I've had a problem with intense dreams, even on short naps. The result is waking up groggy and my heart racing. I'd really like some quiet, restful, dreamless sleep. Any suggestions?
And no melatonin. It makes it worse.
Smoke weed. No shit you hardly dream at all and if you do it's pretty laid back.
>>17686431
Have you tried transferring your dreams to a willing recipient? It tends to work in my experience.
>>17686438
This is 100 percent true
I never dream
>>17686473
Yup weed takes away your dreams. Or drink before bed. But not really healthy.
But you should embrace the dreams. They cant harm you. Learn from them.
>>17686438
>>17686473
I miss dreaming. But I need some comforts and withdraw sucks.
>>17686431
Valerian root supplements might help. My friends with high anxity take them to help sleep. I've tried some but I was smoking weed on top of that.
>>17686480
I don't know what they are. I have vague images on waking and I'm usually under the stress of fight or flight. I am not waking up peacefully.
>>17686431
There isn't really such a thing as restful, dreamless sleep. Dreams mean you are reaching REM sleep, which is an important stage. Smoking and drinking suppress REM sleep by making your body stay in a deep sleep rather than going into the lighter stages for REM. If you are having trouble with dreams affecting your sleep, it's probably a symptom of something else. I'd say you could try seeing a sleep specialist, as you probably have sleep apnea.
>>17686450
I mean this in the nicest way, please don't be such a RP'ing faggot. It's really what makes this board so shitty. This board would benefit heavily from less roleplay and more skepticism. Not disbelief, but skeptics who want proof of things, or want to search for evidence and information.
I can attest to smoking weed taking your dreams away also. The only dreams that I ever have (remember) are horrible nightmares about me bleeding from my mouth and ripping or spitting my teeth out. It doesn't happen often though, man!
>>17686508
all hes saying is changing the dream from bad to good whats so rp about that.
>>17686616
> transferring your dreams to a willing recipient
>somehow means changing the dream from bad to good
That sounds nothing like what he is saying. You know damn well he means some bullshit about actually giving someone else your dreams.
>>17686506
This.
You're better off trying to "fix" your dreams than eliminate them, since you really can't. The only other thing you can do is try to suppress or forget them quickly.
>>17686431
Smoke a lot of weed.
>>17686431
Some people (spiritualists) conclude that dreams originate (or are caused) by 5th dimensional spiritual forces. (god, demons, etc)
Others conclude (scientists) that they are the byproduct of a thinking machine (the brain) which never truly shuts down.
Shamans use Calea Zatazechi (dream herb) in South America to enhance dreams and increase the memorability of the dreams themselves as they see dreams being from the gods.
Everyone dreams but not everyone remembers their dreams. We know this to be true based on countless sleep studies of which an amazing article on this can be found in Psychology Today magazine. Not everyone reaches the Lucid Dreaming state as often as the next person. Because everyone is different it is a tasking subject to conquer.
The best method to avoid dreaming, well there really isn't one. We are no more in control of our dreams and the frequency at which we have them more than we are in control of losing socks in the dryer.
If you really want to stop dreaming it is my suggestion (as your /x] doctor) that you kill yourself as soon as possible via asphyxiation of helium. Its essentially painless and has been catching on as the #1 painless suicide method for years now. It will cost you around $160 for all the required materials but in your case, it's totally worth it.
>>17686431
I actually have a friend that suffers from persistent nightmares so this would be helpful. Thanks OP for the thread.
>>17686431
Remember, YOU are in control of your dreams.
>>17686508
This
>>17686508
First off, this isn't RP and my advice wasn't wrong. If you've never tried transferring or sharing dreams, I can see how you might be skeptical of my advice.
But by the same token, you know nothing about it.
>skeptics who want proof of things
No, it has that. It has always had that. It will always have that. That won't make the board better at all. It doesn't exactly make it worse, but it can never make the board better. It's just a thing you'll have to accept about people; before they've ascended to omniscience, they'll be ignorant of some things.
