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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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No news.
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/TdZByAXS
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
This is a poll asking what your primary thinkpad is, only including the W, T, and X series, excluding any of the different versions of models
>'s', 'u', 'p'
http://strawpoll.me/6030569
http://strawpoll.me/6030569
http://strawpoll.me/6030569
I use a T420 and am wondering what the majority on /tpg/ is. I'm sorry if you're the one guy that uses a W540 or W550. The poll doesn't let you allow more than 30 choices.
>>51391096
X220, but I use my Precision M4800 all the time.
>>51391165
m8 put your answer in the poll, not here :p it doesn't have to be your main computer. preferred laptop is good, though.
>>51391096
t450s representing
The era of ThinkPads in space is now over guys.
Being replaced with HP ZBook 15.
>>51391925
>proposed
>>51391925
It's not our or NASAs fault that lelnovo is destroying ThinkPad.
Hello /tpg/
I have a T420s which I love but the screen is annoying me.
What is a similar laptop (any make) with a decent keyboard (with backlight) and a great screen with a similar size/weight as the T420s?
my x220t has arrived at my courier service.
now its 2 days to here
h-hold me
>>51391925
That just looks like my shitty Inspiron m5010 from when I was younger.
>>51391925
NASA is still using A31p units?
Really, this "proposal" is nobody's fault but Lenovo's. If they hadn't removed so much of what makes Thinkpads desirable in an effort to make them trendy, then NASA probably wouldn't even bother considering anything else.
>>51391075
>The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
What about things like small hairs or tiny crumbs getting in between keys, which happens with me alot. How easy is that to clean?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/272048671840
How'd I do? I mostly like it because of the nvidia graphics. I'm hoping it will help me with cad work, and I'd to try to use it's cuda cores for some gpu-computing.
>>51391925
Fuck that white spot, I already started thinking my screen was going bad.
Are bios locked passwords common in used thinkpads?
>>51392783
Yeah, along with T61p
>>51393190
I haven't seen many, but they're out there. They're a bitch and a half to remove, so avoid whenever possible. If you know how to clear it then you can get perfectly functional thinkpads for really good prices, but it's not as easy as just removing the CMOS battery.
>>51393190
of 25 units i have traded for friends or family i have come across just one with BIOS password (which i was lucky as the seller was its previous owner so he had the password).
>>51393252
this,
if you have the equipment required to clear the passwords you pretty much can get them for dirt cheap prices.
>>51391075
can i use plastic glue to weld the plastic on a crack on a thinkpad?
I am planning on adding a internal hard drive to my X220 tablet. It already has a 120gb SSD and I have read that you can put two SSDs in a X220.
Do you guys know in which place the SSD is most likely in so I can prepare better as this is my first time.
>>51393428
It's probably a normal SATA drive, not likely for it to have an mSATA drive without anything in the main bay. You'd have to get an mSATA SSD to do what you want.
>>51393428
i believe the second drive goes in the ultrabase
>>51389567
>>51389515
>And their screens are IPS but they cover only
>60% of sRGB
Pic related. FTR, I'm working on an LED backlight for the old tablet screens that quadruples brightness and hits about 90% sRGB.
>>51393252
Buying off-lease surplus off eBay, about a third of the 30-ish machine sand motherboards I've bought have been password locked. Once you set up a the right connector and BIOS image for ponyprog, it takes about five minutes to open the machine, clip to the BIOS EEPROM and clear it, but you need a clean BIOS image to start.
>>51392740
How much did you pay? And what do you plan on using it for?
>>51393252
>>51393646
It takes 5 minutes and a screwdriver to reset a BIOS password on 2012 or earlier models. No flasher or any of that shit is required.
>>51393665
160usd
to replace my old x60t
filling forms and shit
hi guys my son just bought me one of these T400 thinkpads and i am just wondering how i wipe it completely and install windows 7 on it
thank you in advances
Finally decided to replace my crappy decade old HP laptop that could barely handle Google Sheets without the browser crashing. Went with a T420 off ebay. Does /g/ recommend a fresh OS install on a refurb? Anything else I should look out for?
>>51393679
>It takes 5 minutes and a screwdriver to reset a BIOS password on 2012 or earlier models. No flasher or any of that shit is required.
Yeah, I've seen the 'howto'. It's bullshit. X6x series requires a flashing because it's all stored in an eeprom. And if you fuck with the eeprom while it's starting up the machine won't post. Flashing a clean BIOS also wipes Computrace and the TPM setup.
>>51393691
Ah okay. I'm looking to buy either that or a t420. First time buyer and user also
>>51393744
Excuse me, but I've successfully used the timing attack shorting the 2 eeprom pins on a x60, x61, t61p, t400, r400, x200 and x220.
There's nothing bullshit about it. It works reliably and quickly.
>>51393780
>Excuse me, but I've successfully used the timing attack shorting the 2 eeprom pins on a x60, x61, t61p, t400, r400, x200 and x220.
Then something in the howto is wrong or leaving something out. I've followed it and it doesn't work. Reflashing does.
