Dark cults
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Let's talk about dark / evil cults.
For example:
Order of Nine Angles
>The Order of Nine Angles (ONA; O9A) is a Satanic and Left-Hand Path occult group
>It advocates a spiritual path in which the practitioner is required to break societal taboos by isolating themselves from society, committing crimes, embracing political extremism and violence, and carrying out an act of human sacrifice.
> ONA members practice magick, believing that they are able to do so through channeling energies into our own "causal" realm from an "acausal" realm where the laws of physics do not apply, with such magical actions designed to aid in the ultimate establishment of the Imperium.
>>17670028
cont.
Another example:
Temple of the Black Light
(while many believe that they are simple black metal fans, they try to keep distance from these kind of people; real practitioners are not edgy teenagers)
>they believe in Kaosgnosticism
>Kaosgnosticism, kaosgnostisk Satanism, kaosofi, anti cosmic Satanism or 218-flow, called a variant of Satanism designing this to a Gnostic doctrine
>Chaos-Gnosticism is a spiritual orientation that is based on a dualistic belief system.
>What makes this satanism Gnostic is by seeking knowledge in chaos. This can be done in various rituals or meditation
>According kaosgnosticism man should revert back to the out-of-chaos that gave birth to the universe. In the chaos-gnostic satanism often used kelippot as a tool to explore and seek knowledge in chaos.
>They basically think that the cosmos must be destroyed
>>17670028
>>17670055
>More info on these two:
Order of Nine Angles (ONA/O9A):
Founded by David Myatt, a former high-ranking member of Nazi gang Combat 18 and founder of the National Socialist Movement. He also later pretended to be a Muslim extremist as part of an ONA "insight role" and entered the global "War on Terror" after some of his writings defending suicide bombing were featured on Hamas' web site. He also inspired a nail-bomber who killed three people and wounded dozens of others.
The ONA encourages terrorism, human sacrifice, internet trolling, gang activity, organized crime, incest, ritual orgies, murder, antisemitism, the veneration of Adolf Hitler, and basically all manner of mayhem in its war against "mundanes".
(https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-scariest-cult-on-Earth)
>>17670065
cont.
Anti-Cosmic Satanism (Current 218):
Came to public attention when one of the founders of the movement, Jon Nodveit (lead singer of popular metal band Dissection), shot himself in the head while sitting in front of a copy of Liber Azerate, a Current 218 grimoire, shortly after getting out of prison and releasing the album Reinkaos, which elaborates the cult's beliefs.
Current 218 calls for the destruction of the cosmos and the omnicide of the human race, and supports evil for the sake of evil. As usual, it supports crime, terrorism, Adolf Hitler (but not Nazism, which in their opinion isn't hateful enough), senseless violence, gang activity, human and animal sacrifice, and just all kinds of interesting stuff.
Although it was inspired by ONA, it takes things a step further in that it doesn't perform evil acts in the furtherance of a set of political beliefs, but rather evil for its own sake, and hopes to eventually destroy humanity through the use of a nuclear bomb.
Perhaps most disturbing of all, it's becoming extremely popular. Dozens of 218-inspired bands have popped up over the last few years, and the metal band Watain, successor of Dissection and staunch supporter of Current 218's evil philosophy...
...regularly sells out at venues around the world...
...and has been nominated twice in a row for Swedish grammy awards, winning once (the results aren't yet back for the second nomination).
(https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-scariest-cult-on-Earth)
>>17670073
>Adolf Hitler
>Evil
When will this meme die?
>>17670098
I read some of their documents (Liber Falxifer, for example) and never saw anything about nazism or Hitler.
They just have an anti-cosmic philosophy, that's all.
transhumanism is pretty creepy if you ask me
dja guys ever wonder what goes on in google or samsung/sony's black labs?
in a related story: do you ever wonder if the comments you read on the internet are written by robots?
>>17670367
>transhumanism is pretty creepy if you ask me
Depends.
Creepy in what way?
>do you ever wonder if the comments you read on the internet are written by robots?
Usually I don't meditate on the Turing test if I read some shitpost on 4chan.
lol
edgy internet groups
what dark is stuff like jonestown massacre
oh and christianity thats a pretty dark cult with a fucked up story
>>17670503
>edgy internet groups
Hahaha, no.
I heard members of the ONA are encouraged to join police and military forces to get into situations where they can kill without breaking the law.
Imagine these guys can be everywhere: your neighbour, a friendly policeman, your brother in arms... anyone.
And, when nobody is watching, they pull a trigger, so they can have their sacrifice.
Let that sink in.
>what dark is stuff like jonestown massacre
Indeed.
>oh and christianity thats a pretty dark cult with a fucked up story
Interesting perspective.
Some says Christianity is a death cult.
They might be right.
>>17670028
Also: I started this thread, because we're talking about the "Elite / Illuminati are Satanists" theory a lot, yet we have no evidence whatsoever.
So I decided to check some real Satanist cults (I mean proper devil worshippers, the sinister ones) to see what they are really about.
Maybe that's a good start to understand the "professionals".
>>17670518
Top fucking kek! How can I join O9A? I want in on that shit!
Or is it just simpler to join the religion of peace?
They do crude devil worship...
The real story is the Luciferians
>>17670654
this, let's talk about some REAL power players like skull and bones or the hidden hand.
I know form some digging that the hidden hand is alive and well and operates primarily out of wallstreet at the present time.
>>17670654
>Lucifer
That word doesn't mean what you think it means in those circles.
>>17670666
Nice trips, bromius.
>>17670518
Christianity is the literal opposite of a death cult. It's an immortality cult.
>>17670682
Then why are there only two named characters who attained immortality in the entire saga?
>>17670701
Have you forgotten the whole host of canonized saints?
>>17670708
They aren't immortal in the flesh.
>>17670648
>Top fucking kek! How can I join O9A? I want in on that shit!
I don't know how to join it.
The problem is: many people believe that the ONA is not active anymore...
The guy who started it converted to Islam, and some says the ONA was just his personal experiment.
Who knows?
If you want infos on this, check their site.
I warn you: avoid ONA if you don't like phylosophical / metaphysical mumbo--jumbo.
