It's finally here! Sienkiewicz! The Demon Bear Saga!
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thanks op!
>>83838526
SHIT'S GETTING REAL
FUCK YOU ALVIS
FUCK YOU
WHY DID NOBODY WARN ME THIS WOULD HAPPEN
AGHHHHHHHHH
RIP in peace Sigurd, you were too manly a Lord for FE.
And shit, RIP everyone else too. Holy Macaroni, what a tweest.
What happened? I really did't want to buy the best New Mutants story but now I have to!
>>83838714
This is the best depiction of Professor X getting shit. Dat ink spatter.
>>83838753
>best depiction of Professor X getting shit
And we have so many to choose from
Wait wait wait, that fuccboi isn't Sigurd's son, right? He's practically a trap! Holy shit.
Damn, is that Aira's daughter? Like mother like daughter I guess. Woof.
>>83838784
I really need to start checking my posts before I hit Submit, spellcheck doesn't help.
Anyway, sorry for the off-topic rant, this game threw way too much at me in too little time.
What a fucking page. There's so much goodness in this story, especially art-wise.
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>>83838683
I LOVE THESE PAGES!
>>83839245
The artwork is fucking top notch, but that's just me stating the obvious.
>>83838990
jesus
>>83839409
>The longer she lasts, the better her chances.
So the longer she doesn't die, the better her chances are that she won't die?
>>83838526
I hate this new art style. but I have to admit that it works really well with Dani.
>>83839515
>hating on Sin-KEV-itch
Bruh.
>>83839573
my favorite artist that I try not to talk about on /co/ because I always have to look up the spelling
>>83839610
Heh.
>>83838955
> but BEARS?
you never know when you'll meet Mrs. Gradenko
>>83838990
> the exact moment Sienkiewicz transitions from Neal Adams to Ralph Steadman
and it was glorious
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Iunderstoodthatreference.gif
>>83839573
Some people can't appreciate stylization in any form, it's depressing.
>>83839409
> Alfred Hitchcock and Peter Lupus, for no reason whatsoever
>>83839686
I fucking love the map of the Badlands.
>>83839785
It's fine here, but before long it gets out of hand and then Sienkiewicz leaves the title.
>>83839936
> sweet little bairn Rahne
remember when she was reintroduced years later with no accent or dialect whatsoever because the new writer was lazy?
>>83840010
I think during this run the stock price for Higgins went up due to how much black ink Bill used. I mean, Mike Mignola probably looked at this and said "tone it down a bit bruh"
>>83839904
I don't remember it ever getting out of hand. My only problem with it is that after Sienkiewicz leaves everything else seems bland.
This arc is so good, it almost feels like Claremont was waiting for a new writer to really breakout with this group.
>>83839825
It's such a strange idea, almost like a health bar, but it works.
>>83840044
> and then they did jack shit with Corsi and Friedlander except for some really dreadful stuff coming up
>>83839971
Was that when she was a hot biker chick who also had long hair? Because I feel like it was more of a case of the writer thinking she was lame or wanting to make a new character but deciding to change an old one instead.
>>83840063
I love that Healer's costume is just standard wizard yet he's with the Morlocks
>>83840122
>the writer thinking she was lame
More like the writer not wanting to bother learning Scots dialect. The same thing happened with a Silver Age reboot of Blackhawks and the less said about it the better.
>>83840086
>everything else seems bland
Bret Blevins was great, but he's during Simonson's run
>>83840044
I legitimately had no idea raceswapping was a fetish until I read Claremont.
>>83840170
> Buhalis lettering
so close to Tom's
so close
In case it's not obvious these women look older than teenagers because they're the women working in the Bullpen. Weezie is Louise Simonson, the others I forget.
>>83840148
HI WEEZIE
>>83840205
And when Legion shows up it won't be the last fetish these two poor fuckers have to endure
>>83840222
the one with dark hair getting hit with a pillow is probably Nocenti
OH FUCK BEST STORIES HAPPENING GET THE FUCK IN HERE
>>83840272
Empath. I don't think Legion fulfills any sexual fetishes but perhaps some intellectual curiosities.
>>83840044
>original enchantment
If it's an enchantment then can't Illyana break it with her Soul Sword?