>>51393830
This one?
http://kinggeek.co.uk/tech-notes/item/46-clearing-the-supervisor-password-on-a-lenovo-thinkpad-r61i-at-your-own-risk
Obviously you have to work out the exact timing of the shorts yourself but it just takes a little intuition, once you've got it it's easily repeatable.
>>51393718
bump
anyone please??
i am so stupid with tech
I can't decide between T400, T420 or X220. The 12 inch screen on 220 may be bit too small for me. Reviews I seen say 400 is pretty cheaply made. 420 seems like a best choice.
>>51393875
Insert windows DVD, select fresh install, delete all partitions when asked, press continue. Job done.
There's no need for paranoia tier wiping.
My battery life is around a 2-5 hour estimate on my t450s with a 3+3.
How do I lower the power used? I have tlp and powertop. I tried sudo tlp bat and powertop --auto-tune but nothing seems to be visibly working.
>>51393882
If 12" is too small for you then 420 is the obvious choice. T400 is 2 generations older.
>>51393894
i do not have a windows dvd it came with windows 7 and just want to fresh install there is some old data on here
but thanks for helping
>>51393898
Make sure you have the thinkpad-acpi kernel module enabled. Read the tlp documentation and configure it properly. Don't use 2 different programs that might set conflicting settings.
>>51393914
Then make a bootable usb stick?
>>51393866
>http://kinggeek.co.uk/tech-notes/item/46-clearing-the-supervisor-password-on-a-lenovo-thinkpad-r61i-at-your-own-risk
Nope, saw a simpler one that left several of those bits out. That does look way more believable.
It also makes it more complicated than simply attaching a SOP clip and pressing one button, but enh, I believe it works.
>>51393955
Well yeah if you flip thinkpads for a living it makes sense to invest in a flasher. For the casual buyer a free method is always nice.
>>51393969
*nod* and thanks for the link, I'll save it.
[I don't flip them, I'm just a mod fiend and I hoard busted down parts machines for experimentation.]
>>51393969
>>51393979
[oh, and for the record a 'flasher' costs about a buck and change.]
>>51393586
cool, are you using it for drawing? How would you say it compares to a Surface Pro or Cintiq?
>>51394102
heh. 'drawing'. I use it for filling out paperwork without printing the PDF then scanning it back in.
>>51394102
i would say the wacom tech is way better than the n-trig fuckery they bundled on the surface tablets.
>>51393935
Thanks, just did a powertop calibration and removed anything in tlp that powertop did. Went from discharging 17 W to 6 W!
Also came across some interesting stuff
>Thinkpads have an accelerometer that can sense if you drop your laptop and make the hard drive brace for impact. To enable this, install the tp-smapi-dkms and hdapsd packages. Then load the tp-smapi kernel module
Christ
what's the stylus like on the thinkpad? Does it have a button input? I got to tinker with a surface pro 4 today for my boss, and the stylus that comes with a button that opens one note up from lock (which seems like a security risk now that I think about it).
I'd like to replicate that feature (without the security risks) using autohotkey or something, and a better program than one note.
>>51393882
The T400 is absolutely not cheaply made. Everyone took a giant shit when it was released in 2008 because Lenovo decided not to use the thick steel backplate from the T61 keyboard in order to save weight. If you swap in one of the older keyboards then there is literally nothing wrong with it. In fact I'd argue there's nothing wrong with it even with the newer keyboards.
>>51394054
infos?
>>51395426
the x220t stylus has 2 buttons on the side that will switch between brush and eraser by default
i'm sure you can change the functions somehow
does setting battery thresholds yield actual results or is it an old meme?
>>51396061
My X220t has one button on its stylus and by default it's right click. The eraser on the end is the eraser.
>>51393307
I dunno if I just did it wrong, but I tried to use superglue to fix a palmrest on a T60 and the two pieces just sort of melted at the seam and didn't hold well at all. Would not recommend.
>>51396061
>>51396604
Thanks. I'll probably rig something up with auto hotkey.
>>51396561
Lenovo/IBM already has sane thresholds set. Changing them indicates you are more autistic than their chinese design team, which is frightening
Tfw walking around campus with outdated thinkpad in hand
Snagged a 600E at my work, doesn't work tho :(
Hard drive is dead, LCD shows a garbled image but keyboard looks gud
Compaq Presario 1690 and 380ED being tested rn
>>51391096
>tfw no X1 to vote for
>no T43, A3x or R series
X1C3 reportan
>>51391925
Damn.
>>51393914
Just torrent windows 7 iso and then burn a disk
But I'm pretty sure those came with Vista COAs.
>>51391096
voted T60 because my T43 was not listed.
>>51395921
google 'si-prog'
>>51397238
>implying the X1 is a real thinkpad
>>51398079
No its not because 'real' ThinkPads died with the T43p.
>>51391096
feels good to be T420 master race
>>51391925
i recently sold my t520 for an hp elitebook...
Are any of these pieces of shit worth it? It triggered my craigslist alert not earlier today.
http://denver.craigslist.org/sys/5320622464.html
>>51398317
the dude seems pretty chill
pick one you like, find the best deal you can for it on ebay, then subtract like 50 bucks (since no shipping, ebay tax and charges,etc.), and offer that price to him.
