>2013
>780 is released for $500
>290 is released for $400, beats 780 by ~6%
>290x is released for $550
>780 Ti is released for $700, beats 290x by ~11%
>2015
>Newest drivers out
>290 beats 780 by ~16%
>290x beats 780 Ti by ~5%
And? This is a well established trend.
Seen this for a long time. No one realises it
>nvidiots
Well that's good for AMD users.
>6970 released in 2011
>support abandoned
>gtx 480 released in 2010
>getting dx12
>>51572697
0/10.
Even Maxwell doesn't properly support DX12.
>have to wait 2 years to get the full performance of a $500 piece of hardware
hilarious how much mental gymnastics amdrones do to do justify their purchases
>>51572702
Hawaii only supports 12_0
Only Maxwell/Fiji supports 12_1
Not like it matters because Hawaii chips are too weak to play on ultra anyways.
>>51572697
>housefire getting dx12 support
made me kek
AAAAAYO YO SO YO-
*installs one year old driver*
SO YO ASS TELLING ME NVIDI-
*mouse cursor corrupts*
AITE AITE SO YO MOTAFUCL-
*buys 1700w psu*
YO PHAT ASS BETTEE NOT BE TEL-
*cranks open window*
THAT NVIDIA WIT-
*orders fire extinguisher with prime shipping*
AIGHT AIGHT SO THAT DRIVE-
*turns gpu fan to 100%"
DEZ MOFUCK NVID-
*waits for ccc to install*
U BE TEELING ME DA GTX
*turns down tessellation*
YO AIGHT AIGHT THAT GEFORCE
*shitposts about gameworks*
HOL' UP
*buys aftermarket cooler*
YOU FINNA SAY
*manually disables visual effects*
YO BITCH ASS TRYNA
*buys another case fan*
NVIDIA GONNA
*buys a UPS*
FINNA ADD
*crosses fingers that the game doesn't crash*
SOME BITCH ASS
*googles what is best driver version*
GRAPHICAL FEATURES???????
*shitposts about hairworks*
The thing that most people don't realise is that nvidia has launched a whole new architecture with a whole new product stack since then. AMD barely managed to launch two fiji based GPUs a couple of months ago. The rest of their line-up is just rebrands or similar GPUs based on the same architecture as the 290x. So when they optimise the drivers for the 390x, they automatically do the same for the 290/x. It's almost no extra effort or extra funds.
I don't want to sound like an nvidia apologist, since they probably have triple the r&d budget of amd, but let's not lie to ourselves. Amd would do the same if they could afford a new architecture each year.
>>51572741
I can't tell if you agree with me or not, but I really hate your post.
In the past couple of years NVs market share skyrocketed. It can't be all just new people getting into PC gaming. So a large portion of new customers are AMD users who switched because they were unhappy in one way or another. And since the domination of the market has only been increasing, they must now be still happy with what NV is offering.
But how? If AMD is really so much better as /g/ claims, why is this happening? Can't be all just marketing since we are talking about people who experienced both sides first hand.
Maybe, maybe there is more to hardware then raw benchmarks. Think about that fellow autists, it applies to more than graphics cards
>>51572781
>I don't want to sound like an nvidia apologist
You are. AMD cards from 2013 are literally faster than Maxwell, and people still actually wasted money on it.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5775/amd-hd-2000-hd-3000-hd-4000-gpus-being-moved-to-legacy-status-in-may
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9815/amd-moves-pre-gcn-gpus-to-legacy
AMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>51572431
> And? This is a well established trend.
yup. tho, half if it is because nvidya released c-u-c-k drivers to fuck over their older cards... namely all the Kelper cards, which the 780 is part of.
Fury & Tonga doesn't even support Feature Level 12_1, future games won't even run on current GCN junk just like SM 3.0 games didn't run on your 9700 & 9800 SM2.0 junk
AMDPOORFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>51572839
>c-u-c-k
Fuck off with your stupid meme.
>>51572741
lmao
>>51572815
>people still actually wasted money on it
Wouldn't the people buying 3 year old rebrands be the ones wasting money?
Think about it. Nvidia cost less actually and comes with free games and drivers.
>>51572781
The Fury X launched with the 980 Ti beating it by ~8%. Now it pulls even at sub 4K resolutions. At 4K, the Fury X beats the 980 Ti by ~5%.
AMD GPUs simply age better. I currently have a 970, and I'm pretty much waiting for it to be neutered when the 1000 series or whatever they want to call it comes out.
