is it possible to go to sleep in a dream?
is it possible to lucid dream while in a dream?
is it possible to repeat this ad infinitum?
how deep does it go?
>>17640031
It only goes 4 deep. Haven't you seen inception?
The way I see it, there is no limit how "deep" you can go in a dream as only pieces of the dream environment are generated at a time (similar to rendering in computer games/simulations). It would surely be possible to have the dream environment seem bigger than Earth, but it wouldn't actually be 'there' as any impression of size would be an illusion in itself.
I wonder why dreams feel so realistic, lol.
Great Owl of Bohemia
>>17640088
We need to go deeper...
>BWAAAAAM
>BWAAAAAAAAM!
>BWAAAAAAAAAAMMMM!!!
>>17640031
DREAM GENERAL. >17625608
I've woken up from like 2 dreams inside of a dream to another dream that shit sucked cuz they were always nightmares leading to other nightmares
>>17640031
I've only ever been about 3 layers deep in nightmares. This usually happens during a lucid or semi lucid state, where you may be so terrified you either pass out or wake into another "reality". It's never been a very pleasant experience. I love my nightmares, they are exhilarating as fuck, but I swear I'm gonna spontaneously die of fright one day.
>>17640031
I have false awakenings quite often; so I guess you could say I was asleep but don't recall a dream within the dream. Not saying their wasn't just that I don't remember.
They usually come in batches and it will hit me 4 or so times in one night. Each tine waking up but something will be wrong.
I "awake" many times in dreams to find myself in my room with a friend. But something will make me realize I am dreaming and I even try explaining it to the friend but they never believe me. I even feel bad about truly awaking as it essentially kills them and they seem as real as you or I in my waking life.
>>17640151
same reason being awake does. All interpretations made by your mind..
objectively speaking it should feel just as real.
Makes you realize how easily "reality" could not be as real as you think.
>I still side with simulation personally. Makes a lot of sense; especially when you consider quantum level weirdness that only makes sense as a computer program.
>>17641280
>Simulation world
Possible, but if we live in a Matrix, does it really change the meaning in what occurs in our everyday lives? Also, what if reality is nothing but a stream of computers infinitely simulating more universes, just like dreams within dreams?
I had a lucid dream inside a lucid dream a couple days ago
After going into dream #2, things were more chaotic
I ended up waking up into dream one and had a hard time waking up for real
>>17640031
I had a dream last year where I "woke up" in the dream around 10 times. I kept waking up, noticing something was "off", realising Im still dreaming, then waking up again. A few of them were hyper-realistic. In one I actually got up, went to the bathroom, reached out to switch on the light.. and there was no light switch.
If it wasn't for the missing light switch I think I could have easily been fooled into thinking I was awake. They were that realistic.
It took me 2 days to fully get over the dream. I kept asking myself.. "am I awake?"..
>>17641327
simulation or not. I don't feel it affects anyone day to day or that meaning is somehow diminished.
>>17640031
I have woken up from dreams only to be in another dream.
>>17641398
cool
why are there never lights or switches in dreams?
it's so odd.
>>17641398
please wake up
>>17640031
>be me
>fall asleep
>lucid dream
>fuck yes
> do the usual flying and that
>wonder what its like to meditate while lucid
>sit down to meditate
>two men in labcoats calmly stand me up
> two stand either side
>one is writing shit down
>other grabs my arm to escort me, not in a threatening manner
>i remember feeling scared, but somewhat trusting of them so follow them
>they put me in this glass room
cant remember anything else, woke up shortly after
what the fuck man, dreams are weird.
Also important to note as soon as these guys came, i could not control shit even though i was aware i was dreaming
>>17641398
Always do a reality check when you wake up. I find that the most efficient reality check is to close your nose and try to breath through it.
If you can, you're dreaming.
You always have your nose and your hands so you can perform this check where ever and whenever
>>17642696
or just look at your hands, or in a mirror, always fuck up in dreams
>>17642700
I always felt like those weren't jarring enough for me to say "Ok, this is definitely a dream."
I just accept those as normal for some reason.
Also a mirror isn't always available.
>>17641327
why do people always answer the simulation hypothesis with such an apathetic rhetoric?
>>17640031
DREAMS GO HERE. >>17625608
>>17644117
Well, in order for something to be a hypothesis it needs to both
A.) be falsifiable
B.) have some sort of evident basis
So the idea we live in a simulation is just a crazy idea. If we think about the nature of computing, assuming the parent universe to a simulation has the same fundamental laws of physics as the simulation, then the properties of a single quark (spin, orientation, momentum, position) need to be calculated for every fundamental particle in the known universe. Assuming some maximally powerful computer can hold all of this information on a single atom, not even considering the connections between these atomic bits, you would already need more atoms than there are in the observable universe to produce such a computer. Another logical contradiction to this idea is that 99% of the universe is dark energy and dark matter that doesn't interact with observable matter and energy. This seems extremely wasteful and highly inefficient, one would assume a species intelligent enough to create such a virtually impossible device wouldn't build it with 99% of its power going to stuff totally irrelevant to the simulation.
>>17644137
fuck you
go get a job if you want to manage people
>>17644153
Why are you assuming any rules of the simulation carry over outside of it, tho?
>>17642477
I have light switches but it is like they are glued in one position.
If I really persist in pushing it the bulb just blows.
I have never adjusted light levels in a dream. Pretty weird but seems to be universal.
>>17644117
What's the alternative?
>>17640031
No. I mean, it's possible to go to sleep in a dream in the same way it's possible to punch someone in the face in a dream; you don't actually punch anyone in the face, it just feels like you did.