>>51398297
Fucking best performance-price ratio ever. I just wish that 1600x900 models where easier to find.
>>51398410
What is a good price for the X200 Tablet? I like the idea of having the pen-screen.
>>51398464
personally i wouldnt pay more than $50 for it, its on its way out.
>>51398480
Thanks. I will send him an email.
>>51398421
I found mine on newegg 16x9. Even came with the Nvidia NVS 4200M graphics. Imo it really is the best price for performance. I'm in love.
>>51398317
That guy has posted that pic here...
It's dated as sept 21st.
>>51398506
How much did you send? Could I get a link?
>>51398317
>wanting to buy pieces of shit
Why even bother.
A lot of those prices are bretty good, T410 is probably priced the best out of them all.
>>51398315
What model did you get, why did you get it and what do you like about it? I hardly see much elitebooks.
>>51398517
Fuck. I don't know if I want to buy something from a /g/ poster.
>>51393679
can confirm
had the keyboard removed from my x220 and had the chip shorted while booting, got into the bios, added a new password to replace the old one, and there we go. perfectly functional x220 with computrace disabled
>>51398517
kek definitely not going then. he has fucking full sized kawaii dolls, dude. he's definitely a serial killer/absolute weirdo
>implying it's not xsauc
definitely is
>>51398623
You should buy the t420 he's selling and have a friend trade it for the ultrawide he's also selling or trading for a **20/**30 for you...
So I know that /tpg/ has its preferred series. T, X, etc.
But what are my options if I'd like think pad durability with more modern specs?
>>51398729
leave
>>51398729
Buy a new laptop and somehow put its internals in a t420.
>>51398518
Well most people here would tell me I overpaid, 265 + 20 dollar shipping, worth it imo.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4RR1UZ2443
I suppose I got lucky with the Nvidia graphics (and the 64bit windows instead of 32), because it's not mentioned on the page, but I baught from Atlanta Electronics LLC (possible they could send you one like mine). If you're consdering buying make sure you email them first though just to be sure.
>>51398776
i spent $150 on that exact setup so yes you did overspend. most people in general would say you did because you did.
Used to use an X200 as my main machine, but switched to a Latitude E7250.
>Broadwell i7-5600U
>sweet Synaptics trackpad with physical buttons (fuck that one-piece touchpad shit)
>tiny stock battery lasts all day and night, or a solid 6~8 hours of heavy photo/video processing
>fingerprint scanner
>MBA-sized but doesn't look/perform like a bitchputer
>mil-spec chassis
Pins your bae's MacBook Air against the wall and fucks it up the ass until it's a pile of melted aluminium and the air is heavy with the vapors of Chinese laborer's tears.
Using it for:
-note-taking and schoolwork
-connected to a Canon 7D with a WFT to push pictures to newspaper photo desk when I'm on an assignment
-Lightroom, opens in 2 seconds and takes 5 seconds to export a jpg from a 25MB raw file
-playing SC2/CS:GO/TF2 with maxed out settings (even though intergrated graphics)
They're expensive as fuck at like $1700 but got lucky enough to pick one refurbished for $800.
Modern business laptops are amazing.
Still using the X200 with a 2TB drive as a sort of home server, can't bring myself to sell/donate/recycle it because I love the design.
>>51398761
>>51398740
So what I'm getting is that new lenovo isn't as good as old lenovo?
All I'm really seeing are a bunch of meme looking laptops like the yoga, and some marketed as Ultrabooks.
>>51398851
the new x/t/w series are garbage. thinkpads have been dead since the xx30 generation 100% and some people here would argue that it was after the xx20 generation.
>>51398900
What happened to lenovo?
>>51398820
kudos to you, nobody sells thinkpads on craigslist in my area, and for my sanity i refuse to fuck with ebay.
>>51398828
>Switching from seven year old hardware to modern hardware
no shit it'll be a huge fucking leap
>>51398711
Hahaha no, I am based in San Diego...
>>51398729
Get a ToughBook, Getac or XFR Latitude...
Just kidding, you'd probably be happy with a T430.
X1C3 is OK but keyboard feel just sucks to me.
>>51398776
Sold a T420 to a college kid for $280... so there's that.
>>51398851
No, they are being fucking retards, they aren't garbage.
>>51398900
>implying the decline wasn't at the xx10 series.
>>51398711
I was wondering if this was the guy I bought my t420 off of a few months ago, but it seems that that guy was on the other side of town (Thornton). All the t4*0s are 1366 anyways.
>>51398578
I'm like the only dude in these threads with an 8560w, lol.
I've owned many (at least 3 of each, various generations of) dell latitudes, HPs elitebooks/compaqs, and thinkpads. I really think people should consider the HP's more often, I typically cycle owning a thinkpad and an elitebook every other year or so. Dells have great specs but they are the worst to use from an ergonomic standpoint (keyboard, touchpad, and clit mouse all suck in comparison) and build quality is subjectively worse.
