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Who needs sleep when you've been dead inside for years edition

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>>51652469
Required Viewing for Newbies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=508-rmdY4jQ
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First for drop it again!
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who needs to know the time when it's always time to feel how pointless and empty your life is?
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I'll ask again here. What are my options for a good dress watch around 150-200 € that's not a Bambino?
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First for chink shit
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>>51665948
Seiko SRP703.
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fuck the nato hipsters
who is rubber master race here?
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>>51666057
>rubber
nice taste faggot
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>>51666057
Find me any other rubber strap than tropical / racing that is at all aesthetical besides isofrane on very specific dive watches.
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>>51666057
I really dislike the Z22 straps for some odd reason.
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>>51666086
>>51666095
i dont care faggots I'm not a tryhard hipster like you
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First for high quality replicas.
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If this only had a domed Crystal its so dreamwatch material!
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>>51666147
Is that you again?
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>>51666113
stop posting that 7002
that non-matching second hand triggers my autism
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>>51666162
>that dial

damn pretty suprising
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Non-shit alternatives to Moebius? The alpine kikes ask more for that stuff than gold!
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>>51666056
>42mm
>black dial
>dress watch
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>>51666145
What's the exact model of this?
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>>51665744
Seiko makes their own, I don't know what the others use.

Seiko is actually a very vertically integrated company, that seems to be a common thing with big Japanese companies. They make their own lubricants, make their own hairsprings all the way from forging the raw material to rolling the final spring, grow their own quartz crystals and I believe also their own rubies. Here's a photo of quartz crystals in an autoclave.

Another company that surprisingly makes their own rubies is Raketa. They were actually founded in 1721 as a jewelry company, when the Soviets told them to start making watches after WWII they were able to produce their own jewels and supplied basically all of them for the Soviet watch industry.
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>>51666056
>Seiko SRP703
My dad knows Seiko for their cheaper models only, so I'd prefer to not give him one or he'll think his son is cheap. Does someone have the old recommendations chart?
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i've posted here before but im prety sure you're mistaking me for someone else
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>>51666162
>>51666386
damnit. was to this guy
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>>51666361
Oh and of course Seiko makes their own batteries too, and lume paint. Also they own Epson, which was also born out of their crazy need to make everything themselves. When Seiko was made the official timekeeper for the 1964 Tokyo Olympics they took it really seriously and developed a whole bunch of quartz stopwatches and wall clocks (at this time quartz clocks were still mostly enormous machines that weighed hundreds of pounds). They also built the little printer attached to the clock which printed out the results, and over time that grew into a whole separate printer company.
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>>51666386
There was some asian guy with expensive photography gear, extensive history on I think some dive watch forum and a bronzo.
Posted once or twice, but I remember.
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>>>/fa/
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>>51666489
>noveau richeau asian photographer
>with fancy watches
Well, Kai from DRTV owns a Panerai
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>>51666601
He also has a speedy on a purple NATO.
But it's not him, he knew how to take decent product images and had a different name.
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why do philosophers wear cheap digital watches?
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>>51666862
Because a philosopher isn't known for being a highly paid position.
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>>51666862
Because being a philosopher isn't a real job. Also Zizek is a dirty commie, like most worthless intellectual parasites.
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>>51666882
>>51666891
Well, that particular guy shouldn't have problems making loads of cash as he is a highly popular one.
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>>51666911
Well so is Stallman, another parasite living off the measly breadcrumbs of others.
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>>51666862
Because Zizek wouldn't support mountain jews
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>>51666488
that espon story is pretty cool
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This gap pisses me off, Wat do?
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Is the owner of the buran with a black dial and light brown leather strap around here?
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>>51667414
My bad, this gap is what I meant.
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>>51667490
tight up the strap
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>>51667532
It's either that or no blood circulation. I guess I'll return the strap. I tested out one with leather on top and rubber under.
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Fuck off
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>>51667563
Punch your own hole when they don't return it.
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>>51667563
One hole isn't gonna stop your blood circulation, fag
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>>51667490
get a watch that fits your tiny-ass pixie wrists or get an incredibly flexible strap
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>>51667604
I was exaggerating. But it's literally either slack or really, really tight. Rubber is shit on straps.>>51667593
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>>51667624
>rubber
why did you even buy a rubber strap that's not an isofrane?
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>>51667676
Because my local watch shop suggested I try it. I can return it.
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I need an opinion: right size for my wirst?
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>>51667849
Looks fine to me. As long as the lugs don't overhang pretty much any watch looks fine.
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>>51666057
>Not buying Bonetto Cinturini

