In the garden of Eden... I've heard different variations about this...did the serpent trick eve? Or did it tell her the truth? Did Adam and Eve do what "God" knew they would? Discuss lol
Suicide
>>17337891
Inb4 fags
>>17337874
He gave her the apple of knowledge and truth. God is an asshole and does not want you to know the truth so he got mad.
>>17337874
The serpent gave knowledge as prometheus gave fire. They are both symbolic of mankind's will to ascend. Prometheus and Lucifer are both humanity's self-archetypes.
>>17337874
complete fabrication story by cabal, using zacharia sitchin as a front man to write the information for it
>>17337874
they were nigs dawg. white ppl trick dem bros and sis 2 sum evil shit like in history.
>>17338013
Without understanding, even the greatest of humans would be bereft of virtue and incapable of understanding. They were nigs indeed.
If the true almighty God created A&E he would know the future and had created us without a mind, so we never could get trapped in illusions. But this God could be a genetics doctor who crossed his genes with ape genes.
Remember our environment is a hazard for outerworldy creatures because of the bacteria, viruses, Co2 levels, radiation levels etc.
So, imo the garden truely existed and human 1.0 was extinct or whipped out.
The tree of knowledge symbolizes our brain. The apple is our mind and the snake is the lie or illusion in general.
Our 'father' warned us never to use our mind, made thing up or to lie or we would lose the state of heaven and the connection to everything.
The snake is also a the kundalini energy which powers up our brain /mind.
I just find it funny with this whole fate vs destiny concept. As we all know, God created each being with a certain purpose; a path in which you are to take. Your destiny. However, you can change it by the different choices you make. So in theory, Lucifer was destined to fall. Lucifer was destined to provide Eve with the apple or knowledge and truth. So to answer you question, yes. I believe God knew Eve would take the bait. But like I said before, you change your path by making certain decisions... And he was hoping Eve rejected the fruit of knowledge. Rejected Temptation.
>>17338154
> As we all know
Don't speak for all! This is your opinion, interpretation and knowledge.
>>17337874
>did the serpent trick eve?
3 it is only about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, ‘You shall not eat it or even touch it, or else you will die.’” 4 But the snake said to the woman: “You certainly will not die!
Yes, he absolutely did.
>>17338154
> And he was hoping Eve rejected th..
If God had to hope, he would be very lousy with his creation. He gave immortality to his creation and free will and infinity is worst curse of all and the second curse is hope. The Paradise you describe could only be hell and he would be the devil. Never create something that only can suffer, we have more ethics today as the god you describe. Sorry
>>17337874
Goes like this:
>God makes a special garden
>puts two humans in it
>for some reason, puts a magic tree in it
>lies to the humans and says you'll die if you eat the fruit
>"fair enough, more than enough fruit everywhere else"
>God lets his most tricksy servant go down
>Satan as a snake talks to nai-Eve
>tells Eve that she won't die if she eats it, she will just have knowledge of good and evil
>Eve, not having knowledge of good and evil, doesn't know it would be bad to disobey God
>eats fruit
>"holy shit balls, this is amaze"
>Eve gets Adam to eat the fruit
>"oh fuck, is that what I think it is?"
>both are now aware they were just a perv game for God
>God, who apparently knows everything and is everywhere, let's this happen
>gets pissed when it happens, even though he set the whole thing up
>"WELL FUCK YOU TWO, I'M CURSING YOU WITH MORTALITY, SO YEAH YOU WILL DIE NOW BECAUSE I'M A COCK NUGGET!"
>Adam and Eve are boned
>start an incest-train and populate the Earth
>here's free will
> jk u have to do what i say or i damn you
God giving free will is a myth. His only accepted will is for you to serve him unconditionally. True free will would be void of any consequences for your will.
>>17338289
The point of free will is so that the choice matters, not so that we can just do whatever we want with no consequences.
>>17338289
This.
Christians may reply with whatever convoluted shit they can, but in the end, there is no room for free will in Christianity. There's not much choice: you either 'choose' God or eternal suffering. Not much of a choice...
>>17338298
Free will is a joke or a threat unless it can be explored without the threat of damnation by he who gifts it to us
>>17338232
Thanks for the clarification. Just thought that was common knowledge.
>>17338307
>I should be allowed to do whatever I want with no punishment for any evil action whatsoever
>>17338279
> nai-Eve
Nice!
>>17338298
You could be a peaceful motherfucker like ghandi, but according to christians you are still going to hell because you didnt will yourself to choose their christian god.