I personally like some of their ideas (the metaphysics), but the documents can cause you headaches.
>>17670518
>>17670761
lol
I say again edgy internet cults, crhistians have been killing for christ with the cross on their backs for centuries you kids cant even organize yourselves
killing for christ, a christmas story
>>17670654
>>17670666
>>17670670
Luciferianism is "nice guy" Gnosticism.
The Gnosticism of Current 218 (Temple of the Black Light) is the "bad cop" of this philosophy, but it's the other side of the coin, really.
Luciferianism is not what you think.
It's not "evil".
It's about knowledge - gnosis, not pistis. That's all.
The human sacrifices and "evil" that many discussions on /x/ connects to Freemasons and the Illuminati is "dark gnostic" stuff.
While the ToBL believes in Lucifer = Satan, they are definitely more than simple knowledge worship (and Luciferianism is less than devil worship; it's simply "muh knowledge, the religion").
>>17670761
>The guy who started it converted to Islam
Religion of peace it is, then! It really is the best choice if you want to kill, burn, pillage and rape shit.
>>17670785
you have an incomplete understanding of luciferianism.
>>17670786
Hehh, maybe.
Nobody knows what the founder really wanted.
Myatt always denied that he has anything to do with the ONA.
But it's common knowledge that the so-called founder called "Anton Long" is in fact David Myatt himself.
>>17670792
Enlighten me, then.
(I'm serious, please tell me more)
>>17670785
"Lucifer" is not an angel or a proper name used in Scripture to refer to any supernatural being.
The word is Latin for "light bringer" in reference to a Babylonian king. In the writing of the KJV, it was incorrectly translated as a proper name.
>>17670807
Exactly.
And that's why Luciferianism is not "satanic" or "evil".
>>17670774
People have killed for nearly every ideology; people are fucking insane.
>>17670774
>>17670811
That's why I find these "dark cults" very interesting.
Because while this
>People have killed for nearly every ideology; people are fucking insane.
is absolutely true, "normal people" (and most religions) try state the opposite.
... while these cults embrace the dark side of man's nature.
Is it scary? Is it weird? Honest, maybe?
I thought it'd be a decent /x/ thread.
>>17670829
I wonder about their history and their results. They believe fully in these forces as well as in their results. And as for as horrific as their crimes are, they are immersed in politics and rarely caught.
>>17670829
>"normal people" (and most religions) try state the opposite
The second largest and fastest growing religion says Hi!
>>17670851
RELIGION OF PEACE
>>17670858
#notallmuslims
#stopislamophobia
>>17670848
Well, they're relatively young traditions: TotBL started in 1995, the ONA is from the '60s (or from the '80s, who knows).
But these are just two traditions.
Are there more sinister cults out there?
How ancient can they be?
>And as for as horrific as their crimes are, they are immersed in politics and rarely caught.
You're talking about the Illuminati / Elite, right?
I guess there are "evil" people in politics and other public places, but I suspect they're not necessarily part of dark religions or sects.
Most of them are probably simple psychopats.
>>17670065
Based David Myatt to be honest family
>>17670682
Roger Morneau (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ird-BKuPRlw
lenghty video, the good stuff about luciferianism is the first hour) said christianity is basically Necromancy when they worship life After death
>>17670785
the high up evil stuff like child rape and sacrifices is to ritualistically strenghten the negative polarity and use it for their gain
>>17670928
>and use it for their gain
How?
>>17670965
sacrifices release the spiritual essence attracting scavengers demons/jinn/ghost's whatever, basic black magic. Also there's the psychological effect of traumatizing new recruits to keep their mouths shut ect.
The hidden hand material is very interesting to read even if it's a hoax it gives something to think about deeply.
>>17671058
Thanks for the info!
I'll check this Hidden Hand stuff.
Definitely add in Tempel ov Blood. They are a paramilitary occult group with ONA influences
>>17671113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPM02V6gtBA
There are also alleged serial killers cults (such as the hand of death in Mexico) as well as cult connections to the Dutroux case in belgium
>>17670794
Luciferianism is like Gnosticism with some important exceptions
All wisdom begins with submission to the gods.
Luciferians are primarily concerned with chaos and order, order being like a snake or penis, chaos being like a vagina or door way. both chaos and order are studied extensively but all is one in the light bringer prince of darkness.
ordo ab chao
nothing is true
as above, so below.
there are forces in this world, and if you do things for them, they'll show you things, they'll show you things you wouldn't believe.
>>17671124
>the hand of death in Mexico
Do they worship Santa Muerte?
>>17671789
Interesting info.
Can you recommend any books on this?
also
>there are forces in this world, and if you do things for them, they'll show you things, they'll show you things you wouldn't believe.
Sounds pretty Lovecraftian to me. :D
>>17670518
>I heard members of the ONA are encouraged to join police and military forces to get into situations where they can kill without breaking the law.
Using order to cause disorder? That is like one step forward and two back.
>>17671113
I checked their sites and they are definitely a very, very small group of 2edgy4me people who follows something ONA-ish.
A few months ago I read some articles from their sites... they are weird.
Now I checked their blog again and found this flawed logic in one of them:
>do Satanists need to join ISIS?
>should they join ISIS if Myatt / Long would command them to do it?
>ISIS is "evil", it's Satanist, because it goes against the grain
>so yeah, they should join ISIS
>oh, and many Satanists wouldn't do so, because they're coward conformists
First of all: if Satanism is about going against the grain, then why the hell would anyone obey any authorities, even if it's the leader of their cult (or whatever they call it)?
And if it's about being "evil": I thought Left Hand Path is about glorifiying the self - then why is it so bad if there are "conformist" Satanists who don't want to die among muslims or kill in the name of Allah?
Ok, ok, many anti-cosmic Satanists believe that the ego is bad, and you have to let it go, be free (many logical flaws here, again).
I know.
But still, it's just stupid.
And if causing mayhem is their goal, then why wouldn't they let other Satanists to choose their own "evil"?
Tempel ov Blood sounds like a bunch of idiots.
>>17672778
I guess they want to avoid prison.
