Recently I've become fascinated with black metal. Don't like the vocals but think it's a very interesting genre of music.
Yesterday I read something that the lead singer of Watain said in an interview. He was asked why he thinks black metal came out of Scandinavia. His answer was very interesting. He said there was something "very old and sinister" in the ground in that region of the world.
Thoughts on this /x/? Can certain geographical regions cause people to behave in a certain way? And I'm not talking about the weather. I'm talking about something paranormal residing in certain areas and influencing people's behavior. Just curious to see if /x/ has any ideas or stories regarding this.
>>17676873
Much of Europe is that way, having been formerly pagan and much more into the land. Not saying that pagans are more "into the Earth" but I do mean it in a more literal way. Much of European paganism and even neo-paganism is about the idea of having a spiritual connection with your birthplace and homeland. Christianity came and made another patch of land more important and "holy". Hence the focus shifted from the sacred grove to "Israel". I'll go more in depth if anyone is interested, but it's a deep subject that might help to explain what the singer was talking about.
>>17676888
Please do continue. This subject is of interest to me personally, yet I think you have more to tell than what I know.
>>17676888
OP here. Interesting idea but if you say much of Europe is that way then why did this evil genre of music come out of one concentrated area and not let's say Russia or Germany? Amerifag here and have been to England, Spain, France, and Italy.
>>17676897
Paganism in places like Scandinavia, Norway, and England holds to the idea that I mentioned, of that land being sacred. Especially one's own homeland, property, and "hearth and home". People who talk about defending such things in modern times have very little idea what this used to mean. Add to that the lifestyle of the Norse people, going about and conquering peoples in far off lands, with little time spent at home. This would have added to the sactity of one's own homeland. There is also a bit of a timeless feeling to some of the places found in the above mentioned regions, especially at certain times of the year. Waking up in the morning and seeing the fog blow across the grassy hills, the lakes, the ocean, and even one's own crops is quite a sight. Giant stone monoliths and other stone structures also add an otherworldly feel to a place, which is intentional. One of the principals that I've found in regards to land based spirituality is the idea of time imbuing a place or thing with power or a feeling of the sacred. The Japanese have a notion of mountains and giant objects possessing gods who develop with time. I think there is a hint of truth to this, especially given how even some man made structures can capture the imagination, even in photographs. Look at Stonehenge and even some of the churches built by the Vikings after Christianization. There is something there, it's just hiding.
>>17676899
Scandinavian Black Metal is not really evil, but an attempt to tap into adversary. It's not something one needs to do, but in some cases it helps to develop one's sense of liberty and freedom, especially in generational cases of spiritual slavery. The blood of the Vikings still runs through the people, even if they haven't acted exactly the same way. That explains why they have to use adversarial methods of rebellion against the Christian religion, which is commonly called Satanism by those less in the know and even those who know better. All Satan is could be summed up in the terms of the opposer. Well known stuff, but it gets lost on most. Scandinavia tried to throw off an imposed order through Black Metal and burning their own churches, but that didn't work. It would be far better if they had burned the modern churches, which are more a travesty against the land than the ancient Celtic ones that were burned. At least the ancient Celtic ones had the ancient spirit in them and weren't entirely foreign to the place.
Try listening to gorgoroth
>>17676925
What you're talking about is LaVeyan Satanism. Some of the true hardcore Black Metal artists like Watain are theistic Satanists which is a much more aggressive practice and does indeed aim to be evil. Check out some of the lyrics.
On the other hand, I find what you say about the blood of the Vikings very interesting. I also like your take on the modern versus Celtic churches. I think that they chose the older churches to burn because they felt it would do more damage to Christianity in general.
>>17676940
If they are in fact believers in a real Satan, that would explain quite a bit. Adversarial religion can also function with a literal devil and does quite well in fact. The names change and people have different ideas as to who is the "bad guy" or Adversary, but the idea is intact.
>>17676951
Yes, the theistic Satanists believe in a literal devil. I only know specifics about a few bands. I know Watain are theists and I know Euronymous of Mayhem was. I'm not sure about the guys in the Mayhem of today. The movie "Until the Light Takes Us" is a good documentary on Black Metal although it talks a lot about the metal from the 90's and not today.
>>17676939
Why Gorgoroth?