So it's possible to dream that you're going to sleep, but you don't actually go to sleep... you'r already asleep.
>>17644153
>then the properties of a single quark (spin, orientation, momentum, position) need to be calculated for every fundamental particle in the known universe
wrong. They are in a stare of flux until observed at which point the particle will (even retroactively) make up the spin for the observer.
lazy programming at best
>>17640031
at one point in my life when i was meditating everday, i had 2-3 lucid dreams every week.
I tried to astral project while lucid dreaming by laying in bed, going to "sleep", and rolling out of my body. I rolled out and saw my own body but it still felt like a normal lucid dream.
I had sort of the opposite happen a few days ago, I kept waking up only to discover I was still in a dream. It took me five or six times to actually wake up. Literally thought I would never get out of bed.
>>17642691
Dream police
>>17645192
when that happened to me I started to worry something had happened to my "real" body. Started asking people in the dream if my body was okay.
>>17640031
yes, yes, idk
I was 2 layers in, wasnt feeling it, took myself out a layer, and shortly after another layer(waking myself up)
>>17641280
Here's a counter:
What would a simulation from computer systems not deigned by us look like?
>>17640031
It only goes as deep as your body and your biological brain allows you, which is not too deep. It can't be repeated infinitely, and keep in mind that unless you had been training for years, repeating it more than two, three, four times, would just make everything extremely easy for your mind to forget, you simply wouldn't be able to remember but a glimpse of your dreams dreams. Besides, in my personal experience, about 90% of the times when dreaming inside a dream occurs, it is willinglessly, everything fades away then you wake up on another dream, and so on. There is an infinity to explore in dreams, but it doesn't get any "deeper" depending on the amount of times that it occurs within one session.
Yes, the way Inception puts it is very interesting but that's not really how it works.
>>17640088
>4 deep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb3WOx2yHZk
>>17646948
not sure fully what you mean. We can't really conceptualise anything outside of the simulation. It would be like trying to build a higher dimensional object in our 3D space.
I have recently gone through a day in my sleep and then went to sleep inside of my dream and woke up the next day remebering the day before. This is the first time something has happened and it was after receiving super exciting news about a new job. In the dreamy was constantly fuckingup and everyone was upset with me and also woke up late (in the dream). So it was mostly anxiety dream and even though it felt really long when recalling it seemed like only fragments.
I don't know just wanted to share my experience. Sometimes dreams can be more or less lucid giving you more or less control. I have experienced lucid dreaming twice. The first time I started spinning and woke up. The second time I was comforting a friend who was crying in my dream and said "don't worry it's only a dream" which made me 100% lucid for about 20 seconds before waking up. I got to be ezio and double hidden blade people. Everything was creating as I thought about it
>>17648960
>Everything was creating as I thought about it
my favorite part. Things manifest almost as the thought is happening rather than after. So much fun.
What you said about dreaming a day happened to me at school. I dreamed the whole day and was really unprepared for a test. Then woke up and was pissed I had to go to school as it felt I had just got back. No test thankfully but still frustrating.
>is it possible to go to sleep in a dream?
yes
>is it possible to lucid dream while in a dream?
yes, ive done it many times
>is it possible to repeat this ad infinitum?
yes
>>17642609
Kek
Dude, I sat on the toilet for 30 minutes asking myself if it was still a dream. Even the next day, driving to work, I still wasn't 100% sure.
Shit was quite scary desu.
Why aren't there any mirrors in dreams?
>>17649100
Don't look in a mirror in a lucid dream. Seriously.
>>17649122
Why? Obvious question, someone had to ask.
>>17649100
There are.
>>17649122
Oh please. Can we cut this shit out.
>>17649100
there are. I used to use them to check if I was dreaming. You can change your image or look to an infinitely point.
>>17649122
There ARE mirrors in dreams. If you look in a mirror in a dream nothing really happens. If you focus properly upon it apparently you see the true form of your spirit but i've never experienced that.
>>17642691
Don't trust them at all if it happens again. And being afraid can case you to think you're in a dream. Completely focus on the fact that none of it is real and you will succeed.
>>17649153
Bacause your other self will also realise that they're in a dream, and for some reason the breain reacts with anger and attaks you
(I wrote that like a retard, did it work?)
>>17642691
up to the meditate I have had the same. Buy I figured I would try to talk to myself.
before I had finished the idea there I was.
actually had a really deep conversation that helped me find the source of my anxiety.
strangest feeling talking to yourself as it wasn't like in your head. He was markedly different and I guess could have been my subconscious. I still get the vibe he is in me and pissed I didn't follow through on his advice.
If you get to the point in a dream when you are lucid and wonder what to do I can't recommend it higher.
>my guess is your brain knew you were lucid and tried to contain you. No idea what that might mean tho.
If you try to do a w.i.l.d. (wake induced lucid dream) while you're in a LD, you can change the location of the dream. There are no levels of dream like in inception. It's just a film.
>>17640031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_oJAAXSJCc
anyone else ever died in a dream and then not woken up?
happened to me a couple of weeks ago, just started following the killer around after he stabbed me to death
>>17640031
I had a dream where I feel asleep inside the dream. I immediately realized something was wrong because I was suddenly somewhere else but I could remember "falling asleep." I became lucid and flew around and then had anonymous cloud sex.
It started to fuzz out pretty quick, all things considered. I just don't think you can maintain sleep for long if you realize what's happening too much.
the maximun i got was 4
it was a lucid nightmare and i couldnt wake up
i have lucid dreams since i was 10