Also they want to corrupt the systems they infiltrate.
But yeah, you're right.
>>17670028
bump
>>17670028
>let's talk about cults
Okay, how about this, is there one good cult that isn't full of shit?
>>17670073
I heard Watain's Satanism was all a front and they just do it for their image. Was that misinformation?
>>17670367
Yeah just look around for this comment...
No one is being paid to shill for Hillary, it's a Republican - funded lie and a pathetic attempt to smear her campaign
Literally all over /pol/ and /b/
>>17670666
Got me curious on the hidden hand any source you can link too?
Also nice fucking paranormal trips well rolled anon
Also trips of truth
Bumping a good thread doing the lurk
>>17673499
Aren't you familiar with the notion of meme, as should be expected from someone browsing a kazakh message board for chinese cartoons ? ?
>>17673534
Are you autistic?
>>17670503
Fun Fact: Jones was an atheist.
And every religion that is older than 100 years has a dark history bro.
>>17673544
Aren't you ?
>>17673571
Really? The I'm rubber and you're glue come back gtfo... kek
>>17673475
I think they're serious.
>>17672784
From what I gathered from the texts I have read, the idea is to invert oneself on every level (especially if it means conforming if it goes against their nature). Many TOB members also served in the military as described in their MSS. In like with the ONA philosophy, performing acts of evil aids the Dark Gods in opening nexions. Historically speaking when the ONA was active, David Myatt openly supported Al Qaeda as an insight role and to aid the sinister dialectic. In some ways they are even more extreme than the ONA (if indeed the stories are true)
>>17673898
Yeah, I get it.
Still, serving gods that you've never seen, obeying cult leaders and joining insane religions just to open portals for those unseen gods... I don't know, man.
I heard that the anti-cosmic theory of the 218 current is, in fact, evolved from the ONA.
While ONA is contradictory and full of paradoxes / logical flaws, the ToBL has a more mature and logical philosophy.
Only my 2 cents, of course.
Anybody know if there's any truth to the Sons of Baphomet 1 satanic cult killings in Mexico or if it's just tabloid trash and a bunch of Mexicans claiming to have killed for Satan for the edge factor?
>>17672784
>If Satanism is going against the grain
Yes, Satanism is staunchly the path of the Adversary and focuses highly upon individuated holism. Not only is there cultural precedence, both mass and sub, there is also a wide plethora of specifically Satanic literature, romantic, theological, philosophical, which examines and embraces the meaning & beauty of the freed self.
>I thought the LHP was about the glorification of the self
While Satanism is LHP, the LHP is not Satanism. That is to say, the LHP does not determine precisely upon what Satanism focuses, providing only a general foundation upon which to build the path of the Adversary, and cultivate the individual into a self-realized divinity. As Stephen Flowers described in his Lords of the Left Hand Path, the LHP takes into account the desires of the individual towards liberation, empowerment and independence.
The Left Hand Path focuses upon the conscious and liberated path the adept takes in this realm, while Satanism takes this individuation and exemplifies its intensity towards intentional manifestations of the divinity within and without, maintaining a focus upon a Satan of sorts. While Satanism doesn't necessitate political anarchism, its presence constantly points towards ideological anarchy, where the individual, understood as their own god, carves and shapes their reality to manifest their desires. As the ONA, TOB, MLO have recognized, this process is aeonic and transpatial, meaning that this all-perfecting determination and resistance is not limited to any particular modus operandi.
>anti-cosmic Satanists believe that the ego is bad
Yes, the ego is considered an aspect of manifested psychosocial masks stuck within the mundane which human subjects borrow in their relations with each other. Chaos gnostics believe that the azothic essence inherent within all ought to be fully liberated apart from material limitations. Chaos gnosticism is necessarily transcendentalist.
>>17672764
Check this out
http://www.whale.to/b/henry.html
>>17674451
Thanks for the quality post, Anon!
>Yes, the ego is considered an aspect of manifested psychosocial masks stuck within the mundane which human subjects borrow in their relations with each other.
I think many people describe the ego as a "psychosocial masks", but - in my dictionary - the two are not the same.
While I can understand how someone wants to transform him/herself into something non-human (more human? less? - a more liberated being, I guess), he/she will still have an ego.
If you have no ego, you're not an individual.
If you want to transcend your limitation, it's still YOU.
>>17673561
>Jones was an atheist.
Sure he was. No true Scotsman, eh?
>>17670701
Because I said so! That's why.
REKT.
>>17674526
> "... a Mephistophelean guru who had the unique power to persuade others to murder for him, most of them young girls who went out and savagely murdered total strangers at his command ..." ----Vincent Bugliosi describing Charles Manson
Wow...
>>17670711
>in the flesh
Christian immortality doesn't occur in flesh. It's just another hippy dippy false higher consciousness faggotry that advocates becoming a parasite for some "higher" egocunt.
>>17672784
>First of all: if Satanism is about going against the grain, then why the hell would anyone obey any authorities, even if it's the leader of their cult (or whatever they call it)?
Thats the catch 22 to any "satanic" organization when you approach it from an Abrahamaic perspective. How can you listen to someone telling you how to serve when your deity was cast out because he refused to? And if youre just an anti cosmic who serves chaos youre pretty much just an anarcho nihilist who likes wearing robes.
>>17676481
Yeah.
Also many serial killers / psychopaths with "satanic" tendencies work alone.
They have no cult leaders or gods.
>>17676441
What is Cain? And Christ is said to ressurrect in the flesh, and his power as god makes him immortal.
>>17676725
>his power as god makes him immortal
Jesus died a long time ago. He might have come back once, but he died again after that. He never made good on his word in that regard.
>>17670065
>The ONA encourages terrorism, human sacrifice, internet trolling, gang activity, organized crime, incest, ritual orgies, murder, antisemitism, the veneration of Adolf Hitler, and basically all manner of mayhem in its war against "mundanes"
Sounds like a /pol/ack desu
>>17676725
>What is Cain?
It's funny, because Liber Falxifier (a series of books by the 218 current) is mostly about Cain.
They believe he was the first enemy of the Demiurge.