This is interesting
Ba bump
>>17677139
OP back. I didn't really create this thread to be all about Black Metal but more about the paranormal energy associated with certain regions. But Black Metal is affected by this energy though so I guess it's all tied in. When I was in England I did definitely feel like something was "different". Very hard to explain. The guy from Watain kind of put it in perspective for me. Any other /x/ files from anywhere ever feel this? Any Scandinavians out there?
>>17677152
>. When I was in England I did definitely feel like something was "different".
Man goes to foreign country and feels it is different shocker...
>>17676966
Because the 90s scene was TRVE NEKRO KVLT BLAAK METAL and the scene nowadays are just faggots, other than Abath. And he is a fun-loving kind of guy.
>>17677154
So do you mean the newer artists or are the older ones (Mayhem, Watain, Burzum) faggots now too?
>>17677184
Mayhem died when Count Grishnak selfdefended against Euronymous. And the count lives in peace, as much as cops allow it, in France with a qt wife and kids.
>>17677203
But I thought Mayhem still toured. And you think Varg did it in self defense? What about Watain? Are they legit? From what I've read it sounds like they are. Living in a bunker with no bathroom and doing freaky ritualistic shit at their concerts.
>>17677268
Dead is dead, Euronymous is dead. Mayhem now has nothing to do with Mayhem 20 years ago. It's just one of those things, like The Misfits without Glenn Danzig (not saying that Michale Graves was bad, don't care about the third guy who replaced Graves) or Metallica after the bus crash.
And yes, even though I believe that Varg killed Euronymous, he did so because of fear. Euronymos allegedly told his nates that he intended to kill Varg and that Hellhamer (iirc) told Varg about it. Varg was a psycho and got scared.
Anyways, the scene back then was full of real psychopaths, who knows what happens behind closed doors. I've seen weirder shit than satanic rituals at shows, such as self-mutilation and then rubbing freshly pooped feces on the cuts, a girl giving birth in a moshpit, you know.
>>17677309
Yeah, I heard the Varg/Euronymous stories. I thought Hellhammer was still in Mayhem though.
And dude you've been to some wild shows. Still curious about your opinion regarding Watain.
>>17677443
Not the previous poster, but if you like Black Metal and think Watain is truly evil, you should check out Nastrond. These guys were one of the serious few in the 90s scene. And it progressed throughout the years.
>>17677443
I just think that Watain just fell for the NEKROKVLTGRIMTRVEBLAAKMETAL meme. They don't come from the late 80ies, so they are not mythical like the first generation (second gen of black metal, first gen of scandinavian). Please post their song that rustles your jimmies and I'll try to figure out if there is anything sinister in them.
And yeah, my country and hometown are considered as cult places for HC punk, that's why I've seen some shit, even though I missed out on the peak. The aftermath was still fucked, lol.
And now to finally contribute to the question in the OP, yes, some places are creepy. The norse countries are seen as such because they are vast, barren, filled with thick evergreen forrests and dangereous animals. Combined with a violent history and mythology, you get that kind of (self)destructive mental climate.
The same could be said about Vukovar in Croatia. The place was the ground of one of the worst massacres in 20th century Europe almist 25 years ago. The town is still dead on the inside, and the people are full of sorrow, pain, anguish and hate. You can feel that place. It makes you wanna puke and scream and wreck shit.
>>17677532
OP here. Thanks for the post. Makes sense. I don't know Watain enough to send you anything viable because I've only listened to part of one song. I just think the whole aura behind the genre is fascinating so I read up a little and saw the documentary.
>>17677491
Ok thanks. Any stories you have about them off the top of your head. Going to be busy for the next 45 minutes but I'll be back.
>>17676873
I'm Swedish. I think the black metal mood is influenced by the conditions in nature, the local climate, and sceneries here. The cold, the short days, deep dark forests, mountains, marches, desolation, the way birds fall silent in autumn and winter.
I also remember reading something about sulphuric swamp gas related UFO phenomena in Norway...
If one believes in nature spirits they may have different characteristics in different parts of the world. I have grown up with alot of stories and illustrations from scandinavian folklore. John Bauer mostly, which is similair to Theodor Kittelsen who's illustrations Burzum used on album covers.