I actually like the 8560w better than the t520/w520 for these reasons:
>Slightly better performance/$ as of recently
Similarly spec'd W520's seem to be $50-100 more
>Full keyboard with numpad and backlight.
Not as nice/clicky as thinkpad keyboards, but numpad is seriously worth it, and backlight is pretty
>Much, much, much better trackpad
Bigger, has 3 buttons, clicks feel softer/better, and its made of glass so it doesnt wear down at all. the clit takes some getting used to, but isnt that bad.
>Aluminum case, toolless design, and meets mil spec
Its much easier to take apart, and the case is rock solid, there's hardly any plastic anywhere.
>Much better graphics @ price point
The AMD graphics in the 8560w are GDDR5, which is notably faster than the DDR3 NVS/quadros in 2nd gen thinkpads.
Of course, it's not a perfect machine. The bad things are: poor battery life (~1.5 hrs), keyboard is not as nice to use if you dont take advantage of the numpad, no mSATA support (although the 8570w has this), and honestly, the screen latch mechanism feels a little mushy when you close it- its not the satisfying click that thinkpads have. And finally the clit mouse is a little slippery compared to the thinkpad's.
I got mine for 350 USD, but I've seen them as low as $330 with FHD, 250 SSD, i7 2760qm, & 8gb RAM. Thats a crazy good deal if you ask me.
I've had my thinkpad x200t for a week and I love it. I thought you guys were memeing me at first. It's great for shit posting, programming and reading manga desu senpai. Bunsen Labs runs like lightning.
>>51398927
I never said it wouldn't be.
>>51398900
>thinkpads have been dead since the xx40 generation
fixed
>>51399089
>Thinkpads have been dead since the x6x generation.
fixd
>>51399041
I think a lot of people had the burden of a DV6 series and other crap Compaqs so they don't even bother.
>three button touchpad
thats great
>>51398776
*This is a public service announcement to anyone who wants to buy a Thinkpad with Nvidia.
If you have $300 to spend-- you might as well get a T430. A T430 with no dedicated graphics card (iGPU) will outperform any T420 with Nvidia. The old NVSs and Quadros are crushed by the Ivy Bridge iGPUs.
Also you get USB 3.0, a newer processor, and the ability to upgrade to an X1 carbon screen.
>>51399048
Why the fuck would you post a picture like that?
>>51399146
Your probably right. The DV9000s and other HPs in that generation were literally toaster ovens with screens. Back in high school, I knew tons of people with them, and every single one of them died a horrible steamy death.
The modern HP elitebooks and Zbooks are nothing like those at all.
>>51399181
I like the T430 alot but no need to shill them
>not knowing about the T420/30(s) modified LCD cable for FHD IPS screens.
>>51399218
Ah thats good to know, still HP are dicks for overpricing their Beats audio laptops, or I should say best buy are a bunch of cocks.
I know quite a few friends/family who have Macbooks who had HPs before.
Z books are interesting, maybe I'll play with them some day.
>>51398900
So what's the disconnect from xx20 to xx30 that people hate xx30s?
I'm looking at an x230t right now, and it seems nice. Is the build quality shit?
>>51399267
No, it's the keyboards to chiclet style
>>51399267
New keyboard design (top).
>>51399261
HP is a shit company IMO, the only good things they make are the business laptops.
>>51399267
build quality gets shittier every year no matter what. every generation before is better built than the one after it. keyboards are shit from xx30 and up as they fucked everything up. even after the xx30, there is no performance increase as they all move to ULV chips that use ultra low power, like this shit is a fucking tablet or something.
>>51399267
>>51399288
>>51399304
>>51399319
Honestly, the XX30 series keyboards are not that bad. I actually really prefer them in terms of feel, but I really miss having the full 7 row layout, but I got used to it pretty quickly.
>>51399304
Oh, if that's all there is, I don't mind it. I'm typing on an x230 keyboard now, and it's fine.
>>51399342
I use those forward/back keys a lot, but having page up/down there is kinda as useful. It's probably 1000x times nicer than the chiclet on the g50-80 I made the mistake of getting a while back.
>>51399342
the way they changed the keys around just ruined fucking everything. it's not even about the chiclet keyboard.
>>51399304
so sad. such a step backward.
>>51399064
Lewdness over the sea desu
for 2520M users whats your average idle temps? Mines averaging around 50, but I'm wondering if others are lower. I'm using a t420
>>51399658
kek that's way too high. you have to put new thermal paste on that. it should be in the low 40s at the max.
>>51398421
I have a T430 with a 1600x900 screen. These are also hard to find, especially in my third world shithole.
>>51398578
Elitebooks suck cock. I have to use my company issued Elitebook and it makes me miss my ThinkPad so much. The clitmouse is fucking unusable, the keyboard sucks and the nerwer generations have a fuckton of issues (blue screens of death and overheating like a motherfucker). Avoid at all cost.
what's the cheapest thinkpad that has a thunderbolt port?