>want to search for evidence and information
Nobody's stopping you. Nobody's ever stopped you from doing that. That is more or less the entire purpose of /x/.
If you want a real mindfuck, ask yourself why you think this is RP. Investigate that, and be serious about it. What could make you believe so strongly that this must be RP?
>>17687421
Or just smoke heaps of weed. Several users have already stated the most effective solution, minus the attitude.
>>17688970
I believe it is RP because dreams are caused by chemical reactions and electrical signals in the brain. It is currently impossible to transmit those signals from one brain to another without extensive equipment, and even then it's inaccurate. An individual can influence the dreams of others with suggestion and psychology, but you can't take a dream and put it in someone else's head.
>>17689256
>caused by chemical reactions
Everything that isn't the glow of the sun is said to be that under modern physics. Non-specific ideas aren't valid logic.
>can influence the dreams of others with suggestion and psychology
>can't take a dream and put it in someone else's head
Pick one.
>>17689283
>Pick one
No, both are true in the exact capacity that I wrote them.
>Everything that isn't the glow of the sun is said to be that under modern physics. Non-specific ideas aren't valid logic.
You're arguing semantics, and you are doing it poorly. brain chemistry is called such because it is literal chemistry occurring in the brain. Everything that occurs in the brain in regards to it's function are chemical reactions and neurons firing caused by/creating more chemical reactions.
>>17689301
>the exact capacity
Then you're useless to anyone willing to learn. It's the ability to infer exact capacities that makes this dialogue possible, and it's that ability's absence that composes the necessity for children to learn.
The point is that "hurr durr muh chemicals" isn't an explanation. There are a number of things that can reach across the globe despite being "chemicals." If you really want to have a solid discussion of any notable possibility like dream sharing, you have to be capable of discussing things as more than just chemical processes. "It's chemicals," doesn't tell you what love feels like, what betrayal feels like, or how to maintain a relationship with another batch of chemical that maintains love with minimal place for the chemical reactions that propagate betrayal.
"It's all chemicals" can never say why one thing is possible while another supposedly isn't.
You're right in that dreams aren't objects and can't be picked up and moved around the way we might trade trinkets, but we can definitely create a circuit that allows "dreams" to move from one person to another. Picking only one of your statements was meant to indicate something about the nature of my meaning. Whether by suggestion, consent, or magic, dreams can be transferred between people.
>>17689370
>The point is that "hurr durr muh chemicals" isn't an explanation
It's an accurate representation of what happens. I can start pulling some peer reviewed studies if you'd like, they explain it in big boy words for you.
>what love feels like, what betrayal feels like
feelings are not quantifiable data, they are qualia. The quantifiable part is what chemicals play important parts in those emotions, and what areas of the brain show more/less activity during that emotion.
>"It's all chemicals" can never say why one thing is possible while another supposedly isn't
Science does exactly that. Physics and mathematics describe EXACTLY that.
>You're right
Should have just stopped there
>create a circuit that allows "dreams" to move from one person to another
Completely false under the context you are speaking. You cannot take a dream from one person, in the sense that they will no longer have that dream, and give it to another. The only known way to affect dreams are by causing chemical changes, or changes in thought patterns. Neither of these accomplish what you speak of and there is nothing capable of that as of yet.
>>17689487
>an accurate representation
Except it isn't. Dismissing everything as chemicals corrodes all structure and meaning. The same way dismissing everything as god or as fairy logic corrodes all meaning. In order for a representation to be accurate, it needs to actually resemble the thing it's trying to explain. No single word can ever fulfill that function.
>Science does exactly that
"hurr durr chemicals" isn't science. You have to actually explain the science behind it if you want to matter, or to teach anyone about the nature of matter for that matter.
>in the sense that they will no longer have that dream
But that is precisely what you CAN do.
>changes in thought patterns
Mutual consent, ie., a circuit, changes thought patterns.
Listen, have you ever tried this? Because if you haven't and I have, then I'm twice the scientist you are in this context.