... and yeah, the first killer. That's why he literally conquered death (or even became death itself).
>>17676750
>Sounds like a /pol/ack desu
kek
But while the average /pol/ack does nothing (just talks), these mofos are actually killing people.
>>17676725
>>17676749
It's like you two forgot about the day of resurrection when everyone gets their bodies back.
>>17676759
>this cult is mostly about death and rebirth
>everything will be fine after you're dead
>then someone will resurrect your body
>it's totally not a death cult
>>17677192
As it was pointed out before, it's an immortality cult.
>>17674793
Most people point to Jones' cult as an example of Christian dogma gone batshit. Which it was not. Jones, like many cult leaders had different beliefs than what he taught. The difference being, he had very few real spiritual ideals. He was mostly looking for power over others. Which is common in cult leaders, yes. But most are not totally atheist or non-spiritual. Jones was simply unique in that he didn't believe a word of his own bullshit and only wanted his own little population to rule over.
Manson (off the top of my head here) comes closest to being that way, but even he had a few spiritual/dogmatic biases he believed in.
So it's not really a "No true scotsman" argument. Rather, it is just pointing out a unique trait in Jim Jones that is often overlooked and harshly misrepresented, as it is used to show how "bad" religion is. Despite it being a cult run by a guy who has no real religious inclination, and simply brainwashed desperate/stupid people.
>>17670098
I'm sure Hitler was just absolutely lovely.
>inb4 who were the real architects of The Holocaust
>inb4The Holocaust didn't happen
Interesting thread, though.
>>17677248
>being a cult run by a guy who has no real religious inclination, and simply brainwashed desperate/stupid people.
Kinda impressive, if you think about it.
>>17670098
>>17677792
ONA members believes that it's time for humanity 2.0, and that's why they're fascists.
But fascism is not about being a national socialist.
I think they idolize Hitler as a "world burner", an "evil" person.
>>17677213
>As it was pointed out before, it's an immortality cult.
From a certain point of view.
If your religion tells you that you're gonna be totally immortal... but first you have to die, then it's a death cult.
Sorry, pal.
>>17680207
Every religion is a death cult. Everyone promises rewards and/or punishment in the afterlife
>>17680228
I disagree.
religion
Pronunciation: /rJˈlJdʒ(ə)n/
noun
[mass noun]
1 The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods
1.1 [count noun] A particular system of faith and worship: the world’s great religions
Sauce: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/religion
Religion, in general, is about suprnatural forces, not death.
bamp
>>17673561
>And every religion that is older than 100 years has a dark history
Islam doesn't.
>>17674526
Fucking nice Anon some great, jaw-dropping info here...
>>17680865
Found the mudslime! You will be reported to/pol/ and visited by a
RIGHT WING DEATH SQUAD
>>17680873
Your computer has been infected.
>>17676758
To further elaborate on this, as a 182 practitioner.
Eve was impregnated by the serpent who was called Nacash. The Nacash was the union of Satan and Lilith who put the seed of the black flame on the earth unbeknownst to the demiurge. So Qayin was the first born son of the serpent who murdered Abel and brought death into the demiurges creation opening the gate for a greater influx of the Qlipolth and Sitra achra.
There are many books on Sitra achra but if you read the book of Enoch, enoch saw Sitra achra and chaos at one point at a glimpse by Archangel Micheal I believe as well.
>>17681140
Your momma has been infected
>>17681174
And I am her corpse come to life.
>>17681203
Hory sheit
>>17681161
Whoa, dude! That shit's, like, totally radical.
>>17681161
I read Liber Falxifer vol I. and II., but thanks for the information anyway!
Also a question, if you don't mind: what's the difference between Curren 218 and 182?
>>17681342
>Current
fixed
>>17680865
Muslim here, and even I think you don't know what you're talking about.
Specifically when the Kharijites showed up and Muawiah went full nepotist at the end of his life.
Or you know, the usual shit that humans go through when forging an empire?
>>17681533
>Muslim here
Different anon and topic, but I hope you'll respond:
What do you think about Hassan-i Sabbah's assassins?
Were they a "dark cult"?
They were killers, of course, but they also used drugs, experienced Heaven during drug trips, etc.
>>17681203
kek
>>17681342
There isn't much of one besides the style of practice . 182 is traditional witchcraft and shamanic practice but focuses on walking the path of Nod.
218 is advanced ceremonial magic that explores all the Qlipolth
Qayin rules the qlipolth of Arab Zaraq. You can absolutely explore the qlipolth with current 182 it's just a different style.
Many years from now I will transition over to current 218.
>>17670654
Luciferians are all pretty nice.
>>17670028
>Order of 9gag
>cult
>>17683415
Not a muslim, but
The ismailis are all crazy-ass motherfuckers, and I say that as a person with a positive opinion on Shia muslims in general. But the drug allegations are a myth perpetrated by their Sunni enemies, a myth that christianity helped spread during and after the crusades
>>17684771
Interesting, thanks.
Any sauce on that?
>>17670065
>The ONA encourages terrorism, human sacrifice, internet trolling, gang activity, organized crime, incest, ritual orgies, murder, antisemitism, the veneration of Adolf Hitler, and basically all manner of mayhem in its war against "mundanes."
>terrorism, human sacrifice
>internet trolling
>>17686482
Funny, but it's absolutely possible.
Although as you can see here >>17672784 they might want to do more "hardcore" stuff than simple internet trolling.
>>17670666
what is hidden hand?
>>17687052
A guy who gave an interview on a forum.
He's supposed to be a part of an Elite family.
He described Luciferianism, but it's full of bullshit.
(Just like the guy in the other thread, by the way. /x/ is full of shills and role-players these days...)
I'm not saying that Luciferianism is Satanism, cause it's obviously not.
But it's not a hugbox either, like Hidden Hand described it.
>>17670367
Transhumanism is the saving grace of our species, desu.
>>17687210
Biotechnology could save us all, I think.
>>17687191
>by the way. /x/ is full of shills and role-players these days...
>these days
>>17685164
Don't dis but this wiki article on The Assassins covers most of the myths and stuff.
>>17671789
>they'll show you things you wouldn't believe.
