Previously on: >>55203433
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http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls
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/*
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Awesome:
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spectrwm:
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dwm:
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Pytyle2:
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Pytyle3:
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Reminder we have two threads on /t/
One about ported videogames
>>>/t/707928
>>>/t/707928
And one on tutorial videos for system administration and IT
>>>/t/713097
>>>/t/713097
Also check the list of open source games
https://ghostbin.com/paste/z74bj/raw
Is it just me or is Keepassx2 fucking broken?
>>55213441
Are these one "legal", meaning one can download these without ever possibly having issues with justice?
>>55213382
Please stop trolling. Come to this thread: >>55213250
Is there a way to make say 7z, read from a file which has passwords in it,which is then read by 7z,and provides passwords to the command if it finds one.
Something similar to this:alias 7z x='7z x -p$FILE *.7z'
is the linux userbase shrinking?
i was wondering. i felt it peaked with the ubuntu hype in 2010 ish and now it's declining. probably a to do with the decline of forums and boards in general. everyone's on fagbook and tumblr and the nerds have grown up or killed themselves
I'm leaving Gentoo for various reasons and want to try BSD. Anyone know which is better, Free or Open?
>>55213720
>>55213663
>>55213583
this is a troll thread, made to start flamewars and ass
come to the actual thread before the shitposting begins: >>55213250
>>55213720
Wondering the same. Debian has lost it's charm.
>>55213774
Fuck off, self proclaimed king of /g/.
>>55213912
This. We were here first.
What is the best Linux distro for laptop?
>>55213912
I just came from the front page but it's obvious that the thread that was made also an hour earlier is the official one. Why would somebody start a general about something that already has a general?
>>55213720
As I understand it, OpenBSD is more secure. So go with it.
Does arch support steam?
>>55213985
Of course. Check the arch wiki on how to get steam running
>>55213985
pacman -S steam
>>55213973
Have you used it? I'd like to ask a few questions.
>>55214014
>Have you used it?
Not unironically.
I want grep awk database in timely manner but my pipe is not picking up the nodal timings. What should I do? Is it because of my libraries or should I do 'll'?
>>55214028
The other thread is the troll thread though. /flt/ has been around long before the /fglt/
>>55213487
>>55213774
>>55214028
How can one be so butthurt? You're the one trolling here mate.
>>55214018
>Not unironically.
>>>/r/hipster
>>55214046
I know right
B-B-but it's GNU SLASH LINUX
>>55214044
This. I've removed all gnu component's from my machines in favor of busybox.
>>55213720
To understand how bad BSD is, you must experience it for yourself. Also, I lack adequate whatever the opposite of superlatives is.
>>55213382
Why not call it Friendly Linus Thread? :^)
Arch linux is the best linux distro of all time.
>>55214124
>how bad BSD is,
Worse than Gentoo? Please, you should report to the troll thread.
>>55214154
Pretty much.
t.debbie and sid.
>>55213382
Wtf niggers? Why is this /flt/ and not /fglt/??
>>55214204
Because /flt/ was first
>>55214204
Seems this thread is about kernel development.
For GNU/Linux general discussions, go >>55213382
>>55214204
We didnt drink the koolaid.
>>55214204
We're not faglets. It's time we part ways, Stallmanite.
>>55214236
>tfw every time you run "Linux", you run code made by stallman and commadres
post it
>>55214257
>>tfw every time you run "Linux", you run code made by stallman and commadres
I don't understand why you want me to post it, but here you go.
How well do games run on Linux?
The game I play is osu and it doesn't run that great on my current hardware (i3-2350m, 6gb ddr2), I play with everything "fancy" turned off.
How much of a performance loss am I looking at when playing on WINE or PoL? 8%? 20%? 50%?
What is the best SQL database application for linux? I have gentoo.
Whats the best place for a complete newbie to start learning how to use linux? How would i switch from win 7 to linux? Also where can i learn to hack people emails, facebooks, instagram etc?
>>55214377
>Whats the best place for a complete newbie to start learning how to use linux? How would i switch from win 7 to linux?
I'd suggest Ubuntu as it is easy to install and well documented. Some people like Linux Mint a lot also.
>>55214377
Head straight for Kali in a VM, my child.
>>55214418
Elaborate sweet prince
>>55214204
Take a hike, hippie.
>>55214445
Force yourself to learn how to swim by jumping off the diving board into the deep end. You see kid with linux, it's either swim or die.
Good luck, you'll need it.
>>55214445
Install Virtualbox and within that, install Kali. The process is well documented on the official website.
>>55214483
This.
>>55214479
>>55214483
so i can find out everything i need from their official website? I just donwloaded this tor browser for the first time i asm about to go on the deep web i guess.... some do's and dont's please?
>>55214533
When using tor browser should you be behind more proxies or vpn's ? or are you pretty well hidden ?
