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If the thing was slowly taking over the earth, how could we know?
>>17706074
But anon, there are no alyums and Satan already rules the world.
>In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
2 Corinthians 4:4
>>17706074
Probably because of all the Things that would be running around.
>>17706074
its too late goyim
>>17707275
See the truth. Realize both are true.
Realize none are true.
Earth is actually ran by mammon, who is a lesser daemon working for Satan. Presumably gods plan involves the Angels destroying the earth at some point to terminate human wickedness.
>>17707275
How cute. And I bet you believe your system of belief grants you free will...
You religious types are totes adorbs.
>>17707275
But that quote doesn't say satan rules the earth. It says that humans are blinded.
Jesus is king of earth. Period.
>>17707814
>Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
John 18:36
Read your Bible, pal.
>We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
1 John 5:19
>And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
Ephesians 2:1-3
The “sons of disobedience” are those who have not trusted Christ as Lord and Savior (read also Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Revelation 13:12).
>>17707814
In:
>>17707275
>the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers
This "god of the world" who has blinded the minds of the unbelievers is Satan, not Christ. He (Satan) is also described as the "prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2 >>17707953 and as the "ruler of this world" in John 12:31.
>>17707953
wow. you can really interpret a bunch of vague passage to fit any argument you want, can't you?
amazing shit, the bible is.
>>17707275
>>17707953
>>17707978
>>17707980
Jesus says:
>"My kingdom is not of this world" (Jn 18:36)
Satan is described as:
>"the god of this world" (2 Cor 4:4)
>"the whole world lies in the power of the evil one" (1 Jn 5:19)
>"the prince of the power of the air" (Eph 2:2)
>"the ruler of this world" (Jn 12:31)
How is this "vague"?
>>17707989
The truth doesn't change just because you don't want to hear it.
>>17708000
if you have to explain who the quotes are about, rather than provide a quote expressly explaining it...
*SPOILER ALERT*
...it's vague and up to your particular interpretation.
An organism that allows for the hive-mind of Lucifer is all that is needed. Dispersion can take many routes, airborne, blood borne direct contact. Chem-trails would be great too.
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/04/the-thing-140000-year-old-organism-discovered-under-ice-in-antaerctias-lake-vostok.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-fwIWZJTj8
ie Morgellons disease.
>>17708006
if only you had just a bit more self awareness...
>>17708043
>God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.
2 Corinthians 5:21
Is this vague too?
>>17708066
Whatever helps you sleep at night pal.
>>17708077
Let me try and explain it better.
The creator of the matrix made a rule within the system, that all beings must follow the advice of the last perfect awaked being (Jesus) Neo.
The rules of the matrix are not effected by our personal opinions or emotions they just are.
The hive mind, agent smith (Lucifer.) begins his conquest soon. As the way back to the throne is cut off from him now, and he will be here.
>>17708077
That is the very definition of vague.
You're just trolling now, aren't you?
>>17708093
You don't need to explain anything and your "explanation" is a shitpost.
>>17708105
>He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His might.
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
Now is this clear enough for you?
>>17708116
>everlasting destruction
>everlasting
>destruction
>a never ending finality
this is what you've chosen to believe.
i'm out.
I think this is the fastest I've ever seen a thread derail...
Everyone gets hurt at some point. And, when they do, if their body doesn't act quite right, then you know something's up. Remember that every individual part of the The Thing is its own organism. Even its blood. Even the blood that it bleeds will try to survive. The illusion will fall apart if he gets hurt, even a small scrape.
And, if you see a person who is desperately afraid of even the slightest injuries, you've got yourself a thing... Or a pathetic man-child.
>>17708116
>ÆLIAN
You are making the assumption that these people understand Christianity and have the fear of God, when you are on an occult board and the people most likely will have no fear of God or hell.
They are saying you are vague because you are imposing your emotions and love of God and fear of hell, along with personal knowledge of the truth onto them.
They have to experience something that gives them the fear to understand it. Like seeing God move in this world by bringing destruction.
People are going to keep saying you are vague, unless you can relate it on a level they can understand.
Or if you can show them God acting in the world with destruction. :)
>>17708159
I'm sorry, but if your god wanted anyone to understand, he could have started by making his seminal work concise, non-cryptic, and maybe, just maybe, have been able to describe his creation with a little more accuracy than the earth being flat and bats being birds.
If a book reads like it was written by man with limited knowledge, maybe that should tell you something...
>>17706074
If I remember right the whole thing about "the thing" was that if it got into general population it would annex all of humanity in 14 hours or so. If it was out there, we wouldn't be around to question it for very long at all.
>>17708195
I imagine we'd realize something was wrong around the point where your loved ones are asking you to put their blood in you. And, if not, you'd certainly notice around the point at which your girlfriend's face comes off and her chest is eating your hands.