>>83839367
imagine if Fox owned Carol as a part of the X-Men franchise (I think they have the Starjammers and Shiar), Marvel would have to push Black Widow
>>83840364
Yup, you got it right and I didn't.
>>83840383
It was complete bullshit and Claremont had no clear idea what he was going to do with these characters.
>>83840383
Nevermind, I kept reading.
>>83840406
Maybe they'd push Monica-oh who am I kidding
>>83840459
Offerings to the Celestials like that other time it happened?
>>83840205
There's something ... unwholesome ... about someone using the word "legitimately" in a sentence where Claremont is a noun.
>>83839409
Cute couple
Did we ever get around to finishing Dazzler's ongoing or was Tuesday's storytime the end?
>>83840584
The word 'legitimately' is the weird part of a fetish discussion?
Usually legitimacy is only weird when discussing cuckold fetishes.
Yo, Internet, can I post? Pretty please? Thanks.
Sorry about that, captcha wouldn't show up for some reason.
>>83839342
Yikes, not the best drawing of Carol. Why is she in Binary mode when they are just looking at the scanner? Her huge power glory/Saiyan hair looks annoying to dodge when you are within a few feet of her.
>>83841301
Tin Selleck
Jerry Seinfeld
????
Michael Jackson
>>83841416
...Sting?
>>83841416
Sting
>>83841416
> Seinfeld
It's John Travolta.
>>83841416
Kazuhira Miller
>>83841461
> as he drew this page good old Bill thought to himself 'You know what? Fuck the artist that has to draw this character after I leave'
>>83841498
Confession time: I have never, ever liked Warlock.
>>83839139
Being a paramedic in the Superhero center of the nation must be a damn trip.
"We've got a mutant girl, dressed up in Indian cosplay, was mauled by a two story tall bear that may or may not be the product of her own insecurities projected through her powers."
Seriously.
>>83839538
This hospital has huge hallways.
>>83841535
I love him. Along with Sam and Dani he's my favorite New Mutant
>>83841587
> Sam sleeps in the nude
ok then
>>83841535
I'm curious, why not?
>>83841605
He brings nothing to the table and aliens don't belong on a team of teenage mutants ("but he's a mutant teenage alien"). He's Doug's dog for all intents and purposes.
>>83839205
Roberto, what do you want him to do. Put an APB on a bear the size of a damn house, yet leaves no tracks and has evil glowing eyes?
I'm not even sure if there's a proper police code for that, even in the Marvel Universe.
>>83841605
> warlock's face
Too good for this world
>>83841661
Also notice how within an issue or two he'll stop using the first person singular altogether and come up with cornball variants on "self" for no reason.
>>83841535
I like the idea behind him but I don't think he fits with the New Mutants. He and Illyana both have the power sets/backgrounds of characters in solo books, not a team book
>>83840195
>yes girls, yes, bring as many of your female companions as you can.
>>83841702
>He and Illyana both have the power sets/backgrounds of characters in solo books, not a team book
Definitely in Illyana's case.
>>83841645
>but he's a mutant teenage alien
He is though
> He's Doug's dog
What's wrong with some Scooby and Shaggy teamwork when the cast is already a bunch of teens?
>>83839367
It's great watching Sienkiewicz just go absolutely mad here.
>>83841724
> like in "Elfquest?"
> get out of my fucking house
>>83841728
I disagree. After Limbo what Illyana needs more than anything else is to be around people. Anything that helps her feel "normal" and not like the Darkchild
>>83841653
Roberto's the kind of person who does handle feelings of helplessness well. That's also why he's all NOBODY WILL OPEN THIS DOOR WHILE I DRAW BREATH when Sam just asked to like, lean against it.
>>83841823
> and then because his first contact was with Rahne, Warlock spoke like Grant Morrison forever
>>83841645
Does a demon sorceress belong on a team of a teenage mutants? Or a Valkyrie for that matter?
>>83841792
Not solo in the sense of being alone but solo in the sense of being the sole focus of the story. Spider-man has a supporting cast but he's a "solo" hero. Same with Wolverine's solo books. It's not fair to a character like Cypher or Cannonball to get dragged through demons and shit all the time.