>>55214533
Yes. Usually on a particular Linux Distro's website they will have a tab called "Documentation". Click it and read up
>>55214584
Tor is plenty safe for your uses.
If I switch from "only alsa" to "pulseaudio + alsa", will these two interfere with each other?
>>55215083
pulse requires alsa,it is a layer on top of alsa
>>55215083
They should work
>>55215109
>>55215111
Good to know. Thanks to all.
>>55215109
I mean now, I control the volume with the buttons on my thinkpad's keyboard by putting on my .xbindkeysrc# Mute
"amixer -q set Master toggle"
m:0x0 + c:121
NoSymbol
# VolDown
"amixer -q set Master unmute && amixer -q set Master 5%-"
m:0x0 + c:122
NoSymbol
# VolUp
"amixer -q set Master unmute && amixer -q set Master 5%+"
m:0x0 + c:123
NoSymbol
and the GUI via the Volume Icon in my tint2 bar. As for this one, I don't know how to configure it. I remember trying months ago and it lead to the sound stopping working at all...
but I have issue with alsa fail to troubleshoot so I consider giving pulseaudio a try
>>55215174
I'm not really sure what you're saying.
>alsa
Put the following in your ~/.asoundrcpcm.!default {
type hw
card 0
}
ctl.!default {
type hw
card 0
}
>amixer
Grabe pulseaudio-ctl
exp:# Lower
"pulseaudio-ctl down"
m:0x10 + c:122
Mod2 + XF86AudioLowerVolume
I belive the 'up' and 'down' default to 5%
>>55215282
Ah, sorry. I'll try to describe better.
I am having some issue with the sound (the speaker of my laptop randomly stops. Restarting alsa does nothing. The only way to "fix" is to reboot.)
I tried looking at the logs but there is nothing interesting in journalctl | alsa , nor in dmesg.
Since I don't know how to troubleshoot, I am trying to escape. i was thinking that maybe using pulseaudio would magically solves the issue, but I'm afraid I won't be able to control the sound anymore should I do a mistake.
In my previous post, I described how I am currently controlling the sound, and that I fear about my gui volume icon to stop working.
>>55215366
Did you check the Arch wiki? They have a very thorough write-up on this topic. No offense, this is a very difficult topic to get a handle on when it chooses to be problematic.
>>55215474
I referred to it to tune my keybinds in the first place. I then tried https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture/Troubleshooting but I couldn't find something fit for my issue.
Maybe there's something behind "the speaker randomly stop working, even after restarting alsa" but without logs I'm a bit lost.
Sorry if this doesn't belong in this thread, I don't spend much time on /v/. I'm looking to make the switch to linux but still need Windows for gaming. I'm probably going to make the switch to W10 soon before the free version is unavailable, but I want to make sure that the privacy of my machine isn't compromised.
If I have W10 on my host machine and use linux in a VM, is it even worth it? Or is it worthless and all the spyware that comes with W10 will affect VMs as well. Unfortunately running W10 in a VM and using GPU passthrough isn't an option as my CPU doesn't support it, otherwise I would do that.
>>55215530
It's a mess that we all wish would go away.
>>55215547
Just fully use Linux and dont worry about it. Grow up and stop gamming
>>55215576
But I'm a child anon I need my video games.
>>55215547
You should be safe in a VM, encrypt your Linux home folder too, for added protection.
>>55215613
I have heard things like W10 taking screenshots of your desktop and sending it to MS servers. Is that bullshit, or something that can be disabled? If not, does that also not affect VMs?
>>55213382
>/flt/
sure summer is here
fucking trolls everywhere
>>55215651
Or is it one troll talking to itself? A look at the posts seems like a retarder guy spilling random shit.
>>55215628
>>55215671
Well fuck me. Dual boot it is then.
>>55215547
Can you dualboot?
It is easy to do with ubuntu, it appears more delicate on arch (dunno, I never tied). A linux parition can be quite small compared to what is needed by windows.
This, or you can have separate hard drives
(that's what I do : I have linux on my ssd, and I swap to a windows hdd when I need skype or software only available on windows)
>>55215661
There's a "stop liking what I don't like" retard ITT. There always one of these that come shitposting in linux threads for some reason.
>>55215671
>/b/
>>55215651
quit memeing and go back to your safe space.
>>55215651
>>55215661
Please don't derail this thread. Your trolling is obvious and unfunny.
>>55215727
Yeah, that's my plan now. I should be able to fit all my windows stuff onto my c:\ drive and 1tb drive and leave the 500gb drive i have for linux. Haven't decided on which distro though. Obviously Ubuntu is talked about for beginners a lot so I might go that route, or just straight Debian although I'm not quite sure what the benefit of that may be if I do.