>You have free will, but if you dont live exactly how i want you to i am going to damn you to hell for eternity.
Seems legit
>>17338325
>You could be a peaceful motherfucker like ghandi, but according to christians you are still going to hell because you didnt will yourself to choose their christian god.
>Protestants represent the entirety of Christianity
They aren't even the majority.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus#Inculpable_ignorance
>>17338289
>True free will would be void of any consequences for your will
We don't have to fear and consequences, because the creator forgot to give us to see the future and made us blind to see the consequences of our actions and he forgot to gave us all the knowledge of good and bad, so we have to do bad to know what is good.
Let's be realistic, the knowledge is there, the Indian part of the story is good but the evangelists blended to much into the new testament, God and his actions are put evil!
I can't take Christianity seriously.
What was the point in creating? As a perfect, ideal, beingg, why would God feel the need to create us? Any answer such as "for company" is one that goes against all Christian dogma, because - being perfect - He would not benefit from anyone's company, and - being eternal - He would have had as much time before him as behind him, meaning that something had somehow prompted him to make humans at an arbitrary point, which is also anathema in Christian thought, for God cannot change his mind, since, being perfect, He is stillness, and does not 'come to' realizations or develop in terms of personality or thought, already being the nexus.
The very fact that one would feel compelled to create - and hence, express something like 'needs' or 'desires' - means God is not perfect, and not being perfect, not worthy of worship.
>>17338357
>As a perfect, ideal, being, why would God feel the need to create us?
So that he would have something to choose to follow him.
>>17338365
And why would God desire that? One of the attributes of him is omniscience: perfect knowledge of all things that could be.
In theory, His omniscience would ensure He already knows everything, every detail and minutae that accompanies every single 'thing' in all would-be existence(s). Knowing 'everything' that could be created so perfectly, what need would be there to actually go and make it 'real', since his omniscience would ensure the thoughts and knowledge (projections) in his mind of things-that-might-be would be just the same as 'reality', if he chose to create it.
Blanket ban on Christfag threads when.
>>17338357
God is perfect and he is searching for imperfection! God, not the evil one in the Bible, is literally everything, because he is consciousness. He created the universe and all things which are consciousness (God) in a different density. Our purpose is to observe his creation which is God with the mission to search for imperfection which can only be another consciousness and another God or goddess, God in his almighty perfection is just AL(L)ONE!
>>17338394
This.
I've had enough of Christfags. I remember 4chan was never exactly a place for religious fucks - most people were agnostic/atheist, in spite of the generally centre-right attitude. Now it's full of Christcucks.
>>17338389
>since his omniscience would ensure the thoughts and knowledge (projections) in his mind of things-that-might-be would be just the same as 'reality'
That's literally your opinion.
>>17338394
>>17338402
>Lol lets ban something relevant to the topic of the board
>>17338413
No, that's omniscience, which is a fundamental aspect of God for Christcucks.
Do you know what the word 'omniscience' means?
>>17338421
>2000 year old fairy tales originating from ancient desert peoples
>paranormal
No.
I suggest going to the Other chan and staying on their Christcuck containment board.
>>17338389
This is what I thought as well, maybe god isnt as infinite as we all like to think, maybe he created us because he knew we would one day reach the point in which we finally start to edit and evolve of own DNA, and if scientists are right the universe is collapsing back on itself, maybe one super form of human will one day be the next god and recreate the big bang again and restart the cycle? talking out of my ass, but everything is a theory until we die.
>>17338423
Having omniscience means being all-knowing. That doesn't mean that the knowledge is the exact same as reality. That aspect is not a part of the definition, and is your opinion.
>>17338430
>Belief system detailing the creation of the world, supernatural powers, demons and angels, etc
>Not paranormal
>>17338438
>everything is a theory until we die.
This is your theory do you really think we will be able to understand everything even in the afterlife, if we could, we had the garden of eden paradox. We die stupid and we will reborn stupid and this is science.
>>17338438
The only way I can reconcile a perfect being and our 'existence' is that what I said is true: that God indeed never created the universe - having no need or desire to -, and as we are right now, we are merely 'projections' (his thoughts, knowledge) of his omnipotence in his head, if he had created the universe. And there exist countless others 'projections', which are akin to human fantasies or day-dreams, except on a grander scale.
