Need more hard yaoi like Sensitive Pornograph :(
Where can I find more?
You could try legend of the blue wolves but its more bara than yaoi
>>2226716
dont fucking watch this dont ever watch it ever i would unwatch it if i could
>>2226755
i agree -2/10 would not recommend
>>2226899
it's vile, disgusting and not sexy. you wanna watch a big fat guy get his tiny dick chopped off, be my guest.
>>2226948
Sooo Ichi the Killer level of WTF? I thank you for the warnings, even though my curiosity is going to make me watch it anyway.
>>2226716
This gif has better quality than the actual video or maybe I just keep finding shitty rips of it.
boku no pico
I've been waiting for something like Sensitive Pornograph for years (Almost 10 years since I first watched it) and no luck at all. Sucks that they only focus on manga and never on shows. I envy the hentai :(
>>2227437
I'd rather not go to jail tyvm.
>>2227440
hentai fans are so fucking spoiled, they have literally hundreds of titles to choose from that are all explicit and catering to every fetish under the sun and nowadays a lot of them are actually well animated.
yaoi fans get thrown a little bone every once in a while and it's always 30 seconds of incredibly tame softcore humping buried in 30 minutes of boring plot.
i'm honestly so salty about it.
>>2227468
jail? what's boku no pico, and how could it get you sent to jail?
>>2227640
it's a shota anime that might be illegal in some countries.
>>2227642
oh, gross. thanks
Here anon, try one of these out
http://myreadingmanga.info/yaoi-anime/
>>2226977
Well there is a straighter gay sex scene at the end, but yeah one character gets raped by a fat guy.
The sex scene at the end was pretty damn good tho
>>2227514
The good thing about liking hentai too is this. But then again, that's also why I didn't watch yaoi anime for a long time until one of my friends got into Love Stage and wanted me to watch it too. It's terribly sad that the only hentai levels of explicit yaoi anime is Sensitive Pornograph (I don't think Boku no Pico classifies as yaoi, that's an entirely different demographic). I hope the No Thank You!!! OVA has plenty of sex to compensate a bit.
Aaargh, what enfuriates me the most is that so many fucking straight eroge get at least an animated episode or two but the only yaoi games that got an anime were Enzai which got two OVAS and DRAMAtical Murder where there was only a kiss. Seriously, I couldn't masturbate to any yaoi anime except for Sensitive Pornograph and Hey! Class President. Goddamnit! Fucking Rape! Rape! Rape! and Euphoria got 3 and 2 OVAs respectively; I really hope the NTY OVA becomes the holy grail of yaoi anime.
>>2228279
You should watch the dmmd ova, if you don't mind it's rapey. Just tongue kissing and some very softcore sex but it's still something.
Also there's hyakujutsu no bara...And again, rape. We're never gonna get explicit consensual fucking, are we?
>>2227514
JFC, someone gets it. God, I watch hentai every once in a while because a lot of my fetishes are nonexistent in yaoi. But I just get so freaking bitter by how much there is of it. There's pitiful scraps for yaoi and it pisses me off. Sometimes I do want a little romance or cute fluff but not all the time. Where's the rape? The humiliation? The total objectification of swathes of men? And don't get me started on mind control/corruption. God I hate those image manipulations, they all look stupid and do nothing for me.
/rant
I like forceful yet sweet and careful sex that at first looks like rape but then turns to be blissful, pleasant and good for both parties involved and in the end is crowned with true love between the two. Too much fluff and consensual happy stuff is boring, drama is good. Real rape, humiliation, bad endings etc. are disgusting, I want my happily ever after. Yaoi is one of the few genres where my desires are fulfilled perfectly, hentai and other genres for men too often go for either of the two extremes which I don't like, yaoi on the other hand keeps a nice balance.
So I'm very happy with yaoi. Okane ga Nai, Junjou Romantica and Sekaiichi Hatsukoi have been my favorites for years, if I have children I will pass them on to my daughters. Hybrid Child is good too.
>>2228347
>Where's the rape? The humiliation? The total objectification of swathes of men? And don't get me started on mind control/corruption.
Do you not like reading Doujinshi or vns there is alot of stuff like that
Where did you even find Sensitive Pornograph uncensored? I've been searching for it and I never found the full video :|
>>2228398
I'm not them but even if I play games and read doujinshi it's not enough for me. Seeing an animated version of a game I like is beautiful. Why the fuck isn't there a Hadaka Shitsuji OVA at least? That would be glorious. And, honestly, I liked Zettai Fukujuu Meirei/Absolute Obedience, and would have preferred if it got animated instead of Enzai, but at least the latter got a couple of OVAs, and that's good.
>>2228351
honestly i just want to see animated guys fucking. that's IT.
i don't want pansy shit where i can't see any dick. i don't want shitty animation that can be measured in seconds per frame instead of frames per second. i just want raunchy, animated man-fucking and it virtually does not exist.
when is some studio gonna have the fuckin gonads to animate some mentaiko or something?
>>2227514
Same here fellow anon. I've seen nearly all yaoi anime I could ever find, and it pisses me off there's so little good stuff and more for yuri/hentai instead.
Are people really bothered by it, or not find it to have much of an audience or something? It's not fair.
>>2228668
>>2228644
On-screen penises are far less important to most women than feeling the characters' feelings, emotions, love, passion and burning desire. Your scene needs to be erotic, not just mere porn like in hentai. On-screen penis alone does absolutely nothing for yaoi's audience, you need a passionate, emotional, good love story too. Women do not work like men who just see a tit bouncing and that's enough for them, you need much more than that to arouse a woman. That's why hentai is like it is and yaoi is like it is. If you want stuff for gay men, make a new genre that's not yaoi but I think it will be too niche to be financially sustainable.