>>55215763
That is plain mean. You started this thread after another was already up to start a flamewar. Accussing us of what you do is pure evil.
>>55215651
>>55215796
/flt/ was first and then trolls/literal autists started spamming /fglt/
>>55213382
In case of doubt about the system's name, just ask the system itself.
You can delete this thread now and head over to the actual friendly thread: >>55213382
>>55215813
Some people like to call it linux for short though.
>>55215813
whoops, correct link:
>>55213250
>>55213250
>>55213250
>>55215808
So you ARE starting a flamewar
>>55215813
Apparently a mod is involved anon, because in your post it doesn't show a link to the other thread, only a link to this one. Can't you see it?
So anyway, where does all the hate for systemd come from?
>>55215821
If you're searching for a short name, just say GNU since Linux is just a kernel some people even don't use.
>>55215835
No I'm not people like this >>55215826 are
>>55215845
Most people don't know what GNU is so I'll stick with the more popular name, Linux.
>>55215796
I didn't start this thread. I simply relate to those who just want to put this GNU/ nonsense behind us.
>>55215793
>Haven't decided on which distro though
I've been on ubuntu myself quite long. No matter what people say, it's nice to get started.
Now, I speak for myself, but I felt like using ubuntu wasn't leading me nowhere. I then felt for the Arch meme and learned more in 6 month than in years of ubuntu. I wouldn't have been able to start directly with arch tho.
As for debian, I tried it. But my wifi needs muh non free drivers so there's almost no doc on how to set up the wifi for my case. This left me with a poor first impression on debian and hence never sticked to it.
>>55215826
Are you the same who missed the link before? That would make two in a roll.
>>55215848
No, because you are the troll who want a flamewar. Congrats asshole.
>>55215813
I dont use gnu userland
>>55215796
>>55215813
If you like your thread that much why don't you go back there and stop crying here?
>>55215856
>>55215883
Sorry things turned out differently? I guess Stallman should have come up with a catchier name.
>>55215871
GNU isn't only some tools buddy.
>>55215883
>Linux without GNU: Alpine, Android, OpenWRT
>GNU without Linux: Debian HURD
OP is a faggot who wants a flamewar. Anti-gnu trolls like the idea, be them with OP or not.
>>55215897
There is no right "Name", because it's simply not one single project.
>>55215871
This is my ultimate goal.Honestly, all of this bickering and interjection memes has driven me to a hatred of Stallman. Call me irrational, but, it's almost as annoying as using Windows.
>>55215935
If there is no right "name" then why does it bother you so much if people it "Linux"
>>55215836
It started as a single good toolset.
Now it is taking over the entire system each day
I shouldnt have to install 50 packages because it depends on systemd, when it shouldnt need to at all
>>55215912
>GNU isn't only some tools buddy.
GNU is nothing but tools, and Stallman is the biggest tool of them all.
>>55215915
>Debian HURD
Debian+Turd, anon.
>>55215956
LOL
>>55215946
Because the system is not Linux alone. Linux is only a kernel.
>>55215912
I am aware of this an as i stated, i dont use the gnu userland
I am in a linux thread because i dont use gnu.
Posting in a fglt thread, isnt reflective of my system, i use linux and another userland,which is not gnu
Going in to the fglt, i would have to association to gnu users
>>55215963
>Turd
^Hurd, fucking auto-correct.
>>55213382
>>*** Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread. ***
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as GNU/Linux is in fact GNU. Linux is not part of the operating system itself, but is the kernel that is not covered by the naming system of an operating system as defined by common sense.
Many users run operating systems such as Windows, OSX, and a variant of BSD yet do not use a cumbersome naming system that includes the kernel, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, GNU has been the exception to this for no reason and has just been called "Linux" for no good reason, and many others use the insane, cumbersome term "GNU/Linux", mostly because the GNU project doesn't want you to think that Linux is a part of GNU.
There really is a Linux, and it's not part of GNU, but it's a kernel, and no one really specifies using it. GNU is the OS; the actual base system you interact with, and is useful with any compatible kernel; it can function with many different kernels such as GNU Mach or even kFreeBSD, so the whole system should only specify the kernel when it matters, because all these kernels are really irrelevant regarding GNU.
The bigotry is the main reason the threads have to be named "Friendly GNU/Linux". If not the anti-gnu trolls will feel at home.
>>55215956
>MFW Nano beat feet on that unclean bastard.
>>55215883
Linux is actually the component I want. The other stuff matters but I don't really care if my userland is gnu or not. A machine might use gnu coreutils but the software that matters most to the user isn't gnu.
I have gnu systems, I have non-gnu systems. gnu is a big comfy blanket full of foot skin and plant sex, and somehow it runs really good. bsd userland is cold and well engineered, but still not any better than gnu. hardened uclibc is fun to play with but isn't appropriate for all uses quite yet.
for most lusers on Windows, they only ever use Chrome and don't touch the other parts if they can help it. Should we start calling it NT/Chrome?