>>51572916
False, GTX 980 Ti is faster than Fury X at 4K and 1440P
>>51572815
Of course they are you retard, they took old flagship GPUs, rebranded them and made them cheaper to fit in competitively. Nvidia on the other hand made new GPUs to fit in their product stack even if they didn't need to. AMD has to optimise for three revisions of the same architecture and 10 GPUs, Nvidia has to optimise for three architecture and at least 20 GPUs. But they don't.
>>51572947
Not really, it's unfair to compare a non reference 980 ti with a Fury X because the Fury can't overclock.
AMD abandons driver support in 4/5 years
Nvidia gets better with every new driver release for 10 years
http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/94790/en-us
http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/94794/en-us
GF 8/9/100/200/300 fully supported even in Win10, AMD doesn't even support HD2000/3000/4000 in Win10
Don't be fooled by AMDPOORFAGs, you'll pay more in the end
>>51572947
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk.
Good for you.
So when is support for GameWorks, PhysX, Shadowplay, CSAA/TXAA/MFAA coming out? :^)
>>51572970
>>51573008
TPU is wrong, simple as that
You see any reviews the GTX 980 Ti is fastest
>>51572976
It's all thanks to servers. Nvidia dominates the professional market and professionals need long term support, thus the long term support trickle down to the consumer market.
Firepro cards died five years ago so AMD doesn't give a fuck about long term support. And as the other anon said the only reason why the 200 series improved is because they've been rebranding it for the past four years.
>>51573015
New AMD drivers came out faggot. This was their latest review.
>>51572996
HD4000 series doesn't even support Windows 7. You need fucking Vista to use it. It was released in 2008 and AMD gave up on it in 2010.
>>51572970
>they're in the same price range
>it's unfair to compare them
This might be the most retarded post in this thread.
>>51572970
even as someone who generally defends amd, i have to say that the fact that a 980 ti /can/ overclock, and by a fairly considerable margin at that, makes it superior to the fury x. and not just the factory superclocked cards. ANY 980 ti can obtain a decent overclock, while the fury x simply cannot.
the fury x is a nice demo of what hbm can bring to the table, and it would have been a nice card at its given price point had the 980ti never existed.
but it does, and it shit all over the fury x's cheerios.
>>51573095
Nice try jen
>>51573095
>but it does, and it shit all over the fury x's cheerios.
shits all over nvidia's higher end customers also
>>51573095
The 980Ti is the only NVIDIA card worth getting if you have the cash.
Everything else from NVIDIA is BTFO by AMD both price and performance wise, especially over the long run (2xx series).
>>51573012
Never.
>>51573155
i didnt say everything nvidia is better.
i have an amd card, (hd7870ghz i bought ~3 years ago) and for the past 7 years that ive wanted to build a gaming pc and kept up with the latest releases and news, ive always thought amd was the better value for my modest hypothetical budget.
but the 780 ti wins, hands down, and thats just the way it is. and its not a bullshit hollow victory like the overpriced titans of yore or even the dual gpu cards that cost more than two separate cards with better coolers from amd. it simply is the better choice if you can afford it.
Wrong, everything Nvidia is better
Lower power consumption, lower heat output, low noise, better performance, better feature set and won't be abandoned in 4/5 years like HD4000 or HD5000/HD6000
Imma hijack this thread real quick because I'm out of the loop.
When are new GPUs expected to hit the market?
>>51572741
>>51573343
Next year Q2.
>>51573260
5 years is a fucking lifetime in tech terms. Just ordered a 970 kekcard, but I don't give a shit if it's not getting updates in the time it takes to finish a law degree
>>51573383
i dont think itll last quite 4 years. maybe around 6 months short.
>>51573383
A 480 from 5 years ago still performs on par with the best selling $130 poorfags graphics card today.
I have a 470 and it plays EVERYTHING 1080p on low settings 60fps+
But I don't use it anymore and gave it to younger family members and I hope the do the same with my 980 ti down the road. This wouldn't be possible if I bought an AMD card.
>>51573569
I have a 570 and it plays everything 1080p 45+ fps maxed except for around 5 titles, without any OC, for reference. That said, AMD is probably going to be the right choice starting in 2016.
>>51573260
4-5 years is the right horizon: if you use your card for real, that's around the time it dies. If you don't use your card for real, you don't really care that 5 years down the line you don't have any driver updates.
>>51572741
>>51573591
Nah
980 ti: 6 tflop
fury x: 8 tflop
pascal: 18 tflop
pascal ti: probably 25+
>>51572697
The 6970 was released in 2010. And Fermi is never getting DX12, don't kid yourself. Nvidia promised it months ago, haven't delivered it and have said nothing about it since. Just another piece of marketing for the fanboys to swallow and then forget about.
