Enlighten me: Earth Flat or Earth Hollow?
https://medium.com/@erwtdotorg/breaking-flat-earth-is-a-conspiracy-exclusive-new-insights-by-high-ranking-intelligence-8dca53d9f07e#.suzybcssd
What would you like to know?
>>17788811
spheroid
>>17788814
>https://medium.com/@erwtdotorg/breaking-flat-earth-is-a-conspiracy-exclusive-new-insights-by-high-ranking-intelligence-8dca53d9f07e#.suzybcssd
if we end up in outer space or inner earth when we reach south pole
>>17788836
No. If you go to the South Pole there's a bunch of ice and wind. There's airfield. And a compound with various research buildings and living quarters. There's a ceremonial South Pole you can see and photograph. There are tourist agencies which will take you there if you want to spend the money.
The map used in the UN logo is called a polar projection. It's a 2D representation of a sphere. They picked it because it has all nations on earth on it, representing the United Nations. It's also a nice round shape, so you can surround it with olive branches, which symbolize peace. The problem with polar projections is that while it gets the shape and proportions of northern countries fairly accurately, everything in the Southern Hemisphere is grossly distorted. For example, you'll notice the Cape of Good Hope appears to stretch hundreds of miles east to west. This is rather absurd. Using it as an actual map is also absurd.
pictured: my sides
>>17788811
both. the Earth is shaped like a hollow drum: the continents are on the top head. the bottom head is another flat earth.
>>17788874
has what to do with flat earth?
>>17788870
kek
>>17788811
it is actually formed like a giant conveyor
The moon is made out of cheese
>>17788885
>has what to do with flat earth?
That Nasa is bullshit. >>17788879 fish eye lens.
>>17788908
>>17788908
What kinda cheese we talkin' here, man?
>>17788922
THE cheese
>>17788911
>fish eye lens
so? whats wrong with wide angle lenses?
>>17788931
>>17788954
The curvature is still visible even in the normal angled lens photo.
I'm done. I'm just going to believe flat earth. I'm not fighting anything anymore. Flat earth, the elite powers, NWO, Bigfoot, Japanese Robots. All real. Let's do this.
>>17788960
>>17788980
>>17788982
What about it? A wide angle lens gives, like the name implies, a wider view, so you can see more.
In the left image you're cutting a significant part of the image off, so it looks flatter than it really is.
>>17788911
What has that got to do with operation paperclip?
Also a fish eye lens can't make a flat surface look like a sphere you idiot.
>>17788954
ok.
I still dont understand your problem with wide angle lenses, but ok
>>17788982
the left image is probably at a lower altitude.
>>17788980
are you ready?
>>17788986
They aren't actually that obvious with the faking stuff are they? That's just upsetting.
>>17788986
>ufo-blogger.com
>but every physics and mathematics textbook in the world is an unreliable source
>>17788811
>By disclosing the documentation on the Flat Earth the former intelligence employee hopes to make a change for the better. “I hope the people will finally really start to look for the truth, in stead of hanging on the first fantasy thrown at them. Hopefully disclosing on this fallacy will take them a step further. It is not too late.”
Ahaha, they are so desperate to cover up the truth they have to release fake "whistleblowers" to discredit the flat earth societies. This again proves that they are onto something.
But as the saying goes
>once you go flat, you can't go back
>>17789015
yeah, the upper pic is so obviously shooped, it hurts
>>17789023
I see what you did there. Heh.
>>17788986
>look you can photoshop a photo into a mars landscape
great work Sherlock.
Now explain how those thousands, if not millions of man hours were used.
Hundreds of people, thousands if you include contractors work on these projects.
>>17789031
>implying people wont accept more money in change of keeping a secret
>>17789033
>implying you can pay of so many people and still keep them quiet
This isn't like covering up a pedo ring, if you blow the thing right open you don't put yourself in the shit.
>>17789033
If people were after money, then it would be easy to just pay them to admit a hoax.
>>17789042
Except nobody who wants the hoax exposed has as much as the hoaxer.
is the earth really flat?
I mean the edges of the earth look curved when you are sitting in a plane
>>17789033
believe it or not, for some people money isnt the greatest thing in the world, Schlomo
>>17789047
Sucks to be them, then.
>>17789057
No it started as a joke, the earth isn't flat. It was a joke that schizophrenic people took to believing in, because it allowed them to have an 'out' for their delusional thoughts.. they can blame it all on NASA. (Cuz u'know there always apparently has to be some hidden agenda according to them).
>>17789103
>(Cuz u'know there always apparently has to be some hidden agenda according to them).