>>55216042
>mfw you fell for /g/ trolling
nano is still part of GNU
>>55216062
Nope, it was in this mornings news.
>>55216062
That's what happens when faggots create bait threads and newfriends blindly believe.
>>55216082
>>55216062
Actually you are wrong
https://nano-editor.org/news.php
>>55216101
So you say "herd" means GNU, ok.
>>55216101
Read the replies of the actual thread faggot.
>>55216082
From Nano Homepage: And, with this release, we take leave of the herd...
Bye! And thanks for all the grass!
>>55216124
Yep.
>>55216124
He really meant GNU, but he's going to create a fork of nano. With "we" he meant himself, leaving the project. Nano itself keeps being a GNU project.
>>55216166
>believing random shitposts
>>55216181
I only believe this:
>And, with this release, we take leave of the herd...
>Bye! And thanks for all the grass!
eg: nothing till we know more :^)
>>55216181
>believing random shitposts
###WE NOW NO LONGER SUPPORT,NOR CONDONE ANY FURTHER GNU TOOLKIT DISCUSSIONS###PLEASE REFRAIN FROM REPLYING TO THESE PUSHY SOCIALISTS###SIMPLY ENJOY THE BUMPS THIS THREAD WILL INVARIABLY RECIEVE###
>>55216202
This.
Is not like there are separete GNU proects. Other projects even "leave" but to become under their own management, never actually leaving GNU.
>>55216215
Ok, this is enough. Your bigotry is now evident.
For everyone who is interested to know the actual nano story: >>55216236
>>55216252
>>55216265
>not from 4chan
>this information a shit
How can I fix screen flickering with Intel graphics? I can't find anything on this anywhere.
>>55213985
need to have multilib uncommented to work.
>>55215530
Bumping : Does any one is using both sound control via Volume Icon and pulseaudio?
Hey guys. I've got a really old pc in my basement. XP wont boot anymore, so I made a Mint live cd, but when I boot from it, my monitor displays "PC resolution out of range" but I don't know how to change the resolution since XP wont boot and I cant see the mint boot. Anyone know whats up?
>>55213382
What's the difference between apt-get update and apt-get upgrade?
>>55217083
you don't need to apt-get you can just use apt
update updates the repos and checks for new packages
upgrade upgrades the newly found packages
So, openSUSE vs Kubuntu as far as KDE-oriented distros go.
I've been using the latter but, hearing how often the former is mentioned when discussing KDE, I'm curious. Aside from yast, which I already know about, what benefits does openSUSE have over Kubuntu? How much more work goes into using it? (What little I do know about it suggests it isn't massively less "just works" overall. Also, I'm not opposed to putting more work into it to make it work how I want it to.)
>>55217184
opensuse. Kubuntu has never been a very good KDE distro due to how fast KDE changes and how the ubuntu feature freeze works. Neon aims to fix the problems with Kubuntu
Ive been using ubuntu server 14.04 on my plex/seedbox headless home server since forever. Ive been looking at moving away from ubuntu and was wondering what I should use. I really just want to set it and forget it and have it install security updates automatically. I also don't want to reinstall the whole OS when a new release comes out ive never had good experiences with ubuntu's dist-upgrade
>yfw /flt/ surprise attack
keke
>>55217184
OpenSUSE, or KDE Neon in a week or so. User version has a problem with wayland that's fixed on unstable, but unstable has its own quirks due to being as bleeding edge as you can get.
https://superuser.com/questions/688733/start-a-systemd-service-inside-chroot
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/changing-roots
fucking hell, this fucking retard destroyed chroot and replaced it with his own bullshit. fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
Hey folks, I'm doing a clean install of Debian on my laptop tomorrow.
I'm going to try not using a Desktop Environment for the first time (I'm not new to Debian, but I've been using it with GNOME on my desktop for a few months now)
After researching a bit I decided I'll first try i3 as my window manager. However I was wondering - what's a nice display manager to pair it up with? Does it matter at all? And how easy is it to change the default WM / DM if I want to try OpenBox, bspwm, awesome etc?
>>55216437
Try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/intel_graphics#Tear-free_video
or anything of that page what is relevant. You could also try not using the intel driver and use modesetting.
Alternatively, install and configure compton.
>>55218402
I am using lightdm (because I don't know how to start openbox without it, I don't manage to open an openbox-session...) and I like it.
It is somewhat cutomizable.
Also, you can choose which wm to launch before you log in.
How does marking bad sectors on GNU/Linux works? I have an external HDD with bad sectors, and want to mark bad sectors to not be used, and use the many good sectors. It's actually just like a pendrive (no OS), and it's filesystem is NTFS.