Test my credulity senpai
>>17687191
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist.
>>17671113
You do realize, of course, that they ran an ARG here a few years back?
>>17688081
It's like he's protected on high by the prince of darkness.
>>17673898
The TOB, as far as i can discern from reading both their fiction and their MSS, seek to completely destroy an individuals mind and soul through repeated, controlled trauma, leaving a hollow shell that can be used as a vessel/nexion for their gods.
>>17685164
Forgot to add link oops sorry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins
>>17688092
I believe you're thinking about the Cult of Saturn, not TOB
>>17688104
This definitely seems to be the case. They often have references to monarch programming and brainwashing
>>17680939
You call
?
>>17688115
for the ARG, here's some folks who did some pretty solid research.
>>17688121
shit, forgot link
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?t=37936
>>17673617
You're on 4chan, you're autistic. No normal person could bear this shithole.
>>17676758
>these mofos are actually killing people.
Yeah sure, they're a bunch of /r9k/ /b/ crossposters that have never had a girlfriend and blame the world for being losers. I would be literally astonished if anyone that has ever adhered to any of this nonsense wasn't, at best, an incel.
>>17681161
Yeah man, I'm still mad about age of sigmar too.
>>17688104
>The TOB, as far as i can discern from reading both their fiction and their MSS, seek to completely destroy an individuals mind and soul through repeated, controlled trauma, leaving a hollow shell that can be used as a vessel/nexion for their gods.
Their own mind and soul or others'?
>>17688124
He does get a lot right, but TOB was never involved in any kind of arg. He is definitely stretching it when it comes to parallels between the groups.
>>17688174
Their own. Normal humans are viewed as "food" for the Noctulian elite
>>17688178
Fair enough, I was too busy shitposting /b/ back in those days to have any first hand knowledge
>>17688183
Interesting.
I wonder: was this "leaving a hollow shell that can be used as a vessel/nexion for their gods" the plan of the original O9A, too?
>>17688208
The idea of opening acausal gateways was definitely present in the ONA, though from what I have researched, TOB has taken it to an even further extreme (assuming what I've read is true)
>>17688214
It's funny how they never explained how one opens such a gateway...
>>17688214
TOB also combined traditional evocation methods with military style brainwashing. In their False prophet journals many members described their experience in the military (known as an insight role)
>>17688220
No, they actually describe it quite explicitly. I will give you a hint, it involves certain mantras as well as a special crystal of a certain shape.
>>17688226
You're talking about ONA, TOB or TotBL?
>>17688228
Not him, but the ONA. It can be found in NAOS MSS, and in the Black Book of Satan MSS. Narrative descriptions of the process, which provide further advice, can be found in the Fenris periodical, and in several of their prose MSS.
It's relatively easy if you have the correct skills. The difference in the 2 processes (ONA and ToB) stem from different Modes of operation. The ONA scales their plans according to aeonic time, and has global goals that are progressed in phases. The ToB, as far as I can discern, is more geared towards tactical actions in pursuit of their aeonic goals, with some possible influence from fluid dynamic theories.
>>17688237
Going through the mechanical motions of the ritual won't do you any good. The Dark Gods are interested in an individual namely through their actions (especially those of an amoral or sinister nature). That is the real secret behind opening nexions.
>>17688223
Most of the serious members of the 2 groups have done some amount of time in the military, often pursuing special forces careers. This allows them to "grow through adversity" ("Pathei-mathos")
>>17670028
How about Christianity? Bunch of creepy evil fucks
>>17688245
Of course. When i mentioned the "correct skills", i meant those skills and qualities that can only be acquired on that path.
>>17688245
>The Dark Gods are interested in an individual namely through their actions (especially those of an amoral or sinister nature).
But if ceremony is bullshit, then every "evil" person would / should be a nexion.
>>17670518
>killing legally to make a sacrifice
I see nothing wrong with that. It's pretty smart actually killing two birds with one stone and doing it legally. What's the harm in that, anon?
>>17688263
Most definitely, though some may not be consciously aware of it. Check out the series Programmed to Kill. The rabbit hole goes deep
>>17688273
Ok, thanks.
You know, I've never really got one thing about anti-cosmic satanism: so you have to become evil or sinister to open these nexions or summon Satan, Cain or whatever... but then... what for?
Let's say these guys can destroy the cosmos, "liberate" mankind (or just themselves)... and then what?
Chaos is like Heaven?
No boundaries, no rules... am I right on this one?
Because if they fail, they just go mad and / or kill themselves.
Do they really believe there's a light at the end of the tunnel?
I guess they don't even care anymore.
>>17670811
None as much as Christians though. They got the high score
>>17670858
>>17670867
To be fair, all eyes are on them because it's happening now but they'll never be as hypocritical or have as many confirmed kills as the Christians. The Muslims ain't shit, way before all this the crusaders were beheading them and raping their children in the name of Jesus Christ
>>17688289
Achtually if we're talking ideologies then Communism definately takes first place.
>>17670928
Oooooh...Christianity?
>>17671058
Kek
>>17688302
Source?
>>17672784
Wasn't E.A Koetting a member of ToB at one time? I'm sure I remember reading so in an interview years ago
>>17688305
that's like um, your opinion man
Which dark cult has the most money and influence in modern times?
>>17688401
>E.A Koetting
I don't know and I don't care.
He's just a businessman and a meme.
>>17688289
Islam is working real hard to catch up.
>>17688286
Returning to Ain is the main goal. When the cosmos is destroyed the cycle of birth and death will be ended and suffering of any kind will be over. Nothing really would exist because every thing has returned back into the void. So it's not a heaven because it's not anyplace, because any place would no longer exist. It's a very abstract concept, satan and the qlipolth only exist to destroy the Demiurges creation, once it has been destroyed they will destroy them selves because any type of "form" cannot exist within Ain. Maybe research Ain, Ain Sof, Ain Sof Aur and the kabalistic primordial creation account.