>>2228691
This. On-screen penis isn't important, the characters' emotions are and they must be the emotions I myself want to experience. I can do without the former but not the latter, that's why hentai where it's just random fucking does not satisfy me at all, it's just boring uninteresting shit not worth my time and attention.
>>2228691
>>2228692
>inb4 retards take that as "sex isn't needed in muh erotica"
Nah, sex is absolutely needed, otherwise the story is boring. But it needs to arousing to me and to be arousing to me it needs passion, devotion, desire, love, obsession that appeals to me, etcetera etcetera. It needs to satisfy not just my groin but my heart and my ego as well. Hentai doesn't do that so no, hentai is shit and not good at all.
I want porn, not just some lame story you put together. Watching/reading yaoi becomes more about mild entertainment and less about fapping. Legit, I'm female and I give no fucks about the story. (Often [but not always] they are cliché and poorly written, anyway).
>>2228697
I'm female and the story is far more important than random boring shit porn. I don't even get aroused if there aren't the right feelings involved.
>>2228691
>If you want stuff for gay men, make a new gente that's not yoai
>but I think it will be too niche to be financially sustainable
lol have you never heard of bara/men's love anon ?
>>2228705
Yes and if yaoi is niche bara is like super double niche. That's why there's no bara anime.
>>2228700
I don't even get what's so difficult to grasp, the seme just needs to be madly obsessed with lust and desire for the uke and of course this mad lust and desire need to turn into lust/desire that's still ruled by the seme's love and devotion for the uke, so that the uke is never truly in danger. Of course the uke needs to eventually reciprocate those feelings as well, I understand needing time, trials and tribulations to see if he's the one but I hate eternally wishy-washy ukes, a good uke should fight tooth and nail for his seme and protect his seme in turn. Dunno why men have so much trouble getting something as simple as this, it's so easy and natural to me.
So the final verdict is: Many women here want yaoi with a story (which so many yaoi anime execute badly) and need feelings to get aroused by the sex, but less women (including myself) want to see more animated gay porn.
But I don't think it's fair there's so many series and OVAs that appeal to the first group of women while there's so little for the latter group of women (and gay men). Don't make this all about yourselves, not all women want the same. For example, I'm a women, and I fucking hate this >>2228708
but apparently my opinion isn't as popular as that one.
>>2228810
I don't even think we're rare. I have tons of female yaoi fan friends and they're all tired of the same crap over and over again and just wanna see some guy get a facial or something already.
>>2228810
>>2228860
I get the sentimentality that comes with fluffy fluff stories and loving partners and love triangle drama butnotreallysinceweallknowwho'sthe'true'seme, but I'm honestly just bored with it since that's all there seems to be. Sometimes, I just want the porn and don't want to fast-forward through a bunch of bs plot to find it. Like, both kinds of yaoi are valid, so I just wish they were catered to more equally.
>>2228875
>Like, both kinds of yaoi are valid, so I just wish they were catered to more equally
Fucking exactly.
>>2228875
>Sometimes, I just want the porn and don't want to fast-forward through a bunch of bs plot to find it.
Same here. And then when you do fast forward, you get a tasteless sex scene that lasts about five minutes. Maybe, since it's porn, they should put more erotica throughout the ENTIRE thing. Yes, that is do-able. Where are the innuendos, accidental crotch shots, etc? If they can do it in straight porn, they can do it in gay porn. They just don't because the assume most of us are that group of women who care about the story side of romance. Even though we explicitly asked for hardcore porn. Maybe make us more aroused throughout, eh?
>>2228810
It all comes down to the fact that your taste is the minority's taste.. They have bigger numbers, and they make/receive more porn catered to them. If you want more, try contributing to your side.
As an artist who posts a lot of slash shit online, and really likes drawing super explicit porn, I've found even though fans seem to be clamoring for it, non explicit erotic art and fluff is usually more popular. I think, honestly, most people are fucking scared of dick. People can read the most hardcore raunchy sex scenes in fanfic and be like "Ooh yeah bdsm, eat out his ass, cum on his face" but if you draw them a picture of it they get so embarrassed they throw their computer out the window. I get asked all the time by young artists how to get good at drawing porn, and I tell them to look at reference, and then they're like "oh my i'm too embarrassed to look at REAL porn *blush* can you just send me a tutorial by another artist who has also never looked at a photo of an actual penis plz"
So yeah my point is that yaoi fans who like the fluff and romance are actually the majority because they are not dirty shameful sinners the same way hentai fans are. So that's why there is plenty of shit for them, and there has never been a delicious bara anime.
Plus it seems like studios there are pretty homophobic and it's a chore just to find ones that'll even do a good job on the shonen ai shit, much less anyone who is gonna do a good job on hardcore sex between adult-looking men.
>>2229403
Well fuck how can I "contribute"?
>>2229425
I don't mind explicit dick. But I still wamt plot and feelings with it. Dick alone doesn't cut it, period.
>>2229425
That makes no sense since tons of yaoi fans also fucking love japanese gay porn and viceversa. A lot of jgv is specifically catered to women and it's completely different from western gay porn.
The issue is not the visibility of dick or not, it's that the dick alone isn't enough to satisfy me. I want feelings, and not just any I want the feelings *I* want, and I want story too.
Are you people saying romanticized rape is fluff? Because that's what's most popular. Rightfully so, it's got the best of both worlds.