>>17708183
People don't judge sacred text, with the filter of a novel or judge esoteric books based on their "writing styles" human beings judge them based on their ability to reflect reality or portents.
If you find the Torah Cryptic shill, I would stay away from Plato and the vedic texts.
Maybe consider Fifty shades of grey.
>>17708138
I'm not the one who chose to reject God, pal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jkaEXdLXls
>Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Matthew 7:13-14
>>17707781
Maybe he just shouldn't have made us wrong to begin with? Fuck I'm smarter than god and I have limited perspective.
>>17708214
Or maybe your limited perspective only makes you THINK you're smarter than God!
>>17708156
When they took Copper's blood in the John Carpenter version, he didn't go all ape shit though. It was only AFTER the experiment worked and he was backed into the corner that he went full Thing.
>>17708214
I think the idea behind it was, beings created first had no appreciation for the perfect reality.
So the imperfect beings were created so that they would experience the lesser reality to appreciate the ultimate reality.
Some people think, the imperfect beings were created just to give them something to say and talk about in the ultimate reality.
Some people would also say, creation is a simulation to give God people worthy to talk to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRr98d-L3zQ
>>17708224
Lol. Sure. I just know if I deliberately created an entire species WRONG, I wouldn't punish them for my own fuck up. You know... being omnipotent and all you might see it coming.
>>17708208
And you don't think the evaluation of a text based on all it's aspects is worth it? Wow. Now I know not to come to you for any intelligent discussions.
>>17708211
I don't make a habit out of rejecting OR accepting things that i don't believe in. That would be retarded. And pointless. Like your continued proselytization.
>>17708244
Or he could just beam appreciation into the first beings. Seeing how he is omnipotent and all. Lotta theatrics for this god of your's. And how much of my paycheck am I commanded to give? 10% of my earnings?
>>17708183
The Holy Bible is not a science book.
>>17708283
Clearly.
>>17708265
>They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of their ignorance and hardness of heart.
Ephesians 4:18
>>17708242
I imagine that if one were to leave The Thing blood on the ground, the blood would be like "ew, germs" and then would try to crawl away to some place cleaner and safer. It wasn't noticeable in the movie because they didn't have the time or attention to see. But, it could/would happen in a more calm, daily life scenario, and you'd notice it more easily.
It's alive, the blood isn't just going to sit there forever.
>>17708291
It doesn't seem so clear to you since you are treating it as such.
>>17708314
"K" as in "Okay, I am now aware that the Holy Bible is not meant to be treated like a science book" or "K" as in "K xD stop lol"?
>>17708297
"Anybody who doesn't believe my book isn't as smart as those that do. Now gib cash."
-my book
Anybody can write that shit. Kek
>>17708283
Yeah, your right. Why expect any forward thinking out of an all knowing creation deity? How could he have known we would go to space and take pictures of Earth, or examine the wildlife?
I know I'll sleep easy tonight knowing that my loving creator just shoots from the hip when he decides to tell me something important!
>>17708301
Let's rerail this motherfucker.
>>17708324
>All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
>>17708328
The Holy Bible is not a science book. What don't you understand exactly?
>>17708322
Not that anon, but that was clearly "K" as in "K, I'm not wasting any more time talking to you, tripfag"
>>17708339
I don't expect it to be a science book. But I do expect it to be ALOT less flawed.
What about that do YOU not understand?
>>17708332
Well, it's hard with such a small, pointless post like that to work off of.
>>17708339
How bout we shy away from scientific arguments to a more logical argument?
Your god makes the claim that you have free will, yet his very nature disallows this possibility. It's hard to give something free will when you know the entirety of the outcomes within it's lifespan before it is even born.
Free will or an all knowing creator. pick one.
Godfags, please, stfu. If I wanted scriptural entertainment i'd be reading a Chick tract. Now, fuck off and don't come back.
>>17708375
It's a jumping off point.
My question about The Thing is what would happen when it takes over an entire planets biodiversity? Does it reach critical mass and become something like the Brethren Moons (Dead Space)? I think that is the most likely scenario. The Thing was heavily inspired by H.P. Lovecraft horror novels. That's where the Brethren Moons idea came from as well.
>>17708339
Or how about the problem with filling a text with allegory and parable, as well as actual accounts, but no clear way to discern which is which? Did god actually turn Lot's waifu into a pillar of salt? How about the tale of Jonah?
If we take those as parable, how can we draw the line and say that the entirety of the story of Jesus isn't also a parable?
No. If your god is real, and the bible is his word, then he is a flawed and shitty communicator, and thus far from perfect, and at that point, is he even worth your praise? If you think so, then you have low standards, friend.