>>17688286
The Dark Gods mythos of the ONA is quite different from those of current 218. In the ONA system the Dark Gods are not interested in destroying the universe, but rather entering this plane and establishing a tangible "Hell on Earth", also known as the dark imperium
>>17688951
From the Vedic perspective the universe oscillates between manifest and unmanifest stages. It is impossible to destroy the universe indefinitely. Escape from samsara can be achieved but not in the manner you are describing.
>>17688951
Reflects 218 >>17689138
Reflects O9A.
To clear up any confusion.
>>17689152
That's your opinion and dogma I wouldn't consider the Vedic to be the ultimate truth. It's something I respect and consider but Terms like this is impossible or that is impossible is a boundary or limit . I agree the universe goes into manifest and unmanifest stages. If the dreaming and awakened Vishnu was destroyed then ultimate unmanifest would be created.
Inb4 you couldn't destroy Vishnu, what if there is a part of Vishnu that no longer wishes to play the game? A part of it that was the original darkness. Which kabalisticly would be considered Ain.
Not sure about the others, but O9A was supposedly hijacked a while back by a guy named Joseph Matheny. He claimed all kinds of weirdos would always email him asking how they could join. Look him up. He used to claim to be the originator of a lot of weird internet shit, but I'm not sure how true it is.
>>17689194
Why would you favor dissolution as opposed to spiritual variegated existence?
>>17689194
Also, I am not too knowledgeable on Kabbalah. Could you shed some light on the meaning of the actual sephirot?
>>17670028
Careful there, the ONA posts here frequently
>>17673499
>No one is being paid to shill for Hillary, it's a Republican - funded lie and a pathetic attempt to smear her campaign
Correct the Record is a Hillary Super PAC designed to... well, why don't we just read what they say:
http://correctrecord.org/about/
>Correct The Record is a strategic research and rapid response team designed to defend Hillary Clinton from baseless attacks.
Sounds like shilling to me.
>>17680207
>If your religion tells you that you're gonna be totally immortal... but first you have to die, then it's a death cult.
By that logic, Buddhism is a cult of overthinking, illusion, greed and desire, because the religion teaches that nirvana is attainable only after overthinking, illusion, greed and desire has been conquered.
Sorry, pal.
This was a great thread until role playing autismals joined in with their >muh universe
Love you /x/ don't ever change
>>17689235
Good question, it's one I wrestle with frequently. Some days the variety doesn't seem so bad, and other days I think that no matter what,all desire for existence in any material or spiritual form perpetuates the demiurge and fuels the cycle of suffering. I view the demiurge to be synonomous with Yhvh, Krishna, Odin, Zeus, anything that perpetuates existence. Which I find abhorrent. Some practitioners of chaos-Gnosticism think it would be possible to rectify the initial mistake in creation that caused suffering. Others think it shouldn't be attempted because it would just perpetuate the cycle.
Ain is so mysterious and abstract, and to me perfect which is why I try to get closer to it.
>>17689246
Sorry man, your going to have to use your googlefu on that one. That would take a ridiculous amount of time for me to elaborate on.
>>17689513
Well, no. It's a death cult because it involves dying.
There's nothing wrong with being a death cult. It's just one type of cult in the end.
>>17689556
>Well, no. It's a death cult because it involves dying.
Right, so Buddhism is a cult of overthinking, illusion, greed and desire.
Christianity:
Birth - DEATH of the body - Afterlife
Buddhism:
Birth - DEFEAT of illusion - Nirvana
If Christianity is a death cult, Buddhism is an illusion cult.
Christianity is about returning to everlasting life with the Father in Heaven, whereas Buddhism is about defeating illusion and attaining enlightenment.
Christianity is not a death cult, and Buddhism is not an illusion cult.
>>17689537
What would you think of spiritual self annihilation? Would seem to be easier to achieve and yield the state of being you desire (or the absence thereof)
>>17689572
That's pretty much the point. The deeper one goes into the qlipolth the less form one has.
>>17670028
SJWism is a cancerous cult.
>>17670098
Stop acting like your pro-Nazi views are normal or acceptable. You are a creep, and you need to know it.
>>17689684
>You are a creep, and you need to know it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLGxi3MF9Wo
Amirite? I fucking love science. Because... tolerance.
>>17689592
>That's pretty much the point. The deeper one goes into the qlipolth the less form one has.
Is there a non-ceremonial way to "practice" the qliphoth?
>>17670028
Anon, you can find all this information here.
>>17690268
It's basically the yin to the Seph's yang, so however you go about "practicing" one, you can do for the other.
I'll go ahead and tell ya though, you should look at it more as an exploration than a practice.
>>17670028
Islam
>>17690468
I see.
ONA's materials are sometimes too philosophical (in a very bad way), its metaphysics is pretty complicated - I heard many people complained that it's simply nonsensical.
The Current 218's material makes more sense to me.
Ironically the only (?) English books they have are the volumes of Liber Falxifer, but those are Current 128 techniques, full of Vodou and other ceremonial / folk magic.
So while their philosophies are very interesting, I can't find any info on the practices...
>>17690542
The 182 current bleeds into the 218.
And there are many different groups that practice 218.
I own two different authors on the subject and six books, only three of them being the LF the TFC put out.
As far as 218 books there are Panparadox, Gullveigarbok, ÞURSAKYNGI, and the TOTBL's Sitra Achra. Aswell as the aforementioned second author of 218 bleed over.
>>17690588
Will check those books, thanks.
>>17690542
The practice is laid out in LF1 and 2 and the folk magic is very important to the Qayanic tradition as well. Some people think that they want to jump right into 218, but it's not very practical. Most don't understand that it's a life long exploration and practice that can be very demanding. I chose to start with 182 because though it's not easy it's much more practical to lay a foundation. There are many things one has to create and aquire before one could even have a meaningful qlipolthic experience, according to this tradition. For example the various spiritual bonds from the black and the green. Though they give incense formulas in the book of sitra Acra, they don't tell you how important the work from LF1 and 2 is to them.
For some wrathful chaos by Arioch would be better, or Thomas Karlsson and the order of Dragon Rouge.
>>17688299
not true at all. Islam has always been the true religion of savagery.
Daily reminder that most of the crusades occurred to repel muslim aggression.