>>2229668
> romanticized rape
I can handle the vanilla lovey dovey stuff, I can handle the hardcore rape and gore stuff, but I can't handle the bullshit where the uke is a spineless bastard who is magically in love with the rapist of a seme. It's not even the situation itself, because I enjoyed Harada's After School Pervesion, but the way the situation is usually portrayed (romanticized). Yaoi Logic just kills my libido and fills me with so much rage. I feel like I'm losing braincells just reading that kind of shit.
This also applies to overdramatic shojo by the way. Some MCs are just so ridiculously stupid. I don't even know how to describe their stupidity at this point.
>>2229672
>After School Pervesion
I mean After School Perversion. I also fapped to that Kirito gore doujin twice, lol. I don't think of myself as a picky person, but the more mainstream yaoi mangas annoy me a lot.
> end rant
Blondies
>>2229672
I hate lovey-dovey vanilla crap because it bores the shit out of me and I hate gore shit because it's disgusting. Romanticized rape is the perfect mix of thrill, excitement and safety that I want and look for in my porn. It gives me a good tingle in my vagina and a good feeling in my chest and mind no other porn does. You just have shit taste. Kill yourself.
>>2229663
>The issue is not the visibility of dick or not, it's that the dick alone isn't enough to satisfy me. I want feelings, and not just any I want the feelings *I* want, and I want story too.
So you like most yaoi anime, right? Meanwhile, there aren't any besides Sensitive Pornograph that satisfy us, people who just want hot and perverted gay porn. I dont know why you're complaining, we're just saying that it's a shame there aren't any more anime that cater to us and we want more.
Yeees, we already know you can't get off to yaoi if it doesn't have romance, a specific kind of feelings involved and/or plot, we GET IT, you don't HAVE to like mindless perverted gay fucking like we do, you have your own tastes, I have my own tastes, other people have other tastes.
>>2228691
>Your scene needs to be erotic, not just mere porn like in hentai
erotic:
>of, relating to, or tending to arouse sexual desire or excitement.
>arousing or satisfying sexual desire
erotic can be ANYTHING that gets you horny. It could be mere porn where two strangers accidentally touch their bulges while on a train and can't do anything about it, and end up fucking in that same spot because fuck it all, or in your case it could be probably a deep kiss between two lovers you got to know before. Different people, different tastes, senpai.
>>2229672
Why wouldn't he fall in love with the rapist though? I like his character and I like the way he rapes, it's sweet and it gives me lots of pleasurable feelings and good orgasms. In fact it makes me wish I were with him instead of the uke. Just declare the uke a tool for self-insertion as it is since sjws seem to think inanimate objects have actual feelings while the readers don't.
>>2229692
What's so exciting about it? 99% of the time, the characters have the personality of the blandest of cardboard. It's like there's 1 formula that is reused countless of times. Maybe if you read it for self-insertion, I could see why you find it enjoyable, but self-insertions are so boring. I don't want to be in the situation, I want to see other characters suffer or feel happy or whatever. I want to be WITH them, I don't want to BE them, if that makes sense.
TLDR; Excuse me if I want the characters to think and reason, instead of just reacting to asinine situations.
>>2229804
I don't care to be a voyeur for other people's lives. Either something has a value to me, for myself, or I don't care for it at all.
Is it possible for someone to reupload this? Henai by Harada:
http://115.com/5lb/5lberkyicssk
http://115.com/5lb/5lbd32vsi7dx
hope someone can :c tnx so much
>>2229822
I find it more interesting to view these characters are sentient and doing their own thing, than as a shell for me to insert myself in. I self-inserted a lot when I was in my pre-teens, but I now find my own life stimulating enough so I don't feel the need to replace it with something else. Hence, when reading novels, I now tend to prefer third person narration to first person narration. When self-inserting, don't you feel limited when only the situation/universe has changed? Don't you want to see how different people react to different situations too? When writing self-inserts, the character in question tends to have a limited range of emotion because they have to appeal to a wide audience.
>>2229891
>all that projecting nonsense
Holy shit you're desperate.
Don't see where you got the first-person narration thing from, I've never liked that either. I like third person better too. Doesn't stop me from caring only for what has a value for myself rather than just any crap.
It's extremely narrow-minded and rude of you to wrongly presume about other people's lives because they like what you don't like. The one who sounds unstimulated here is you, with how desperate you are to convince me to abandon what I like rather than you just accept it and move on. It's just not working, little anon. Learn to live and let live, your whining about people with different tastes from you is very hypocritical considering the posts above you just whined about different tastes not being respected.
Vanilla is boring and gore is disgusting. I want a good medium that satisfies me and romanticized rape is just that. I don't care for pure vanilla, nothing that is presented is interesting or entertaining enough for me and the man is lacking in what I want. And I don't care for gore either, I don't get a kick out of seeing a bunch of random strangers suffer endlessly and I certainly don't want that for myself. With romanticized rape though? I get all the thrill of being the recipient of pure, raw lust and desire from a man I desire too, as he has all the qualities I want, and all the safety of being the recipient of absolute love and devotion from a man I love and adore too, and for whom I only want fulfillment and happiness.
>>2230044
>Why wouldn't he fall in love with the rapist though? I like his character and I like the way he rapes, it's sweet and it gives me lots of pleasurable feelings and good orgasms
This. I don't care about the uke, it should act as I want and not be too annoying, but other than that it's just a means to an end. It's the seme I want. He makes me happy and therefore I want him to be happy. I wouldn't even call it rape if it weren't for retards bitching about useless non-existing people, then again if that's rape then rape is good.
Tl;dr I care what a story can offer to me. Vanilla and gore have nothing I want.