I mostly listen to Immortal and Summoning, during the autumn and winter.
>>17676873
I think you will enjoy this if you are interested in norse culture and religion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcjf_p5pDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzeSWEcZ8HE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-ZVkESecXk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFYsuQoi6ew (this is from Russia)
Also, avoid listening to bands like Gorgoroth, Belphegor or shit like that, just a bunch of cringy "satanists".
Also, I recommend you this album, it's not norse-related, but it's pretty spooky and interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Ah4cVlBR0
>>17677577
Thanks a lot. I will check a few of these out in a minute but then have to leave. Will re-visit this thread later to see if it's still up. So far of the black metal I've actually sat down and listened to I prefer Burzum.
>>17677571
Thanks. Interesting stuff. I think I heard an interview with Varg and he said similar things.
>>17676925
that's a fancy way of saying "kids liked bathory and wanted to seem tough"
>>17677184
>>17676940
>>17677491
>>17677532
Watain are very serious. Not once have they strayed from their beliefs since they started out. I have several friends in common with them and they are far from a gimmick, trust me. I've gotten in trouble with them myself. There are also many (violent) stories in the Swedish underground about them.
>>17677701
OP again. I was also the one that thanked you. Holy shit I just listened to one of the Ulver songs and think it's fucking great. Like the vocals.
>>17677721
Can you share any stories or is that not a good idea?
>>17677721
Ayo, ayo, hol up!
So u waz sayin that a bunch of swedecucks are dangereous? And that they are adult men who go around wearing make-up and worship satan? What a fucking laugh
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What happened in Norway in the 90s is pretty tragic if you ask me. These kids really believed in what Bathory and Venom was singing about and it ended with bloodshed.
Some of them really believe what they're doing though, for sure. Varg is a fucking nutjob but he's very dedicated to his ideas.
Many contemporary bands however, are just in it for the image. Some are LaVeyan, some read about Gnosticism but most of them just want to copy the aesthetics of the Norweigan 90s.
Watain are probably the most noteworthy people in the scene today ideology-wise, they're actually really well-versed in Chaos Magic and have close ties to the MLO/Temple of the Black Light. They are not people who you want to mess with. One person related to Watain recently stabbed a guy because he said he was an atheist, don't want to reveal who it is though, as I'm not sure how things have played out.
Source: I've been involved in the Swedish black metal scene for many years and I know people.
>>17677726
Mentioned some stuff here >>17677744
I really don't want to go into details but they are all really fucked up people and they don't hesitate to use violence. Both guitarists have faced trials, most recently for assault I think. Erik might seem calm as he's the one who's deepest in the religious and philosophical side of all it. But in his younger days he was associated with a criminal gang in the Stockholm area and has a pretty violent past. Like I mentioned in the earlier post, they are also associated with the MLO which shouldn't come as a surprise as they share members with Dissection.
>>17677744
>really well-versed in Chaos Magic
That's because chaos magic is Magick for Dummies, and ecclectic and shit. It takes stuff that works, while leaving out the fluff.
I'd like to fight the guys.
>>17677744
Awesome. I'm a practitioner of current 182 and had no idea of Waitans connections with the TOBL. Good to know.
>>17676873
>Can certain geographical regions cause people to behave in a certain way?
Legend has it, Grunge was born out of seattle, wa. because it rains a lot and the weather isn't nice.
>>17676873
Ignore the rest of the bullshit. Here's your answer.
https://youtu.be/BubiZAIWHgU
>>17677770
Yeah well it's still more than what most bm people read up on.
>>17677779
If you make an examination, nearly all of the music that comes from the pacific northwest is generally quite melancholy/gloomy/introspective/downtempo/depressing. Seattle has the most rain as far as I understand, and Washington the highest rates of clinical depression.
>>17677807
I never looked into it but I wonder..if it has/had high rates of clinical depression, surely high(er) rates of suicide/chemical abuse must follow?
Might be worth mentioning that many bands from Socialist Sweden™ claim that government funded rehearsal spaces and music education plays a large role in why the country has produced so many bands.
Combine that with bored teenagers in cold weather that choose to stay inside and learn guitar and play dungeons and dragons.
>>17677794
And blessed they are, for they did not lose their sight.