The idea that it would even mean or be worth anything is ludicrous in itself. You aren't playing DX12 games with fancy new effects enabled on a fucking 480 at playable framerates.
>>51574056
This
It's not like my old 5850 stopped working the second new drivers didn't explicitly support it. It's still doing it's time in my brother's computer and I doubt games will go fully dx12 only for a while. Ashes of Singularity for example has a dx11 renderer as well I think.
>>51574155
>Please hold on 5770chan, just a few more months and you can retire in peace!
>Anon s-senpai, I d-don't think I'm gonna make i-it... *Cough* *Cough*
>Please! 5770chan! You can do it! You will always be my GPUfu, forever. Please live for me, 5770chan! I-I am proud of you!
>>51574415
>fu
>>>/reddit/
>>51574056
The point wasn't about DX12 but how Nvidia is dedicated to after sales support.
Also the support spans all across the Fermi line, including the 590, which is still more powerful than a 7970/280x.
>>51574155
All it takes is one compatibility issue and it'll begin to snowball on itself. The least they could do is "hey we aren't optimizing for you anymore, but let us know if anything doesn't work and we'll give it a fix"
No, they outright left you guys out in the cold. "Buy a new gpu FAGGOT."
should I get a 380x 4gb or 960 4gb
>>51574503
The fermi line isn't supported past the 314.x drivers with nvidia.
>>51574533
If it's between the 380X (not the 380) and the 960 then the 380X for sure.
>>51572741
Actually this is me, but with a 770. I literally installed old drivers, cause new ones had my GPU stuck at max clock speed and had some LoD issues. Also bought an aftermarket cooler because its hot and loud as fuck (ASUS). Then had to get new PSU - this 770 consumes more than a 380 and is slower. I also have to turn down every Nvidia effect because it abolishes performance.
>>51573095
What is it with Indians and defecation?
>>51574415
And that night AMD eliminated support for the entire 5000 series.
Anon stayed faithful to his AMD card and never installed any new software again.
-Scene change to Nvidia household-
>awwwwwwww 480chan I luv u *smooch*
>"eww get off me baka when are you gonna buy a new gpu"
>c'mon it's been five years don't be embarrassed *hugs*
>*sizzling noises* *whacky scream* camera pans away
>>51574533
380x, its like 20% more powerful.
>>51574601
POO
>>51573057
>HD4000 series doesn't even support Windows 7.
This is a lie. My work machine had a 4850 on it with Windows 7.
>>51573057
What other things are you going to add to the list of things that aren't true?
>>51574660
Nope. Check the guru3d modded drivers forum. You need community fixed drivers to get basic functionality.
>>51574695
LOO
>>51574581
Do you know which driver version you installed?
I would like to test it out a bit for some newer games that I've been having trouble running at a decent framerate.
Sapphire 390X for $389 or EVGA 970 for $289? Can always step up the 970 for a 980ti in a few monts for $300 or so.
will amd ever make top tier cards that don't use retard hueg amounts of power
>>51575339
EVGA step up is god tier, go with that route.
>>51575364
6 years ago it was the other way around.
>>51575364
That's a solid maybe.
I wish AMD had the R&D budget of Intel. They have done some wizard shit with a tiny budget.
CPUs are at such performance levels I'll buy Zen just because who gives at fuck either way. AMD GPUs compete just fine on every level except top tier overclocked.
>>51575369
Question. If I buy a $320 or something 970 with a backplate does the step up value for the card stay at $320?
>>51573591
Still using a 560ti here, haven't tried any new new games because life and backlog, but she's still doing her job.
I feel like I can hold out for Pascal.
>>51574415
>>51574612
>tfw my 4870 is dead
at least the fan works
>tfw my 6870 is still working
but the fan doesn't work
actually this gets me thinking...
>>51575801
DO IT.
FOR LITTLE SISTER.
>>51572697
brah, if you think they're still optimising drivers for a 480, you're delusional. including a string for the hardware id is all. this can be done on ancient ati cards as well.
>>51576305
Better than nothing. Having some sort of warranty against major bugs is better than knowing your product is officially abandoned and they are under zero obligation to fix any future issues.
>>51576402
PLACEBO
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>>51573670
None of this matters.
None of it fucking matters.
PCIe x16 3.0 is gonna botteneck the fuck out of Pascal.
>>51575369
>EVGA step up
Can I use it to step up to Pascal if it turns out to be a fucking monster?