Other than that, I can't accept that a perfect deity created anything. Perhaps a deity did create the universe, but then it is not perfect one that did, simply because all motion (action) is the result of something (and God the perfect is unmoved): the perfect God is stillness and contemplation and self-contained - the Monad or the Alien God of Gnosticism and Marcionism.
>>17338468
Or maybe your definition of perfect is wrong.
>>17338444
>>17338398
>Not paranormal
The source of all paranormal is God aka consciousness!
>>17338480
Yes, only everything together can be perfect, this is the definition of perfect. Thing is imperfect, everything is perfect.
>>17338495
per·fect
adjective
ˈpərfikt/
1.
having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be.
"she strove to be the perfect wife"
synonyms: ideal, model, without fault, faultless, flawless, consummate, quintessential, exemplary, best, ultimate, copybook; More
2.
absolute; complete (used for emphasis).
"a perfect stranger"
synonyms: absolute, complete, total, real, out-and-out, thorough, thoroughgoing, downright, utter, sheer, arrant, unmitigated, unqualified, veritable, in every respect, unalloyed
"she felt like a perfect idiot"
Once again, your opinion. Before you try to say the second definition is what you're saying, reread it and realize that no, it isn't.
>>17338502
I don't accept definitions humans made.
And yes, imo. I apologise.
>>17338513
I don't even accept definitions I make.
>>17338480
>>17338513
>>17338517
You're being fucking ridiculous. Stupid Christcuck.
"knowledge", as in tree of knowledge, implies you are on your own to make mistakes. It was a name given to the tree after by who was telling the story. (it has nothing to do with an intrinsic characteristic of it or it's fruit).
When they ate the apple what's in question is not what the apple was, nor did it actually give them super powers - it's the fact that they doubted gods judgement, they didn't trust him, they thought god didnt knew better what was good for them. They had grown up. There's plenty of shit out there in nature you shouldn't eat even if it doesn't kill you.
Part of the lesson in any religion is that you're suppose to trust the divinity, not question its judgement or try to understand what he means or wants, who the fuck do you think you are: A monkey or dust, you will never understand god or his thoughts doesn't matter how much you meditate or argue or how many books and commentaries you spend your life writting - you don't have the hard drive to run that exe. It's like installing win 10 on a toaster... More, on a sock.
So god went like: "Know what fuck you then, you're a creation of that dumb demiurge anyway." So HE left the garden.
The "snake" didn't trick them cause the "snake" doesn't exist: It's a metaphor for men's distrust in god and will for independence, crawling from men's rotten core (like courage would be a lion or such) coming to the surface showing what a fuck up he is on the first trial he comes across.
>>17338535
>claims two or more people who are debating something with each other are the same person
>calls that "person" delusional
>>17338535
You will become one to, trust me!
But the Bible will burn!
I was an Catholic /Atheist/Psychopath and now I'm full awake!
You cannot stop the train no one can!
>>17338539
>getting that mad because a human being displayed the a common human trait: curiosity
If anything, you're digging your grave. What makes you think I - or anyone - wants to worship a god who gets mad that humans exhibiting the behaviour that makes them human?
Thankfully, Christianity isn't real.
The nephilim probably wouldn't have been creating if Eve did not listen to the serpent.
The allegory about this story is about falling out of perfection and becoming imperfect by disobeying God.
>>17338557
> curiosity
Curiosity makes the life living for.
Determination is to die for.
>>17338557
I'm not a believer. I was just exercising my capacity for symbolic thought, for fun.
>>17338615
Sadly, no one ever reports what the fruit of knowledge tasted like...
>>17338557
> Thankfully, Christianity isn't real
The universe is as real as Christianity. Or do you actually believe that the universe looks like this as you see it with your eyes?
Do you believe that radiation or ultraviolet exists?
How would you know? Or do you know anything?
Christianity exists like science.
And I don't have to believe anything.
>>17338630
Ask jack black
A current version of the garden eden. I wonder how long it takes to finally enlighten one?
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>>17337874
Eve was not born pure as Adam was
The snake never spoke; the account in Genesis includes details from Eve's eyewitness account integrated into the main narrative. She just did whatever she wanted and made up something about a snake to excuse herself from being responsible for whatever consequences it could have.
God didn't want to allow humans to have free will because God knew that being exposed to humans like that would render God inert, God would himself be corrupted, and he was. He allowed it to happen because humans needed to be free to find their own destiny, and God cared about that concept enough to allow humans to corrupt the perfection that God had existed as. God is the reflection of the universe, before disorder was introduced he was an entity of perfect order. Traces of whatever this event was is shown in the imbalance in cosmic background radiation, and is tied to the reason for the irregularity in the universe/the imbalance of matter/antimatter.