>>55218638
First you stop using ntfs
>>55218402
not using a dm is easier. read wiki articles on xinitrc
>>55219030
Sure, I don't want to use this format anymore because it's owned by Microsoft. Should I start formatting to FAT32? Its maximum drive size is 2TB, which is my actual drive size, so I should have no problems...
>>55216050
Is there a reason why linux is the part you want? A monolithic kernel isn't exactly special.
>>55219063
There are several way better file systems available. I would suggest you start with ext4 for compatibility reasons.
>>55219101
EXT are journaling file systems. This means I can't store and use encrypted data on it, because it will publish my info on journals.
wait
what's so bad about gentoo?
>>55219237
I think it's because you can go farther down the customization rabbit hole. If you consider archlinux time-sink-os, then gentoo is even worse.
I say this without having used it. I have a question. One of the main advantages I've heard is memory use reduction. But the only systems I have that would benefit from that are pentium 3-4 systems. How long would it take to get a working minimal desktop at on a <1Ghz processor.
>>55219237
Compile time, and not having anything work. Like xorg for example.
Which is the proper way to set my system to notify me? I was thinking about something like:
IF condition=true, then create file-not
IF file-not exists, then show a message on the console and play a custom sound.
Repeat each 5-15 minutes.
For stopping the notification, delete said file.
Which is the right way to do that kind of stuff? I want to write a program to notify me about free games using websites that monitor deals as source without having to refresh said pages every 30 minutes.
>>55219425
Have this function. It checks the given site's md5sum, if changed, popup.curl-notify() {
url="$1"
delay="${2:-5}"
while :; do
ct="$(curl -s "$url" | md5sum)"
if [ "$ct" != "$lt" ]; then
lt="$ct"
notify-send -u critical "$url" 'Activity!'
fi
sleep "$delay"
done
}
Usage: curl-notify <url> <delay>
A more mature way would be to call a script with cron.
So when running X11 I can do this to practically disable mouse acceleration/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-mouse-acceleration.conf
and enter this into the file:Section "InputClass"
Identifier "My Mouse"
Driver "libinput"
MatchIsPointer "yes"
Option "AccelProfile" "flat"
EndSection
How can I achieve this when running GNOME on Wayland?
>>55219503
>It checks the given site's md5sum.
I didn't even know this was possible. You've solved a bunch of questions with just an answer. Many thanks!
I was playing around with audit, and now i cannot get rid of it. The packages are uninstalled, i have rebooted since removing, and kauditd is still auditing the system, the log is still being filled.What the hell?
>>55213382
>use to use computer with two ethernet ports but pci filtering caps blew
>now use two computers, 1 for browsing 1 for internet routing
>hear buzzing nonstop from computer I use for stuff
>pull harddrive still hear it
>pull fan still hear it
>tired as shit and bend fan pins as I plug it back in
>keep trying
>nope.jpg
>computer restarts automatically
>computer shuts off right after bios posts
>mfw I think I finally burned out my wolfdale
>start browsing parts and put together my ws shopping list
>decide to use power supply for hecker things
>green to black
>hear buzzing
>fuck you bitch
>take power supply from internet computer and put it into first
>first computer works again but is underpowered
>spend week browsing dank memes with the second computers powersupply sitting outside the first computers case
>plan to order more power supplies
>check ancient computer pile for parts, only one even less powerful psu left
>decide to pull last power supply left from backup computer pile
>decide to put it in second computer, and use second computers psu in first computer until new psu's get here
>decide to actually put the second's psu into the firsts's case just to get it out of the way
>go to pull third psu
>mfw 20 pin
>decide to just use shit computer for internet reasons and not cut up the power supply to add the four more pins
>pull ram, hd, and ethernet card from preferred internet pc to make this one a temporary replacement
>install all that shit into the ancient pc
>hook it up
>push power button and nothing
>push 5 more times
>turns on
>LOUD ASS POP
>mfw it wont turn back on
>mfw all my good shit was installed on that computer and now I have to pull the psu from the first computer and reassemble the second just to find out if anything is FUCKED.
So hows your nights going?
>>55218269
You're an idiot who doesn't even understand the articles he linked himself.
Which distro should I recommend my macfriends? I was thinking Fedora + install Pantheon DE (from elementaryOS).
>>55220580
>This entire post.
Slept like a pup. Might have nightmare tonight, though. Thanks, anon.
>>55220952
>Might have nightmare tonight
atleast youd wake up from it.
>>55220952
Scratching Fedora, as it doesn't have Pantheon. Ubuntu would have that, but now that Canonical fucked up I'm reluctant.
Should I just recommend Fedora with Gnome and help them get cairo dock?
>>55220970
Good point. Waking up into a nightmare beats waking up from one.
