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http://krishna.com/
http://www.vedabase.com/
Kṛṣṇa—this sound is transcendental. Kṛṣṇa means the highest pleasure. All of us, every living being, seeks pleasure. But we do not know how to seek pleasure perfectly. With a materialistic concept of life, we are frustrated at every step in satisfying our pleasure because we have no information regarding the real level on which to have real pleasure. For the last few weeks we have been learning that we are not this body; we are consciousness. Not exactly consciousness, for consciousness is actually the symptom of our real identity: we are pure soul, now merged within this material body. Modern material science lays no stress on this; therefore the scientists are sometimes misled in their understanding of spirit soul. But spirit soul is a fact, which anyone can understand by the presence of consciousness. Any child can understand that consciousness is the symptom of the spirit soul.
Now the whole process we are trying to learn from the Bhagavad-gītā (The Song of God) is how to bring ourselves to this level of consciousness. And if we act from the level of consciousness, then we may not be pushed again into the level of this bodily conception; and, if we can continue on that level, if we can continue to act in pure consciousness, then, at the end of this body we shall be free from material contamination, our spiritual life will be revived, and the ultimate result will be that in our next life, after leaving this body, we shall have our full, eternal spiritual life. Spirit, as we have already discussed, is described as eternal.
http://prabhupadabooks.com/krop
What does Krishna say about homosexuals engaged in a married lifestyle? What about transgenders? What does he say about watching porn on the internet?
For an expert on pleasure, he doesn't seem to address the things that give modern people pleasure. Can you clarify it for me?
>>17450077
>What about transgenders?
I am not op. But transgenders do not exists. Woman can't grow a penis, and a man can't grow womb for child. Gender can not be changed. Stupid EU and US just did mistake between sexual orientation and gender.
For example I wish be by gender androgynos, but it is not possible.
>>17450089
I don't quite understand. I thought that sex was like on a ying-yang spectrum where it changes throughout the life, I don't ask if transpeople exist, I know they do for a fact, I ask what Krishna says, particularly those who love Krishna with all their hearts. .
>>17450077
From a KCON perspective, all living entities are actually female in their spiritually perfected forms (Krsna being Purusha and Jivas being Prakrti). Krsna is an enjoyer and bestower of transcendental pleasure which is beyond anything found in this world. In this regard, all material pleasures (such as sexual pleasure) should be minimized to truly relish the Supreme Personality of Godhead and his multifarious rasa.
>>17450133
>I thought that sex was like on a ying-yang spectrum where it changes throughout the life
Lol you realize these guys are actually followers of an orthodox religion, not some eclectic, "pick your own beliefs" new age cult right?
>>17450461
And how tf you become the expert on these religions ? Piece of shit
>>17450077
If you practice non duality. You are both male and female. There is nothing immoral or moral because everything is from God. The gita isn't a religious textbooks which tells.you how to live your lide but more like how to live your life through dharma.
whats with autists posting hinduism on a fucking paranomal anime image board?
>>17450490
Fuck yea let's post some Christian beliefs because white burger will rule the world amirite.
What does Krishna think about transgenderism? He probably thinks it's a modern abomination and a mental disorder like all traditional religions do, except some extreme forms of liberal Protestantism and other cults that are only after your money anyway.
>>17450488
>There is nothing immoral or moral because everything is from God.
Everything is coming from God, but there are activities which are conducive to Krsna consciousness, and activities which are not.
>The gita isn't a religious textbooks which tells.you how to live your lide but more like how to live your life through dharma.
The purpose of the Gita is stated clearly in 9.34
>Engage your mind always in thinking of Me (krsna) offer obeisances and worship Me. Being completely absorbed in Me, surely you will come to Me.
and 18.66
>Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.
>>17450480
Yeah it's not like they have scriptures that you can read to get an idea of what they believe in, for example that ying and yang is not a Vaishnava concept...
>>17450513
a true enlightened Krishna disciple does not identify himself with the world, so transgenderism is not allowed.
Also this is what it says about homosexuality:
Foolish and sinful men engage in all forms of sexual intercourse without a female womb, forcing themselves upon other men. They are born again without their organs as neuters.(Mahabharata 13.145.52)
Transgenderism and homosexuality are just more delusions that arised in the kali yug.
In short I am yet to find a authentic, traditional religion that is focused on base materialistic concerns such as the body and sexuality. Even when there is talk of hermaphroditism, like in, for example, alchemy, it is meant in a purely spiritual and symbolic, not gross materialistic, way.
>>17450540
And there you have it folks. It wasn't this one, but I heard there's this new place down the street that mixes yoga with Shamanism with Christianity, perhaps they accept transgenderism?