>>51572697
>maxwell
>dx12
lol woops
you fucked up
>>51577906
You really think so? I've heard of the bottleneck boogey monster before and it never seems to work out that way.
Wouldn't they come up with some work around or a new interface before it becomes a big issue?
>>51577953
If you buy Maxwell within 3 months of release, yeah. Don't step up to anything cheaper than what you paid for, you won't get any money back.
Buy a Maxwell in say, mid March 2016 to be safe.
>>51578036
Whats the estimate for pascals release?
Also with step-up you can only get a reference card right?
>>51578036
Oh well I bought my Maxwell last week.
>>51578444
Someone said Q2 2016 earlier but you should probably google it for something more reliable.
>>51578020
Nvidia is working on a new interface because of PCIE's limitations - NVlink. The thing /g/ doesn't understand is NVlink is not for consumers - its aimed at servers and other massive computing clusters.
>>51578852
This.
Pascal is going to be a 5-10% performance boost, and we're going to go through the motions like always. The stuff that makes Pascal look like it's some massive step up is all for workstations and supercomputers.
This all changes with Maxwell OP. The new architecture will enable nvidia to keep up with or outperform amds driver updates.
>>51579209
>This all changes with Kepler OP. The new architecture will enable nvidia to keep up with or outperform amds driver updates.
>This all changes with Maxwell OP. The new architecture will enable nvidia to keep up with or outperform amds driver updates.
>This all changes with Pascal OP. The new architecture will enable nvidia to keep up with or outperform amds driver updates.
>This all changes with Volta OP. The new architecture will enable nvidia to keep up with or outperform amds driver updates.
>>51576402
your product is officially abandoned you fuckwit. you think they have a team dedicated to working on five+ year old cards that don't generate them any revenue anymore? lmfao a card that old is out of warranty they won't fix anything with it anymore.
>>51579741
uh no lol. five years ago everybody bought EVGA cards which had lifetime warranties.
if my 480 died today i can rma it and get a maxwell equivalent. from googling it looks like evga is giving 960 or 970 as replacements.
oh and the warranties transfer too, that means i'll be one of the few lucky owners of a lifetime warranty 960/970. it also means i will be guaranteed a working graphics card until evga goes bankrupt.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-Nvidia-128-Bit-PCI-E-Graphics/dp/B00SL2TQ2C/ref=lp_430500031_1_14?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1448745640&sr=1-14
http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-R7-370-Gaming-Graphics/dp/B00ZPOCUAO/ref=lp_430500031_1_23?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1448745640&sr=1-23
HEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLP, WHICH DO I GET
>>51579864
>buy GPU once
>get free lifetime GPUs henceforth
Not how it works, tard.
>>51579967
The 960 is a lot faster which is not surprising, the 960 competes against a 380, not a 370. I would prefer to spend that tad bit more over the 960 and get a 4gb 380 as it is faster.
>>51579864
If your GPU gets old just run it at 100% until it dies then get an RMA new generation
>>51572415
This just shows that AMD can produce very good hardware, but lacks the support staff necessary to push out drivers that well utilize their hardware.
Southern Islands to Sea Islands saw some pretty big architectural changes. Then again from Sea Islands to Volcanic Islands a whole host of new features were added, and older features were replaced with new more efficient ones.
Part of the issue lies in how AMD rolls out their new arch. They keep releasing these half featured transition GPUs like the Radeon 7790s, and R9 285. These are by definition part of the new generation, but don't have everything implemented in hardware.
Maybe they're trying to do a rolling phase in of the arch into their drivers, but it doesn't seem to be working.
Fiji GPUs are getting huge performance uplifts months after release that should have been there in the first place, and thats probably going to continue over the next year. The Fury GPUs will get more and more powerful as far as the end user in concerned. Thats great, but it should have been there at launch.
>>51579864
holy shit you're a retard
>>51580406
>This just shows that AMD can produce very good hardware
For raw compute - which isn't a complete picture of gpu power, but a good one - AMD's hardware is significantly faster than Nvidia's. AMD are so massively hamstrung by their software that if they ever had as refined drivers as Nvidia for some tasks a 290x would rival a 980ti (both are close for compute values).
Side note: that is why AMD listed the 295x2 as the most powerful gpu in the world - for raw compute it was (and iirc still is).
The flipside is the second Nvidia stops optimising drivers for one of their gpus performance takes a hit - GCN cards 9since from crimson onwards VLIW is on legacy support) just keep brute forcing it.
So reading this thread is telling me I should get an r9 390 over a GTX 970.