>>51399717
honestly it usually sits at 48 but it's never constant. it jumps from 48 to 50 alot, by how much would thermal paste lower the temps is what I'm wondering
>>51399999
Nice quints
>>51399658
50's are fine, we all live in different temperature climates. Hell its better than having 70's on a X61T
>>51399999
I think that's a good temp. Use the power manager, you can always speed up the fans so it spits more hot air.
I just got a T410 and it stays around those temps on idle.
>>51400220
>50's are fine, we all live in different temperature climates. Hell its better than having 70's on a X61T
The temp you run at is determined by your fan profile more than anything.
...though I'll admit the second-run heatsink/fan combo in the X61T sucks ass. Go for the original X60T model, was much better.
>>51400636
It was pretty shitty, wifi card swap helped a bit but I eventually got a near mint machine which worked a lot better.
>>51400692
>x1
If I was your father, I would be disappointed that I failed to raise a man.
Hey guys, I want to sell my w510 but I'm not sure how much to sell it for. Here are the specs
Intel i7 Q820 @ 1.73 GHz
-8 Gigs of G Skill RAM
-Nvidia Quadro FX 880M
-128 Gig SSD
How much would you guys pay for it? It's used but I'm running condition. Only thing bad is that is has a crack running near the bottom left speaker.
>>51400731
>If I was your father, I would be disappointed that I failed to raise a man.
>xsauc
You must be new here. Maybe try and find the thinkpad carbon wrap video.
>>51400949
I checked sold listings on eBay for "W510 i7 8GB SSD" and it showed two laptops that sold for $220 ish
Looking at sold W510's show that a few had sold for over $280 which has equal or lesser specs (in my eyes)
Hopefully you have a FHD display, add 10% to what you want to be paid if selling thru craigslist, also there are a few 500 dollardo machines on eBay so maybe someone would pay up towards $300 for your machine... And of course let them know about the small crack that doesn't have any hinders cr to performance/ normal use
>>51401685
I didn't feel like bothering to reply since they only saw one laptop and not the others.
But I feel like it's one of those people who get upset when a girl dates/fucks a person which certain attributes that they don't like and hates them forevz.
Also I gotta stop being a fucking kek and post most videos :x
>>51401801
now now. You're an established tripfriend who's actually liked. No need to get twitchy or defensive.
How much would I be looking to pay for a t420 with 8gb ram and 160ssd?
t420 doesn't have ultrabay?
>>51398317
>I can install any GNU/Linux flavor you would like (maybe not Gentoo
>>51401685
is he like
like a legit trap or something I thought he just did drugs
>>51401960
>established
>tripfriend
>actually liked.
Hi tripfaggot.
>>51404146
Fun fact, 99% of traps are trips, and 99% of trips are traps!
>>51401685
oh i have followed these videos, help me to wrap mine as well.
but seriously man. i get the thinktrap thing at all. but get easy on the eyeliner.
>>51404165
nope, but it wasn't directed at you.
even niggers like thinkpads!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U03oP9sj8qk&app=desktop
I plan to buy an SSD for my t420. Now it has 320gb hdd installed. For some reason samsung's evo 850 with mSata interface costs significantly more than regular sata in my area. I'm wondering if mSata crucial mx200 is any good, or should I buy sata 850 evo instead and throw away that spinning piece of crap?
Hi anons, what Notebook Should I Buy please?
+What is your budget?
$250
+What size notebook would you prefer?
12"/14"
+Would you consider laptops that are refurbished/redistributed?
yes
+What are the primary tasks will you be performing with this notebook?
programming
Reading pdfs
web surfing
video watching
+Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places?
yes
+How many hours of battery life do you need?
3 - 4 hours
+Do you want a glossy/reflective screen or a matte/non-glossy screen?
I read a lot;
Matte Screen is ok
+Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?
only the keyboard: something soft and comfortable with backlit keyboard
(stupid Q: can I install a backlit keyboard on x220?)
+When are you buying this laptop?
Next month or two.
+How long do you want this laptop to last?
4 years +
+How much hard drive space do you need? Do you want a SSD drive?
I could live with 160gb hdd, more would be nice.
+Do you need an optical drive? If yes, a DVD Burner, Blu-ray Reader or Blu-Ray Burner?
Not necessary. I can buy a USB external DVD drive.
Thanks for your suggestions
>>51394134
What software do you use to fill out pdfs?
>>51404930
Xournal on linux
NitroPDF on win
Anybody had a good experience with BunsenLabs on a T42 or similar?
>>51404917
If you step your budget up a bit, you can go for a T430, that's probably the cheapest option with a backlit keyboard, but expect to pay around 300-350 USD for one of those.
If you can't go above your budget, I'd say T420, it meets all requirements except for the backlit keyboard. It does, however, have a little LED sitting above the screen that lights up the keyboard from above, which works out quite well.
I run vpn on all my computers and devices because I care about privacy and security. Because of this I quit posting on 4chan because the shit I would say on here anyway I want to be kept anonymous. If i buy a 4chan pass or something can i get around this or is there just no vpns allowed on 4chan for jewish reasons.
>>51405001
You're talking about the thinklight; yes, I've considered that option, but I work a lot on dark settings and I don't know if the thinklight is ergonomically good enough or not(?). So, that's why I would like to have the backlight.