>>17450568
the New Age movements are nothing but demonic disinfos that are another byproduct of the kali yuga. The yogas that are taught today go against the real yoga that was taught by the sages in ancient india.
>>17450590
This is based on....what, your opinion? If new age is disinformation, please provide tangible proof of your assertion
>>17450540
While the point is ultimately correct, I feel this is a harsh sentiment to put it in.
>homosexuals, transgender, let's throw in otherkin while we're at it
Culturally - as in terms like marriage, legality, discrimination, etc. - Krishna Consciousness doesn't care one whit. It certainly isn't condoned in Vedic culture, but neither is sex more than once a month in wedlock strictly for the purpose of having a child. Hardly anyone can perfectly follow the laws of Manu.
Spiritually, these are simply outward aspects of the astral body not matching up with the physical. If we get really technical - so-called normal people are ALSO mixed up in the exact same way - we ALL think the soul has something to do with the body. In one sense they are lucky, they are already starting with the idea that they are not the body they currently inhabit. On the other hand, if a person makes that identity a central aspect of their being. If "I'm transgender" becomes more true than "I'm a spirit soul," then it is a hindrance to devotional service.
The point is don't worry about trying to get in the right position or right body to start serving Krishna. Just start.
Bg 4.36 — Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge you will be able to cross over the ocean of miseries.
Bg 4.37 — As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities.
>watching porn on the internet
Quite different. It would be rather hard to see a way in which this isn't acting as the central enjoyer. At the least you could try to think of Krishna when you do so; it wouldn't be seva, but it would help train the mind.
>>17450557
There are stories that deal with things translated as "third gender" or a woman who reincarnated as a man but remembered being a woman from a continuing vow, but I have read nothing explicitly laying it out.
The story varies quite a bit according to telling, but it hinges on the concept of Shikhandi fighting as a man, but Bhisma-deva regarding him as a woman and refusing to fight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikhandi
>>17451704
So me being engaged in a loving romance with myself as a woman, and my husband a man, is not as okay as masturbating whilst thinking of Krishna?
Yeah, I think I know why Shiva has more worshipers speaking this tongue.
Transgender isn't just about the body, it's more about the soul, and about the intangible things that are certainly not of this world. Honestly I can't be spiritual without the proper expression.
It's like you are asking Kali to stop being black.
>>17452077
I'm saying in any circumstance, your consciousness and reason for acting is more important than what actions you are specifically taking.
You being lovingly engaged in a culturally acceptable marriage is worse than masturbation IF that activity reinforces the idea of your material existence and binds you further to samsara.
>Transgender isn't just about the body, it's more about the soul
100% disagree. The only connection the soul has with this material existence is observation of it. Transgenderism and sexual orientation are entirely physical and mental manifestations.
>It's like you are asking Kali to stop being black.
You mean Durga-devi? :)
But no, I am asking Kali to realize her body is black, but she is not the body - she is a soul. The soul's only attributes in this realm are permanence, awareness, enjoyment and service to Krishna.
>>17451704
>In one sense they are lucky, they are already starting with the idea that they are not the body they currently inhabit
Very interesting, I never even considered that.
>At the least you could try to think of Krishna when you do so; it wouldn't be seva, but it would help train the mind.
Not sure how you could pull that off. Think of his transcendentally black penis?
>>17452463
There was an anecdote I remember where Prabhupada told a drunkard to think of Krishna as the pleasure he got from intoxication. Or consider how demons like Kamsa were always thinking of Krishna in a negative light, and received impersonal liberation for such meditations. I'm thinking along those lines. You can't wank your way back to Godhead, but you can keep Krishna in your thoughts and from this gradually move away from self-centered actions, or at the very least help remember Him for your next life.
>Think of his transcendentally black penis?
>Krishna has genitals certainly. It is said that He has eternal, blissful Body, full of knowledge. So when He has got a body, He must have all the parts of a body. But we should not consider that His parts of the body are the same as ours. In the Brahma Samhita it is said that His parts of the body, or limbs, each of them has got potency of the others. For example, with our eyes we can see only, but we cannot eat. But Krishna's eyes can not only see, but also eat and beget children also. In the Vedas it is said that He put His glance over Maya and impregnated her with all the living entities. Therefore, although He has got genitals, necessarily He does not require to use it for the same purpose as we do...That is His omnipotence. He is self sufficient. He has got all the limbs for all the purposes, but He can use all of them for any purpose. This is inconceivable by us. We should not therefore compare our bodily function with Krishna's. His conjugal relationship with the Gopis is not exactly in the same way as we have girlfriends, neither the Gopis made friendship with Krishna exactly in the same fashion as here in this material world a girl makes friendship with a boy. They are different spheres of activities...In the 2nd Canto it is recommended that one should begin to see Krishna from the Lotus Feet, not from the genital. Gradually, as he advances in understanding Krishna, he should go up and up. In this way, one should try to see the face of Krishna; and His dealing with the Gopis is compared with His sweet smile...as soon as we are able to understand Him as He is, immediately we become liberated persons, eligible for entering into the Kingdom of God...the Lord says "Simply by understanding My transcendental position, appearance, disappearance and activities, one becomes eligible to enter into My Abode, just after giving up the present material body."