I adore how they never explain what they think the agenda is.
>muh black projects
>muh ebil
>>17789057
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream
>>17788811
>they're both circles
Come on OP.
Definitely flat Earth over hollow Earth.
>>17788883
>parallel flat earth
I love this concept. I wish it were true.
They aren't true.
But flat and hollow Earthers know something.
>>17789031
That's a terrible argument. Nothing stops a large group of people from going somewhere and doing absolutely nothing at all with their time. Not saying you're wrong, but that argument doesn't work.
so are all pilots everywhere in on the secret?
>>17788997
That is exactly what it does. Most panorama images go in a full circle following the shape of the horizon, but if you were to point a fisheye lens straight down, it'd make things appear circular.
>>17789020
>fake "whistleblowers"
>what is Snowden
>implying intelligence agencies can't manage information well
>implying they ever release anything other than cointel
I think we know who the REAL shill is here.
>>17789040
Maybe it wasn't a lump sum, but it's spread out over time to make the conspirators dependent.
>>17789064
>sucks to 99% of the population
I wouldn't go that far, but it's nice to see you're ready to believe that conspiracies can happen.
>>17789063
>for some
That's irrelevant. Someone looking to create a conspiracy doesn't look for the ones that don't care. They look for the many, many, who still do.
>>17789112
If you, given complete control over the beliefs of the entire planet, can't find anything interesting to do with people, then you're on the wrong board.
>>17789115
Oh wow, lol. That about sums it up I think.
>>17789192
Not defending the theories, but spherical Earthers don't know anything either. The default for all people in all time periods is complete and total ignorance, and assertion-style education systems do nothing to stop this.
>>17788811
Both are entirely without merit or evidence beyond "YOU can't prove it isn't, and I don't believe the "official" story, so I'm right!"
>>17789198
Pilots are a different issue. But the idea that NASA couldn't be a fake organization that hires people to sit around and do absolutely nothing at all with their time is retarded. Even if you believe the space program is real, it takes a lot of funding to get anything off the ground, in a very real sense. And then, even after a mission is launched, there's a whole hell of a lot of waiting around and doing absolutely nothing at all while the goddamn space probe takes years to get to its destination. The idea the NASA could do slightly less than sit around all day and sometimes lazily design robots is stupid. It isn't hard to pay people to do nothing.
>>17789246
This.
>>17789246
>don't believe the "official" story
That's fine.
>so I'm right
That's wrong, and I don't see anyone acting like that in this thread.
>>17789255
And before you think I give a fuck, I don't. I'm just saying that judging people by your memories of other people who acted like idiots is the same kind of faggotry as tripfagging and samefagging.
>>17789244
We have the technology to TAKE PICTURES OF IT FROM GODDAMN OUTER SPACE, and it invariably appears spherical. Shut up, and don't give me that "Hurr, gravity bends light and creates the illusion of it being round!" because it'd take far greater gravity than Earth has for it to bend to such an extreme degree.
What if there is no earth
>>17789299
woah
>>17789153
neat
>>17789261
No, "we" don't. NASA does. I believe that Earth is spherical, but I've never actually done any of the experiments to prove it to myself. Most people who believe the scientific story believe it because someone told it to them, not because they actually did or tested anything. You can have all the facts 100% straight in your head and still be a drooling idiot because you have no idea why those facts are supposed to be facts. Memorization is NOT evidence of intelligence.
>>17789299
Standard matrix theory.
>>17789261
gravity is fake
>>17789308
>You can have all the facts 100% straight in your head and still be a drooling idiot because you have no idea why those facts are supposed to be facts
speak for yourself
>>17789312
how is it faked?
>>17789327
we know the ground pulls us down but we don't know if heavenly bodies other than the ground actually attract anything. Gravity works only on the ground
>>17789331
>but we don't know if heavenly bodies other than the ground actually attract anything
we do
what the fuck
>>17788870
how do people have the free time to be this autistic? do conspiracy theorists not have jobs or responsibilities?
>>17789331
so you admit, that you dont know shit, but your conclusion is "gravity is fake".
cool
also: your explanation wouldnt make it "fake"
>>17789338
NASA could be faking it
>>17789341
I'm pretty sure the true tinfoil-hatters believe that this IS their responsibility
>>17789327
>>17789344
I know physics and I've used all those gravity formalae and they are all accurate and they work, but I haven't been to space, I haven't been to the moon, I can't trust the ORGANIZATION
>>17789348
No
Nasa has nothing to do with that. Get your shit together
>>17789355
>the ether
why are you quoting references to long outdated scientific theories? there is no cosmic ether
>>17789361
We don't know if the sun has gravity or the moon has gravity. Then again we're operating on the rules the government has set out for us
>>17789365
how do you know?