What about the Xs? x220 vs x230? knowing that I have a 21" display that I can use when I want to program
thx
>>51404697
Please halp
>>51405130
The Thinklight isn't as good as a backlit keyboard, but it's actually useful when you have to consult documents on paper sometimes, or also when you're onboard an overnight flight/ride.
>>51405174
Right, I've got what you mean. I'll think about it. Thx mate.
>>51402130
$250
>>51405295
And without an os? I could probably find someone to install win7 but my goal is to later have some form of Linux running
My Thinkpad X60 died last week. I think it's the mainboard because I opened it and tested the various things (power, disconnected all uneccessary things etc.).
Does it make sense to get a new mainboard for €30.00 or is this just dumb?
Want to buy a thinkpad for a Loonix machine and get into programming which one would you guys reccomend, seems like the t420 and t430 are the most popular
>tfw osx compatible WiFi card is coming in a few weeks
>tfw I'll be able to eat shit wearing gloves over the wireless network
>tfw didn't have to give Tim Cock any of my hard earned meet dosh
>>51400692
>S30/31
I want one so badly
>>51406712
Either of those are good
If you are just programming, the X series is gud too
>>51406828
Which x series models in particular are worth mentioning?
>>51406849
X220 is probably the best deal right now
>>51406883
Do either of the x or t series have problems with performance/battery life?
>>51406917
On the contrary, X220 with i5 CPU and SSD with a 9-cell has a pretty good (~12h) battery life
>>51406917
No, the performance is on par with brand new ultrabooks. Efficiency isn't as good, obviously, but they have much bigger batteries to counteract that issue. So you basically get the same performance and battery life in a slightly heavier/thicker package.
>>51407013
>>51406952
Thanks desk
>>51399304
>no more Scroll Lock or Pause
FUCKING DROPPED
>>51399304
Why can't I change my screen brightness with one hand on the new keyboards? Why do they put the fn and brightness screens at the extreme diagonal from each other? WHY? I'M TRYING TO FAP AND IT'S GETTING DARK IN HERE
>>51407379
Are you kidding me? You can't do it with the old ones, but the new ones look like it wouldn't be a problem
>>51391075
My Uni gave me £500 in store credit. I will receive £500 each semester for 3 years.
What should I get? Should I save a whole year's worth and get one of the most expensive Thinkpads?
Currently thinking of pic related. Any help would be extremely appreciated.
>>51407591
New thinkpad generation is dropping in January, can you wait?
I don't know if this is the right place to ask but I don't really want to make a new thread for it. My mother wants to buy a new laptop, she's mainly gonna use it for ebay / youtube so it doesn't have to be very powerful. She also wants at least 17". Since I don't know jack shit about laptops and I still want to do something for her can you guys help me pick one? What are some things I should watch out for?
>>51407748
Definitely.
I am posting from a very nice PC (dual screens, editing for Filmmaking and ocassional vidya) so it's no rush, but I would love to have a thinkpad to work at the library.
How are the ProBooks? I cant get a 450 G2 (i5 5200) for about £450 right now.
>>51407748
Retro ThunkPuds when?
>finally get T420
>hinge is creaking when you open it
>lock for the ultrabay is literally snapped off and rattling inside the computer
>has the sweaty balls smell from the rubber rails in the HDD bay
>no fucking webcam
>keyboard is mushy
I can't fucking believe I have to return this because otherwise it works and came with a brand new genuine 6 cell.
>>51407933
Just get a refund assuming you got it off ebay, and try not to ship it back so you can at least scavenge it for parts
>>51407970
Send it back, Jevon.
>>51408005
>wanting to waste postage when the seller is at fault
>implying ebay won't side with the customer
yeah nah just get the refund and keep the bitz
>>51407789
Does she really need a 17-inch laptop? I mean that's kinda ridiculous.
Regardless: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834315158&cm_mmc=CNETFinders-_-NotebookFinder-_-na-_-na
Cheap, decent keyboard.
>>51407789
Dell M6600
>>51407789
>>51408106
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-PRECISION-M6600-17-3-INTEL-CORE-I7-2820QM-4GB-DDR3-250GB-HDD-WIN-7-LAPTOP-/331663963815?hash=item4d38b676a7:g:S6AAAOSwwbdWPLnV
Can't beat this for $385
>>51407933
by the way, how do I get rid of the smell? I'm thinking of just tossing the rubber rails into the trash and using cardboard. I did the white vinegar thing on my R61 and the smell actually seems to have gone away but I really don't want to bother again.
>>51408055
She's getting older, so she probably can't see as good anymore. Thanks very much though.
>>51408106
>>51408172
I'll show her those two and let her decide. Thanks again guys.
>>51408172
>hot, heavy, shit battery life
The complete opposite of what is needed.
>>51408238
enjoy getting forced in to free technical support
>>51408238
Make sure she sees this chart that demonstrates how the older i5 is nearly twice as fast as the newer one:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=885&cmp[]=2440
Both laptops are going to have shit battery life, so that doesn't really matter. Build quality will be light years better on the Dell. I'd recommend throwing in an SSD in whichever machine she chooses.