Seriously, I have shit eyesight from all the reading I've done
>>17676873
>black metal
this "music" is absolute garbage.
>something "very old and sinister" in the ground in that region of the world.
scandinavians also believe that spirits inhabit boulders and that ramadan is a swedish holiday. that's not true either. go figure.
>>17676917
That was awesome.
>"something very old and sinister"
like Cthulhu?
>>17677846
Sweden is so secularized it can't tell their pagan rites from the Christian ones. So many people complain about the supposed islamization of Sweden (which is non-existent by the way), they should look up who really trampled their heritage in the 800s.
>>17677901
>islamization is non existent
Explain.
Definitely check this out.
https://h3llon3arthn3xion.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/hells-on-earth/
>>17677901
> islamization of Sweden (which is non-existent by the way)
keep telling yourself that, sven. click your heels together three times and maybe you'll end up in kansas, too.
meanwhile, europe dies the death of a thousand cuts...
>>17677916
Paranoid nationalists believe that Sweden is somehow becoming an Islamic country which is utter nonsense. Sweden's political system is the opposite of an Islamist regime and our culture is as christianized as always. People seem to think that we're spending millions on building mosques and making halal food but it's all bullshit. Christianity, although secularized, while remain the single religion shaping the country as a whole.
This is too much /pol/ for this thread though, sorry.
>>17677928
This guy >>17677939 is actually right. I mean, I hate Islamism with a passion but if you know what that means, it's easy to tell that's not what's going on in Sweden.
>>17677744
>I've been involved in black metal
So you are a fat fucking pathetic neckbeard sitting in a basement surrounded by pentagram sand inverted crosses, symbols of your rebellion against mommy and daddy. Fucking faggot.
>>17677939
>>17677945
how many jews left in Malmo, btw?
>>17676873
Came late here, and I see that this whole black metal stuff is already well explained, so I can't add much. Todays black metal is crap, I had a one-man project few years ago, and from what I've seen and people I've met, nothing sinister here, just idiots. That doesn't mean they aren't dangerous, however.
About something "very old and sinister". Former friend of mine, decent musician, wrote few lyrics while he was on camping trip. He decided to camp right on top of old slavic burial ground (northern Poland) for some reason. He spend few nights there and never said much about it. This lyrics, and music he wrote for them, were very diffrent from his earlier works, which was just usual crap about satanism, played with repetitive riff. It was dark and ominous stuff.
>>17678006
That's an interesting story. Always love hearing about such experiences.
>>17678006
Oh yeah, what's the name of your former project? I would like to hear some of your stuff.
black metal is, in a word, try-hard kiddie music. boring riffs, retarded drum patterns, and dracula vs the wolfman tier lyrical content that's basically designed to freak out your christian parents.
black metal is garbage degenerate music and anyone who wastes their precious time listening to it is a child.
>>17678025
Well, if you really that interested...
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mordbrann
The split is floating on the web here and there, but quality of my records is really crappy. I have a few cleaner and better recordings, but this is really not /mu/, so...
>>17678006
>. Todays black metal is crap
Clearly you don't know shit. There are still tons of amazing bands.
>>17677744
>Source: I've been involved in the Swedish black metal scene for many years and I know people.
I'm guessing non of them have jobs either.
>>17678084
Well, I should be more specific: musically and lyrically sure, if someone like this kind of a music. Everything else is just crappy theatre. But that's just my opinion, no need to argue
>>17677901
>(which is non-existent by the way)
It's happening all over Europe now. Sweden must have just been the proving grounds.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/668398/Praise-Allah-bus-slogans-get-green-light-just-months-after-Lord-s-Prayer-ad-gets-banned
>>17678107
Dear anon, please take your islamophobia back to /pol/. I mean, come on, it's 2016! And we all know that Islam is a religion of peace.
#notallmuslims
#stopislamophobia
>>17676873
>I've become fascinated with black metal. Don't like the vocals
>black metal came out of Scandinavia
What kind of vocals are we talking about here? Black metal is norwegian and usually growling of the worst kind. Swedish metal has mostly clear vocals and falls in the category of power metal, not black.
Call me picky but if you mean norwegian black metal you should use that label, it's a creature of its own, with the history related to it (church burning, murder and satanism).
Swedish metal is usually christian with crusader themes.