>Praise my name! Witness, bathed in the glory of my countenance! Praise my name!
>>17338630
It tasted like a teen's first puff of a joint. Like the philosopher Peter Steele said once, freedom is not doing whatever the hell we want all the time; is knowing that there are limits and rules, and doing the most we can inside them.
"It's alot easier to break rules, than to follow them." - And as with most easy things, we confer no value to them.
>>17338312
Because there's no more nuanced view than that, right shlomo?
>>17338684
>>17338700
>Truth or Dairy
What?
>>17338684
>Like the philosopher Peter Steele
Philosophers are the true jailer.
But this one got it!
Post some apple pictures!
Eve
or
What's the name of the first wife of Adam? The goddess?
And he's got much intelligenterer
>>17338756
Lylith
>>17338756
lilith
Star Trek
Indiana Jines
Smoke the knowledge
For kids
The classic!
Don't eat apple or you fall asleep!
Time to wake up?
It's getting paranormal!
Does movies have truth in it?
Where does the creativity come from?
>>17338256
Exactly
>>17338279
>lies to the humans and says you'll die if you eat the fruit
>"WELL FUCK YOU TWO, I'M CURSING YOU WITH MORTALITY
well which is it?
Snakes can't talk please seek help.
>>17338775
Is there a secret behind the apple?
Apple conspiracy?
OK, I stop but my conclusion :
The is something with apples, something real!
The Jews celebrates apples.
I found no pic of the Pope with an apple.
Eat apple =?
Don't worry this thread won't get it to the archive!
>>17338863
what could it be?
Please don't get upset!
Kids getting programmed to hate apples?
Isn't that a frustrating game?
I never played this game and I like apples.
You?
>>17338256
I know some folks interpret it as God speaking of a sort of spiritual transfiguration or devolution rather than the serpent's more gross and bodily death. Perhaps the legless serpent, destined to be lowest among animals, is more preoccupied with the physical, the material, and the corporeal. Identifying the serpent with Lucifer might make sense that way as well - as Lucifer refused to submit to purported divine wisdom out of his polarized thinking, thus causing his fall.
>>17338259
Modern theology typically puts a check on one of God's characteristic qualities: omniscience, omnipotence, omnibenevolence. Usually they elect to limit Its power (God's existence provides the continual basis for manifesting forms/being and becoming, but even God cannot contradict Its own nature and effect, for example, a violation of logical laws - e.g., create something distinct from itself), though some choose the first. Almost never do they limit Its omnibenevolence, understandably. In any case, there is no reason to jump straight to compromising Its goodness. In doing so it just raises complications about moral ontology that you should be well prepared to address (which you cannot if you maintain modern ethics surpasses a supposed divine law).
>>17338930
I did at a couple of my schools during their 'halloween party'
I still like apples.. Only certain ones though.
Ask yourself : Do you like apples? Is your life good and are you happy?
Recommendation : Eat an apple first in the morning for one week and check your happiness.
>>17338969
Nice
what are the traits needed for a being to be considered a god?
could god be the MOST powerful and MOST knowledgeable being in existence, but not ALL powerful and ALL knowing?
*20 minute long drum solo*
>>17337874
He tricked them.
He told them they would be like gods.
He told them they would get special knowledge.
He told them they would not die.
1. They were created in the image of God.
2. They had God right there, they could ask Him literally anything, so they had all the knowledge they needed.
3. They were already immortal, they could never die.
>>17339285
>2. They had God right there, they could ask Him literally anything, so they had all the knowledge they needed.
Does a small child have all the knowledge they need if its parents are moderately smart? What mankind gained was the faculty of reason.
>they were already immortal
Not necessarily
>>17337874
Yahweh is the god of the Jews, hence he's a wicked demon and Satan himself. Jesus called him the lord of this world. The serpent on the other hand is an ally of mankind and tried to help mankind get rid of Yahweh's dominion by giving man the fruit of the tree of knowledge aka as the "red pill", which teaches the truth about Yahweh and his "chosen people".
>>17339300
Biggest facepalm in the world.
>>17339311
He's right though. Jesus' death tore the veil of jewish trickery and brought mankind out of death into life.
>>17339316
It's the same God though, Jews don't even worship the God of the Old Testament anymore
>>17339316
Jesus is God.
YHWH (Jehova) is God.
Jesus Christ is the I AM that I AM.