Sounds like a lot of AMD owners here, do you really experience that much trouble with crashes/overheating?
>>51580512
As a 290x owner, no. My drivers do not crash at stock (in fact i've NEVER had a stock crash) - the only crashes I have have been the result of overclocking.
Overheating? Not a chance on my tri-x (and now its an impossibility since I replaced the cooler).
>>51580312
Do you have experience with purposefully killing graphics cards for RMA purposes? The store I bought my card from has been jewing me lately and I want them to replace my gpu.
How do I kill my videocard without leaving traces of me killing the card on purpose?
I've been thinking of heavily overvolting and overclocking but im afraid of damaging my other components
>>51580612
Depending on what sort of stickers your card has, rip the shroud off and bake it. Claim it died from overheating.
(Most shrouds are made of plastic and will melt yo)
>>51580569
I mostly play older games, with mods to make them pretty, think I'll be OK with a 390?
And how does the 290x compare to the 390?
>>51580687
The 290x will always be that hair faster due to having more stream processors (around 300 more) but ultimately hawaii cards are generally tired by best cooler to worst cooler because overclocking them is no joke if you are going for a fairly high overclock.
Out of the box most 390's are roughly on par with a reference 290x, but the good 290x models pull ahead (which is essentially what a 390x is).
>>51580664
Thanks senpai
>>51580209
Thanks for the advice friend
>>51572415
Is GCN literally the most future proof arch known to man? 4 years later and nvidia still can't come up with something better B^)
>>51580966
>tahiti
GOAT architecture, though hawaii is looking to dethrone it soon.
Kepler? Who?
>>51580735
Nice thanks bb ;)
When are we supposed to see these price drops that were talked about on both sides? Closer to the holidays?
>>51572741
kek thanks for the giggle
>390 arrives tomorrow
>got a shitty 550W PSU
>got a tower straight out of 2002
Got the fire department on speed dial.
>>51581044
Whilst the swathe of cheap 290s (~£220) earlier this year were great, I don't think they'll be as long lasting as Tahiti is. Next year's new generation should be a huge improvement across the board and Hawaii is probably going to be to big and hot to be marketable then. Especially as AMD is going to push efficiency as their new buzzword like everyone else is currently.
>>51581559
>you actually believe the shitposters claims on this shit site
LOL why haven't you installed gentoo yet faggot?
>>51581761
Well yeah, but nobody markets their old products if they can help it. Hawaii - like tahiti - is aging like fine wine and a decent overclock on both will see them through yet another generation of gpus as their ideal resolutions (1080p and 1440p respectively).
At least hawaii hasn't bee dropped like a hot potato in favour of fiji like maxwell has in favour of kepler.
>QUESTION
I'm about to install my R9 390 upgrading from my 7870.
Apparently they use the same drivers, will I need to reinstall them or do I just pop in the new card and hope it plays?
>>51581559
>When are we supposed to see these price drops that were talked about on both sides
My roommate just bought an EVGA 980Ti SSC for $580 two nights ago. You missed it.
>>51581860
Well fuck. I may just look for a used GTX 670 and SLI mine then. Having trouble running a 4k display @60Hz with multiple monitors.
>>51581911
>670 sli
>4k
o i am laffin'
So, we all know Gameworks is nothing but a massive resource hog that adds barely anything to the game but what about AMDs version?
>>51582087
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/07/nvidia-apologizes-for-poor-geforce-performance-in-tomb-raider
>AMD fucked with several games using their gaming evolved bullshit
>pissed Nvidia off
>Thus the birth of Gameworks and the decline into 18% marketshare
>>51582087
Same, it just happens that Nvidia's architecture has the hardware it needs to run the features while AMD's doesn't, call it luck if you want or AMD's goodness (which it really isn't) but Nvidia's move to add dedicated hardware to do some features was a smart move if you consider that the same hardware can be used for other stuff too like VR features, not to mention that they are now moving to power efficiency which is the right move once again, they already control the Desktop market and a big share of the mobile market in the incoming years gaming laptops will stop being a mere meme and be actually good alternatives to desktops, that new full GTX 980 chipset for laptops already shows what Nvidia was aiming with Maxwell.
In others worlds what AMD can Nvidia can, what Nvidia can AMD can't.
Can someone tell me why a card of the 290's caliber is a mere $200 right now?
Seems like a pretty insane price.
>>51582277
Shifting old stock is my guess.
>>51582296
It's too bad I have a 500w corsair & 4690k, else I'd definitely buy it.