>>2230044
Chill, anon, I'm not telling you to do anything. I'm just trying to understand the appeal in romanticized rape/self-insert ukes. It's irritating to read for me, so I just wanted to know what people saw in it and whether their reasons were different from the ones I had when I was younger (preference for 1st person for easy immersion, imagination gone wild on 'living another life', etc.). I'm starting to see that your reading of the stories are more seme-centric though, if I'm understanding you correctly. Why yaoi though? Wouldn't you get that same dynamic with het couples? Is it just because two hot guys are better than one?
>>2230064
>needing 1st person to immerse yourself in your imagination
>thinking if you immerse yourself in imagination you don't like your life and can't use imagination to enrich it
You are weak.
>Meta bullshit thread still up
I just wanted more animated porn :(
>>2230096
>easy immersion
>easy
Are you saying it's easier to immerse yourself via third person or...? And yeah, that's the reason I did self-inserts when I was younger. I'm not saying that's why everyone does it, I'm saying that's why I did it. I was really bored and wanted strong fantasy situations to make things interesting. But later, I started to enjoy more realistic, grittier settings. I feel like there's still an endless amount of interesting things I can 'read' from real life without enriching it with anything.
>>2230325
>I started to enjoy more realistic, grittier settings
So you're a teenager still in their grimdark phase. Hmm-hmm.
>I feel like there's still an endless amount of interesting things I can 'read' from real life without enriching it with anything
That's nice but I've heard enough bullshit talk to get you have nothing remotely relevant or interesting to offer. Come back when you've at least matured enough not to get pointlessly mad at the dreams/tastes/interests/etc. of others.
>>2229672
>who is magically in love with the rapist of a seme
All right nigger, why WOULDN'T he fall in love with the rapist of the seme? The way he rapes makes me feel fucking good, it gives sensations in my vagina no other man does. I masturbate to being raped by him too, fuck if you call that blissful sex rape then rape is FUCKING AWESOME, FANTASTIC AND GOOD. I fucking love his character and personality too and I vastly prefer him to the spineless uselesse passive "I'm such a nice guy" loser that deserves to get beaten to death, the unsatisfying piece of shit. I see no reason for the uke not to fall in love with such a perfect guy like him and if he really can't appreciate he needs to GTFO the story already, annoying piece of shit characters like that deserve to get tortured to death.
>Yaoi Logic just kills my libido and fills me with so much rage
LOL gtfo bitch, if it weren't for rapey yaoi I wouldn't even have had an orgasm. Rapist semes should be blessed, their work is God's work and they make me fucking happy. Sex where the man doesn't actually show how much he lusts for the uke like in romanticized rape doesn't turn me on in the least. I don't want to live in a world where useless bitches in need of a beating like you only want crap that's either too boring or too disgusting and doesn't please nor satisfy me at all.
>>2230385
>pointlessly mad
>implying I'm even remotely mad
At this point, all you're doing is throwing ad hominems so I guess we're done here. Maybe re-read my posts on a later date to realize that I'm not trying to attack you; I'm just expressing that I dislike the trope and that I would like to understand what makes it appealing to other people.
>>2230395
What's so hard to understand?
>>2230393
> Rapist semes should be blessed, their work is God's work and they make me fucking happy.
I agree. It's not that I don't like aggressive semes, it's that I prefer the ukes to be just as aggressive. An uke that just accepts it is unsatisfying to me (this includes weak, practically non-existant struggling). I like it when they're adamantly unwilling when it comes to rape. But I guess that's a turn off to some people? Is it because it makes it too real, I dunno.
> you only want crap that's either too boring or too disgusting and doesn't please nor satisfy me at all
Yeah, I only want those. But I don't want to take it away what you like from you either. Too bad there's a limited amount of money and producers who make animated yaoi, really. I help out where I can, but I feel like it's still pretty unfunded.
>>2230396
I kind of answered in >>2230398, but mostly just... why would you want to see characters who might as well be a piece of cardboard for how much they affect the plot. The semes dance around the ukes like the uke is the Holy Grail, but the ukes are just a recipient or mirror for strong emotions rather than a source itself. It's not like these type of characters are necessary in order to have a ravishing seme, right?
The light questioning on self-inserts ties in with the above since self-inserts require a character who doesn't display much emotions to avoid clashing with the personal values of the self-inserter.
>>2230397
> what is taking the time to read properly and reply
>>2230398
>I agree. It's not that I don't like aggressive semes, it's that I prefer the ukes to be just as aggressive. An uke that just accepts it is unsatisfying to me (this includes weak, practically non-existant struggling). I like it when they're adamantly unwilling when it comes to rape. But I guess that's a turn off to some people? Is it because it makes it too real, I dunno.
Why would they be unwilling to something that good though?
I don't want them to be actually unwilling since I'm not unwilling to have sex with the seme, I just want them to be hard to get. I like it when my self-insert does "weak, practically non-existant struggling" as you call it because that's what I do to encourage and incite my boyfriend to keep doing what he's doing since I'm fucking enjoying it, and I enjoy it even more when I pretend not to because it's flattering to see him keep going anyway. He can tell from my mannerisms and voice that I'm not serious and my mannerisms ad voice aren't different from those ukes'. I don't like it when they're adamantly unwilling because I'm not interested in seeing people get raped, really raped not "delicious sex that looks like rape but feels fucking good and makes me fall in love with you you wonderfu dreamy person" "raped".
What you don't seem to get through your thick skull is that nobody here sees that as rape and it's only because of whiny bitches like you that people call it so. I don't want them to just accept it, the seme makes me happy so I want the uke to fall in love with him and return all that love too. In the end the uke should be a reflection of my feelings and my feelings are nothing but joy, love and affection for such a good person as the seme.