>>17789365
>outdated scientific theories?
kek
>>17789375
He does not.
>mfw a globefag spherecuck was near me
>>17789331
Gr8 b8 m8
>>17789367
we know. since a long period of time
>>17789348
How exactly does NASA fake planets moon, orbits, rotations and structure?
You can see that shit with a commercial telescope.
>>17789375
is has been disproven a long time ago. we dont even need the ether to explain the movement of light anyway, so I dont even know why anyone would still believe this
>>17789308
Nice ad hominem, m80, you sure showed me.
>>17789392
not him, but people seriously need to learn about the logical fallacies before spouting them. he did not make an ad hominem
>>17789401
He pretty blatently implied he thought I was unintelligent.
>>17789319
No, I speak for everyone. Idiots who refuse to think or speak for themselves implicitly consent to my interpretation of them. 99% of everyone will never once try to care or measure how spherical the Earth is or how much shadows diverge.
>>17789338
People need to stop with this "we" bullshit. You're not magically informed just because NASA can do these things. Your "we" can include science, but if someone else's "we" doesn't then "we" don't know shit from a hole in the ground.
>>17789341
No, they lose them as soon as they become conspiracy nuts and society discards them. This is why it seems intuitively obvious to us that you can have entire organization that pay people to do absolutely nothing. Remember that money is a fiction and its only value comes from people being willing to sell out for it. Look around you and ask yourself how many people in your life do you think would sell out for the right price.
Then realize you're a projecting faggot and they wouldn't, you intolerant, judgmental dick.
>>17789409
insult =/= ad hominem
>>17789387
how do you know those aren't just space dust with light on it?
>>17789412
>99% of everyone will never once try to care or measure how spherical the Earth is or how much shadows diverge.
kek
again, speak for yourself
You dont even know how simple it is to conclude that the earth is round
>>17789344
You're an idiot. All they were saying was that their flat Earth model of gravity has nothing to do with the heliocentric model of gravity. If you can't read well enough to realize that then you shouldn't even respond. Let intelligent people handle the idiots for you.
If one type of gravity is fake, they get to say that gravity is fake. The force is real from every perspective, but the model can be wrong/fake/made up/whatever.
>>17789412
>No, I speak for everyone
No, you really don't.
>>17789412
what is your weird obsession with NASA? the are way younger than the theory of gravity. and yes, WE know. just because you chose to be ignorant, doesnt mean the rest of us has to swallow your shit
>the government agency that receives hundreds of billions in funding per showed me artist interpretations, CGI "ribbon" composites, photos of paintings, and a moon landing so I believe everything they say
>>17789412
People from several hundred years ago were able to figure it out with primitive equipment, pretty sure they didn't have NASA "cover-ups" back in those days. Shut up.
>>17789434
>ITZ UH GUBERMINT COM-SPEAR-UH-SEE!!!!1!2
>>17789447
Which one again?
>>17789434
Please don't reproduce.
>>17789434
Composited images do not necessarily suggest a conspiracy. Composited images allow for far greater detail and clarity.
>>17788811
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>>17789375
>how do you know?
They don't. They learned that it was wrong from other people that they believe actually tested this stuff. If they actually have qualifications and tested any of the things they talk about, I'd be surprised.
>>17789463
>I have no idea what those fluffy white things are
>>17789331
>we know the ground pulls us down but we don't know if
>>17789412
>People need to stop with this "we" bullshit
>>17789476
>i am unable to see a clear difference in the alleged land sizes
see >>17789468
>>17789463
>colors and lighting are perfectly equal in every photograph ever
>>17789482
>Every image of a thing needs to be a duplicate of every other, down to the pixel, or it's fake
>>17789463
source?
>>17789386
>we know
That's impossible. Only individuals can know. Groups are incapable of containing understanding.
>since a long period of time
Definitely wrong. If you never tested it yourself then you never actually knew anything at all. If you have, then you've only known it since the moment you finished the experiment. Even if we take your "I was taught this so it must be true" notion of the truth into account, then you've only known it since you've been alive. Unless you've lived for more than a century, you haven't know anything for a long period of time.
If you heard it from a person and not from nature herself, then you don't know anything beyond your human framework.
>>17789463
the earth is tilted slightly. that is why the US appears to be up so high. i think thats what that graph is trying to say
>>17789495
>>17789501
You're right, every one of those images is our Earth.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream
>>17789463
>we have the same camera technology as in the 70s
>they can't take images from different angles, with different lenses, with different focus, with different film, with different sensors and different formats
The 1975 one there is probably the only one that is not manipulated in any way.