>>51581959
Hey 1 card manages to run a 144Hz display @120Hz and a 60Hz 4k display @30Hz pretty decently. One display always goes out if I try to increase the refresh rate on either one.
Would SLI not help at all?
>>51573008
The only nice thing about the fury x is the crossfire scaling, but seeing as most people don't have that much of a budget, nvidia is the way to go. I'm running a strix 970 here, and I'm not even sure if my pc is on, it's too fucking silent, even after 2 hours of dead rising 3 (which is one of my favorite games ever) the card never goes above 60°C, with passive cooling.
>>51582364
>Hey 1 card manages to run a 144Hz display @120Hz and a 60Hz 4k display @30Hz pretty decently.
On low maybe - the real issue of the 670 (sli or not) is 2gb vram limit - its what is hurting the 770 vs the 7970 for example.
>>51582351
Don't care to upgrade that PSU anon?
Is there a good reason to upgrade from a 7970 yet for 1080p /g/? Would a cheap 290 be a good upgrade or should I wait on fiji to mature a bit? The fury series seems really lackluster for the price
Almost tempted to buy a 290 for cheap with the garbage leafblower fan to rip it out and ziptie 2-3 nice case fans to it for OCing
>>51572741
9/11
>>51582571
>upgrading from Tahiti right now
>>51582571
7970ghz -> 290x = 40-50% increase. My rule of thumb is double performance or gtfo, which means a fury x or nothing right now.
http://www.techspot.com/article/942-five-generations-amd-radeon-graphics-compared/
>>51582647
>>51582687
thx m8s I'll take that as a no, pretty much every game still runs fine on it at high settings
will try again next year
>>51582410
isn't dx12 supposed to unify the ram?
thus he'd have 4gb vram instead of just 2gb shared...
>>51582687
Thank you, this was extremely useful.
I'm running 2 modestly overclocked 6950s and have kept putting off upgrading.
>>51582712
It supports it (so does mantle...) but good luck expecting any dev to implement it as it isn't a required feature of DX12.
nvidia has better minimum frames than amd
thats why i buy it
>>51582712
DX12 doesn't unify RAM size between cards, but it makes it possible if and only if the game dev implemented the option at all.
Most devs are lazy fucks, so we'll probably never see that happening when DX12 goes mainstream. Their excuse will be
>most gamers don't have more than one card
>we wanted to streamline the development time to bring this game to the market sooner
>we feel that joining RAM would be a detriment to the game's performance
>we're saving that feature for when we really need it
>we're too high on cocaine and heroin to answer any questions
>>51583162
I always go for a single card so I don't have to deal with SLI/crossfire or having to buy a mobo with 2 PCIEx16 slots.
The only compelling reason for me to go SLI/crossfire is if VR benefits heavily from it without any issues. In which case I'll go for a single card with 2GPUs on it like the 295x
>>51583249
>having to buy a mobo with 2 PCIEx16 slots.
Pretty much every single mainstream mobo has at least two PCIEx16 slots.
>I'll go for a single card with 2GPUs on it like the 295x
You would probably get better results by getting a second card. If you have two graphics cards, then you have no excuse but to watercool the balls off of them.
>>51579144
>>51577906
>>51578852
If there is a significant performance increase in user end graphics, MOBO manufacturers will add in NVlink to their products.
This is simple economics.
>>51583162
DX12 also allows - but only oxide has even attempted it - mixing of GPUs for multi-gpu setups.
Oxide doesn't even officially support it- it was part of a build they gave to anandtech.
>>51583351
They really won't - NVlink is meant for systems with 4+ gpus saturating pcie. Well over 99% of consumers do not do that. Plus god knows what sort of restrictions Nvidia will put on the software side of things - mostly likely only allowing throughput on quadros drivers and/or CUDA workloads.
>>51583385
So if its not going to be bottle necked its not going to be bottle necked.
>>51583474
For one or two cards? Not a chance.
>>51583514
Well there are anons who are claming pci 16 3.0 will be with 1 or two.
>>51583354
I have a sneaking suspicion that vanilla Crossfire Fury Xs will scale much better than the Fury X+ 980Ti.
>>51583591
Such anons are pulling said claims from their postierier with a shovel and a mining permit. The 10x figure Huang claimed was entirely related to enterprise and Nvlink.
>>51583598
Depends on workload - for certain tasks maxwell is a lot faster than GCN (and equally vice versa GCN is a lot faster than maxwell for others). The only real conclusion one could possibly draw from those charts is the higher compute ability of GCN allows it to feed a maxwell card well enough in ashes.