Get on my level, pleb.
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>>51667886
How much does a 5100 speedy go for these days?
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>>51667882
What about this one then? Lugs still Don't overhang. Some days ago another anon dismissed it as too big
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>>51667925
$800 amerifat dollar
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>>51667932
I'd say that it is probably fine on you

but taking a photo so close makes it look a bit bigger on you than it actually is.

so if you want people to tell you if a watch is too big, take the photo further away and zoom/crop as that will give a more realistic impression of how it looks on you irl
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>>51667849
pretty good size
>>51667932
that's not 2 BIG 4 UUUU but it's 2 big for a watch
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>>51667932
That looks fine to me too, but I wear a pretty sizable 44mm watch most of the time. Some people are just salty about their bitch wrists and lament the lack of smaller watches.
>>51667941
Shit, that's much cheaper than I expected, I better start saving.
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>>51667966
I'd do that of i had a less shitty camera in my memephone
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>>51667970
that price in shitty malaysia bro..

this 1 I got for $30
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>>51667849
> Wirst
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my penis quartz..
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>>51668036
Sorry for notte having an english autocorrector in my non english language OS.

Grow up
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>>51668052
Wearing the one on the left today, I'm thinking about getting a fourth.
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>>51668114
There's a lot of penis in this thread
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>>51668141
Think of how many penises this one quartz crystal could make.
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>>51667941

>$800 USD

You let me know where you can find a mark 4.5 ref. 176.0012 Speedmaster with a Lemania 5100 for $800.

I'll wait.

>Amerifat

It's the Canadians in /wt/ who are fat, do try to keep up.
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>>51666147
>Another Seiko on a Hirsch Mariner
>MFW
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>>51668310
in shitty place malaysia
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>>51668310
let's hear about your house and your car now
you know, big boy possessions
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>>51668369
>being new enough in /wt/ to not know the meme
>not having the sense to MURK LOAR

Wew lad.
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Ready up 'em grills, boys
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>>51668369
hello newfriend
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>>51668369
We're all high-class wealthy gentlemen here.
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>>51668433
tell me that's real
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>>51668580
Today's your lucky day:

http://www.littlegriddle.com/GrillTimer-p/wa-01-n.htm
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>>51668580
It is.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/littlegriddle/the-worlds-first-bbq-timing-wristwatch-the-grillti
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>>51668580
It was a kickstarter, but I don't know where to get one now.
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>>51668609
Amazing.
It would be even better if it was one of those thermal powered movements, to keep in with the theme.
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>>51668609
>>51668639
Anon's mind might have just been blown away because of a bbq themed rolex-thingy
>Sauce resistant
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Im thinking about getting a Poljot Buran, I see a couple on ebay for 189 and 225. Are those good prices for them?
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>>51668310
>It's the Canadians in /wt/ who are fat

I resent that generalization, buddy.
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>>51668458
>toyota
>wealthy
kek'd
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>>51666195
I plan to get it replaced at some point.

Need to get either new hands or relumed hands at some point as well.
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anyone here owned a raketa 24 hour watch? how accurate + how often do you need to wind them up?
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These things are so fucking pretentious it hurts
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>>51669385
I know a bit.

Should have a 2603 cal movement, and the power reserve shouldn't be too great (probably winding it up fully once a day).

Accuracy though, is a very hard thing to say.