The jews worshiped Jehova, which in turn means they worshiped Jesus because it is God.
The jews of today do NOT worship YHWH nor Jesus.
>If you do not have the son, you do not have the Father.
The serpent = lucifer.
There were originally 5 cherubs in heaven.
The 4 cherubs look like a man, an ox, a lion and an eagle. Serpent is missing.
Serpent = lucifer.
Thus my facepalm at his ignorance. It's shameful to even comment with that kind of ignorance.
>>17338968
How do you like them apples?
>>17339321
Or they are worshipping its true nature, while the christians worship the entity which was never a hebrew tribal war god
>>17339326
In genesis, the heavenly beings are always (or almost always) referred to in plural. The god of exodus onwards is singular
>>17339330
No they're not. If they did they would still be sacrificing animals and shit. Jews readily admit that the don't really believe in the Old Testemant.
Jesus was prophesized in the Old Testament. If they accepted God the Father they would have accepted Jesus the Son
>>17339334
Father, Word, Holy Ghost. All of them were present.
The Father was with the jews in the later books.
Jesus with the jews and gentiles.
Holy Spirit with the saved Christians.
>>17339327
I like my apples like I like my women.
Containing trace amounts of cyanide.
>>17339343
>If they accepted God the Father they would have accepted Jesus the Son
The jews I know are super insistent that jesus didn't fulfill the prophecies
>>17339352
And now they don't worship God the Father
Coincidence?
>>17337874
Why did god make the stupid tree in the first place?
>>17339352
Jesus fulfilled all prophecy.
The jews thought their messiah would come, being a ruler. When they saw Jesus coming on donkeys and being humble etc they didn't believe He was God, thus they did not accept Him as messiah, thus He did not rule the entire world.
Had the jews just accepted Jesus as messiah He would have ruled them all.
Jews are ignorant of God. Christians are the true israel according to the Bible.
>>17339359
They claim to, at least
>>17339363
To give us a choice
Free will
>>17339369
Yep.
>>17339363
You can't have free will without choice. Impossible.
>>17339367
True, but even then so loosely as to be pointless desu
>>17339326
>implying God the father and the God of the Old Testament are the same
For an evil tree bringeth forth not good fruit; neither does a good tree bring forth evil fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. Luke 6:43,44a
I am the Lord, and there is none else; I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil...
Isaiah 45:6,7
>>17339379
You are my greatest ally ITT
>>17337874
the ridiculousness of typing all of that and then putting God in quotes.... idiot
>>17339379
>For an evil tree bringeth forth not good fruit; neither does a good tree bring forth evil fruit.
>am the Lord, and there is none else; I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil.
So then is God a good or bad tree?
>>17339379
They are the same, you are just ignorant of scripture and you of all people do not know what is good and what is evil.
You don't even read the Bible in it's context. Evil there literally is saying "calamity". Not actual evil. Kek.
>>17339384
Ignorance at it's finest, ladies and gents.
>>17339399
(((Judeo-)))Christians BTFO
>>17339405
>>17339399
This is so cringe worthy, and I know a bunch of people will read this and scratch their heads and then ignore the Bible. All because of ignorance. If I had the energy I'd refute every single point here.
>You can already just google this and find it explained.
>>17339405
Not really
In what way?
>>17339405
>I am a jealous God
>love knows no jealousy
B-but if you don't agree with judeo-Christianity you, you're ignoreeeent! Says the judeo-Christian ;)
>>17339394
Congratulations on insulting an argument instead of engaging it. Top elementary school argument tactics right there
>>17339394
>Ignorance at it's finest, ladies and gents.
Exactly. Just another person who thinks they can beat God with human logic. It's ridiculous
>>17339412
>LEL SO CRINGY I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO PUT FORTH ARGUMENTS AGAINST IT
>IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE WITH ME YOU HAVE TO GO FIND MY POINTS YOURSELF GOYIM
all, mostly unanswerable. So I will take the double bologne sandwich with cheese, and a small diet coke.
>>17339437
>diet coke
Ew no
>>17339428
>>17339429
It's too rudamentary to actually give answers too in a thread that will deleted tomorrow. If I was going to answer it, I'd do so on my website and keep it on there for years and years.
But, this stuff you can google by yourself if you truly want the answers. It's literally a google search away for each contradiction.
>>17339441
come on guy, for my figure.
>>17339446
>>17337874
>In the garden of Eden...