NVIDIA fangays rly have 5yo cards? And whos poorfag here...
>>51583626
Oh, i very much know they are full of shit.
My premise is that if there was a bottle neck, they would add NVlink to consumer mobos.
>>51572415
I like knowing this secret and not caring what nvidiots do with their parents hard earned cash.
>>51572415
Who cares tho?
Am I really the only one who just casually games a bit and doesn't want a tripple X super gaydeon 390?
Efficiency and silent fans are way more important to me than 10fps more with built in housefires but I'm not a gaymer either.
>also those hackintosh drivers for AMD
>>51572741
nvidiots btfo
>>51583844
>he uses a noun as a verb
>he literally can't write a single sentence straight
>he's surprised when everyone laughs at him
So how powerful is my windforce 7950 compared to current gen? will probably buy a new card when 14nm hits
>>51583876
uh.....what?
Try writing a coherent sentence and people might get what you're saying
>>51583688
I'd rather have an improved version of PCIE or new standard that does not lock you to a specific vendor.
I imagine it would be a massive pain if both AMD and NVidia start using different slots. Because by then if you wish to change to a GPU from a different vendor for whatever reason you will have to replace your motherboard.
Hardware will become too fragmented, I doubt this will happen.
7970 owner here. Probably my most infuriating experience with AMD is how any drivers after 13 completely kill my triple head eyefinity setup. For some stupid reason, as soon as I update to 14 or 15, I can only activate 2/3 monitors. Revert back to 13, works fine.
I raged hard at some forum users parroting shit tier tech support stuff like "well what connections are you using? Oh you use 2 DVI and a DP? Gotta make sure that it's an active DP adapter". Are you fucking shitting me? Logic is not your strong suit, I see. Maximum kek
>>51582265
>AMD's goodness (which it really isn't)
You're absolutely right, it's just luck that hairworks is a black box while tressfx is open source. It's luck that gsync locks out all others while freesync is an industry standard. I could go on but there's a pattern here.
I'm not a fanboy, nvidia make some great products but they most certainly do not have the consumer in mind.
>>51583626
What I'm saying (and you don't seem to understand) is that Pascal's huge jump in performance isn't for consumer-level GPUs.
But at least you can find a way to feel superior without a shred of reading comprehension.
Tell me anons how did I do?
Upgrading from a 7750
>>51584471
Shit my bad
http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=14-131-673
I wonder how much of a hassle it is to upgrade from an Nvidia card to an AMD card when it comes to wiping the old Nvidia drivers. I've never had to do it before but I'm getting kind of tired of Nvidia's shit.
>>51584491
Decent, PowerColor definitely isn't the best but good enough for most.
>>51584821
Don't sweat it, just swap cards. Wangblows will sort it out.
>>51584821
Upgraded from a GTX 560 to R9 380, not a single problem. I uninstalled the Nvidia drivers first, before putting in the 380.
>>51584830
It was either that or the Asus 2GB 380
>>51584853
It doesn't tho, I got some major issues(stuttering everywhere, games crashed my system into black screen and reboot) when I didn't uninstall nvidia shit first, I even thought new card was broken.
Then I uninstalled everything "nvidia" through control panel -> apps or whatever its called and all was good.
>>51572741
I'd like to see this play out in a gif.
>>51584179
>gsync locks out all others while freesync is an industry standard
So Nvidia cards work with freesync?
>>51585264
Yes.
>>51572839
>because nvidya released c-u-c-k drivers to fuck over their older cards... namely all the Kelper cards, which the 780 is part of.
No they didn't. Give credit where it is due, you fucking faggot, AMD is not a bad brand, and whilst Nvidia is terrible, they wouldn't resort to something that low.
Proof:
http://www.bytemedev.com/the-gtx-780-ti-sli-end-of-life-driver-performance-analysis/
http://www.eteknix.com/examining-nvidias-driver-progress-since-launch-drivers-gtx-780-ti-gtx-680/
>>51585034
>>51585195
Good to know, I remember when it was recommended to go to safe mode and do more thorough work to get rid of old drivers.
>AMD hypes new Radeon drivers "Crimson"
>literally just s/catalyst/radeon/g
>they fixed a decade old mouse corruption bug
>performance regressions
No drivers is real.
>>51572697
>implying DX12 implementation can be done purely in software
XD
>>51572741
LOL
Literally LOL, and not in the ironic "literally" sense either.
>>51572697
>480
>>51572741
MY SIDES
>>51572702
>>51572730
>>51574056
>>51576305
>>51577984
>>51586124
>>51586226
BUTTHURT AMDPOORFAGS
>>51586306
okay m8
>>51572697
>Being so poor that you have a gtx480
I like how the r9 390 is cheaper than the GTX 970, and better.