>>2230400
>good
Well, I enjoy the seme's actions because I take some sort of sadistic pleasure in watching characters suffer/go through drama. But I am not the uke, therefore my pleasure is unrelated to the uke's sentiments of distress or fear. These negative emotions, I feel, are appropriate seeing as what the uke goes through in the story is actually rape.
> that's what I do to encourage and incite my boyfriend
> I'm not serious and my mannerisms and voice aren't different from those ukes
That makes sense, actually. The difference is that you know your boyfriend and developed a relationship with him, while the seme is usually some new guy who decides his wants the uke's body (and sooner or later, we discover, heart). I consider it rape because the uke is pressured/forced into the sexual relationship. I digress; yeah, I can see why the relationship would seem like threatening if you replace the seme was a long-term object of affection/desire.
> In the end the uke should be a reflection of my feelings
But don't you want him to do more than reflect it? Like to project it by initiating, pursuing, actively seducing, etc.? The coy 'come and get me' act could still work if the uke baits him in and cuts him loose.
>>2230399
Because I don't see ukes like that as pieces of cardboard. And it's definitely not easy to make a good uke like that. You sound like you're just whining the characters don't fit your personal expectations, tough shit anon. People create and read what they like, not what you like.
>>2230402
>not easy to make a good uke like that
And it's easy to make any other kinds of ukes?
>personal expectations
Perhaps it's just me, but I don't like seeing useless characters. I find these characters to be empty, half-done. I couldn't buy a Christmas gift for them and feel 100% sure they would love it. You're whole and faceted because you're a person, but they're empty because they need to contain a person. Since I don't self-insert with the uke when reading these stories, I feel like they're lacking something.
>People create and read what they like
That's true, but some people create what makes money and some people read what they dislike because they're out of new, preferred reading material.
>>2230401
>Well, I enjoy the seme's actions because I take some sort of sadistic pleasure in watching characters suffer/go through drama.
I don't. I get suffering in order to attain something greater, no pain no gain, but suffering just for the sake of suffering has no appeal to me at all.
>But I am not the uke, therefore my pleasure is unrelated to the uke's sentiments of distress or fear.
I don't see any real sentiments of distress or fear though. What's drawn on the page is pure raw pleasure, the faces they make are of people in bliss, they're the face *I* make when I'm orgasming. Outside of the sex scenes I see happiness mixed in with some reasonable anxiousness which gradually goes away as things get more and more familiar, just like in real life.
>These negative emotions, I feel, are appropriate seeing as what the uke goes through in the story is actually rape
So you're just projecting them or exaggerating them into the story even though they were never existing or relevant?
That's something I've noticed whiners do, they build up their expectations on a false impression only to get mad when the author bitchslaps reality in your face and shows how wrong you were all along. No, truly negative feelings are not appropriate since they're not the feeling I want. A story that goes like you suggest does not interest me.
>>2230401
(Cont)
>That makes sense, actually. The difference is that you know your boyfriend and developed a relationship with him, while the seme is usually some new guy who decides his wants the uke's body (and sooner or later, we discover, heart). I consider it rape because the uke is pressured/forced into the sexual relationship.
Then rape is awesome and good, because that sexual relationship is just what I want. The uke needs to shut the fuck up and do what I want, or I have no use for him and his story. I don't care if he's pressured or forced since the way he's pressured and forced is sexy and arousing to me, and therefore good.
PS My boyfriend was a new guy to me too when we started our relationship.
>But don't you want him to do more than reflect it? Like to project it by initiating, pursuing, actively seducing, etc.? The coy 'come and get me' act could still work if the uke baits him in and cuts him loose.
I don't want to bait or cut anyone loose though, wtf. That's dick behavior, I hate that shit. Someone who loves that much deserves to be loved back, and since they make me feel loved and happy they deserve to be loved and happy in turn. The seme being the long-term object of affection/desire isn't a threat, it's my end goal. Of course I don't think that should be easy though, that would fall into the boring uninteresting shit spectrum of things.
>Like to project it by initiating, pursuing, actively seducing, etc.?
No I like it when men do that to me, not when I have to do that to men. Men who act like that tend to be like women. I'm not into other women.
>>2230405
>Perhaps it's just me, but I don't like seeing useless characters. I find these characters to be empty, half-done. I couldn't buy a Christmas gift for them and feel 100% sure they would love it. You're whole and faceted because you're a person, but they're empty because they need to contain a person. Since I don't self-insert with the uke when reading these stories, I feel like they're lacking something.
I don't find those characters to be empty or half-done and I don't consider them useless, I don't even get how or why you would do that. Your mindset is so weird.
>I couldn't buy a Christmas gift for them and feel 100% sure they would love it
Funny you would mention thay because people have been saying that about me all my life, "I never know what to get you because I'm never sure if it would make you happy" until they've learnt to just give me money so I can get myself what I want. Money's always a welcome gift.
>>2230406
>>2230407
>projecting them or exaggerating them into the story
Are you saying that the uke doesn't feel any negative emotions? That he doesn't initially feel frustrated about the seme's insistent attitude? That he doesn't feel some sort of fear when he's cornered by the seme after trying to escape? That he doesn't cry and feel upset when the seme pressures him into a relationship he believes is just for his body? Sure, the seme actually loves him, but the uke tends not to know that during the initial physical intercourse. I see these emotions as genuine.
> My boyfriend was a new guy to me too when we started our relationship.