The one in the pic is was made after the fall of the USSR. Seems original though.
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First for Snoopmaster
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>>51669522
>would would you do

what is the point of this
i keep seeing it

is it an old nasa saying or something
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Sup /wt/.
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>>51669538
This watch is textbook swatch marketing dogshit, or rather the real thing is instead of this shitty fake.
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>>51669552
that's way too big, the bezel is ridiculous
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>>51669552
I want one.
On a slightly related note, I'd also wear a pip-boy if I could
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>>51669552
you almost got me

i clicked the thumbnail
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>>51669522

Such a dogshit fake it actually has a dog ON IT.
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>>51669538
Something about Apollo 13's flight that had to be corrected mid course, using thrusters not planned for that use, which kinda endangered the rest of the mission in return.

Some geek joke.
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Found it on the street with a broken springbar when I was a kid.
Was too large for my wrist at the time.
Spent ~8 years in a drawer.

Been my daily for three years already.

It's ugly as sin and it's inaccurate as fuck.
R8 and recommend me something with similar size and "solid build".

After years of dealing with a mechanical watch I'd rather go with a decent quartz movement.
But all quartz watches are light like they're made of plastic.
Wat do?
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>>51669538
It's a reference to Apollo 13. They had to manually time a really critical 14 second engine burn to put the capsule on course to return to Earth after shit blew up. Failure is not an option is a phrase that nobody at NASA ever actually said but it got associated with them by the Apollo 13 movie, and Snoopy is also a NASA thing. The astronaut crew of a mission can give a Snoopy award to anyone who they think made a major contribution to crew safety or something like that, and Omega was given a Snoopy for giving them the speedmaster.

It's still an ugly cheesy watch, though.
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>>51669552
Does it WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH?
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>>51669566

It's pretty feature rich though.
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>>51669587
There are great quartz watches out there. You just won't find them in a mall. Maybe grab one of the seiko penisquartz for cheap?
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>>51669587
Seiko quartz tuna. Big heavy ugly magnificent watch, comes in 300m or 1000m water resistance and steel or titanium and ceramic.
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>>51669678
>almost 1500 USD
Welp.

Looks awesome I didn't know there's a quartz version of these.
Can't afford it even If I wanted to
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>>51669742
Guess you can try getting one of the King Seiko/King Penis of that gook reed. He sells them on eBay.

Otherwise, get a Seiko Silverwave and start a new meme.
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>>51669742
Buy the soki replica
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>>51669587
Lots of cool quartz out there. I myself am partial to vintage stuff, penisquartz (Lord/King Quartz, QT, QR, QZ models) Citizen JG2000, plenty of other good stuff out there for less than $200.
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>>51669742
what is your budget? do you have any special wishes for the watch?

but really, orient, seiko, citizen, even casio. those all make good modern quartz watches, just look around their catalogs and avoid the absolute cheapest models to get a better build

vintage seiko penisquartzes are good if you want something cool vintage with "prestige" or just really like the design and so on of them
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>>51669742
Not sure where you got that price from.
For reference:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/seiko-tuna-sbbn017-not-even-2-weeks-old-%24675-now-sold-2572962.html
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-seiko-tuna-sbbn015-2627898.html
Though there's cheaper alternatives.
Someone posted some seemingly well built diver quartz that was roughly £150-180.
Not that you asked for a diver specifically, but they tend to be chunkier than other styles.
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What is a good place to buy vintage Shanghai watches? I really like the 1120 and 7120 mechanicals, but hate Ebay with a passion.
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>>51669950
Taobao, /f29/
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>>51669970
>Taobao
Do they have an english portal?
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>>51670006
No, use google translate and an agent.
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Gahd-damn! This is like watching a fingerbox thread.
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>>51670013
what do you mean by an agent?
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>>51670087
There are websites where English-speaking Chinese people will help you find something on taobao and get it shipped to you in exchange for a cut of the price because that site is fucking impossible to navigate if you're not Chinese.
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>>51670109
I had no idea this kind of stuff even existed, thanks for your help mate.
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>>51670121
I'm not the same anon as the first one but no problem. Also I can't recommend any particular agents because I've never actually gone through with buying stuff that way, it seems like a pretty big hassle and you can easily get fucked over and have zero guarantees. I guess if you just want to get a cheap chink watch then you won't lose much if you get fucked, though.
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>>51669552
Ain't nuthin'
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>>51669970
HP dragon for example