>>51399999
how do you like the t420?, I have a x201 but I am really tempted to get a t420, does the battery lasts less with the Nvidia GPU?
>>51408369
>hot, heavy, shit battery life
>17.3" laptop
>expecting decent battery life
>expecting it not to be heavy
I guarantee that Dell will go on living 10 years past that Acer. Consumer laptops are absolute shit.
>>51399999
whats the battery like?
well my courier service has shipped my x220t
now i have to wait.
>>51407970
>>51408005
>>51408024
I did get it off of ebay. What should I say to demand a refund? All I could possibly do is leave them a lame review.
>>51408386
tell her she doesn't need a 17" laptop, they are all shit
>>51408512
email the seller that you will bring up the case to ebay if they don't give a full refund, which should cause them to shit themselves
get the seller to pay for shipping if they didn't specify in their listing that returned items will have the buyer paying shipping back
if that doesn't work, file a complaint to ebay ie report an item sold not as described
t420 vs t430?, both cost the same, t420 Intel HD
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 4200M, the t430 has Intel HD Graphics 4000. Which one?
>>51408512
Just put in a return request through the eBay help centre. The seller will be given 3 options, to offer a partial refund, a full refund + you keep the item or a full refund and seller pays return postage up front.
Don't bother contacting them directly.
>>51408840
I think a dedicated graphics chip uses more energy even on idle, what is the purpose of your computer?
>>51408958
okay so this is what i've done so far
went to the "request a return" section on ebay
ticked the
>doesn't match description or photos
tab
description i've put is
>arrived damaged (lock for dvd drive snapped off and rattling inside of the machine, dvd drive freely falls out of the machine, damaged in shipping?)
>no mention of no webcam included
>burning smell
>hinges are creaking
i'm trying to act like i don't know much about computers so they don't think i'm trying to fuck them over. Is this good? do i need to provide pictures? can't they just tell me to fuck off?
>>51409179
Yeah that sounds good. They can't tell you to fuck off, eBay has a strong buyer bias. If you're not happy with their offer within however many days, eBay will step in and deal with it for you, normally ending in a full refund.
>>51409179
>>51409179
It resumes to a battle of wits. You are indeed uncomfortable with the current state of the computer, the pictures showed something quite better, demand what you wanted and state what you don't want.
>>51408660
kill urself
Are crucial SSDs shit?
Just picked this up for $260, externally I would say the laptop is 8/10. Did I goof?
Guys, is a X200s worth getting for shitposting and coding? I live in fucking Russia and X200 would cost about 140 USD at best while I can get X200s for only about 100. Are they that worse for such a significant price drop? Also what about libreboot? Looks like s models aren't fully supported.
>>51409715
not the greatest, but not the worst.
I'd recommend upgrading it to 8 gigs of ram though and if you have the extra money get an ssd
>>51409734
>X200s
I've got an X200 Tablet with the SL9400, which is probably also the processor your model has. Got 4GB of RAM and an SSD.
I never had any performance issues while coding, shitposting and audio editing.
>>51409734
The s model is supported. You just need to solder the leads directly onto the wson chip. It's a bit of a pain, but well worth the effort.
>>51409842
The model I'm looking at has
>Intel Celeron processor SU2300 (1.20GHz, 1MB L2, 800MHz FSB) and 2 GB.
This might be a problem.
>>51409941
> SU2300
AVOID! AVOID! AVOID!
The performance is Atom-tier.
https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+SU2300+%40+1.20GHz&id=595
>>51409966
Thanks for warning me bro!
>>51409264
>>51409338
>"Hi, sorry to hear about the damage. we will get you taken care of, no problem. as for mentioning that there was no webcam, I am not sure I understand. are you saying that we should list all of the features that are not included with the item? typically we list all features that are installed, and simply do not mention any features that are not included. this model was also offered with a fingerprint reader as an option, 3g, and several other options that were not included with this one. to start listing all of the features that a laptop doesn't have would be very confusing for most buyers."
welp, they just accepted the return, but I don't want to return it and wait another two weeks. fuck. i don't have time.
>still no classic ThinkPad update
They canned it didn't they?
>>51410080
I sell thinkpads on ebay. You're literally scum of the earth. Read the description and look at the pictures next time. I understand your complaints about the ultrabay switch being broke,but everything else is ridiculous.
If you are worried about waiting, just ask to be reimbursed for purchasing another DVD ultrabay drive.
>>51410143
the shills are real
>no HDD rails
wtf do i use as a replacement?
>>51410373
Cardboard
>>51409054
>>51408840
I need a upgrade from my x201, I use it for light gaming and for school, I need a decent battery life
>>51410373
to explain more
bought a t520 for like $50 but it didn't come with the rails to put my hdd in. what should i use as a replacement? can I just use cardboard? will it burn?
>>51410421
does it werk?
>>51410430
You can use cardboard. Just fold it properly. And don't cover any holes. No, it won't burn.
>>51409715
nice t420 how you like it?, hows the battery?