And immediately, he made it clear to you that he desired your body and would definitely have sex with you even if you said no?
> I don't want to bait or cut anyone loose though, wtf. That's dick behavior
It happens once or twice with the seme though: he loves the uke therefore after entering in a relationship with him, has to cut him loose once he realizes that his lifestyle is too dangerous. Although I guess dick behaviour can be excused if it's in the name of the greater good?
>The seme being the long-term object of affection/desire isn't a threat
No, I meant that he would be seen as a threat if he WASN'T being viewed as a long-term object of affection/desire. The uke usually hasn't known the seme for that long, so I don't see how the uke would perceive a pushy guy as a comfort rather than a threat. Do you see pushy strangers as comforts? I understand if he was a boyfriend you have known for a while, but not if he was the new boss of the division or something.
>No I like it when men do that to me, not when I have to do that to men.
Ah, I guess this is where we differ then. I don't feel like it's a 'have to' though, more of a 'want to and can'.
>>2230407
I don't mind pursuing or initiating things with a man only if I were absolutely sure of his love and devotion toward me and me only, that's why I want the uke to become bold and confident in the relationship when I feel it's time to do so. I don't mind starting gestures of affection with my boyfriend because I'm certain he's the one for me and I'm going to keep him for life, but he still had to pursue me first and I made him chase me around a lot. Also, I still like it better when he's the one to initiate sex, though I'll happily hug and kiss and caress him
(and give him handjobs) during it.
>That's true, but some people create what makes money and some people read what they dislike because they're out of new, preferred reading material
You mean you don't have diversified interests? For shame, girl. You should.
>>2230410
I usually keep a very close eye on my friends' interest so I know what to get them. Nothing really compares to the feeling you get when you get it right and they propose to you on the spot. Money is great though, because you can gift yourself the things you really want. But you have something that you really want, and your loved ones know it. I can't even tell if the uke really wants anything (apart from what he wants for other people). Couldn't give the uke money though, because they're usually super virtuous and would probably give it back. I could give them anything else, and they would like it the same which is like liking nothing at all.
I guess I could compare these uke to noble gases. They don't react. The effect they have on the solution boiling up or changing colour is the same effect you get if you put nothing in. So why put them in, is what I'm thinking.
>>2230414
My interests are really diverse in the sense that I can appreciate a lot of things. If you consider interests as things I'm passionate about though, then of course it's going to be a small pool. Even smaller is the pool of things I dislike (with what we're discussing being one of them). It's just that the thing I happen to dislike makes up a large part of what's available to me.
I read very very fast. Too fast, almost. I wish I hadn't already blazed past so much good stuff. Yaoi is a niche, so yes, there is not much I haven't read at this point apart from the large bunch of romanticized rape stories. I'm probably going to go through them too, on the days when I'm feeling particularly patient and have time on my hands. The main trope annoys me, but it's not like there aren't amusing elements to these stories nonetheless.
>>2230413
Emotions are more complex than that. I get frustrated at my boyfriend too sometimes, but I still love him and he makes me happy, I don't want to be with anyone but him and I absolutely don't want him to change. If some bitch started raving that he needs to change because she saw me at my upset time I'd kill her, the cunt needs to shut up and mind her own business and understand that none of that shit is serious to me and what she's doing is much worse than any small-time frustration that's fucking nothing that I encounter in my life with him. I love him for who he is, all aspects of his personality included, and if he turned into some useless doormat I'd dump on the spot since I don't want a useless doormat for a man. The raving bitch cunt though accusing him of non-existent shit I reject completely and she needs to die already though, I want to beat her face to death.
So no, I don't see those emotions as genuine, when they're presented they're presented as small-time just like my own bumps on the road through life with my bf are minor and small-time. There's never any genuinely negative feelings, at most there's a mix of positive and negative (just like real life) with the positive always definitely prevailing, as it's logical given there's nothing bad about the situation. I see no reason for any negative emotion to prevail or linger in those stories, since the seme is a genuinely good person and genuinely wants the uke's good.
>>2230413
>And immediately, he made it clear to you that he desired your body and would definitely have sex with you even if you said no?
Haha no, at first he was afraid I already had a boyfriend. He did make it clear he desired my body as soon as our relationship got serious though. And as soon as he got I was available and willing to be with him he got a lot more confident, now he likes to surprise rub my tits and ass and I just laugh about it and playfully call him a pervert. He adores me for that. I like being touched by him. I don't want yaoi to be exactly like that though, yaoi needs to set the sexy times fast to satisfy me, I'm not interested in yaoi that doesn't do that. As for saying no, he knows when to take my nos seriously because I mean them and when not to because I don't mean them really, as the semes in yaoi stories are drawn and written to be too.
>It happens once or twice with the seme though: he loves the uke therefore after entering in a relationship with him, has to cut him loose once he realizes that his lifestyle is too dangerous
Are we reading the same stuff? That's never because the seme wants it, but because some jealous third party butts in and starts saying poisonous lies about the seme and his relationship. The most famous example is Sumi from Junjou Romantica; he's the one who convinces Usami to leave Misaki because he insinuates Usami's raped him, while Misaki says nobody's ever raped him and he was willing and he wants to be with Usami. Why does Sumi say so? Because he wants Usami, and therefore he wants to separate Usami and Misaki in order to take Usami for himself. The one responsible for dick behavior here is the jealous third party, not the seme. There's lot more examples like that but they're always the result of some unrelated third party meddling, and always get corrected when the two realize they're NOT better off without each other.