>>17708407
I find Dead Space to be a poorly made game and horror experience, so I don't know much about the Brethren Moons. But, it's not clear if The Thing has to feed/eat at all. If I had to give a guess, I would say it doesn't. It's probably copied some plant life or something similar to it and can photosynthesize. And, if it can't yet, it will be able to once it's eaten everything.
I wonder why it went to Earth. Was it just an accident? Did it think that the small amount of itself that it sent would be enough to take over the planet? I mean, theoretically, it wasn't wrong. That still seems cocky, though. Or, did it crash at Earth by completely random chance? That's a pretty important question to answer in order to know whether or not it NEEDS to feed and thus what it would do after it's eaten everything.
>>17708380
>Your god
"My" "god" is God.
I'm Catholic btw, not calvinist.
>>17708440
Ok I guess to give you an example you might have more context to would be a comparison to the critical mass of a Gravemind Flood form. Something like that is what I am referring to. Where it develops a final hyper intelligent collective mind.
If you watch the John Carpenter The Thing I believe that the spacecraft has some sort of problem and crash lands. It could be the final desperate measure of the aliens that owned the ship? Like Macready and black guy burning down and blowing up the entire base at the end. Could it have been some sort of bio weapon? Want a planet? Send down the virus, it infects everything, send down the cure, everything turns to dust. Did you ever read the script for the mini series that they were going to do? It was pretty interesting. Sad to see they never ran with it.
>>17708514
Bioweapon seems like the most likely scenario. The act of invading a planet just doesn't seem necessary for The Thing. It doesn't really get much out of it. Unless it just likes biodiversity for the sake of itself.
I feel like wasting all the plant life would be a bit wasteful of any invading species, though. Plus, it's implied The Thing was frozen for a pretty long time. Why not send a second weapon when the first one has clearly failed or at least is inconveniently delayed?
As for the first question, I think if it didn't need a disguise, it wouldn't use one. So, once it had won, I think that it would definitely just sort of become whatever horrible amalgamation of everything it felt like being. Like it does when it wants to seem threatening/feed quickly.
Wasn't there a The Thing video game? I know I've heard about it before. Never played it though. If it exists, it would be a super old computer game. Like, "I Have no Mouth and I Must Scream" kind of old.
>>17708485
Can you prove this with a signed, dated, and notarized document that can be recognized in a court of law?
>>17708558
I suppose that's pretty accurate. I believe they said it had been trapped some 100,000 years or so. It would make sense to just send another one if they wanted to. Or maybe like you said, it was an accident.
And there was a Thing video game. I remember getting it for Christmas when I was I think 13 or 14 (I'm 28). It was a Playstation 2 game. I remember being fuckin stoked cause I was (still am) a huge fan. What did you think of the prequel? I felt fairly disappointed. Felt like I was watching a remake.
>>17706074
I think it was implied that it's sort of a mindless creature that only simulates intelligence, and doesn't actually process 'thoughts', as it's just a collection of single-cell organisms working together. It's kind of similar to the Alzabo from Book of the New Sun, an alien that gains the 'mind' of its victims after consuming them, but it's just an evolutionary adaptation that helps them to lure and trap prey, so they're not actually intelligent beings.
It's like that Chinese Box thing.
Anyway, this means that we would have noticed signs of this kind of thing by now, as it needs to physically digest creatures in order to become them, and can't process clothes. Also, since its individual cells are alive by themselves, someone would have noticed them by now.
>>17708595
I don't think I ever saw it.
I want to play that game, though. I thought it was older than that. If it's PS2 I can probably find a play it.
>>17708485
Everyone thinks their god is the correct one.
>>17708607
Well, it doesn't digest the person and then become them. It becomes the person from the inside. It systematically replaces every cell in the body until the body is now The Thing. So, it wouldn't need to replace clothes. The clothes would still be on the body that is now The Thing.
>>17708615
You are both right. Its digestion method just makes the process a lot faster. But one cell could still take over an entire host.
>>17708608
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(video_game)
It was definitely worth a couple playthroughs. Lots of spoops and adrenaline. You have to test members of your team for the virus. Test yourself so they trust you more. Give them weapons to up their trust as well. Until one of the turns. Lol. It was great fun.
>>17708615
>>17708628
But the movie literally showed that it couldn't process the clothes, anon. I'm not sure about the story it's based on, though.
>>17708645
I haven't read it yet but it is called At the Mountains of Madness by H.P. Lovecraft. Dude was WAY, WAY ahead of his time.
>>17708681
No, The Thing was based on a 50s sci fi movie that was based on a story called "Who Goes There", by John W. Campbell.
Mountains of Madness is just where John Carpenter got a lot of his thematic inspiration. I still wish we could get a direct adaptation of it. I still believe that Guillermo Del Toro could do it justice, but it'dl cost a lot.
