Hello and welcome to another Strange Fellows of the Clover thread!
We are a loose society of 4channers who have a focus on discussing only the most tangible and possible of magical systems and conspiracy theories.
We have discussed magic as money, memes as magic, and conspiracy theories involving trans-humanism and nano machine induced mind control.
Tonight I'd like to talk political philosophy and the occult.
Specifically, I'd like to start with the masonic origins of america and it's saturation of masonic symbols and traditions. In all honesty, a better question is to ask, who ISN'T a mason.
(pic is of the second largest investment company in the USA, named "fidelity", an important trait amongst freemasons and their symbol being the divine pyramid)
What is the political agenda of the occult? What is the political agenda of freemasonry?
How about a 4 leaf clover to start us off with good luck.
this threads topic is the occult and political parties/agendas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp4WyJ2krQ0
Do the freemasons serve satans cock in return for material power?
>>17406026
>muh special club
Get out
>>17406026
>their symbol being the divine pyramid
Well, no. I really don't get why people always think this. Pyramids aren't present anywhere in Masonry, even though they probably deserve to be.
>What is the political agenda of freemasonry?
None. Any jurisdiction or private lodge of Freemasonry found to be partaking of political agenda is classified Irregular, and will have their charter revoked, or their recognition withdrawn (excommunicated).
>>17406464
>Any jurisdiction or private lodge of Freemasonry found to be publicly partaking of political agenda is classified Irregular
ftfy, shill.
I don't know too much about the freemasons, I know their biker lodges don't really get fucked with on the highways and for some reason there is still a massive racial divide within their lodges, or at least it seems at much where I'm from.
I find it difficult to believe that modern freemasonry is something too spooky or menacing. In all reality the masons likely served such a crucial purpose to the foundation of America because they served largely as the forums from which founding and shaping America came to be.
It is a social club of similar minded individuals and when you look back at history as a narrative: Social clubs were a very important technology prior to rapid communications. The secrecy of the secret society comes to be from the fact that you can't talk freely to just anyone.
I don't think they are affiliated with Satan, though I do wonder if LaVey borrowed from masonic teachings when he created the CoS.
>>17406478
Well duh. How else would GL or other GLs find out about it to slam them?
>>17406026
Well if you are only interested in what is most tangible. I would recommend this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2lGPT2J1cc
This experiment has been repeated around the world with the same results. You could refer to it as the most proven method of magical summoning. This is not much of a stretch of the imagination. I'm trying to tell as many people as possible so you may have noticed it on /x/.
>>17406487
thank you for this rational response
>>17406487
What teachings do you think LaVey borrowed?
>What is the political agenda of the occult?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEa4Igjxu9k
Look into the Process Chruch
>>17406696
>solar cult
Now that you mention it the sun is pretty spooky.
Bump
I think the elite secret societies ride political waves and try to maximize profits in an effort to create a perfect control structure in the future.
>>17406026
As someone else pointed out, the pyramid has never been an official symbol of Freemasonry, though the unfinished pyramid has been adopted by Masons, largely as a symbol of personal self-improvement.
A Masonic lodge, and, by extension, Masonry in general, has no set political agenda. Political discussion is discouraged between brothers, and Masons as a rule are quite loyal to their nations.
If anything, it could be said that Masons desire a society that is more open and accepting of people of all different faiths and creeds, where people can put aside their differences and work to be better. That sort of religious inclusiveness is why the Vatican has never been too big a fan of the Freemasons.
Sorry if that isn't really spoopy enough.
As to the political agenda of the occult? I guess it depends on what sort of occult you're talking about.
But the Masons aren't a secret society. It's no more occult or closed off than your nearest church or Eagles/moose/whatever bored elderly man club that's near you. Lol.
Masons were just as active in the foundation of most Latin American countries and in a few early independent movements in North Africa and the Middle East (even though most Muslim countries outlaw freemasonry nowadays).
>>17410411
>though the unfinished pyramid has been adopted by Masons
Going to have to disagree there. As far as i can remember, the only Egypt stuff is a bit of Kemetic theology in a degree of the A&AR. At least in the SJ.