Jesus fucking Christ how are you fucking people still having this boring as fuck argument
>>2230413
>No, I meant that he would be seen as a threat if he WASN'T being viewed as a long-term object of affection/desire. The uke usually hasn't known the seme for that long, so I don't see how the uke would perceive a pushy guy as a comfort rather than a threat. Do you see pushy strangers as comforts? I understand if he was a boyfriend you have known for a while, but not if he was the new boss of the division or something.
My boyfriend didn't know shit about me when he first saw me but he fell in love on the spot, he liked me at first impression. The same goes for me, of course being a woman I had to be more cautious but I took an instant liking to him and allowed him to do things I've never allowed others since they've never impressed me as much. I'm a very, very picky woman with extremely high standards and my bf is proud of that. Ukes are fictional characters though, and therefore they should please me, so your attempt at analogy is false.Yes, I do see pushy strangers as comforts when they're dreamy fictional guys perfect and pleasing in every way and that I want nothing but good for. As I've said, I don't care about the uke, it exists as a vehicle for me to get what I want and therefore should only do what I actually want.
>>2230423
You sound like you have a complex toward people and can only accept them if they have HUUUUUUUGE reactions toward you, That's not healthy. Fuck that shit I've always hated people who expected HUUUUUUUGE reactions from just about any small unimportant shit from me, fuck off nigger I'll give you HUUUUUUUGE reactions if you give me something worth HUUUUUUGE reacting to and nothing you offer is that. Also I don't like nosey people and judging from your posts I definitely don't want you for a friend.
>So why put them in, is what I'm thinking
Because they serve my purpose. Deal with it.
>It's just that the thing I happen to dislike, makes up a large part of what's available to me, blah blah shit blah
You know what's available to you was not written for you, it was written for people who like that kind of stuff, so you really have no right to complain about it that much. I don't complain about vanilla or gore as long as nobody starts bitching about what I like first, and I don't try to change people's mind about it. That's what they like and that's cool, so long as they respect my tastes in turn too. You are not respecting my tastes now though, that's why you deserve all my animosity. The world doesn't revolve around you, stop whining and learn to respect other people's tastes.
I don't see the point of worrying about not being able to buy Christmas gifts for people who don't exist.
My dream yaoi these days is one that starts like most romanticized rape ones start, the plot twist being the uke doesn't mellow out but keeps acting like an annoying piece of shit bitch. So a third character appears, my actual self-insert, another bigger seme who's interested in the first seme and not in the uke. Let's call him Seme 2. Seme 2 is very loving and tender toward Seme 1, but he can't stand the uke who is causing so much pain and suffering to his beloved. So Seme 2 proceeds to expose the uke as the disgusting, fucking irritating hypocrite piece of shit he is, destroys his life, destroys him psychologically, and for utter and complete satisfaction does some physical stuff too - punches and kicks his ribs broken, beats him on the head with a crowbar until his skull is destroyed, kick his stomach so hard he pukes out blood - that kinda stuff. Of course, mine and his hatred are that strong and won't settle for less than utter obliteration. Then, once the uke's reduced to a dying sack of human waste, he throws him into the trash where he belongs to die alone. Seme 2 then comes back to Seme 1 and the two live happily ever after.
>tfw no story like that yet
Sigh. At least I can create them myself.
>>2230450
That's what I want to happen in Junjou Romantica. The uke always at first seems to mellow out but then turns to back into being a bitch, and he keeps doing that, mellow out-bitch, mellow out-bitch, mellow out-bitch. It's annoying. It's good that the seme is such a fantastic character and I fucking love him and I want to see him get his happy ending, or I would have stopped caring about that story a long time ago. I would be far more satisfied though if Misaki got the humiliation and NTR he deserves.
>>2230458
I stoppetd reading Koisuru Boukun exactly for that reason. he uke was too annoying. I always wanted to punch him to death for being so violent to a sweet guy like Morinaga.
>>2230461
>stopped
>The
Fuck phones, sage.
>91 replies
>only 2 images
>>2230413
>Do you see pushy strangers as comforts? I understand if he was a boyfriend you have known for a while, but not if he was the new boss of the division or something
>What are hot people you instantly lust for guise
>>2226644
this reminds me of the time I used to play h-games on newgrounds,
one of them had this gif amidst all the straight porn
and this is how I got into yaoi
Lol, this thread annoys me to the bone. You certain prissy cissy females, please stop talking about how much you like the soft lame-brain yaoi. That's great. KEEP THAT. We'll find our own yaoi, thank you. I feel like writing some on the side, just because of this large gap. I've seen some straight porn and it's a LOT better than this shit. Innuendos, bouncing boobs (we need some bouncing dicks), etc. We just need to apply this to our porn. Screw the straight masses. The porn is not interesting to specific people. Anyone else who disagrees (i.e. those who like this shit) can just shut the hell up and go back to whatever soft relationship mush and gush makes them hard (Oh wait, sorry, whatever gives them "VAGINA TINGLES" [Those aren't even a fucking thing, you get hard just like everyone else on this thread. Look carefully. Yes, your clitoris is erect.]) The fact of the matter is that some people get all of the porn. The light heartbreaking shit and the bland hardcore shit. Great. We just need to add more. Specific people want more, and if you aren't part
of that group, kindly shut the hell up about it. Thanks mate, sorry for the salt.
Fuck off tranny, I'll praise whatever I want however loud I want. Your piece of shit kind has no right to silence women who are making THEIR OWN porn to please THEMSELVES. Fuck off and make your own shit tranny porn for shit taste trannies such as yourself and stop leeching off me.