Here's a search that might help you
http://forums.watchuseek.com/search.php?searchid=74332049
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Is there a way to add hacking to a watch? Pls no bully
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>>51669937
http://scurfawatches.com/diver-one-stainless-steel.html

SCURFA
C
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F
A
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What are some affordable mechanical ultra-thin watches beside pic related ?
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>>51670227
install gentoo
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>>51669742
see
>>51670232
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>>51668993
Jazzy
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>>51670195
Need to tag the photo

LG Urbane in rose gold with the stock brown leather strap, which i'll be changing for a genuine alligator strap from Vietnam
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>>51670279
What seller for the strap?
VNHandicrafts?
>tfw $40 bagels not sold on ali
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>>51670234
None because everyone insists on making all their cheap mechanical movements have a big fat automatic rotor slapped on, and microrotor automatics are expensive too. HMTs are pretty thin and very cheap but they're literally shit.
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>no megasonic in this dial/case combination for sale anywhere
Suffering.
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>>51670376
Also just for shits, some slow-mo of the movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgjRyfJVKLo
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>>51670376
I want one of those really ugly square marine chronometer ones, they're neat.
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>>51670417
Those are pretty neat too. I'm just enamored with tuning fork movements & smooth sweeps.
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>>51670318
A friend out there
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>>51670558
eyyy
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>>51670558
What modern sweeping seconds quartz movements are there besides the miyota / Bulova 262khz?

>he didn't have it custom made for $35
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>>51670838
Nice f300.
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>>51670878
There are the spring drives (not strictly a 'quartz' movement). There are no modern tuning fork movements (unless I'm mistaken) though.
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>>51666162
wtf is going on here
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>>51670953
Bronze patina taken way too far. That's also a 30 kilobuck (give or take) watch.
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>>51670953
It's why you take your watch off before washing your hands.
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Why the fuck does /g/ have zero taste in watches?
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>>51671011
enlighten us fuccboi
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>>51670953
A functional Antikythera mechanism replica
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>>51671023
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>>51671023
kek
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>>51671011
Why don't you share your superior taste?
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>>51671011
wanna fite me m8
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>>51666147
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>>51670417
>inb4 Apple sues Omega for copying their watch design in the 1970's.
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>>51671243
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>>51671243
>>51671303
How do you make your text look like that? I know how to do the emojis.
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>>51671011
The world may never know
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>>51671011
I disagree and plead my own case, personally I like the explorer but my SO likes the other oyster better on me.
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>>51671322
It's a Datejust not an Oyster you fuckwit
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>>51671336
Oh fuck did I mess up the watch names, oh noooooo.
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>>51671348
>i have amazing taste in watches
>i can't even get the fucking name right
>hurr i have money so i don't have to care

Half of the reason for wearing a nice watch is proving that you're savvy enough to appreciate what it is.
Fucking new money faggots.
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>>51671314
Sorry m8, no idea; that image was made by another anon
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>>51671314
The "T" in the top right.
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GENUINE ARTICLE
BUY NOW
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>>51669522
Stop posting pls
This is the first time in my life I've lusted after a fake
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>>51671578
>TOURBILLON
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>>51671670
>I've lusted after a fake
Pathetic!
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>>51671713
Like your avatarfagging, furball
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>>51671670
It's dogshit, the Seconds subdial isn't even in the right position.
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>>51671745
You don't even know what avatarfagging is.
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>>51671770
Yeah
Why is the actual snoopy speedy so unobtainable? I'd totally save up for it if Omega wasn't such a cunt with these editions
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How much Moebius 9010 and D5 should I obtain? 1, 5 or 15ml? I'm learning watch repair and I'm not sure how much of a supply of oil I'll need. Right now I have like half dozen vintage watches in need of service. Most are Swiss and Soviet, but I got East-German and 70's Chinese standard.
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>>51669678
>Seiko tunas
this is my dream
there was a frequent poster here who had a spring drive one, not sure what happened to him
>>51669587
get an bulova
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>>51668803
Are you really this dumb?