>>83841853
that was kind of the point, Claremont couldn't leave well enough alone with the characters and kept embroidering things onto them that weren't characterization or personality traits
Shit, where can I find scans this good? Scans I was reading were fucking garbage.
>>83838874
YAY, WARLOCK
Second best New Mutant.
That's all for today, more New Mutants tomorrow!
>>83841883
>It's not fair
It's not fair to be born and mutant and hated because of it either.
The New Mutants are more than just a bunch of teenagers with X genes it's like Rahne says in this page>>83841823
>>83841899
The bowl of dog food really makes this picture
>>83841898
Oh, you're one of those people.
>>83839624
>It's simple, we're on a rough sketch of a Heavy Metal Album Cover
>>83841936
I don't mean in-universe fair, I mean storytelling fair. Characters should be put in positions that allow the writer to explore them. Demons 'n shit doesn't really do that for Sam or Doug beyond "holy shit demons".
>>83841685
He does that in this issue too. >>83841855
>>83841969
Right? The X-Men are more than just the whole " hated and feared" angle.
They go to space and fight aliens, the battle a dinosaur man in jorts in a jungle hidden below the South Pole, they get transported to a Robert E Howard Sword and sorcery storyline at one point.
It can't be Sentinels and the Brotherhood all the time
>>83841996
Demons and shit very much does it for Rahne who was told her whole life she was the spawn of the devil for being born out of wedlock and then believing it when her mutant powers manifested
>>83841535
Get out.
>>83838990
Here's my Bill Sienkiewicz story: I was working at a convention two years ago where he was a featured guest. He actually had a scheduled panel all his own on the last day of the convention. Anyway, the appointed time arrives—and no Sienkiewicz. Half an hour passes and still no Bill. By this point, the venue is already full of fans (I'd worked the convention before, and it was one of the better attended solo panels). After about 40 minutes, the lead event organizer heads up to the stage and apologizes to the audience and says that Bill won't be making the panel after all due to feeling unwell because of the change in time zones or some such nonsense.
The audience grumbles—one woman complains that she drove a whole day just to meet him—but they leave, 'cause what can they do? I linger a bit and I overhear the organizer is fuming. Like a lot of the bigger cons, they paid for Bill's flight and hotel, paid him an appearance fee, and set him up with a table to sell sketches. Apparently, the real reason he wasn't able to make the panel was because he had partied too hard the night before during the Saturday after-party. The organizer says they'll never have him as a guest again (the company handles some of the biggest conventions in North America).
It was a real shame, cause he was a real good dude the times I passed by his table, happy to talk to fans even if they weren't buying anything from his table.
>>83842018
Why the hell do you assholes always have to start this shit?
We get it, you don't think bigotry is ever a problem.
Now get over yourselves, because that's not the message the X-Men comics push, no matter how much you push it here with these shitposts.
>>83842033
For that matter you get characterization for Amara and Roberto in how they feel about fighting back against people transformed into demons.
>>83842096
You're in for a rough ride buddy, because all the weird shit is only starting
Oh I bet you just HATE Excalibur
>>83839686
To render the Demon Bear slightly less horrifying, I reccomend imagining it playing out this movie scene of a bygone era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqyQfjDScjU
>>83842096
I like the "hated and feared" stuff too, I just don't see why they can't have variety.
>>83842151
marvel needs to get more of the Original Writer's Captain Britain on Unlimited. i want that background for Excalibur
>>83842243
Or just collect it again. There's a 90's reprint I've been trying to find called "X-Men Archives Featuring Captain Britain" that's just all of Moore's stories. I already have most of Claremont's Excalibur run in floppies. If I can get the reprints and then the Davis issues I'll look into having them custom bound
>>83841416
Albert Wesker.
>>83841915
That's a little gay.
>>83838990
This is gonna be the movie
>>83841344
>We're going to turn you into a fairy princess.
When Illyana says that you can't be sure you won't end up with wings and a crown.
>>83840044
>The nurse and policeman were turned into American Indians
If I didn't havePsylockeas an antecedent, this would be the stupidest shit I ever heard.
>>83841416
Guile
>>83838974
As a bear I find this depiction racist and showing us in a bad light. We only kill people who deserve it.