>>51586360
A single 980 ti may have beaten a single fury x, even at 4k, but in crossfire the fury x usually beat sli 980 ti.
And now that crimson is here, I'm curious how the fury x is holding up against the 980 ti.
>>51572720
Maxwell supports Resource Binding Tier 2, Hawaii Tier 3
And we still don't know if Nvidia isn't lying about 12_1 support like they did with DX 11 support
>>51572915
>Think about it. Nvidia cost less actually and comes with free games and drivers.
>crippled games
>drivers that kill your cards
Sounds like a sound reasoning
>>51586863
I'm going to be getting one of those two cards on the first of next month, still undecided if I want to deal with the 390s power usage. Is the 390x worth the extra $100 or so?
>>51572852
Feature Level 12_1 is literally the least important thing from DX12
The importance of it has nothing to do with the importance of SM 3.0 support back then
>>51574707
You don't, those modded drivers are for people who wanted to have newer versions of CCC, or supposedly better performance
Windows 7 ships with drivers that work down to R500 stuff
>>51573260
>better feature set and won't be abandoned in 4/5 years
Nvidia literally abandoned Kepler cards
>>51587554
No, the 390x definitely isn't $100 better than the 390.
>>51572804
AMD is better on paper. Their theoretical performance/price is amazing.
In game, however, nvidia tends to do a lot better. Either lazy game devs, nvidia gameworks shilling, or shitty amd drivers.
>>51587554
390 uses maybe 30-50w more on average, iirc.
It's only a massive difference during stress and torture tests.
>>51579967
get a 280x instead. its near 380 performance, but its going to be a lot cheaper.
>>51587554
The r9 390 isn't a whole lot better and honestly not worth it, but if you're willing to spend an extra 100$, just get a GTX 980. I love both Nvidia and AMD and hope to work for one of them in the future.
>>51587652
Can get used 7950 on amazon for $90, saphire.
Worth it?
>>51583354
>using both nvidia and amd cards at the same time
Gentlemen, the prophecy was real.
>>51587679
>used
kinda iffy...
>>51586888
The first card to break the 100° C hotspot was Titan X
damn it feels good to have a 290x
it's like a fine wine.
Quick question
Does crimson contain the 15.11.1 beta driver in it?
>tfw the final drivers for my 6950
>tfw she stills pulls decent framerates at 1080p for a 2010 card
hold me ;_;
>>51587695
I know, but at that price, it's a bit hard to say no.
380 for $180, or 7950 for $90?
>>51575801
>tfw 6850 shat itself last week after years of great service
Fan works, GPU powers, but BIOS doesn't communicate with anything. Feel it got corrupted, so might dry for flashing if I can find another 6850 BIOS lying around.
>>51587743
No sorry anon.
the 250 O.C is also discontinued on new drivers
hence is why i'm on a 380 4gb that 10% gain was nice on crimson drivers
Crimson pisses me off. They removed a bunch of options in the interface to make it 'simplified' for idiots and make you go to an additional interface to tweak the other settings and even that is missing stuff (Like the part that deals with enabling/disabling monitors).
Sapphire Tri-X R9 290 owner
>>51573057
I have hd4870 on my mac pro running on el capitan
>>51573057
I sonehow doubt that.
>>51588105
I've got a 380 in my cart, how is the performance?
I decided against getting a 390, since I'm going for a $600 build, and can upgrade properly once the next generation comes out
>>51588363
only slightly better than a 280x or 285, which you can get for much much cheaper.
>>51582533
It would require an extra $60 or whatever it is, and I'm a NEET so I have to be selective with what I buy.
>>51573670
>cUckolds
>>51572720
So what? Novidya does not even support DX12_0 hardware wise
>>51583317
This is wrong. Most boards, particularly Z97/Z170 have only one PCIe x16 slot, because those CPUs only have 16 or so PCIe lanes.
My X99-Deluxe has two, but can only use the second one in x16 mode with a 59xx CPU with 40 PCIe lanes installed, but with my 5820K, which has 28 lanes can only do the first slot in x16. The three remaining of the 5 PCIe slots are maximum x8.
>>51590421
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>>51590421
>>51590421
>>51590421
Bump limit is inevitable.
>>51589611
500w is enough for the 290, you should even have decent headroom. At least 100w iirc.
In game the radeons don't use that much more power...
https://youtu.be/XcolCeWIcss