>cucks still believe the earth is sphere
all nasa photos are fake and show a sphere earth and even one of your respected sicence priests says it's pear shape
Doesn't add up
>>17789387
>with a commercial telescope
99.9% of all round and flat Eathers alike will never own or have access to one of these. Astronomers are a rare breed.
>>17789515
Oh boy, will we get to see another spacewalk that ends with an astronaut having a water leak in his helmet?
>>17789505
holy shit you are autistic. so you will stick your finger in your ears and ignore every scientific discovery ever made?
>>17789519
So the angle is what makes the same continents different sizes. Got it.
>>17789525
literally just looked at some amazing craters on the moon 5 minutes ago
>>17789509
>Curious is the trap-maker's art
>>17789390
Maybe because people prefer intuition over truth.
I dunno, it seems intuitively obvious to me that people don't actually give a shit about the structure of the world. If they didn't believe there were conspirators behind this, people wouldn't give a shit about discussing it.
>>17789392
I have dismissed exactly zero arguments in this thread on the basis of their anon's character.
>>17789409
I have no idea which anon you're supposed to be. I was saying that anyone who "learns" by rote memorization is an idiot with no real understanding of the world. You either understand how this shit applies to the real world or you don't.
That applies to ALL models, flat, round, hollow, inside-out, whatever. People argue this shit for ideological reasons, not because they actually did the experiments themselves.
>>17789505
>you cant know nothing
>you cant even know, that you cant know nothing
There is absolutely no point in talking with you. You will disregard every evidence thrown at you without an explanation why it is wrong
>>17789476
>>17789495
>>17789508
>>17789519
>>17789501
>programmed spherecucks perform mental gymnastics when confronted with objective evidence that runs contrary to what the archbishops of science and atheism at NASA told them
>>17789416
They are, no matter which model you use. The only difference is that heliocentrics believe in more and bigger types of space dust.
>>17789531
I don't know, but if you see one could you please post a webm of it with a timestamp please?
>>17789553
good argument. huh, guess the earth is flat after all
>>17789424
>how simple it is to conclude
I conclude that The Earth is round.
But wait! I *ALSO* conclude that the Earth is flat! And hollow! And none of the above! BEHOLD MY UNIQUE ABILITY TO CONCLUDE THINGS!
No, I speak for everyone. 99% of everyone will never bother measuring anything in any scientific sense. Most people don't give a shit about science.
I don't care how many demographics you think you're a part of; nobody else gives a shit.
>>17789559
Why do you even post in these threads if you're this uninformed?
http://www.space.com/31635-water-leak-astronaut-helmet-halts-spacewalk.html
http://www.universetoday.com/109814/as-astronauts-helmet-filled-with-water-he-told-nasa-three-times-it-wasnt-from-the-drinking-bag/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3404644/Time-new-spacesuit-Nasa-astronaut-Tim-Kopra-s-helmet-began-filling-water-spacewalk-wearing-outfit-sparked-life-threatening-leak-three-years-ago.html
Good enough for you?
>>17789566
>good argument
Irony.
>>17789525
So, "Most people don't buy a telescope, therefore NASA's fake and Earth is flat."
Pack it in, guys, this Anon definitely and irrifutably proved that Earth is and always has been flat.
>>17789537
Yeah, it's a ball.
Draw some shapes on ball and take photos of it from different angles with different zooms and you will notice that the sizes appear differetn
>>17789559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddj1s9rvSeA
pretty sure, it wont happen again in the near future
>>17789428
I do. If you were going to argue this, you'd have cited a case study about the population's interest in science and actually doing any of the things we are told about in our history books. Nobody. Cares.
At least not in this thread.
If you've actually measured the lengths of shadows throughout the day go ahead and post pics of your expedition into the world of science. Remember! It isn't science if you don't record it!
>>17789534
He doesn't want stuff like "facts" entering his tiny comfort zone.
>>17789432
NASA is the reason most people believe in outer space, beyond highschool education, which we all know is shit.
>>17788811
How stupid are the people who use UN's logo to say the earth is flat?
It's the fucking United Nations. You have to show all the nations in one logo.
Is this a paranormal?
>>17789587
>NASA is the reason most people believe in outer space
>believe
you are beyond saving, are you?
>>17789578
Your argument is flawed from the ground up. "The average layperson hasn't done [thing], therefore the people who allegedly know what they're talking about on the subject of [thing] are probably lying" is nonsense.