>>17678122
exactly. i don't understand all this hate. i mean, even my girlfriend in stockholm is now sharing her flat with two 27 years old refugee boys. they are muslims and practice the religion of peace, so what could possibly go wrong? you guys are such islamophobes.
#openborders
>>17678122
>>17678193
stop following me /pol/
I left because I was tired of linear memes posted 24/7
>>17676873
There is definitively something bleak and magical about the northern wilderness...
>>17676917
Norway is part of Scandinavia.
>>17676873
Well gravity has different effects in ever region on earth so, yes. Geographical regions may have certain effects on the minds?
Though it's minuscule like give 10 bucks to charity....
The only paranormal factor about anything is the imagination of the mind. We can create and think just about anything base on a template. If your white and secure. your lost. the media has you Barney and all there is no escape. The battle was last before you even knew it! Live with that and bow down to your Money grabbing overlord's.
>>17678222
Bite me
>>17676873
>Can certain geographical regions cause people to behave in a certain way?
Yes, of course it can. Geography is the biological basis for race and culture.
And you'll learn to like the vocals if you stick with it.
>>17678185
>Swedish metal is usually christian with crusader themes.
You don't know much about it at all, obviously.
>>17677831
Very underrated post desu
>>17676888
Coming from Latin American and now living in Ireland I can say that there's a def different feel to the land. Where I come from, things are more magical, the supernatural is out in the open and everyone knows it. In here, everything is coated in years of repression, so it's convoluted and dark.
>>17678036
One day we will all be as grown-up and mature as you. You faggot.
>>17678370
not likely, mate. now go back to listening to your 200bpm hard-death-black-metalic-power song about teenagers urinating on crucifixes. dweeb.
My initial thought reading OP is that it may be explained by climactic rather than ancestral or paranormal factors.
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>>17677744
Are you part of any band or label?
Love Ancient Records stuff.
>>17677532
Speaking of Hardcore, maybe check this band out. Blackened Hardcore. http://youtu.be/d67_CZFKqdY
>>17677768
MLO?
>>17678200
And you came to /x/ of all places! Kek! /x/ is /pol/ but with reptilians instead of Jews
>>17679500
No, /x/ has reptilians AND jews.
>>17679488
my grandma has heard of Young and in the Way
>>17679646
But they call the Jew the Illuminati or NWO here. I like calling them Juden or zionists
>>17678185
>Black metal is norweigan
Fuck off, Bathory, Venom and Celtic Frost are real black metal.
>>17677953
>>17678451
My band is not black metal but one member is involved in a bigger black metal band and that's how I've gotten to know people. Apart from that I've just been going to shows for nearly 20 years.
>>17678099
Well, some of the people I've mentioned are busy being on tour, under arrest, in the hospital or drunk tanks.
Regarding Watain:
It was their live bassist Alvaro Lillo who stabbed a guy from their opening act.
Pelle has been arrested for assault several times but was never convicted. He's also an alcoholic and has been in the hospital for his alcohol/drug abuse.
I'm not sure if it's Set or Pelle that aren't allowed to travel on their US tours because of their criminal records, or if it has been both at different times.
Erik is the calmest but has had several violent outbursts, I don't think he's been arrested though. He had a fanzine called Hellish Massacre.
>>17678036
OP back. I disagree with you about the lyrics. Some are very dark and filled with evil but can nonetheless be somewhat sophisticated and poetic.
>>17678185
I was talking about the vocals in Norwegian Black Metal then. With the growling I can't understand most of the lyrics which is what I want to hear.
>>17677139
They're the best
>>17678392
Read the lyrics you pseudo sophisto. Then realize what an idiot you are and go back to listening to Wagner and Vivaldi. Oh wait. You probably don't know who they are.
As a Finn I'd say it's especially the cold and dark winters that make people here what they are.
Atleast in this country most of the people generally are negative as fuck.
>>17680250
One post here said they're shit. Are they true Satanists or posers?
>>17680283
At least you have cheap booze, unlike Sweden
>>17679891
So you think Norwegian black metal is not "real"? What about Mayhem?
>>17680336
Cheap booze in Finland? Nope.
>>17680336
>>17680344
This.
>>17677532
What country are you from?
