I have been having suicidal thoughts lately but the only thing keeping me from doing it is fear. I'm scared of what the other side is like. My hope is that as soon as you die you are reincarnated into another living thing. But idk if that's how it is. Any thoughts?
How the fuck would it work if there is billions more humans alive now than a century ago ?
I doubt it OP. You die and are no longer a closed system detecting the surroundings and forming an idea/model. You kill yourself and it is just nothingness that you can't even fathom because you don't have the tools (senses) to be aware of it. Your energy dissipates back into the entropic cycle
>>17468288
That's why everyone is so shitty, because most people are like an 1/8 of a soul now
>>17468130
Neither. Resurrection to shame and destruction, or resurrection to glory. Either way, we're all eternal; this is our one and only life; choose wisely.
>>17468296
>That's why everyone is so shitty, because most people are like an 1/8 of a soul now
It went through my mind, but then by now, considering the probable amount of original humans on earth (only counting Neanderthal admixture here) we're probably closer to 1/1000th of a soul per person.
Which would make sense and make one wish for void rather than that.
>>17468130
Not reincarnated, just your atoms will be be used again though and will continue to do so until you are whole again.
>>17468130
>I have been having suicidal thoughts lately
How do you know they are yours?
Why did you accept them as yours?
How do you not know not to accept such thoughts as yours?
>>17468314
I agree.
>>17468305
Could be that earth has a limited vibrational life force that is spread throughout living things. When there are too many creatures it runs thin and causes chaos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVxdjmfl8A
>>17468288
Implication that humanity is the only species that is alive on earth or any other planet etc
>>17468130
Reincarnation
As soon as you die your awareness will just be in another body before you have any idea
>>17468296
Read this>>17468379
>>17468130
No evidence to suggest anything other than nothingness. But why should that stop you? Have you ever had dreamless sleep? Same thing, nothing more ever, you just aren't anymore. To me that doesn't sound so bad.
>>17468339
What if evolution will go another way, all organisms joining into one big cluster of thriving life. A creature worthy of calling god.
>>17468314
>>17468334
The atoms that make up your body are constantly being replaced. You're not made up of the same atoms as you were when you were born.
>>17468334
grtheory dot com.
You're welcome.
>>17468417
Every atom added,removed or chemically bonded creates a new network of atoms.
>>17468426
Exactly. So which network makes up the being that is "you"?
>>17468432
Are we therefore the atoms themselves? Or the activity that the atoms perform?
>>17468439
Probably neither, but I wasn't the one who said that we're reformed once the atoms that make up our bodies join together again. Which would imply he believes we are the atoms themselves.
>>17468432
The collection of atoms from when you were born to when you die. All of which are still here. We all share these atoms. If you are mapped down to the atomic level you can also be redone. There can exist original networks and copies. The beauty is that in time all of our atoms will come back together when the sun grows into a giant and engulfs the earth.
>>17468465
The only way we could use every single atom that we've used from birth til death more than once is if everything in existence repeats itself exactly the way it happened before. Sure that could be happening over and over, but each time may as well be the first, since you'll never view an outside perspective of the cycle.
>>17468452
neither was it me, i just joined some random conversation
>>17468474
I'm not so sure that you don't use the same atoms at least once. Haven't you eaten a skin flake or a booger? Lol. In all seriousness come check out my site grtheory dot com or send me an email at biagonist@gmail , I could use like minded individuals looking to contribute.
Then how do we explain past life regressions?
is everyone here high as fuck?
anyone know any magic spells that will make me just die. I've heard some monks can just die by pure willpower.
>>17468288
New souls comig in from elsewhere, you ever notice how the majority of people have no common sense? They new to being human
>>17468130
>What happens after?
Same thing that happened before.
Nothing.
You think the mind is an actual thing? You think that thoughts are anything more than just a couple neuron cells sharing a chemical/electrical charge?