>>17789434
They believe it because their highschool science teacher didn't seem like a shill at the time. NASA has nothing to do with. NASA just maintains the belief system, it doesn't generate it.
>>17789603
Oh neat, which space mission were you a part of?
>>17789578
>If you've actually measured the lengths of shadows throughout the day go ahead and post pics of your expedition into the world of science.
>>17789609
what are you on about?
>>17789440
>NASA "cover-ups"
Coverups have existed in every era in human history. You can't have politics without scandals. It doesn't matter which organization does it, the very basic fact is that's it's *POSSIBLE* do to it at all.
To deny the *POSSIBILITY* of conspiracies is retarded.
>>17789609
Please refer to >>17789468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_W280R_Jt8
10 simple reasons every retard should understand in under 3 minutes
>>17789469
No, they don't. If you want clarity, you look at the original images. Compositing images is literally an art project. No serious scientist is going to feed the composite images into their simulations. They only produce composites to have something to show to the public. They literally lose data while spicing it up for public consumption.
>>17789480
Addendum: There is more than one (type of) "we."
>>17789616
He's an idiot who thinks that if the average person hasn't done a thing, neither have the people who supposedly do it for a living.
>>17789618
"It's possible that there's a conspiracy" != "There is a conspiracy"
>>17789426
retard
educate yourself about gravity, please
>>17789567
>Most people don't give a shit about science
you are projecting so fucking hard
You flat-earthers are the most myopic of the truther bunch. It's quite silly
So let's just assume NASA and every other country's aerospace branches are in on the "conspiracy".
Does that mean private companies are in on this too? Does SpaceX, owned by the same guy as Tesla, manufacture actual fucking ROCKETS just for show? How much money do you have to make for the "powers that be" to clue you in on the "truth"??
Where do SpaceX rockets go when they launch them on live camera feeds for the entire world to see? I honestly don't understand this stupid fucking idea enough to understand where you guys think the sky goes. It boggles my mind to imagine anyone who's been on a plane can believe this-- I've taken pictures on my iPhone from planes that show the curvature of the Earth, and anyone can.
THAT BEING SAID i'm not completely clear on the idea that the Earth isn't hollow. I mean, it's almost certainly not as hollow as some people on this board make it out to be, but I'm not ruling out that some hole in Antarctica houses some pretty bizarre caverns
>>17789523
>pear shape
Ever so slightly, due to tidal forces, yes. Eeeeever so slightly. Egg shaped would be more accurate, but even a common softball is way more accurate a representation of the Earth's shape than either of those.
>>17789638
type a: me making overgeneralisations
type b: other people making overgeneralisations
>>17789668
>Egg shaped would be more accurate
Funny that all NASA images are of perfect spheres then isn't it?
It's okay though, the epic black mustache science man said it so it's true.
>>17789534
Absolutely I will if you're going to be an asshole about it while never having done a single experiment in your life.
I'm tempted to dismiss everything you did in highschool chemistry out of spite if you're going to pretend you KNOW something you never tested.
>>17789676
>Eeeeever so slightly
>>17789541
Welcome to the 0.1%. I didn't.
>>17789665
>Where do SpaceX rockets go when they launch them on live camera feeds for the entire world to see?
Obviously, it's on a rollercoaster track.
>>17789678
>while never having done a single experiment in your life
stop projecting
and btw, you dont have to do an experiment for literally everything in order to understand it properly
>>17789668
>>17789682
If the tidal forces were enough to alter the entire shape of the Earth then it would stand to reason that said forces would have caused there to exclusively be water at the equator.
>>17789603
>he believes in outer space
>>17789684
I highly recommend some casual amateur astronomy. It is great! You can already discover amazing things with rather cheap binoculars
>>17789550
>cant know nothing
You can know things, but only if you actually did the experiments for yourself. Anything else is your potentially informed belief.
>>17789550
>every evidence thrown at you
I believe in the heliocentric model, dipshit. I just realize that it's a goddamn belief because I've never run the shadow length experiment myself. I trust others to run the experiment and report accurate results without mussing around with conspiracies. I don't believe that it's possible to generally fool the entire planet outside of very specific methods used primarily by con artists. I don't even believe a random CIA agent would be good at actual belief manipulation.
>>17789692
why exclusively? they are not that strong. But there is indeed a water "bulge" around the equator
>>17789660
you don't know if gravity exists for things with enormous mass because there's no proof the moon isn't just a small ball and the earth is round
>>17789700
>but only if you actually did the experiments for yourself
or, you know, other people one can trust
or even better: countless people came independently to the same conclusion
>>17789664
Science is one of my all time favorite things. That doesn't make me a fucking scientist. Unless you actually bothered to measure the shadows some day, fuck off with your *OPINIONS*.