Let's discuss my ears they are spooky
>>17410598
>>17410605
>>17410579
freemasonry is almost entirely about the Egyptian mystery religions, they even put up an eygptian monolith in washington dc and in new yorks central park.
as well as the fact that albert pike has a statue in washington dc and the usa was founded by freemasons.
the masons DEFINITELY have a political agenda.
>>17413099
>freemasonry is almost entirely about the Egyptian mystery religions,
Source? Like i said, there's a tiny bit in one of the fly-over degrees, but it's hardly the only one.
>they even put up an eygptian monolith in washington dc and in new yorks central park.
Well no.
>as well as the fact that albert pike has a statue in washington dc
Always found that odd, but it's among other peeps.
>and the usa was founded by freemasons.
It was founded by rebels and traitors, some of whom called themselves Freemasons, but they were a minority.
>the masons DEFINITELY have a political agenda.
Source?
>>17413403
all but one of the signers of the deceleration of independence was a freemason
>>17406464
always hele, forever conceal, and never reveal any of the secret arts, parts, or points of the hidden mysteries of Freemasonry, ...
Does that oath look familiar to you, Hiram?
>>17413502
hiram abiff you mean? I'm only part way through morals and dogma and secret teachings of all ages.
I'm not an actual freemason either I'm just trying to find out as much about them as I can before I join them.
But my best sources say that they are all evil and serve satan.
>>17410411
>Masons as a rule are quite loyal to their nations.
So says the Widow's Son.
Quite an interesting play on words because "their nations" means ONLY the lodge.
The political agenda of Masonry, Illuminati, Rose and Cross, Templars, Knights of Malta, etc. etc. etc. is the same as it has been for centuries.
The abolition of all nation states, the abolition of all religions save their own, and shackling "the mob" (that's us) in a "benevolent dictatorship" world socialist totalitarian government.
This is incredibly well documented, much of it in their own writing.
Bill Cooper's "Mystery Babylon" series from his radio program (available on youtube and at HOTT website) is a good primer, there is a 1 hour bibliography show as well.
The book "Scarlet and the Beast" is also very good and well sourced. It's an expensive book but worth the 50$ and can be found in PDF format for download.
>>17413476
>all but one of the signers of the deceleration of independence was a freemason
Among the 56 signers of the Declaration, 9 are known to have been Freemasons, 1 is recorded as having visited a lodge, while as many as another 18 signers are suspected Freemasons based upon circumstantial non-Lodge evidence
>>17410417
>your nearest church
In which people don't take oaths that they will be disemboweled and tortured to death if they spill the beans on the "secrets".
>>17410579
Their whole religion is based upon the Egyptian/Babylonian mysteries. The cycle of Isis, Osiris, and Horus are prominent, the obelisk (the penis of Osiris), reflected on the water (Isis, the body of the Nile) are constantly recurring themes. The sun (Osiris), the moon (Isis), are also important in their symbology.
>>17413403
I can address your last point, freemasons do have a political agenda. I was involved in the occupy movement, I worked in the media side of things among other things. I was approached by them and offered sponsorship, introduced to their grandmaster and several other people who could "help me help the movement". Their lodge was probably the most important in the US (thats what he told me at least). I cant really prove this to you %100 but i have no reason to lie, just happened to see your comment on the first page and wanted to share my experience for those we may appreciate it.
>>17413517
>evil and serve satan
That is a very simplistic and exoteric explanation.
Take the time to listen to the Bill Cooper "Mystery Babylon" series, check his sources. He takes over 30 hours to discuss the topic from the dawn of time to present. The whole "satanic" is a gross oversimplification. And yes, that's the Hiram. A code word they use to signal each other.
>>17413538
Bro, satan is a pretty simple concept, either they serve satan or they don't.
>>17413476
You sure about that?
http://bessel.org/declmas.htm
>>17413502
Of course it does. It's a bit different to the one we use, but whatever.
Basically means i won't tell you what the couple of secrets are, or their meanings. But everything else is fair game.