Once you die, those chemical and electrical charges cease activity. The neuronal links deteriorate. No more thoughts. All memories deleted. Everything you knew, loved, preferred, chose, regretted, were proud of, etc, it's all gone forever the moment you die. It can never be retrieved, since it was all just temporary electrical charges that stopped receiving power and can no longer receive power either. If you had some grand scheme for how things would play out after you die, some kind of big secret you would hide somewhere, no one would ever know. It would be erased with your life. You would never even know what happened one second after your death, let alone one minute. No one would ever know what you were thinking. They would eventually find your personal belongings, your porn, everything you had collected in life, and have no idea what any of it meant to you, nor have any way of explaining it beyond assumption.
That is why life is worth living. You get one shot. Just one. Reincarnation, the afterlife, religion, they're all just comfy lies we tell ourselves so that we might die in ignorant happiness when we go, believing that something good will happen right before we blink out of existence forever.
You are the only you that there will ever be. Do you really want your story to end at chapter 5? Who wants to read a half-length novel that didn't even get finished? That the author can't even explain or justify?
I mean, if you want to kill yourself, sure. Maybe life is so painful that destroying your only life might bring you peace, due to ending your suffering (as well as your happiness, lust, love, laughter, knowledge, memories, observations, perferences, etc.). Just know that ending yourself literally ends everything. No do-overs.
>>17468385
Actually i hear there is intermission and you choose when to return
But what do i know
>>17468288
you dont have to incarnate as a human you nit
live a shitty life and you get demoted (animal or insect)
>>17468548
That's very interesting. So probably from other planets. Does that mean we can die and become aliens ?
>>17468591
I have always thought this. Like if you were bad in this life then you end up a ant or something. And if you were good then you can be another human.
>>17468642
check out the buddhist belief system regarding incarnation
http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/tp/Six-Realms-of-Existence.htm
>>17468642
no thats a hippie christian common misconception.
your ego is stripped away leaving only your core self and accumulated experience. this process is depicted as being fairly brutal. you can think of it as true death since you wont remember who you were afterwards
you have to prove your not some scared animal by not running. the enlightened being will patiently wait for the inevitable to occur
>>17468130
You'll reincarnate. Eventually. When you soul is done beating itself up in the loneliness of the abyss.
>>17468130
Anon. Don't try to take your own life. Suicide is a great sin for anyone, compared to murder (well, you will be killing your own self).
This life on earth is nothing more than a blink of an eye in time compared to the eternity. The real life is in spirit form and we are all immortals from birth. You are here incarnated to learn, to purify your spirit more and more and you only can do that if you could be a good person and always helping others. And you need to act, and not only speak about this (like many major religions insists in manipulate people to only learn their scriptures but doesn't incentive good deeds from their followers).
Remember this: OUTSIDE CHARITY THERE IS NO SALVATION.
Materialism thinking only leads people to nothingness, to suicidal tendencies, to think that this life is all that matters and after that you cease to exist. ITS ALL LIES TO TRY TO CONTROL PEOPLE, TO ENSLAVE PEOPLE. People who thinks like that tends to become susceptible to crimes, to laziness, to boredom, or thoughts like: "doesn't matter anything but me" or "I want material possessions" and so on. And what you do in your entire life incarnated really counts when you finally go to the other side (as spirit). If you were a good being incarnated, you purify your soul more and more and evolve as an immortal being. If you commit crimes (and not help others when life gives you the opportunity to do so is a crime too, not only what your civil code and Constitution rules) you doesn't evolve at all and need to go again incarnated to try to learn again. You reincarnate as many times you need to purify yourself (i. e: your soul) so you could continue your infinite evolution without need to have a material body at all.
And still regardless to reincarnation, there are a lot of souls on the other side than incarnated here on Earth. 10 times or more souls, many of them waiting a chance to incarnate here.
Be careful with your thoughts too. Bad thoughts attract bad spirits to you.
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>>17469348
And bad spirits around will only difficult more and more your learning journey incarnated here on Earth. But have positive thoughts is just the inverse: you can attract good souls at your side who will help you in your learning journey.