>>17789704
>because there's no proof the moon isn't just a small ball
whatever floats your boat man
I know that gravity exists and I'm confused that there are people that dont
>>17789717
how do you know the earth isn't just flat? so it shouldn't have gravity?
>>17789717
>I know that gravity exists
>>17789572
I believe the heliocentric model, asshat. Unless you're the anon with the telescope and can post pics from your own goddamn camera, then fuck off with your judgmental dickery. Heliocentrics don't need another faggot representative here. Let the intelligent people with the timestamps deal with this.
>>17789714
>Science is one of my all time favorite things
>But wait! I *ALSO* conclude that the Earth is flat! And hollow! And none of the above! BEHOLD MY UNIQUE ABILITY TO CONCLUDE THINGS!
If you like science so much, pls learn more about it
>>17789591
The UN does NOT represent me.
>>17789719
I do. I can even make simple experiments and calculations
>>17789596
Did it come from a ghost or ghoul or anything like that?
>>17789723
>Unless you're the anon with the telescope and can post pics from your own goddamn camera
for you to dismiss them as fake or some shit without even giving a reason why? not worth the effort my man, thanks
>>17789603
>believe
Yes, if you never tested it, if you never ran the experiment, if you never recorded the result so you can always go back and check it for error, belief is all you have. I'm literally saying that science requires actually testing things. If you disagree, feel free to kill yourself.
>>17789736
Oh cool which simple experiment did you perform and how small was the gravitational orbit?
>>17789217
>we know who the REAL shill is
look in the mirror and you will see him
>>17789605
>are probably lying
I never said this. I'm a heliocentic anon. All I said is that beliefs are things people never properly test.
>>17789729
>this entire post
>exclamation marks
>*MEME*
>random capitalization
>pls
Please go back to where ever you came from.
>>17789751
>literally saying that science requires actually testing things
of course it does, who the fuck questioned that? but people dont """believe""" in outer space because of NASA
>>17789752
>how do you test gravity
not him, but you seem to be autistic with questions like these
>>17789762
I quoted the other guy. Are you sure how 4chan works?
>>17789772
Oh cool which simple test did you perform and how small was the gravitational orbit?
>>17789786
>the gravitational orbit
>>17789640
Precisely. Hence the emphasis on the word *POSSIBILITY*. Still the heliocentric anon. >>17789609 wasn't me, if you didn't notice.
>>17789660
Show me a model of gravity in any belief system you think I might not be familiar with. Hint: You'll need to invent one yourself, because I'm already familiar with all models of gravity created thus far.
>>17789665
>Does that mean private companies are in on this too?
No. All NASA has to do is convince everyone well enough that they'll do all those things on their own.
It wouldn't be hard for NASA to inject an agent into every space-facing organizations on Earth. Cointel is a thing. Not saying that's what's happening, but it's certainly POSSIBLE.
>>17789786
>>17789752
nice spamming
Did you hear about orbits and things falling down? Did you hear about things having different weights at different altitudes?
simple shit to test
>>17789792
>unable to name one test he performed
>>17789734
Are you from the South Pole?
>>17789794
>Show me a model of gravity in any belief system you think I might not be familiar with
what the fuck? it has nothing to do with believe systems
>>17789799
I'm not. I'm just unsure wether you are serious
>>17789759
The fuck are you on about, then? Just because I don't personally own any forensic equipment doesn't mean that I should distrust every forensics specialist I come across. Either clarify your goddamn opaque point or shut the hell up.
>>17789690
>in order to understand it
Of course not. Knowledge is modular like that. But until you actually test it, it's just a model that you BELIEVE applies to reality. Being wrong is always possible. Some people like to say that knowledge cannot exist because we can never be certain, but I think in this case it's probably easier to say that knowledge can just be flat out wrong sometimes.
Or it can be wrong often, if we allow that the things considered as (common) knowledge in the past are a valid form of "knowledge."
>>17789798
>hear about
>>17789734
That's because nobody likes you.
>>17789692
>the entire shape of the Earth
No, wrong. >>17789682 has it right. The effects are *veeeeery* slight, to the point where is the Earth had no water, the tidal forces wouldn't be able to do anything. It's only because the surface of the Earth is coated with such a massive chunk of water that this gravitation deformity is possible. Remember that the moon controls the tides in all models.
>>17789696
And how well have those recommendations panned out for you? Got your own personal space cult in your area?
I'd probably actually spend a lot more time looking at the sky if I had anyone to talk to about it.