>>2231119
Well, I was merely stating that you don't have to go on a rampage when some of us out there are asking for better porn. I don't know why you're making a fuss on a thread dedicated to people who want better porn. I don't even know why you're watching yaoi if you aren't gay, but you are and we can coexist. But on this thread, this thread meant for people who AREN'T you (soft-core lovers), kindly get off. I don't care if you're male or female or whatever, you don't have to be on this thread if you like the current porn.
And I'm not trans, douche bag.
>>2231176
>not trans
>uses trans slur
>>2231176
But the porn you want is not better, it's worse. It's shit that doesn't satisfy me at all.
>I don't even know why you're watching yaoi if you aren't gay
Yaoi is made for straight women, not for gay men. You're the one who shouldn't be watching yaoi if you're a faggot.
>And I'm not trans
Then why are you using trans slur words? Genuine question.
>>2231186
I'm not cis but I'm not trans either
>>2231186
>Yaoi is for straight women, not gay men
What are gay men to watch? Genuine question. I'm curious. You women have your self-insertive straight porn. Now, what do gay men watch?
>>2231186
>It's shit that doesn't satisfy me at all.
Why do you think we're having this argument? Your favorite porn is shit that does not satisfy me at all. Now, to each his own. You stick with your porn and we'll make more of our own. You don't even have to watch it.
>>2231186
It's not even that they shouldn't be watching it... it's that
>women make porn according to their own tastes and interests
>faggots don't like it because it's made to fit those women's tastes and not yours
>proceed to bitch and call shit something that wasn't made for you in the first place
It's just fucking stupid and petty. Turn to gay men's works and stop leeching off straight women's genres already.
>>2231213
Make sure not to call it yaoi because yaoi is for women. Find your own name.
>>2231216
Gay men's stuff already has its name
>bara
and yet they still bitch yaoi this, yaoi that
>>2231216
>Yaoi is for women
Right, gay men are for women. Be sure to tell all of the gay men that. They can't have their gay men porn. It's for women. They need some other porn.
But fundamentally, this is the point we are getting at. A wider variety of porn. What are we to call it? That is the question. Who's going to know what the hell it is? We already have a term.
>>2231222
I thought bara was supposed to be overly muscular men.
Well, I guess, there we go.
Anyone find any good bara lately? No yaoi allowed. Clearly. It's for females an they don't want any gay men using their gay men porn.
>>2231223
Yaoi has nothing to do with gay men. Yaoi is a female sexual fantasy featuring two males because two males are hotter, just like lesbian porn for men has nothing to do with lesbian but is just a male fantasy featuring two women because two sets of boobs are hotter.
Gay men have their own gay men porn, it's called bara and gei-komi. It's made by gay men for gay men. Stop ignoring it just to bitch about porn made by women for women such as yaoi.
>>2231229
This. Even if one is just a self-insert, and therefore needs to be far more feminine than the other, aesthetically a twink is still much hotter and far more pleasant than another female to me. That's all there is to yaoi.
>>2231231
Do you think lesbian porn for men has anything to do with lesbians abd is not just a male masturbation fantasy? Why should yaoi be any different when it's the same thing with the genders reversed?
>>2231233
I wasn't saying it like that. XD I was saying that it was funny because a porn about gay men has nothing to do with gay men. When it's about gay men. That's the funny part. Porn about lesbians has nothing to do with lesbians, even when it involves lesbians and revolves around them.
See what I'm saying? I wasn't talking about the whole audience thing.
>>2231235
>XD
You need to be at least 18 to browse this site.
>>2231235
It doesn't revolve around gays or lesbians. It revolves around what's attractive to the audience, males for straight women and females for straight men.
>>2231238
Which is also what's attractive to the creators too btw. Sage.
>>2231216
>Make sure not to call it yaoi
>Find your own name.
only western faggots who don't know any better the term yaoi anyway
>>2231238
It was a joke. I understood the first time. I guess it wasn't funny.
I like romanticized rape and possessive, jealous semes. I got a boyfriend who had the confidence to ask me out and pursue me, who loves to initiate sex with me a lot and to play along my noos~ and who makes it clear he's my bf by threatening lots of pain on any male who dares to approach me with weird intentions. It's sexy and flattering as fuck t b h.
>This whole thread
This why /y/ should just be an imagedumps-only board.
>>2231470
Make no mistake he's absolutely loving, tender and respectful towards me. But I still fucking like it that he's the jealous type and as for me he can beat to a pulp any rival he wants. I'll take care of destroying other girls. :3
>>2231229
I'm gay and I jerk off to dicks, bara or not. One nation under cocks.
>>2231489
Amen brother
>>2231470
We understood the fist 100 times you said you like romantic rape we get it fucking chill
Looks like I'm a major oddball on this thread, my yaoi and bara preferences are very sadistic toward the uke. I'm a female but if I ever did "self inserts" it'd be the seme I'd see myself as, not the uke. The crying and screaming of the uke is sexy, and Hadaka Shitsuji is one of my fave BL/Bara games.
Now that's the type of thing I'd LOVE to see animated. Even guro would be hot to me if it followed my tastes of a suffering sexy uke. <3
>>2231930
> <3
end self
What the fuck happened in this thread? I'm not gonna read all that shit, whether I agree with some opinions or not! This has gone out of control! I guess some idiots can't under-fucking-stand and accept that we all have different tastes. And lol at the assholes that confuse anons for other anons. I'm looking at you, >>2230044; you wrongly assumed I was >>2229891, fuck you.
>>2231930
Look, m8, I loved Hadaka Shitsuji too, and I want to see it animated (as I've said before, see >>2228633) but you need to calm down a bit
>>2226755
What the fuck is so bad about it?