So, don't waist your chance here. As I said before, there are 10, 20 times more spirits around the Earth than incarnated waiting for another change to learn. The majority are souls who did not take the opportunity to do the right thing, TO HELP OTHERS EVERY TIME LIFE OFFER AN OPPORTUNITY.
And opportunity presents itself all the time, in bigger events, but mainly in small events. How many times you see someone in trouble (a hungry homeless, an old person trying to cross the street, a stray pet, a children who does not want to go to school, a victim from abuse inside and/or outside your own family, and so on) and you ignore?
Here, incarnated, there are so many opportunities to polish your soul, every day and every time a day, and the majority of people doesn't ever care to try to do something to help others. But all of them will "be charged" for this after death.
The life that really matters is in spirit form, but many souls can only learn incarnated. It is difficult, but the reward is worth the price.
Being incarnated is something like a "supertraining", where your senses are compromised and you can only do good things if you really want to do it. Otherwise you fail.
Many people think that this incarnated life is all that matters but ITS TOTALLY WRONG. Its only when you are in your spirit form you could sense life, reality, like really is. Only in spirit form you could perceive this. A simple analogy would be like that:
You visit a mud lake and you need to travel across it in a diving suit. All your senses, communications and movements are compromised. And when you finish travel across this mud lake you can remove this diving suit, you can regain your real senses, your perception of life per se.
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>>17469437
Outside the mud lake is the SOUL, the SPIRIT, inside the mud lake with the diving suit is the SPIRIT INCARNATED.
>>17468130
nothingness is where the souls will go in the end.
>>17472080
We come from everything and go back into nothingness. this is the cycle.
see the end as a liberation.
even for materialistic thinking, this is correct.
Check solipsism theory dude! Quite interesting
>>17468392
We are though.
Also there never was a soul to begin with
Dont kill yourself though please
Personally, nothingness is the most logical answer to me. But there are so many things our logic can't comprehend yet, that I don't know how much we can rely on them.
Basically, why does existence exist? And I don't mean just life. Why is it there an universe? Why is it there time? Even if nothing of this had a purpose, why did everything come to be?
Why was absolute nothingness interrupted? Why couldn't it be eternal?
>>17468642
What if you were a bad ant?
>>17468379
Dead things outnumber live things by a lot though, which means that there's a room in which souls are waiting to get a lige
>>17472452
Then your a disabled child factory slave in China
Le epic im so deep and meaningful meme
>>17468130
>>b (dim)
>>> DFA
pls
>>17468288
This argument has never made sense to me. I don't see why the existence of reincarnation precludes the creation of new souls, not to mention the idea that maybe people reincarnate on other planets.
>>17468408
>No evidence to suggest anything other than nothingness.
Provided you ignore all the evidence, like NDEs, OBEs, memories of past lives, after-death communications, shared-death experiences, and terminal lucidity, then sure.
>>17468702
Forgive me if I don't consider it very "enlightened" to just submit to having your identity destroyed.
>>17472164
Time doesn't exist. It's just a concept invented by man to measure things.
>why did everything come to be
Reality is a phenomenon that has simply always existed.
If there was truly nothing at the start, then it would be impossible for 'something' to ever exist.
Maybe the universe is just a giant feedback loop.
>>17475703
As evidence goes, none of that holds much water. Literally all of it is hearsay, most of it, like OBE's or past lives, fail all testing that would demonstrate it was actually happening (OBEs can't cold read objects in other rooms or remote view in any way accurately, past lives are horribly inaccurate, historically.)
Sane adults need a little more, I'm sorry to say. John Edwards just isn't that convincing to most people, precisely because it's so badly done.
>>17468516
lmao yeah
>>17475699
There are infinite souls, eternally existing. but not all here. Other worlds, other universes in the material realm, and mainly other realms than the material.
According to the Brahma Samhita, roughly one quarter of living beings are under the illusion of this material realm. Three quarters are in transcendence - either in the complete egoless Brahmajyoti or existing in spiritual form in the infinite spiritual realms of Vaikuntha.