>>51410080
As long as they're paying the return shipping just do it and get your money back. Better to wait and get a good condition machine instead of sticking with a crappy one.
>>51410352
I post here because I enjoy the subject. I never hark my good here.
>>51410712
they aren't. I have to pay for it.
>>51410098
>expecting a laptop to be designed, tested and launched in 3 months
How should I pick the right RAM plank? Should they have the same frequency and timings? Or timings is enough?
t510 in pretty good condition with 1600x900 display, 8 gigs of ram, and a 250 gig hard drive
is it any good for 120?
>>51411043
it doesn't really matter.
but it will go with whatever is the slowest
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-4236FJ1-D8BGY-14-8gb-160gb-THIN-SSD-i5-WEBCAM-DVDROM-A-7-/351579729239?nav=WATCHING_ACTIVE
Seller is asking 260 even. Worth it? Or buy from another seller with same specs, although no OS for 220 plus shipping
>>51411437
Oh and the one asking 220 only holds 80% charge
>>51410465
Thanks. Battery is decent, lasting around 5ish hours of use, when the discrete chip is activated. Going to deactivate and see what the battery life is, in the next day or two. Really liking the it so far though.
>>51408460
Welcome to the tablet club!
What are you planning on running on it?
Is a g50-45 worth $100-150, or is there something better for that price range?
>>51411883
>ideapad
Hey /g/, just got an X200s, and I'm trying to install an EVO 850 on it, but the computer doesn't seem to recognize the SSD. Any ideas?
>>51411985
If it's msata, that's not going to happen. They're only supported in 2011 and later models.
>>51412019
No, it's a 2.5 inch model, and seems to fit in there. I think it's SATA 3 though
>>51412036
should work, though obviously with reduced speeds. Have you tried it on another machine?
>>51412036
I'm just replacing the main HDD with it
>>51411504
>>51411437
Anybody?
>>51403948
>but I would put Arch on there for you.)
aww <3
>>51398317
>so $650 OBO takes all.
oh boy, is it getting hot in here or is it just THIS FLAMING FUCKING DEAL?
>>51411883
You'd have to pay me to get a g50. And I'd still go and buy a thinkpad.
>laptop bends like paper
>>51412077
My friends getting the monitor he's selling. $200 for an ultrawide seems to be a deal.
>>51412048
Nevermind, it works now. I guess I just didn't jam it in hard enough
>>51407933
If you keep it, you can fix the hinge with light oil. They are supposed to be greased for life but some get dry over time.
I had this problem, and I put one single drop of WD40 into the creaky hinge. It's been silent for months.
>inb4 WD40 is not a lubricant
>>51407822
Any more opinions on this guys?
>>51397238
>600E
Noice. That was my first laptop back in 2004-2005.
how heavy are thinkpads? I need a new laptop that i'll be carrying with me everyday to class and don't need something that's like 10 pounds
been looking at zenbooks also but I know those probably don't compare in weight
>>51413239
Iirc my t420 is a bit under 5lbs. No idea what others weigh, but you can look up the specs somewhere.
>>51410430
Paper, the primary component of cardboard, burns at above 232 degrees. I should hope your hard drive never reaches anywhere near that.
You could also try some packing foam to get a better fit and to absorb vibrations better, but make sure it has a melting point above around 80 degrees.
>>51413347
That's in Celsius btw, for you Americans.
I've had my Asus UL80vt for 5 years now and it's starting to show it's age. I've been considering just building a mid-range desktop and having a lightweight ThinkPad for on-the-go word processing and browsing.
How sketchy is it to purchase refurbished laptops? I've only bought new ones and I'm paranoid of receiving a bad unit. Are my fears unfounded or is this a real issue?
Either way, X220 or X230?
>>51411853
uh, im already part of the club, since 2007. i have a X60t.
i will rsync the /home of my current arch and install win10 and OSX on it (yeah i will flash the BIOS and already have an atheros card pulled from a macbook)
>>51413367
It's a lot more familiar if you're american
Paper burns at Fahrenheit 451
>>51404146
Drugs back then but it still shows x3
Haven't been passable in awhile
>>51406154
Upgrade to an X61 or buy a broken screen X6x series
>>51408660
>tfw a dude who bought an LCD from my works eBay never got his package
>they don't want to file it lost, they want us to do it
>we asked if it was in an apartment complex coz we checked via google maps, asked if the neighborhood is rough
>we talk to fedex, they ask us what color was the house and we ask the buyer
>he responds"I don't know"
>you don't know the color of your house
>no, I bought it for a client
>mfw the buyer is going to get shafted because they didn't write down the apartment number
Is there any way for me to get 16 GB of ram in my x220 tablet?
>>51410352
But needing mention of no webcam is stupid.
What else should they mention that is not available, backlit keyboard, IPS, display, no recovery CDs?
I agree the hinge and CD drive shouldn't of been damaged, or loose.
We should check the listing this dude got and show you how to not fuck up next time
>>51410430
Cardboard and tape, I got away paying $30 per laptop with some cheapie caddies, it was great