>>55221012
>nightmare
Was just thinking.. If I would have added those extra 4 pins to the atx connector, and put it in the computer I like, and turned it on and it blew up (making me think I fucked up by adding pins) and fryied (finished off) this computer I would have flipped so much shit.
I swear I would be throwing away everything older than 5 years and become a buyfag.
Im actually kinda glad I decided to just turn on the pos computer
>>55221061
As much as I hate throwing money to every little problem, a timely upgrade can save you headaches and time. And those (health and time) are 'money' as well.
Good luck, anon.
>>55220920
>idiot
This is a DESIGNATED friendly thread. Just be passive aggressive as fuck without resorting to name calling.
>>55221082
Lol thanks.
For what its been worth, Ive jewed out a pretty decent setup from basic stuff for about 8 years now.
But yea, it is getting about that time to clear everything out and buy new shit.
>>55213382
What is a good place to start for someone with no previous linux experience?
>>55221746
https://www.gnu.org
>>55221746
Do you want to go balls to the wall and install Linux on your computer, or do you want to first try it on a live CD or virtual machine?
Either way; Ubuntu, Ubuntu spin-offs (Ubuntu GNOME, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu) or Ubuntu derivatives (like Mint) are probably your best bet. That's how I started anyway.
Other people recommend Fedora and openSUSE as well for beginner distros
If you don't mind doing a bit more research and reading a bit more, Debian is also a decent distro for an intermediate beginner. It's basically Ubuntu without the Canonical corporate thing.
>>55221811
>>55221813
Forgot to mention I already have Mint installed as part of a dualboot config. I just don't know what to do with it.
I have a question guys:
I wiped my laptop's hard drive with Boot and Nuke, and when I went to install Debian in UEFI mode it said it *still* detected some operating system installed in BIOS compatibility mode, and asked me if I wanted to force UEFI install
How is it possible that there's still an OS install if I wiped the hard drive clean?
I said yes to "Force UEFI install" because I don't care to boot to a non-existent OS, but I'd like to clear out the ghost entry. How do I do that?
Thanks in advance
>>55218542
>compton
Will look into this, thanks.
>>55221813
>Recommending Mint
>>55221746
Do NOT install Mint. It is actually so extreme shitty that it blocks upgrades so they don't break the mess of a distro.
https://github.com/linuxmint/mintupdate/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintUpdate/rules
>>55221829
You use it like a normal computer, amigo. You can only learn its potential and its differences and advantages from Windows/Mac by using it
On my main desktop I dualboot Debian for all my work and data, but keep a small Windows 10 partition to play games that are incompatible on Linux. Maybe one of these days I'll get off my lazy ass and execute a GPU passthrough on Debian so I don't need the Windows 10 partition at all, and can have it just jailed inside my Linux install.
>>55221859
>linking a github rules page that a newbie is not going to know anything about
>continuing this meme
>implying a newbie is going to care
I used Mint as my first distro and I'm now on Debian. You don't have to marry the first girl you kiss, you know.
Is there anything funnier than non arch linux users pretending they know linux?
>>55221880
I guess even a newbie want's a secure system.
A system that doesn't even get kernel upgrades isn't secure.
>>55221944
good shitposting son
>>55218638
run spinrite on it
>>55221945
>A system that doesn't even get kernel upgrades isn't secure.
>even
when was it insecure, i.e. when was the last time the kernel did have a remote code execution flaw?
patching local privilege escalations is kind of pointless on single-user systems with X11, where the user already owns everything important and you can just ask X11 for every keyboard inputs, if you want the root pw.
>>55221944
Arch users feeling elitist is on par with that.
>>55221859
Mint also renames or uses different packages from upstream (Ubuntu and Debian) like with their flash plugin in 17.3 called mint-flashplugin-10.2.
>>55221944
When you actually know how GNU/Linux works, you realize that all distros are the same and only the packaging system differes.
>>55221746
Honestly, (x)ubuntu.
I began my linux journey 8 years ago on glorious ubuntu. Don't listen to gnu/neckbeards about it being a sub-human distro. It is quite nice to begin with. No one will expect you to edit config files and reading logs you don't understand in your first week. Choose an easy distro and take your time.
I recommend xubuntu because I think that xfce is better than Unity and gnome 3, that are "locking down" a lot of customization options.
>>55222004
Linux is the kernel, GNU is the basic userspace tools.
A kernel is the program (it's not really a 'program') which directly deals with the hardware, allows other processes to run, and provides services to those programs with syscalls (system calls).
GNU then implements the C standard library and other essential things on top on the Linux syscalls, and has all of the standard command line tools you have.
>>55222004
GNU is the software that you use like the coreutils or gcc. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Does that explain everything or are you still confused?
>>55222138
>>55222139
So the kernel talks to my hardware and I'm talking to gnu? Is that correct?