-Letter to Madhusudana -- London 23 November, 1969
>>17452658
Canto comes from Latin cantus which means song, sang or principal voice. It is also as a sort of chapter division in long poems.
Anyway, what I wanted to ask is, is there a Latin translation of the Vedic texts, specially the Gita and the Bhagavata Purana?
>>17452713
What would be the point of translating them into latin?
>>17452713
Possibly. I don't know of any. You are looking to compare against other ancient texts?
>>17452750
Latin is a ancient language that is akin to Sanskrit that lends itself beautifully to song and hymn. No "purpose" as in utility value whatsoever. Also American/Anglo detected: "what's the practical use of this?".
>>17452751
Compare yes but not critically, as a philologist, but literarily.
What's the relationship between Krishna an Vishnu? Wikipedia says that Krishna is an avatar of Vishnu, but Krishna devotees say that, on the contrary, it is Vishnu that is a manifestation of Krishna!
>>17452811
Krsna is the original form of Godhead, whereas Vishnu is a direct, plenary expansion. This is according to our Gaudiya vedanta.
>>17452811
They are personalities of God. According to a Vaishnava's specific line of succession, one will be given prominence over another, but to an "outsider," they are interchangeable.
For a Vaishnava, Krishna's intimacy makes Him supreme. His madhuram, or sweetness, is not present in other personalities of God. Even Rama was constrained in His dealings by obeying the laws of man. Krishna can be sweeter specifically through His penchance for being mischevious.
For others, the Almighty Presence and Glory of Vishnu is Supreme, and is the source of all other personalities and attributes, and for yet others the Perfection tempered into Humanity that is Lord Rama is Supreme.
Then, when looking toward Abrahamic faiths, we see a parallel to the conception of Vishnu, except the aspects of Power, Justice, and Transcendence have become so primal that other aspects including even Form are abandoned, and all save Christianity removing the concept of an Avatar.
>>17452886
>For a Gaudiya* Vaishnava
My apologies.
>>17452824
>direct, plenary expansion
Pls explain the meaning of this.
Bhakta, do you have any knowledge of Kabbalah? I have been reading some of it, and while I am no expert, I found some interesting parallels with Gaudiya Vaishnavism. I would be interested in your take on it.
KRISHNA = BLACK = KEM
EGYPT = THE LAND OF KEM
VISHNU WAS ORIGINALLY NU THE KEMETIC GOD OF THE PRIMEVAL WATERS THAT'S WHY HIS COLOR IS BLUE!
WAKE UP!
>>17453231
>Despite all the various Creation myths that the Egyptians subscribed to, they had one thing in common, Nun. Even though the myths named different gods as the original creator, they all agreed that he sprang from Nun, the primordial waters.
>>17453236
http://www.egyptianmyths.net/nun.htm
>>17453231
There are some parallels, but I am not convinced they're the same being. I also thought Vedic culture was older than the Egyptian religion, though I am not sure.
>>17453083
The direct part is difficult. I would guess it means Vishnu expands from the Primal Source, rather than an expansion of an expansion like a Lila-Avatar or Yuga-Avatar (or some expansions of Vishnu, but generally when we speak of Vishnu, it is the prime, Maha-Vishnu). Kurma-Deva, or Ksirodakasayi-Vishnu might be examples of indirect, plenary expansions.
I had to look up plenary when I first came across it. Prabhupada had an eclectic lexicon. The word means unqualified, unconditional, or fully constituted. I feel he was trying to convey holding the paradoxical dual view of "Krishna first, Vishnu second" and "there is absolutely no difference between Krishna and Vishnu." This is also I feel where you get "Krishna is more intimate" and "no other form but Krishna holds the flute" and other ways to distinguish Krishna as our Supreme without saying "Krishna is better/greater/first."
>>17453154
No personal knowledge of Kabbalah, but there is a book called Om Shalom that is a dialogue between a Jewish convert to ISKCON and a rabbi.
amazon /Shalom-Judaism-Krishna-Consciousness-Conversations/dp/0961976330
>>17453245
Well that all depends who you ask. After all, "my" culture was first and started before time. ;p