>>17789848
See this? This is why you don't have any friends.
>>17789860
there's too many mean people like you
>>17789426
Me.
>>17789660
Not me.
>>17789704
Also not me.
Just in case anyone cared to be judgmental dipshit about which anon was which.
(Pro tip: If you stopped caring about how idiotic the other side was, you might end up actually discussing each others logic.)
>>17789837
>Remember that the moon controls the tides in all models.
Not true, a lot of geocentric models claim magnetism causes the tides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt-n8N_kqto
>>17789832
yes
cool
how can you guys be so paranoid?
>>17789865
We have discussed it, you're just discounting 80% of the thread and saying "You can't prove that!" to anyone who argues.
>>17789709
>countless people
Oh well let's see. Just off the top of my head there was Aristotle, Galileo, and I get the feeling there's someone I'm forgetting. All told, I count three.
Maybe other people independently arrived at that conclusion and they just never bothered to get recognized for it, but 99% of everyone takes their *BELIEF* from the people that actually did it. You can trust other people to do the experiment, I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm just saying that if you take that route of NOT INVESTIGATING FOR YOURSELF, then you don't have actual knowledge.
You actually have beliefs if you TRUST OTHERS.
>>17789848
>And how well have those recommendations panned out for you?
pretty good. I love this hobby. I'm usually do it to relax all by myself, but I'm glad I have a buddy with the same interest who I can talk to or share a stargazing session
>>17789880
It's /x/, paranoia comes with the board.
>>17789729
I was mocking the idea that it takes anything more than a mouth to conclude things. Conclusions mean nothing unless there's something behind them other than someone's behind. Heliocentric here.
>>17788811
>not believing in the true hollow earth covered up by the fake flat earth and miraged by the illusionary globe earth
I'm the earth playing the earth disguised as another earth
>>17789894
>Heliocentric here.
Nobody cares.
>>17789884
>missing the point that much
I'm tired of your shit. Have fun with your "u cant know nuffin" phylosophy
>>17789896
>I bet the Ijewminati did this
>>17789894
yeah, no shit. You have to conclude things based on your observations/measurments
>>17789749
I'm the heliocentric faggot the keeps posting about beliefs, possibility, and logic. Flat Earthers might dimiss it, but fuck if I care. Post pics for my sake, not theirs. Post for the true believers, not skeptics.
Flat because it's the only one with actual proof.
>>17789755
>because he's right behind you
>>17789884
>Just off the top of my head there was Aristotle, Galileo, and I get the feeling there's someone I'm forgetting. All told, I count three.
educate yourself then. there are more than 3 people in the history of human kind, that had ideas about why things fall down/ orbit each other
>>17789764
No, they believe in it because of highschool shills. NASA is just there to perpetuate the belief. It's all about longevity, not being the original source.
>>17789804
I'm ~all around us~
But to answer your question, yes.
>>17789884
Beginning to think you're legitimately brain damaged or something. Just because I haven't run the equations on gravitational physics doesn't mean they suddenly don't apply, and just because I don't have a comprehensive understanding of the properties of light doesn't mean the parts I don't understand or know about don't still work.
>>17789809
Science has created a belief system. Belief systems are just things that contain knowledge about the logic of reality. And sometimes that KNOWLEDGE IS WRONG.
>>17789910
ah ok. But I'm not too much into astro photography (yet), so I'm afraid I have nothing to show off without making a session right now. But thanks for your interest
>>17789931
you can literally see space with your own eyes, so I still dont know what you are on about with your "believe" shit
>same people who unironically believe the earth is flat doesn't believe in gravity either
well that would explain my sides
>>17789827
My point was perfectly clear. I'm a heliocentric arguing that conspiracies are physically and logistically possible, that true knowledge comes from testing shit you BELIEVE in, and that beliefs are the only thing you can have if all you ever do is trust other people, which is a totally valid thing to do.
>>17789884
DUDE EVERYBODY IS LYING AT YOU LMAO
THE WHOLE WORLD IS OUT TO GET YOU
>>17789917
Provide said proof, then.
>>17789975
There's a guy named Lucifer who deceives the world
He's the father of lies.
This is ancient knowledge.
>>17789871
Then those models are wrong. If you want the tide over many months, the pattern will be obvious. If a model doesn't include the moon controlling the tides, then it's very probably wrong. (But I won't say that it MUST be wrong, because I haven't heard every conceivable explanation of reality yet.)
>>17789882
>We
The /x/ userbase changes on a daily basis. There is no consensus on this issue. Instead of mildly haranguing anons that have been here before, you actually come across as a complete dick to people that are just now looking at these threads for the first time.