>>55222075
>Ubuntu
90% of all packages are not maintained (everything not in the main repo)
>Debian
only Debian Stable is looked after by their security team, which will be ancient for desktop stuff
>>55222171
Yeah that's a way to look at it. You're not supposed to interact with the kernel, the kernel interacts with the programs and hardware, you will however interact with the GNU programs and non GNU programs.
>>55222171
Pretty much.
There are all sorts of possible exceptions to that way of thinking though, considering that you can replace pretty much any part of your system as you see fit.
Is it possible for a hacker to install a trojan on my laptop running Ubuntu through my Wi-Fi router and type something in my documents? Because that's what is happening to me.
>>55222202
>>55222221
Thank you kind anons! I guess I have to read more about the topic, but I think I got the basics.
>>55222222
Very nice digits!
>>55222222
If you're logged in as a standard user and not running anything as root, it would be impossible for a trojan to be installed without permission unless you had an easy to guess or crack password.
Also, very impressive get.
>>55222222
calm the FUCK down
>through my Wi-Fi router
Afaik Ubuntu is configured by default to drop all incoming connections via iptables.
I think you're just paranoid and edited the document yourself, but forgot about it.
what's the encryption on the user passwords?
is it possible to directly attack it?
>>55222222
Did you notice you got dubs?
>>55222276
>Afaik Ubuntu is configured by default to drop all incoming connections via iptables.
nope.
Ubuntu comes with no firewall enabled, tho it doesn't listen on any ports by default (installing additional things might change that)
>>55222222
stick a quarter in your ass because you played yourself.
>>55222109
Cept those distros that have a "higher view" on the tech industry and decide to limit what hardware and software is supported in the base install
>>55222291man 5 shadow
man 3 crypt
>>55222308
I see, thanks for clarifing.
>hence the afaik
>>55222308
Firewall is built into the linux kernel. You can install ufw and the gui interface gufw for very simple firewall rules settings.
>>55222254
thanks
my mom's using windows and is on the same wifi network as me. if she is infected with the most potent trojan can it do something on my laptop running ubuntu? also what about android phones?
i am being paranoid because this has nevered happend to me. i think this kind hackers should all be jailed no matter how insignificant their victims are.
you break into someones how uou get convicted
why not when you get into someones network
>>55222276
well actually it happened when i was running windows. i clean installed ubuntu and today i found one of his scribbles in one document. maybe he made it before i switched to ubuntu and i didnt find that then
>>55222312
Nice meme, but free distros don't limit the users in any way in installing soft- or firmware. The point of free distros is simply providing the base with only free software.
How hard is arch to deal with on a daily basis? I know that I can get through the install, I have all night and I'm capable of following instructions and not retarded.
I've used Kubuntu as my primary OS for a while, how much more of a pain in the ass is Arch once I get the GUI and drivers in place? Will I be running into kernel and compatibility problems constantly or does it tend to play relatively nice once it's installed?
>>55222391
I'll just ask you: why do you want to run Arch
>>55222421
Because I want to be with the cool kids.
>>55222427
Arch isn't where the cool kids are
Arch is more like where the autistic kids are
>>55222391
The install is the most difficult 2bh. The troubleshoot can sometimes be a pain in the neck but most of the time the wiki was enough to get me back on tracks.
Also, there's quite a bunch of knowledgeable arch users in /flt/ (not speaking about the meme shitposters) and you'd often get an answer to your question.
>>55222421
It seems interesting. I like the idea of a very minimal installation with only what I need on it. And my new laptop apparently plays better with bleeding-edge distros because of some pretty new hardware
>>55222464
Arch isn't minimal.
A Debian net install is more minimal than an Arch install.
But don't take it from me, take it from one of the devs:
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html
>>55222464
I've been an arch user for few months now and I don't regret the change. I'm not ready for gentoo or source based distro just yet but Arch is a good cram school sort of.
55 dubs git
i,m having trouble with audio in debian jessie. All I get is static and alsamixer randomly mutes streams even though automute is disabled. My mobo has an onboard card. MSI B150M.
>>55219103
>>55222481
>>55222464
>Arch has always been a simple distribution in terms of the developer perspective, not the user one.
>It has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible.
>It has also never been a distribution offering much user freedom / choice compared to Gentoo and even Debian.
>Arch is the *opposite* of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users has no weight here. Only the developers have an opinion, and there aren't voting systems as there are in Debian.
>Arch has *never* been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional features enabled across all the packages, etc.
>Arch is the opposite of a distribution with lots of user freedom. Users will come and go based on whether they like the technical decisions made by the developers. The popularily of those decisions has no impact on how things are done, regardless of how vocal users are about it.
Wew lad.
What's the deal with systemd? What are the alternatives? I'd like to start using Linux but not be cucked by Lennart.