>>17688289
>>17688326
http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/13/communism-killed-94m-in-20th-century
>>17690455
>nWOD
>>17688299
>being this ignorant
Islam has already killed far more than all religions combined.
The only competitor it has on kill count is red communism.
Islamic conquest of India has a recorded kill count of 80-100 million and this was just after the prophet was alive.
![8eff92e5a24b714bdf89d3f06441f32b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/N9hZ6vu.jpg "8eff92e5a24b714bdf89d3f06441f32b[1].jpg")
Wow. Wasting so much of your pathetic lives studying the writings of early autists.
>>17694129
Did you even read the thread?
>>17693356
this
Funny thing is, Classic World of Darkness has these guys called the Nephandi - fucked up mages who want to destroy reality itself.
Sounds familiar? Yeah, Temple of the Black Light.
Same thing.
And the Nephandi calls their magic Qlippothic, too.
>>17691347
>Battles of all wars waged by Muslims
>Battles of a select war by Christians
Totally unbiased.
>>17670028
>the practitioner is required to break societal taboos
sounds completely wrapped up in and intensely concerned with societal taboos. How limited.
The only unbreakable taboo is this: the social group regulates sexual activity. This is the basis of society and once it CAN be broken it means there is no more society to offend.
Which is the paradox of wanting to offend but declaring that the rules don't apply to you, infantile wishing to have it both ways.
>>17694313
I don't know, buddy, but if someone decides that killing is a taboo and he / she must break this taboo by killing someone, then it doesn't matter that you believe he / she is right or not.
It's a cult.
They have some beliefs.
You have other beliefs.
Relax.
>>17670028
Is the guy from this >>17690182 thread still around?
I missed his thread and I hope he will show up here to answer some questions.
>>17694300
Nice refutation of a claim with your own source mudslime.
>>17695342
That picture is a very blatant disregard for wars caused by Christianity. What about the wars of religion where Christians killed eachother over their religion?
Also, mudslimes are just as bad as Christians, I'm not defending them. All religions are degeneracy.
>>17670055
Nice Thulsa Doom Banner of Set
Your mom's pussy is an dark/evil cult/order
The secret order of baby pussy fucking
>>17691347
Well you might as well claim that it was the romans that started it due continued aggression. Saying Islam did it out of nowhere and not to counter continued roman aggression is plain wrong.
The secret order of /x/ of dark and edgy people that smoke meth and crack cocaine
>>17694283
The concept of the qlipolth, and using it in magic has been around much longer than the Mage roleplaying game. Im not sure if you are trying to discredit the TOBL because there are parallels in other versions of art or not.
warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
25 Brethren, pray for us.
>>17696469
No, no - you got it wrong.
The first guy spoke about a new version of a game (new World of Darkness / Chronicles of Darkness), and the guy I replied implied that it's not a good game.
And we're on the same side on this one, I like its predecessor much better - it's called the Classic World of Darkness. And it has a game about mages (Mage: the Ascension) which has this faction called the Nephandi, which might be based on real life cults, like the O9A or the Current 218.
I find these cults very interesting, and it's kinda spooky how a game copied their philosophies - that's all.
>>17696709
26 Bee a good sheep
27 Work and do not ask questions
28 Live a boring life and achieve nothing
29 Burn the heretics for the Emperor (fun no1, by the way)
30 Suffer not the witch to live (fun no2, by the way)
31 Sometimes you can have the stuff of the burnt heretics and witches (you can also rape the witches and THEN burn them)
32 You will NOT live deliciously
33 You will never ask the big questions of life, because you believe you'll have all the answers after death (no guarantees, of course)
34 Somehow this random dude called Jesus is a shortcut to Salvation.exe. And he's also God, but not really. Or both. Or something like that.
>mfw this is the best thread on /x/ since I've been coming here
>inb4 that's not saying much
>>17698186
OP here.
Glad you like it.
I wanted to start a thread about REAL /x/-related stuff.
While I find these philosophies / metaphysics very interesting, it's also good to have a discussion about something other than the usual 'dogman, yeti, aliens, spooky images' threads (I don't even visit any of them).
So I'm happy that this thread survived so far.
>>17697965
It's not really all that spooky considering the time and place oWoD was forming in the goth vampire LARP community. I'd go further into it, but I don't know much about this side of the topic.
>>17697965
Oh my bad then, figured I'd ask before looking like a total douche lol.
For any one interested in what the practice of current 182 is like this is a coven of qayinites further along the path than I am. It's a great blog and I'm shocked there is one as detailed.
https://thecovenantofsorcerousfire.wordpress.com/2016/04/09/yew-harvest/
badump
>>17699208
>For any one interested in what the practice of current 182 is like this is a coven of qayinites further along the path than I am. It's a great blog and I'm shocked there is one as detailed.
>https://thecovenantofsorcerousfire.wordpress.com/2016/04/09/yew-harvest/
Oh, I'll definitely check it.
I'm curious how the practitioners of current 182 think.
>>17670065
Wow 4chan is ONA
>>17670028
>Left-Hand Path occult group
>guy in OP holding knife in right hand
>>17670518
Sounds like a sick troll to hire wild cops since the world is so fucking stupid right now.
>>17670666
SIX SIX SIX
TRIPS CONFIRM IT
>>17670807
Lucifer, Prometheus, Sirius, brightest Morningstar(Jesus look it up), Icarus, and RA seem to kinda be all the same "being" just in different books. So idk who to believe anymore. There is a "higher power" but I think it's mostly us as a collective. Also the god that brought us life was pretty much the sun. How matter came into existence idfk.
I practice Christianity cause I like the message and believe in redemption though.
>>17699270
>I practice Christianity cause I like worshipping a zombie kike on a stick
Ftfy
>>17672778
They're battling aggressive against aggressive. Removing angry people from the gene pool via war so the future can be one of peace. Look at the empire in star wars all the troops are down with each other to the end. That's why tr8r was a big deal. A future without theft amongst each other, disease, clean air/water, and such. Look at the hunting of predator animals for instance. If all of those animals are removed from the planet then people can live in harmony.
Problem is that the flip side of that is people pushing for even more of a chaos planet. If you really study the world you can see these trends.