Do people really think being under the control of samsara is the norm?
>>17468130
This video might be of interest to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59OOCGzd6fE
>>17468130
Let me explain how it happens in one sentence.
So, you die and then
>>17468288
According to Hindu texts not everyone has past lives as humans. You could have been an animal and worked your way up karmically. Or you could be a new soul in a body. Not every soul is an old one.
>>17468130
You die, you stay that way.
>>17468555
well if what happens is the same as before im gonna be born again dumb face
bro dont talk about subjects you dont know shit about. take acid before saying that sort of nonsense
good luck OP. ask if god really wants this for you.
nothing exists
why would it?
unless I could think of a reason
I'm thinking reasons all the time.
I'm creating my reality all along
Im god perceiveing creation, the creation perceived and the experience of perception
there no one behind the curtain restraining reality but I. and I am you. different selfs, same I
subjective idealism; every belief system works after understanding that the universe is incompreensible
>>17478295
if you can't think of a reason why you exist then you aren't thinking anon. you are not creating what is in front of you but witnessing what god has thus designed.
>>17468130
The only answer out there is that you will leave your state of consciousness. Because that state is all you have known and never experience anything else makes the thought of abandoning it a thing your brain will never be able to imagine. The only thing left to do is to try out.
>>17468130
ever seen / read "What Dreams May Come"?
>>17478427
do you not know your subconscious?
>>17468130
Why do you want to die?
>>17478503
wild guess: OP's life sucks.
>>17475747
>OBEs can't cold read objects in other rooms or remote view in any way accurately
I know of three NDE cases where people did just that. One of them was a woman who, while out of her body, saw a shoe on the roof of the hospital. Someone went to check it out after she woke up, and sure enough, it was there.
Another case is that of Pam Reynolds. She was effectively brain-dead and her senses were totally incapacitated - her eyes were taped shut and her ears had headphones in them that pumped loud sounds into her ears. Despite this, she reported accurate information on her surgery, including an unexpected complication that arose during the surgery which she couldn't have guessed and couldn't have heard.
Finally, we have George Rodonaia. During his NDE, he communicated with a newborn baby (who he described as "Just coming from that place where I was going."). The baby wouldn't stop crying, and no one knew why. It turned out that it was crying because it had a broken bone, which it communicated to Rodonaia. When he woke up, he relayed this information to the baby's parents, and the doctors discovered that the baby did indeed have a broken bone.
I've also heard of a case of remote viewing being used successfully to locate a downed American spy plane during the Carter administration, but I don't remember all the details.
And if you want to talk about the AWARE study, consider this: Have you ever seen that video where people are throwing a ball around and at one point a guy in a gorilla suit walks in? A lot of people completely miss the gorilla. Now imagine you've just "died" and are floating around, watching your body from outside and all that. It's the most extraordinary experience you've ever had. Do you really think you'll give a shit about looking for some small marker? If people can miss something that's right in front of them under normal circumstances, I don't blame them for not paying attention to a playing card or something while out of body.
well if you kill yourself you are not moving up on the karmatic pole dude
best wrap your head around nothingness
Is there anyway you can reincarnate with a loved one? That you can choose what you become next?
Don't risk it, i mean who told you there is even an other side, what if people who think they had past lives have just some metal problems ? What if what people experience as NDE are just products of a brain waking up from being dead an illusion of some sort there is no way they could verifiy that their vision didn't create itself at the moment of being back, i mean you rememeber when you have long dreams and you just slept for 30min ? Beside this why the fuck would you want to die, maybe just around the corner a happy thing will happen to you. Don't miss it i mean think of it if there is no spiritual shit you'll delete yourself from the universe.
you'd go to hell
>>17479467
From what I've heard, apparently we always choose who we'll be in our next life. There's a whole pre-birth planning sequence before every incarnation.