I mean not saying you have to be a brainiac to browse /g/, but what thread can you even comprehend?
Maybe the tard filled browser threads?
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>>51671745
Weeab != avatarfag
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>>51671832
>pic
I had one
It was based
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>>51671575
>chrono chrono chrono chrono chrono diver chrono chrono chrono
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>>51671770
>>51671806
only beccause It uses a generic quartz chrono movement. just wait for the $400 accurate automatic replica
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>>51671965
I'd easily pay $500 for a good snoopy replica.
I'd never bother with a fake speedmaster because they're available, but snoopies are impossible to find; and if you do the seller is gonna seriously jew you
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>>51671806
>Why is the actual snoopy speedy so unobtainable?
Limited edition.
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>>51672064
Yeah I'm saying there's no point in making them limited.
Just sell them at a higher price than the regular speedmaster
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>>51672087
They'll make another one. Buy it then or get a used one. Believe there's a snoopy for sale in WUS right now
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purchasing my first watch. so far i like this one but it seems thick at 39x13mm

thoughts?
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>>51672275
Get a 1963
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Jesus Christ, the number of people in this thread who have fallen for the mountain jew muh moonwatch muh Snoopy marketing sufficiently to not find the Swatch group, special editions, and having a cartoon dog on the fucking dial of your watch repellent is too damn high.
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>>51672275
13mm should be fine. The open heart is pretty cool, nice choice.
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>>51672347
Says the nerd with the cartoon scuba diver on his Wostok dogshit
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>>51671832
Anyone?
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>>51672445

First of all, I don't own a Vostock, and secondly if i did I would not have paid a ridiculous unjustifiable mark-up for the priveledge of wearing a marketing tie in on my wrist like some moronic fanboy with no self-awareness.
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>>51672347
If you use a watch to impress other people you're the one who fallen for the mountain jew
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>>51672610
That's obviously a fake, no one on /g/ can afford a real omega
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>>51672087
Of course there is, they can charge more for it.
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>>51672754
There's a guy here who collects Seamasters and the AT anon has an Aqua Terra he brought on retail for below retail (2K), don't talk shit
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>>51672754
>can't afford a $1,500 watch
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We need more Sinnbros.
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>>51672754
There was someone that posted their urwerk 202 here a while ago. It's not like an omega is especially expensive compared to shit like that.
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>tfw a lock screen is the best clock
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>>51673175
feels bad man
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>>51672580
1.5ml is enough for probably around 100 watches.
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redundant technology thread?

why dont you just strap a fax machine to your back?
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>>51672580
My dick turns to diamonds every time I think of these. Can't wait till they're released.
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>>51672642
>>51672754

Yes, because being so desperate to suck the mountain jew cock that you buy a FAKE marketing tie in wrist bilboard isn't risible in its own right.
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>>51672888

>inb4 >556
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>>51673353
OLAVO DE CARVALHO
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Got babby's first diver in the mail. Did I do bad?
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>>51673377
You did ok but I still think the 007 is the king of cheap divers.
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>>51672888
>Shilling for Sinn
>After Helmut Sinn himself publicly called them out for ripping off customers by overcharging massively

Ayy lmao
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>>51673406
found the damaskobaby

all watches are a ripoff, poorfag
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any /tourbillon/ user here? where should i start if i want a tourbillon watch? i have like 1k to spend, but no idea wath to buy
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>>51673438
>Not understanding the difference between price and value
>Calling people poorfags because you are desperate to distract from Sinn's founder shitting all over them as they go full mountain jew
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who /speidel/ here?
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>>51673524
>>>/pol/

that was easy
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>>51673580
>>>/pol/wt when?
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>>51673608
when these threads become full of le mountain jew meme, moreso

there should be a separate thread for poorfags
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>>51672888
Are those really unscratchable?
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>>51673557
A NATO would be better and probably more comfortable.
For anyone about to complain, the terrorist watch is already ugly as fuck. You use it for the functionality and you wear on a NATO for comfort.
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>>51673834
>anything
>more comfortable than speidel
hahaha oh wow