Anybody knows how is the support for the CH340 serial to usb chip? I kinda want to buy a arduino from /csg/, but I don't want to install weird drivers on my system. Does it work out of the box, or should I spend more on a more reliable Arduino?
>>55222453
>>55222496
Neato. Well thanks, I think I'm definitely going to give it a shot. I figure, why not? I like a challenge and even though I need my laptop for work I'll still have a Windows 10 partition to do all that in while I get Arch configured correctly
>>55222564
there are no alternatives unless you are living in the past
Why do Arch users claim that installing Arch tells you anything about "how Linux works"?
Arch doesn't differ with any other distro, except that you partition your drive and install your desktop and packages yourself eg: No graphical installer.
How is this 1337. Even the newest newfriend can run terminal commands from a guide.
>>55222564
openrc
>>55222589
Just let them roll with it, it doesn't affect the rest of us
>>55222576
Good luck mang
>>55222391
One everything is set-up, you don't have to do shit.
Just do apacman -Syuevery now and then and you're fine.
>>55222589
because 90% of arch users are autistic children
this wasn't always the case
>>55222564
Only a few major distros force you to use systemd. Use a distro that allows you to uninstall systemd or use one that doesn't use it by default like gentoo or slackware.
>>55222542
Ah, well, seeing how Arch's main goal is to provide un-adulterated upstream packages, most of what you typed out there, in no way serves as a defense to your ass blasted opinion.
>>55222651
>replying to the systemd is bad reddit meme
>>55222670
What opinion? I was quoting the dev in the link the anon provided and including a frowny reaction image at my disapproval of its philosophy.
Calm your tits sparky
>>55222679
>Hating systemd is a meme
>Linux should not have choice, everyone should be forced into one init that has major feature creep among other problems.
>>55222696
Nobody is forced. Go away, memer.
>>55222708
On that list 5 major distros force you to use systemd. It's only a matter of time till linux has to use systemd in every distro.
>>55222696
Did you ever asked youself why so many distros adopted systemd and did you researches about the topic yourself? I guess not. You're just parrotting memes.
>>55222696
systemd fans should just use Windows, they'll feel more comfortable
>>55222564
Take the time to watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WipM3SAYqK4
17:10 onward
>>55222564
>>55222744
And by the way, watch it all. He pulls a switcheroo on you at the end by telling you what's good about systemd.
>>55222730
Bribes? Threats? Idiocy? Laziness? I guess we'll never know.
Seriously, using something from the guy who wrote pulseaudio? Not funny m8
>>55222727
f you can't change your init system because of lacking knowlege - ok, but don't say that anything is "impossible" or "forced". Don't like that systemd is shipped with the "5 mahor distros"? Don't use them. It's the choice of the distro devels, not "the evil force of systemd".
Why do I still have the Debian 8 login screen after upgrading to Debian 9 (testing)?
>>55222708
systemd is already a done deal.
we are currently at phase 2 of GNOME OS, where GNOME will want you to install all your apps as flatpacks, thus making all distributions obsolete for distributing packages and all other DEs useless.
>>55222771
>he mentions pulse audio in a bad light
Oh, you're one of those. Everyone stop replying, you'll get nowhere
>>55222788
Im not going to use johnny's fork of a fork of a fork that dosent have systemd.
It's RHEL owned. It is only a matter of time.
>>55222794
You won't get it until Debian 9 becomes the new stable
>>55222801
Go away Lennart
systemd has killed Linux
You can't code for shit
I want to install Debian Sid, what's the best way? Can someone link me to a guide? All I can find are guides for installing stable (and then adding sid repos). Is this the actual way of installing sid?!
>>55222827
What grand things have you coded to help Linux, anon
You could spearhead a revolution
What's that? You've done nothing? Can't even code?
Oh, my bad
>>55222589
>Why do Arch users claim that installing Arch tells you anything about "how Linux works"?
I'd say a large percentage of the Linux community has consulted their wiki at least once to fix any number of issues with whatever distro they may be using. That being said, the Arch installation guide recommends using the wiki throughout the installation process. How is this not learning how Linux works? Are you discrediting the Wiki for whatever distro you're shilling for too? You have clearly fallen for /g/ tier memes and need to get out more. Arch's claims only pertain to installing without a gui, and in no way do they claim superiority over any other distro.
>>55222839
I don't like to brag
It's valid criticism
No matter by whom
>>55222837
Yes. The proper way of installing Debian Sid is to install Debian Stable (ideally a netinstall), and then when you boot it up, edit your sources.list file located in /etc/apt/ with the unstable repos (google how to do this, it's in the Debian wiki)
And then you aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade and you're done, you're on Debian Sid and living the dream
Where the hell are the funtoo ISO images?
>>55222874
Okay, thank you. Will join the party soon!