>>17479736
>there is no way they could verifiy that their vision didn't create itself at the moment of being back
This is the same logic behind the statement "You can't prove there's no God." There's also no way to verify that the universe didn't pop into existence five minutes ago and every memory we have from before those five minutes is an illusion. Sometimes you just have to take things at face value to actually get anywhere.
>Don't miss it i mean think of it if there is no spiritual shit you'll delete yourself from the universe.
A lot of people who commit suicide are so depressed and in such despair that that's exactly what they want.
I don't know about an afterlife op, but for what it's worth I hope you stick around for as long as you have left.
>>17468130
Think of it as waking up on the other side, and remembering you agreed to come here. Think of it as you laughing your ass off after realizing you're actually the "citizen of the other side" ...
>>17479467
I've heard that we frequently do reincarnate with the same people, because they're part of our "soul group". However, our earthly relationships with them change all the time. Someone might be our spouse in one life and our sibling in another. I know that sounds fucked up, but the more I hear about how the spirit world supposedly works, the more it seems like Earth is kind of like an RPG for souls.
>>17468555
A scientific materialist on /x/, that's some funny shit.
I suppose you just drink tea all day and laugh at your inferiors.
>>17468130
>I have been having suicidal thoughts lately but the only thing keeping me from doing it is fear.
That's good then. If you kill yourself you become a ghost and have to wait until your lifetime would have been over. It's just like being alive except noone can see you and you can't interact with anything. Still hungry and tired but you have no body so you can't eat or sleep.
This is why in asia they have a ceremony for those who died by murder or suicide, supposedly that can make them reincarnate faster. But don't count on it. Someone would have to actually believe in it and do it right, for you specifically.
But this is asia, they may be a different universal system. In christianity it's said you got straight to hell if you kill yourself.
>>17484033
There seem to be more of them here than I would have expected. I mean, I could understand if someone was on the fence about paranormal stuff and came here to check it out, but I'm not sure why someone who's convinced that the paranormal is bullshit would come here except to preach about how right they are and how wrong you are.
>>17482951
I believe so too.
>>17468130
Probably some sort of judgment.
I think Hindus believe that if you're a dick you come back as some real low level organisim. But if you're "good" you come back as like an elephant, or dolphin, or woman's bicycle seat.
>>17468130
http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/An_Egg
Sums it up nicely
>>17468130
There is no allegorical abode of nothingness where existence has never come.
>>17478295
disregard first part of the post, everything else is on point
>>17484079
That's a good story, and an interesting idea of how things might be. I have to admit, though, that I feel like the big twist of that story cheapens life in a way and makes it seem very hollow. I feel like if I were the guy the narrator is speaking to, I would have protested and questioned more. I'm also kind of surprised to see it on the Creepypasta wiki, since I thought it was just horror stories that get posted there.
>>17484119
Im the guy who shared it
That being said, well, I've had my fair share of psychedelics and the sort, not the trance/psychedelic party bullshit, no, going out with close friends in nature and even the city a few times once you get a grip on everything, the telepathy is amazing, you can literally feel the other person, literally feel, and all the experiences through life I've gathered, be it psychedelic ones or others are very much worth to me, life taught me to be grateful for living, to celebrate to be alive and breathing as tool said, to be happy I can experience the shitstorm around us, the ups and downs, thrills and chills, the emotional rollercoaster we go through and interaction with all the people we meet, be it positive or negative... I simply appreciate the fact that I am, and with that, I have to disagree on your statement that life is cheapened and made hollow, may I be a drop in the sea of the All and therefore the All, or may I be not, it does not matter as long as I have the perspective that I am happy that I am, the level of significance and worth is a matter of perspective, in fact, everything is. Chasing the Truth and wanting to see to the fullest what is beyond "the Veil" is but a childish attempt of a mortal to understand what is incomprihendable by its mind, its like fighting windmills, instead, be happy you have been given the chance to live and make the best of it
With Love, Matko
>>17484155
I think you might have misunderstood me. What I felt cheapened life was the whole "You are literally everyone" thing. It would mean that none of your relationships are authentic and everything is basically just masturbation or something. It's hard for me to put into words.