This is what you learn being a fat neck beard in recovery.
>>17699274
It said in some ancient book that He didn't die someone else took his place. When they saw him resurrected it could have been them removing the body or the whole thing was staged. At least that's what I want to believe and we're all allowed our own enterpretation.
>>17699287
>Removing angry people from the gene pool via war so the future can be one of peace.
I doubt O9A members only hurt "angry people".
They want some crazy evolutionary jump, to become a kind of a "superman".
They believe everyone else deserves to die.
>>17670028
>>17670055
>>17670065
>>17670073
All of this is trumped by Jesus Christ.
>>17699817
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........GTFO
>>17699988
Also check them trips dubs
>>17698221
Yeah, I've really got a lot out of it, thanks OP!
>>17688151
Nah, we're too busy trolling OkCupid and eating Taco Bell while wasting away on suicide's watch. [stern smile]
>>17699817
Well yeah, you're right: christianity as a very successfull dark cult.
Many have died for your evil God.
Also just think about the fact that you all drink the blood and eat the body of God's son.
Pretty sick, if you ask me.
>>17689568
What they have in common is the belief that this current life is not the "real" life, but a test or trial, which ultimately can lead to the "true" life - the after-life, or the enlightenend state wherein exists no suffering.
Either way they oppose THIS life - and thus embrace death.
>>17670778
underrated kekpost
>>17688116
el-hahaha
>>17670028
>>17670055
>>17670065
>>17670073
Aren't the bad guys from True Detective (season 1) believed something very similar like this?
>>17701661
>Didn't the bad guys from True Detective (season 1) believe something very similar like this?
fixed, sorry
>>17701516
I'd argue that the whole point of nondual yogic practice is to embrace this very life. I mean yeah, certain aspects of buddhism have properties of a death cult, what with sharing practice and metaphysics with followers of the Lord of Death and having a great deal of focus on death, but most is focused on dying with dignity. It's more building an indifference to death, which in a certain way means embracing it.
I'm wary of approaching this subject from an academic perspective as intellectual masturbation is the opposite of practice and grants no insight into what is actually being discussed, leading to such labels as "death cult" when the majority of scripture on death, in nondual yogic practice at least (I was never christian so I can't speak on that), is metaphorical and esoteric in nature and therefore has absolutely nothing to do with the actual death cults that it came partly from.
Thread is nice. Don't let it die.
I don't know much about those kind of cult. Ever heard talking about sects, but not dark cults like these ones.
>>17702237
Don't say a thread is nice, ever! The mods will delete it
>>17702247
I got to admit that I'm a newfag.I doubt that they will delete it, but are mods on /x/ incompetent or else ?
Looking for magic spells. Someone give me some spells please.
>>17702251
Oh boy...
Hello, new friend, welcome to /x/, the greatest place on the interwebz!
Seriously, mods kill whatever they want because the rules for this board are so vague and that means they can do whatever the fuck they want.
They are a real dark cult
>>17702264
Thanks !
Was curious about the other boards, so I took a look. I'm here since yesterday evening. For what I had already seen, mods look pretty cool. But i'm a newfag.
>>17702271
>mods
>ever not faggots
Pick one. Enjoy your stay.
>>17702311
In the worst case I'm ready to suck some mod's dick.
Thanks by the way.
>>17699817
Yes, but you need to differentiate between Jesus and Yahweh, Jesus is a higher being than Yahweh which is evident by his ability to save you from his judgement, and is also a higher being than the focuses of these lesser cults, which is why there are so many cases of Jesus helping people overcome petty demonic forces with only things such as the utterance of his name.
The mainstream Christian view that Jesus is Yahweh is wrong, even today there are people still receiving visions from Jesus saying he can overpower Yahweh. In 1935 St. Faustina received a miraculous vision of Christ himself who gave her a prayer that, when used in the presence of the dying, Jesus said he "will stand between My Father and the dying person, not as the just Judge but as the Merciful Savior" and save them from judgement before Yahweh.
Hilariously the Roman Catholic Church actually incorporates this into their dogma, unaware of the fact that it suggests that Jesus and Yahweh stand directly opposed, that Jesus is not the same giver of judgement of the Old Testament, but is a separate entity of grace and mercy that stands above the influence of Yahweh, and can intervene to save you.
Grab on to Jesus and he will lift you from the grip of demons, and even what we know as gods.
>>17702311
True. I got b& here recently for getting a girl naked so I could get a better read on her aura. It's retarded. It's not my fault that they don't know how auras work. Fucking flaming faggots
>>17702343
world class troll, do you mind if I use that in the future?
>>17702328
>The mainstream Christian view that Jesus is Yahweh is wrong, even today there are people still receiving visions from Jesus saying he can overpower Yahweh. In 1935 St. Faustina received a miraculous vision of Christ himself who gave her a prayer that, when used in the presence of the dying, Jesus said he "will stand between My Father and the dying person, not as the just Judge but as the Merciful Savior" and save them from judgement before Yahweh.
That just sounds like something a petty person would come up with. Avoiding responsibility for ones own actions is a huge part of human nature.
>>17702328
>The mainstream Christian view that Jesus is Yahweh is wrong
this
YHVH is not the True God.
He's Satan.
>>17702879
He's not satan he's just the demiurge. But what ever, I've already pointed out some of the finer places to get info on current 182. Now that the Jesus freaks and misinformed are arriving, I gotta blast.
>>17695880
>Saying Islam did it out of nowhere and not to counter continued roman aggression is plain wrong.
You are so full of shit that it's not even funny.
>>17699274
Lol why are you so mad about it tho
>>17702915
>Now that the Jesus freaks and misinformed are arriving, I gotta blast.
True: we desperately need /rel/ or /christ/.
You can't have a decent discussing without a Christian talking about Christianity (non-stop).
>>17670367
That's ridiculous anon, none of us are robots. Maybe you need to lie down for a bit while you're computer runs.
Please don't think LHP means evil. Yeah this new age version is but the ancient LHP which I practice is not evil just extreme. Satanists and the like give LHP a bad name and it pisses me off!