>>17689510
>You have to actually explain the science behind it if you want to matter, or to teach anyone about the nature of matter for that matter
You don't need to have a definitive understanding of the atomic composition of the brain to understand the simple concept behind chemical signals and synapses. Knowledge has tiers and levels, which are built upon from the bottom up. Endorphins flooding your brain and causing you to feel good, and cause pleasure is something that can be understood without having to explain much. You are arguing that you can't explain how to make a paper plane without explaining bernoulli's principle and fluid dynamics.
>But that is precisely what you CAN do.
>Mutual consent, ie., a circuit, changes thought patterns.
Those are not a transfer, Those are just affecting a malleable process. A simple analogy of this would be a drunk person giving a sober person a drink. The drunk person does not get more sober, the sober person just gets drunk. The attempt to twist your words to match what I'm saying is not subtle.
>I'm twice the scientist you are in this context.
Flies eat shit and I don't, that doesn't make them any more knowledgeable about the shit they eat. At this point, you are doing nothing but trolling, unless you actually believe yourself. If the latter, I simultaneously pity you but hope you suck start a shotgun.
>>17689591
Not agreeing with that other retard, but you can't actually prove any of that under epistemological solipsism or the problem of induction.
Even ignoring that, brain processes are still mostly unknown.
>>17689591
It's not very nice to wish death on someone, much less for such an innocuous reason.
>>17689758
Great thing about free speech, it's not always nice.
>>17689731
Fair, but we know enough about physics and chemistry to come to the conclusion that you can't recreate exact duplicates of synapses in another individual through willpower alone.
>>17686431
You should meditate. You have anxiety because of unaddressed issues. Objectively analyzing yourself and the reasons for your stress will relieve your anxiety. You have to be honest with yourself.
Personally, a lot of my anxiety stems from guilt I feel about not doing what I think I should, as well as doing things I think I shouldn't. Mostly the former.
The more I ignore these things, the more anxiety haunts me like a whirling dark mess over my shoulder.
Confront your stressors. Be honest with yourself. Meditate. Forgive others. Forgive yourself (I find this far more difficult.) Let go, and realize everything is perfectly fine. All tragedy and pain, missed opportunities, regrets, shameful moments, etc. is all a necessary part of the harmonious, flowing balance of it all. You are okay.
Also, you may have an overabundance of dopamine signalling and may wish to avoid MAO inhibitors.
In case you guys haven't figured it out, The Fairy Twat is an attention whoring troll. Filter, hide, or ignore.
is it bad if you dont dream at all because you smoke weed every day? i dont remember any of my dreams...
the one dream i do have or at least remember when i wake up is on where i feel like im breaking my teeth
>>17686431
Dreams are telling you something about your waking life. Only way to get rid of them is to figure out what they are telling you and change.
>>17689760
>Great thing about free speech, it's not always nice.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Free speech also doesn't protect you from the consequences of what you say. If you say cruel or dumb things, other peoples' right of free speech means they can call you out on it.
go to a doctor and get some ativan or something. say exactly what is happening, you are waking up with extreme anxiety/heart racing/etc. if you are drinking, cut back. if smoking weed gives you anxiety like it started to do for me, or you don't have time to trip for an hour before crashing, it probably won't really help. i say ativan because it really helped me get a few solid nights in, it's not great to take too often but once in a while when you're just exhausted and need a break from shitty sleep it helps. I'm assuming you've tried obvious things like cutting out caffeine and getting a lot of exercise, taking enough magnesium, vitamin D (2000 mg a day) and b12. If not, cover those bases first before you look for other measures. I was getting really trippy dreams that felt like astral travel, and waking suddenly with my heart trying to break out of my chest because of them, experience deaths from past lives, etc, and medication was the only thing so far to help. Been through a lot of trauma lately and seeing a doctor, getting blood tests to cover all the bases and fix any deficiencies, and hitting the gym 3 times a week was just the start for me learning to sleep better again, but you can do it. Healthy sleep comes from healthy eating and activities for the most part, don't worry it's not ghouls.