>>17413517
Those probably aren't your best sources, if they're going to lie to you. You also picked two of the absolute worst books to start with.
>>17413527
>Their whole religion
Freemasonry has no religion, though.
>The cycle of Isis, Osiris, and Horus are prominent
Yea? Where? Because even in the degree which mentions Kemetic theology, that stuff doesn't come up.
>>17413530
>I cant really prove this to you
Fortunately it's not like people can just make stuff up on the internet.
Or at least that's what the Pope told me when we were playing billiards the other day.
>>17413549
Yeah man i know what your saying, I can prove some of my story if you want though, I have pics of me being at occupy, video of the masons while they where in are media tent, even a business card from a guy named Frank who said he worked in social services and could get state assistance for the protesters. I'm not bullshitting you just sharing so people can connect their own dots. brb gonna boot up the external aka the d
>>17413546
OK. They do not believe in "Satan". It's all symbolic. Their religion is that of secular humanism... but the description of fundamentalist Christian types this would be "Satanic" or "Serving Satan" but that is not what the practitioners of Mystery Babylon religion believe.
>>17413549
>i won't tell you what the couple of secrets are, or their meanings
So everything you say on this topic will be a lie or misdirection? GTFO of here.
Assuming you're just some tool in a blue lodge you really have no fucking idea what you're talking about or are lying. If you don't understand the symbolism and origin of your RELIGION you will never ever be inducted into the highest degrees. Best to sit this one out and keep "traveling".
Ill start posting pics of my time there to give my story a bit of legitness.
>>17413575
You might have to do that, old boy.
>>17413577
>So everything you say on this topic will be a lie or misdirection?
Well no. It just means I personally can't say, "this is the pass grip of the third degree, the pass word, and the salute."
But i can tell you that there are plenty of places where you can find those out.
>you will never ever be inducted into the highest degrees
Hah, always one degree more, isn't it? Then if i reveal I am of that degree, it's still one higher, and you were just mistaken earlier. Because there's no way I could have more, or more truthful information than you.
Im not lying, and I will say this since you can probably figure it out from my pics anyways, they where philly masons......if you ever find yourself in philly visit a bar called national mechanics.
Anther thing that they seemed interested in was the original message of occupy, they laughed and made fun of the protesters who brought up things like fracking, gay rights, and generally liberal bs.
>>17413604
I doubt anyone would dispute your location, or involvement with those OWS morons.
It's that you randomly met a Grand Master of a "most important lodge in the USA", who offered to sponsor you in particular for some reason in OWS, which i'm guessing was backing the wrong horse given how successful it was.
By the was their lodge, which was crazy nice, was right across the street from us, from city hall... btw this is my fav random flyer
>>17413619
They offered, I never said I accepted. I heard them out and then honestly was scared and stop contacting them. They had a fund raiser for occupy at their bar (one of the 2 masons who came into the camp said he co owned) national mechanics. I know this is the Internet and all, but im being %100 honest with you.
I've got plans i have to get ready for, Ill stick around for a few more minutes though, if you have any questions ask them now.
>>17413632
>but im being %100 honest with you.
Allegedly, and without proof.
>>17413619
btw it wasnt random, two masons came into the media tent late a night with beer and started chatting people up. eventually the came to me, we talked about the founding fathers, and freemasonry, my thoughts of freemasonry, what my role was at occupy, why i was there. They then invited to a fund raiser they where having and wanted me to represent occupy and to their lodge to meet their GM or whatever. not quite random
>>17413645
i did provide proof of my story, at least some aspects of it. I mean what do you want, recorded conversations, inside video of me in the lodge with the GM. I mean shit man. anyways its up to you, either you believe me or you don't. like i said Im just sharing for the benefit of lurkers of this particular type of thread.
>>17413651
Okay then. What was his name?
>>17413619
>backing the wrong horse given how successful it was.
OWS was wildly successful at keeping a bunch of malcontents busy fighting windmills and looking stupid instead of actually looking for the "man behind the curtain".
I'm out of here. Listen to Cooper's material, follow his research for yourself and then compare that to current political events and all the pieces come together.