>>83838856
I find Wolvesbane and Phoenix 2 here too similar looking in civvies.
>>83841439
Do they think that Roberto is a complete idiot that they have to remind him that he isn't invulnerable every time he uses his powers?
>>83840077
That was really cool. Thanks X-Anon.
>>83841602
He's wearing a towel, so most likely he was in the shower or bath.
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>>83841283
Mags epic BTFO
>>83841821
Roberto might not be part the Hellfire Club if Roberto weren't such a hothead.
>>83847093
He has to get fished out of the drink by Scott's ship captain friend.
>>83845695
Can you blame them?
>>83842033
That's why i didn't mention Rahne. Look at what happens when they go to asgard. Doug ends up being some dude's bitch.
>>83847875
>Doug ends up being some dude's bitch
Well, that's because he's Doug Ramsey
>>83841301
Tom Seleck, John Travolta, Sting, MJ
I always had the feeling some of these unknown girls were modeled after real people. This one in particular: Manoli, red and blond hair. Years later, as the X-Men faced The Adversary, the reporter is a young adult named Manoli, with red and blond hair.
Out of curiosity, i googled "manoli x-men new mutants". I found out the character's full name is Manoli Wetherell. I google Manoli Wetherell, I find an IRL redhead woman. Coincidence?
>>83851624
Manoli the reporter from X-Men 226
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>>83839867
These scenes look terrifying. I don't know if it's the eyes, the uneven teeth, or the use of color, but something about it just works.
Also, good storytime, OP. I'm really loving this.
>>83841393
Story of my life. I did exact the same thing with a cousin, and the only difference was that beside the gut punch I got kicked in the shin too.
>>83851624
>I always had the feeling some of these unknown girls were modeled after real people.
It's relatively clear that Sienkiewicz was using photo references a lot early on, and he weaned himself off the habit as he grew more comfortable with his art.
As for names, Claremont is friends with a few NPR people which is why Neal Conan gets namedropped on a few occasions. Manoli (the real one) was/is an engineer there.
It's a recurring thing in Claremont to have literal inserts of himself and his co-workers/friends:
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Man-Thing_Vol_2_11
>>83845695
Yes, he's the second youngest and at this point still driven by the death of his girlfriend. He thinks first and acts second
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>>83850055
One of the main thins in new Mutants was Claremont's idea that not all of these kids were cut out to be superheroes, some would stay and some would move on with their lives and find jobs or some other use for their power. In Asgard, the ultimate warrior culture, Cypher pretty much gets branded as not up to the task while Sunspot decides it's the ultimate life for him
>>83841416
I have been to Sting shows and I thought it was Val Kilmer. But it is 100% Sting for sure.
>>83841587
this makes the Whedon retcon of Warlock being a highly intelligent multilingual spy of Sword look much less stupid.
>>83853559
You mean Lockheed
>>83853751
yesm I meant that.
>>83841602
Doesn't everybody?
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>>83850055
Anyone should be proud to have Cypher as their bitch!
Thanks X-anon.
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>>83858274
>i am Doug Ramsey, human-mutant relations
>>83863758
Hilarious and fitting. A pity that Doug was part of the crew too early to occupy a public relations role since Xavier was still operating under secrecy.
>>83852881
>One of the main thins in new Mutants was Claremont's idea that not all of these kids were cut out to be superheroes
I think I would have appreciated that point better if Prof. Xavier had looked at Doug and said "What the fuck is he doing on this team" at least once.
You could make a case for keeping him away from the Massachusetts Academy (private schools don't name themselves after the states they're located in btw), but even then that's pretty weak. We never get scenes of Kitty forcing Doug to go through the Danger Room and training him in basic self-defense, and that always felt pretty implausible for Xavier's school.
And then, quelle surprise, Doug goes out like a bitch in combat, leaving Xavier to have to do that thing he hates doing, brainwashing grieving parents.
It didn't help that he had a really bland personality and a power set that in a world of flying, reality warping, magic-using, building lifting, punch-from-the-punch-dimension punching people, stood out as the least possible of the bunch (infer a complete language from a sentence).
He was cute but that wasn't enough to sustain a character. Also, having him be a computer genius kind of stepped on that being one of Kitty's strengths.