>we
Kill yourselves.
>>17789897
Apparently people do, if me arguing for the reasoning behind the flat Earth conspiracy results in faggots thinking I'm not a heliocentric believer.
>>17789901
If you were trying to make a point, make it louder. I was explaining my point, nothing more, nothing less.
>cant know nuffin
See >>17789700
Let me rephrase.
*I* have enough epistemology to know things, and to know that I know things. You're a faggot and you have no way to know things because you think trusting others to possess knowledge means that you have knowledge too. No, what you have is trust, and that makes anything you hear become a belief in your mind. When I hear things, I can use my intellect to discern if it's legit or not, but you're just a faggot with beliefs. You probably think a ton of things that you have no way to verify.
>>17789909
No, *IN SCIENCE* you have to conclude things based on your *recorded* observations. Nothing stops people from concluding retarded things. Not even science.
>>17789984
I guess the moon (negative charge) still does "control" the tides in the geocentric model I'm thinking of. I was just replying hastily.
>people who are so enlightened and open minded that they can literally believe ANYTHING that doesn't fit in common knowledge
>spends all day on theufosarehere.blogspot.com instead of buying a $100 telescope/make some sort of experiment
wew you must be absolutely right about everything ever
>>17789928
I was listing people that figured out the Earth was round. It has more to do with watching the sun and moon than it does with gravity.
>>17789943
Right, but the reason you being ignorant doesn't cause physics to diverge is because you're just an irrelevant little faggot. I'm not saying your beliefs are wrong, I'm just saying they are beliefs.
>>17789482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS12p0Zqlt0
>>17789955
>not too much into astro photography (yet)
GDI anon. And here I thought we might get some OC.
...Relatively speaking.
>tfw the sky is the least original thing in history
>>17789978
Not for that attitude.
>>17790022
A telescope doesn't prove size or distance or makeup. It only proves the existence of a ball. This is so obvious I can't explain it to you.
>>17789966
Space doesn't have any inherent relationship on the shape of the Earth. The only relationship comes from the heliocentric model, which states that our entire world is just one planet in the solar *system*.
average flatfag counterargument:
>"haha you can't prove anything about what you're saying"
>still firmly believes the earth is flat without any actual proof besides muh jewspiracy
>>17789975
YEAH I KNOW BUT IT'S FINE IT'S OKAY I CAN TAKE IT BUT IT'S NICE TO HAVE SOMEONE ADMIT IT FINALLY.
>>17790018
I kind of figured it was something like that after I made that post. "Moon is big magnet" is a valid explanation for the mechanism that allows the moon to control the tides.
>>17790038
>A telescope doesn't prove
It does though.
>size
It proves relative size to a specific degree of accuracy, based on the telescope. Obviously a mirror-based telescope isn't reliable if you don't believe in your own reflection.
>distance
It proves relative distance to other objects, provided that you witness one object occluding another. If you do not witness such occlusions, then it can be astronomically difficult to get any good sense of the distance involved.
>makeup
That requires spectroscopy, but it's still possible.
>>17790046
>Depth perception
>Mental gymnastics
>>17790038
That goes for you too
>>17790048
>without any actual proof
Go outside. Look around. See the sun.
Their reasoning isn't wrong, it's just limited to what they've actually seen for themselves. The Earth IS flat on local geographic scales, but the shape of the Earth beyond the horizon can't be directly observed without getting really high.
>>17790038
>It only proves the existence of a ball
right, "they" put those balls in there too, not a chance they actually formed because of gravity, that would be completely irrational because the earth, another astronomical object, is obviously flat
also
>Not for that attitude.
continue to enlighten us with your supreme secret knowledge, you are doing so well trying to hide your own embarrassment about how utterly retarded, lazy and stupid your beliefs are
>>17790077
>relative size
That has no absolute value.
>>17790079
>depth perception
>From a single-point observation
>not even binocular telescope for parallax
You guys just don't think.
>>17790077
>distance
To add on to this:
Measuring distance is a HUGE problem with astronomy. Even out most powerful telescopes give us shit all in the way of judging distance. For local stars, the only way we can approximate their distance relative to the Earth is by measure how far they deviate in the sky as we orbit the sun. What we actually measure is their distance from the sun, and that only really works in the plane of our orbit. Stars that maintain their distance all year long are hard to read. The entire field is fraught with virtually absolute uncertainty.
I'm still not sure we can use red/blueshift to measure the distances of galaxies. I don't know how to tell local gravitation anomalies apart from supposedly universal gravitational anomalies, and I don't really see why we should conclude one way or the other at those scales.