>>17413651
dude this was like 5 years ago, the only name i remember is frank and only because i have his business card. I think the GM last name was bell though, i do remember that.
>>17413549
>You also picked two of the absolute worst books to start with.
what books to start with then?
>>17413577
>Their religion is that of secular humanism
>>17413596
>>17413604
please your story intrigues me.
>>17413661
Yea, the parts which prove nothing. No one questioned that you were there. It's the bit about being approached for things which are pretty out of character where the issues arise.
It's pretty obvious you're just making shit up for some reason.
>>17413668
Yea, i'll give you that. But then lol heartily at the Bill Cooper suggestion.
>>17413686
From zero, as a non-member? Probably Freemasonry for Dummies by Chris Hodepp, The Freemasons by Jasper Ridley (bit iffy in the history), York Mysteries Revealed by Revd. Neville Barker-Cryer, or the Book of the Lodge by Revd. George Oliver.
>>17413611
they don't think fracking is bad? haven't you seen the videos of tap water being lit on fire?
>>17413707
It's obvious is it lol, weird considering its the truth. so whats weirder, my story or that i crafted my story at a moments notice and incorporated real life events into it to make it more believable. Look up the philly lodge, look up philly city hall (which is where we where camped) I went to several camps actually and something i noticed around them was freemasonry lodges or symbolism. Hell look up national mechanics, look up the history of the building. if you really think i made all of this up just for this thread well....
as there seems to be some practicing freemasons in this thread, without giving too much away, what is freemasons opinion on the singularity and AI? Furthermore what is your opinion on transhumanism?
>>17413713
it simply had nothing to do with the original message of occupy, it almost as if the left latched on to this and ran it down, sorta like theyre two puppet masters fighting agaisnt each other. when one of the dudes brought up fracking he started laughing, saying FRACKING????FRacking??? in a condescending tone
>>17413728
>i crafted my story at a moments notice and incorporated real life events into it to make it more believable.
Indeed, you must be a real life Kaiser Soase to be so quick and genius!
>Look up the philly lodge, look up philly city hall
Again, that's not being questioned. I've been to the GLoPA, it's gorgeous. Up for debate is your sourceless claim of [a] Grand Master allegedly canvassing liberal idiots for some purpose.
>>17413730
Freemasonry in particular doesn't have a stance, except for being pro- whatever is good for society.
Personally, i'm keen, but with a bit of trepidation.
>>17413740
I was under the impression that google was a masonic company
>>17413740
Im not and wasnt a liberal idiot. I went mainly because i thought occupy was the start of the rebellion for lack of a greater word. I believed in the whole private gains public losses bs of the banks, i didnt give a shit about gay rights, weed, or any other nonsense that followed. This was probably why i was picked idk. i really have to go so this will be my last post but the building which is now national mechanics used to be the 2nd national bank of america which was designed by the dude who designed the orginal lodge before it was burned down and replaced with the current one. oh and the GM didnt canvass, 2 what i assume to be regular masons did. They introduced me to him but thats as far as we went.
>>17413743
Not especially. I'm sure some employees are members, but there's nothing remarkable about it. There's nothing on the CEOs or anything as regards membership, either. Nor is there anything of theirs which is particularly Masonic.
>>17413747
>t the building which is now national mechanics used to be the 2nd national bank of america which was designed by the dude who designed the orginal lodge before it was burned down and replaced with the current one.
Is that meant to be important at all? It's a nice looking building, but it seems to be just a restaurant now.
>2 what i assume to be regular masons did.
You know what they say about assumptions...
>They introduced me to him but thats as far as we went.
But you can't remember the name of the guy wearing a shittonne of gold regalia?
>>17413756
When i get back Ill look for that bussiness card and post a pic of it, btw the dude was just wearing normal clothes when i met him. national mechanics is important because it proves my story, and links it to freemasonry in the only way i can really prove. you sound like a mason, from my understanding based on what they told me theyre different roles for different lodges they implied philly was the most important but i imagine the symbolism is universal for masonry. Visit the bar, im sure youll pick up on it. now i really have to go. keep the tread tabbed, if its still up when i get back ill post more concert proof
>>17413774
>national mechanics is important because it proves my story,
Not even a little.