>inb4 muh arm hair meme
they don't catch your hair and you know it
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>>51673557
Disgusting.
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>>51673557
That looks like dog shit. If you want a metal strap then buy one that comes with one. Props for choosing a sensible watch though.
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>>51673957
>people unironically wear terror watches
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>>51674222
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>>51674222
It's not an F-91W, so no. I wanted a cheap, half decent looking digital that I wouldn't have to worry about fucking up (as you can see by the wear).
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What are some watches that could suit my 6.4 wrist?
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>>51674370
fair enough, but you have no business calling other people's watches dogshit.
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>>51674486
Almost anything 42mm and under. Depending on how flat your wrists are of course. The key thing is that there shouldn't be any lug overhang.
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this actually doesn't look half bad
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>>51673353
>>51673370
PEPSI
USA
FETOS
ABORTADOS
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Hello /wt/! What kind of strap shoukd I get for my new vostok?
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>>51674616
perlon
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resize your fucking images you gigantic faggots
not everyone has a 4k monitor
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>>51674929
>he doesn't have a 4k monitor
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>>51665958
dogshit

>>51665983
excellence mixed with meh fashion watch

>>51666057
Don't care for rubber but nice timepiece family

>>51666145
tired of your "high quality" replicas. "high quality" == dogshit
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>>51674941
i like this better
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>>51673405
they're even better if you upgrade the bracelet
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>>51674963
>"high quality" == dogshit
so, everything is dogshit except middling quality?
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>>51674999
Read his fucking post. He says "high quality replicas". I am implying that he should really replace the phrase "high quality" with "dogshit"
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>>51675172
Dogshit_Homage.jpg
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>>51675186
>Homage
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>>51675202
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>>51675464
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I'm shitposting in bed and can hear this fucker ticking away on the kitchen table.
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>>51671447
very nice collection
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So I just got my first automatic.

Uses the Miyota 8245 movement.

When I bring my wrist up or move it from side to side I hear what sounds like a rattle.

Is that normal?

I've had the watch for a few hours and it seems to be keeping time properly. Also the watch itself looks new from the outside.

The watch was constructed after 2010. It's a maratec pilot.

Is this type of noise normal for the Miyota movements?
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>>51666162
You mean me? No, that wasn't me
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>>51676283
That's the rotor. I don't have one but I hear they are rather on the noisy side.
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>>51676311

Okay. What should I listen or look for to make sure the watch is working properly?

Like I said, it does seem to be keeping time for the first few hours that I've had it.
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>>51676336
if it stops keeping time right you'll know there's something wrong.
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>>51676336
Just wear it, don't worry.
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>>51676283
Might be that the rotor only winds in one direction, so you're hearing it freely spin in the other. The miyota 9015 I have works that way, so I'm just assuming the 8245 does too.
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>>51676407

It does spin in one direction from what I read.

>>51676347

That's the plan for now
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>>51674993
That's a super oyster in the photo. That's the one flaw I forgot about the 007, the trash bracelet it comes on.
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Ive been saving up for a while, have about $8,000 in the bank to spend. Im looking to buy a nice watch, and ever since a kid, the no date submariner has always caught my attention. Should i go for it? What other nice watches are there in this price range? Not my picture, by the way.
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>>51671389

>I'm a butthurt poorfag

Technically, the datejust is in the oyster family, so he wasn't entirely inaccurate.
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Thought /wtg/ would like my 40-year old clock, interesting story behind it too
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>>51676610
>What other nice watches are there in this price range?
Snow Frake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycKEP3wqv-o
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>>51676610
buy a motorcycle and some gear fag. You'll get more dick than having a nice watch.
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>>51676610
Do it but for the love of god get a 14060 or something and not a maxicase ceramic ROLEXROLEXROLEX wall of text.
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