Feel free to tear my opinion apart here, because I'm not that into black metal, so I don't know as much as most of you BUT...
Isn't it sort of a similar story to Hip-Hop/Rap? Both started out as ways for people on the edge of what society considers normal, to get the word out about their ways of living. Sure Rap artists were more about being poor, and how living in the hood sucked. But Black Metal artists were doing a similar thing, but more with religion, philosophy, possibly sexuality and so on.
Both had a fairly just cause to support.
But then in Hip-Hop/Rap you had people like Tu-Pac, Biggie Smalls, etc. who changed the tone from getting the word out about hardships in certain communities to "THUG LYFE" and birthing the "Slap a hoe" generation.
Sort of the same thing happened in Black Metal. Bands who actually took their image too seriously turned it into an expression of free thought over various subjects, into something actually dark and evil. Or at least something that began to evoke darker, and more "evil" actions in both the performers, and the listeners.
I.e. Varg Vikernes is to Black Metal as NERGOMANCER is to rap.
>>17677203
>Mayhem died when Count Grishnak selfdefended against Euronymous.
Top kek.
>>17677268
>And you think Varg did it in self defense?
You'd have to be retarded to believe that. Just watch his interviews about it, it's obvious Varg is a lying piece of shit. I think he also killed that other dude, the one who ended up on the cover with his brain out.
>>17677779
>grunge
>Nirvana and Pearl Jam
Any label covering both is bound to be fake. Grunge was born out of businessmen trying to have more than one Nirvana band.
That's all.
Other countries feel different because your brain notices millions of new things and your consciousness cannot focus on all of it, just like you can't be fully conscious of your entire body at once, or all your memories at once. That doesn't make it magical and doesn't turn you into some medium.
>>17678036
This is pretty much it, to be honest.
>>17680344
>>17680358
Wait, isn't booze so cheap in Finnland that they had to put export tarrifs on booze so thirsty Swedes wouldn't take ferries to get booze? I like saying booze
>>17680426
I don't think Varg killed Dead. If anyone did it was Euronymous. And in the interviews Varg actually sounds rational, not obviously lying. But he might be lying.
>>17680422
>>17680426
>>17680464
Varg literally dindu nuffin wrong! He was a gud boi, burned churches, trying to get his life back on track.
I mean, come on! Did you see his cute baby face at the trial?
>>17680459
It used to be. Now the government is raising the taxes in hopes of stopping people from drinking, but they ship it from Estonia instead paying 0 taxes.
Estonia and Russia is where the cheap booze is at.
>>17680056
Set isn't allowed to go abroad.
>>17680500
How are booze prices paranormal?
>>17680056
Would love here some more underground Black Metal stories if you or anyone else is willing.
>>17680510
It's related to the topic. Booze can be a trigger for violent murderers, andis also a factor in the socioeconomic part of the equation in what made blackmetal violent and satanic.
>>17680510
Dunno? How is paranormal paranormal?
>>17680515
Regarding the Swedish scene: Mika Belfagor from Ofermod and Nefandus is (or rather, was, before he found a wife) a violent guy as well. 20 years ago, if that is true, he got convicted for what he and other friends of his deemed as ''niggerhunt'', where he (with other 2 guys) wielded an axe or something and assaulted, well, a nigger (not sure on how many niggers did they hunt down though). He also used and sold heroin and was involved with some gangs as he stated in an interview.
>>17680515
>>17680529
Oh yeah, here you can see his viloence first-hand (it's from the time when he used to be a drummer in Malign, another great Swedish act), somewhere around 13:10 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xKET5C8TDw
>>17680541
Looks like an angry dude.
>>17678036
>dracula vs the wolfman tier lyrical content
My fucking sides. So true.
>>17680569
Have you read any?
>>17678292
If you keep track of all fringe bands almost noone knows about you may have a different view. But that doesn't change the fact most bands known in the sense of being popular in the mainstream are still like what I said.
>>17680419
>Sort of the same thing happened in Black Metal. Bands who actually took their image too seriously turned it into an expression of free thought over various subjects, into something actually dark and evil. Or at least something that began to evoke darker, and more "evil" actions in both the performers, and the listeners.