>and links it to freemasonry in the only way i can really prove.
Is this something which makes sense in your head, somehow?
>theyre different roles for different lodges
Not really. That sounds like a conspiratard thing to say.
>they implied philly was the most important but i imagine the symbolism is universal for masonry
Hah!
Every fucking thread you'll have one of these shills with "le old boys club" meme
>>17413812
it's not an old boys club meme.
first thing they do is point a sword at your chest while you are blind folded and tell you that if you tell secrets your life will be hell. then they point swords at you while you have the blind fold off and they say they will all protect you form enemies.
They also sacrifice goats on a pentagram alter.
don't get your panties in a bunch freemason anons, I saw it on youtube on an undercover video, I haven't actually been initiated.
>>17413823
>I saw it on youtube
Truly the Watergate of our time.
>>17413867
the what now?
>>17413907
>Unfamiliar with the Watergate scandal
Bloody hell...
>>17406464
Wait, what? I'm a Demolay, and in our temple we have a pyramid painted in the wall above our "president" (don't know the word for this in english). Besides that the candle arrangement in the temple resemble a triangle, and the desk too as well.
>>17413928
Triangles are a big part, but pyramids not so much.
Individual lodge stylings don't constitute key aspects of Masonry, though.
>>17406487 No, masons aren't affiliated with Satan in any way, at least not as a organization. You could believe in Satan as a deity, but you would refer to him as Great Architect of the Universe. Which is how you call the deity you believe in when you are a mason. Little reminder, atheists can not be masons.
>>17413923
that's the guy who did deep throat for Nixon on national television right?
>>17413973
Close enough.
>>17413945
my god is the sun. do you allow sun worshipers?
>>17413980
I believe the architect of the universes is the demi urge and that he is evil and not worthy of worship because of that. I also believe we live in a false simulated reality and tat nothing is real and everything is under demonic control.
so yes I am crazy.
>>17413980
Technically yes. But you'd probably have a hard time convincing a group of Protestant and Catholics to let you in.
>>17413980
Yeah. Of course it would be kinda stupid to mention that, but yeah, you only have to believe in a greater force.
>>17413945
Well, like I said, I'm only a demolay, not mason yet. But I thought it was because every lodge I visited in Brazil had the triangle/pyramid reference.
>>17413987
Probably not the kind of person they would like to join.
>>17413988
>>17413990
Don't you know that Christianity is a continuation of Egyptian religion and that they all worshiped the sun as god?
The sun is a symbol for chaos and liberty, unbridled power and infinity. It is the source of all matter and energy in the universe with the big bang being the primordial sun, and the grand architect of the universe is THE WORD which is a parasite upon the source.
Even secret teachings of all ages states that there are 3 suns, christ, lucifer, and god.
Lady liberty is a sun deity and modeled after helios and the colossal of rhodes.
sun is an important deity
>>17414004
Yea, no lodge is going to want to have that much craziness sitting among them.
The usefulness of Freemasonry ended when the Catholic Church was subverted and Jews got Israel.
Now it is merelly a gentlemen's club and charity organization.
>Implying world elites need a secret organization to conspire instead of just discussing things over dinner and durign golf
>>17414004
Also bank of americas headquarters has a couple murals depicting the apocalypse and one of those murals shows two beings in the sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFca32_7YUU
>>17414004
Ok, but to a bunch of seniors and middle age citizens, raised following the bible and no more than that, this could sound strange. And they are the guys who decide if you are a member or not.
>>17414011
And it serves to people who wants to study ancient simbolism and philosophy. You are 100% right anon.
>>17414022
but freemasons believe and practice all kinds of "far out" stuff, I think they would be receptive to it.
>>17414056
I'm speaking from what I know. Here in my country (Brasil) they wouldn't be so supportive.
>>17414056
Incorrect.
>>17413527
*citation needed*