>Bands who actually took their image too seriously
I think it's the other way around really. Norway is pretty into satanism and worshipping evil in itself. It didn't start with the music, the music is just a symptom. It's not a coincidence Anders Bering Breivik is norwegian.
>>17680503
So what does Watain do when the tour the U.S.?
>>17680441
Grunge was mostly a local thing in Seattle. Then it was appropriated by the rock music press to describe any band whose sound was "Alternative." The original grunge sound referred to bands like Green River, the Melvins, Mudhoney (Mark Arm coined the term itself), The U-Men, TAD etc.... countless others. Refer to the "Deep Six" Compilation on Sub Pop records. Also the Documentary "Hype!" goes far more into detail about the small local scene/local sound turning into a nationwide trend. More recently Soul Jazz records released a compilation called "No Seattle: Forgotten Sounds Of the North-West Grunge Era 1986-97" featuring lesser known groups like Hazel and Spokane's Vampire Lezbos. A similar documentary to look for would be "Spokanarchy!" detailing the evolution of the "weird" punk scene in Spokane, WA in the 80's (as well as other spots in the PacNW such as B.C. and other parts of OR and WA) which was a precursor and influence on the original "Grunge" scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWcZ5fHP80s
Sorry for offtopic, just thought I'd clear that up since it was brought up in a few posts.
>>17678392
If that's the horseshit you were listening to, no wonder you turned out to be such a jizz-gurgling faggot.
So funny. The people that feel guiltiest about shit they used to listen to think that all of it sounds that way and that people who like it are as morbidly fucking dumb as they are.
Black Metal seems to be the go-to music when you want to oppose Abrahamic religion.
The anti-Christian bands we already know, but there's also anti-Islamic Arabic black metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rHeSX06kUs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTvy_mLk6fY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYYCNnvqWaQ
And even Israeli (anti-Judaism?) black metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe2K44YQ32U
>>17680727
I believe they recruit one of the guitarists from the band Degial, whom they have close relations with.
>>17680815
Didn't know this. Interesting.
>>17676873
Black metal didn't come from Scandinavia.
>>17680969
What was the origin? The U.S? I think it evolved though to wear a larger number of black metal bands ended up being Scandinavian.
>>17676873
I'm a black metal fan, it didn't start in Scandinavia although I personally think the image was perfected but bands like venom originated the initial influence. The reason the Scandinavian scene is so prolific is because the kids were bored of dreary, snowy landscapes and some members of the bands may have had a heavily religion/abuse-centric childhoods. I had the boring fields of Canada to influence me and my moms a Catholic hence why I play drums in a blackened-hardcore band. (Need some variation these days but it's fast like black metal.)
>>17678193
They already fucked her, m8
>>17680993
So it actually started in England with Venom?
>>17681102
Yes. Venom, the only decent black metal band ever.
>>17676873
>Watain
They were (are?) members of the Temple of the Black Light - when you hear TotBL are black metal fangirls, it's because of them.
See: >>17670055
Temple of the Black Light
(while many believe that they are simple black metal fans, they try to keep distance from these kind of people; real practitioners are not edgy teenagers)
>they believe in Kaosgnosticism
>Kaosgnosticism, kaosgnostisk Satanism, kaosofi, anti cosmic Satanism or 218-flow, called a variant of Satanism designing this to a Gnostic doctrine
>Chaos-Gnosticism is a spiritual orientation that is based on a dualistic belief system.
>What makes this satanism Gnostic is by seeking knowledge in chaos. This can be done in various rituals or meditation
>According kaosgnosticism man should revert back to the out-of-chaos that gave birth to the universe. In the chaos-gnostic satanism often used kelippot as a tool to explore and seek knowledge in chaos.
>They basically think that the cosmos must be destroyed
>>17681118
Now now.
>>17681159
It's true, the scandinavians pussyfied it with too much treble and bad playing. Power has to have order.
>>17680419
>I.e. Varg Vikernes is to Black Metal as NERGOMANCER is to rap.
Varg was one of the pioneers of the genre. That's not the same thing at all.
>>17680713
The most popular Swedish extreme metal bands I can think of are:
>Meshuggah
>In Flames
>Opeth
>At the Gates
>Soilwork
>Katatonia (early)
None of these are remotely Christian/crusader in theme. I can ony assume you're talking about Sabaton?