>By I. Ron Butterfly
>>17339444
You're literally demanding skeptics to find their own defeat. Either do so explicitly "fine, for the purposes of this thread, i concede to you", or you will refute at least some of the points presented. You could copy/paste your own responses to a .txt so you don't have to do all that arduous typing again, even.
>>17338756
>Implying Eve had makeup or scissors
Take off all the make up and put back all the hair everywhere that she cut/shaved off.
>>17339456
I don't care what I seem to be "demanding." To find the truth is YOUR job, not mine. This has been discussed to death, I am not responsible for you people doing research. I was an atheist too, I still did my research for years, what you guys are talking about and saying is no excuse and it wont work when you are judged either.
>>17339454
So that's what that song meant
MIND=BLOWN
>>17339462
Changing the subject what is the symbol on the right in your pic? The one on the left if a papal regalia, fine. But is the one on the right supposed to be the original? And if so, where is it from?
>>17339453
Everyone knows about pedowood and jewgle chrome. Katy perry has been hypnotized and abused all to hell, lil wayne is a nigger being paid by jews, etc.I like your points on judaism. The pharmekia staff is hermes' staff, the double serpants are for when he's guiding souls to the afterlife. With a single snake, like on an ambulance or when moses smelted a snake, it represents healing.
>>17339462
You made it yours when you started pushing your rendition of the truth you believe in this thread.
>>17339462
Hey so what's the connection between bees and this conspiracy satan stuff. Pretty much everything else you post makes sense to me but I'm not clear on that one. Only answer if you want to answer of course
>>17339466
>dat 8-minute drum solo tho
>>17339469
www.be4thefire.com/vatican-exposed
>>17339471
Bee = hive mind
Pic related >>17339394
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. - Rev 17:13
>>17339478
"I'm gonna cum"
t. Jesus, Rev. 22:20
>>17339478
Okay that makes sense. Thanks
>>17339483
No problem.
That is why all these "illuminati" plans etc, anyone who tries to defect without God, are killed almost immediately. And most don't ever try because demons are with them all the time.
This is what the eye represents too, that is why you see it everywhere. Because "they see you".
>>17337874
Reptilians
>>17339488
They sure do see us. It's impossible to do anything with true freedom these days. The eye is watching us :/
Oh well, things will be better after
>>17339504
Amen.
>>17337965
>implying humans can handle the truth
>>17337874
>"God"
So you believe in the garden of eden but not in God
>>17339596
Many can't
Just look at the world we live in
Where in the bible does it say that the fruit was an apple?
>>17339640
Nowhere. It is generally known as an apple though. This is why you see "Apple" computers inc having their first computer set at 666.66 dollars or the tv anime Deathnote being surrounded with the apple symbology. Apple represents sin, it's not actually the fruit of the tree, at least I do not believe so, but the Bible does not tell us.
>>17338357
God isn't perfect.
Can be all knowing, all powerful, all benevolent.
CHOOSE TWO.
Obviously he isn't all knowing because of his need to create Jesus to know what being mortal is like, which was the whole purpose of being born as Jesus. He then sacrifices his son, which his himself, to absolve us of our sins. He didn't know being human and mortal was so bad, which is why he did that so that we may have salvation from ourselves.
Personally, I think God fucked off after Jesus rose from the grave and gave his final message. Knowing how messed up we are and how bad being mortal is, he just left us to our own devices with a way out, if we so choose it. No further need to meddle in our affairs.
So we can believe in God and what he has done for us or choose not to. It is our choice. Of course, you'll go to hell if you choose wrong, so there is not much choice at all. Another failing of a "Perfect" being, proving again he isn't perfect.
>>17337874
I think this is the cutest OP I ever gon don see are they still in here?
>>17338154
>As we all know
are you kidding nigga? the existence of fate is an extremely argued debate.
>>17337874
guile not trick.
they had buyers remorse, yet knew what they were getting.
>to a certain extent.
>>17338279
>there's a give and take throught the universe, its a literal universal law
>adam and eve knew this, just like they knew how to talk and how to walk.
>they take something that they aren't supposed to
>they don't expect to pay, but know that they must
>thats the reason they hid.
>making God seem like the bad guy when adam and eve stole from God.
you guys sure are trying.
>>17341028
>i create two androids
>i tell them they can use any battery source that they want
>but not my special battery source that is made to boost up and alters any androids ai operations to think abstractly.
>they end up taking it
>that's stealing
>they have to be punished
>im_the_badguy.gif
>but if i don't punish them, i cant receive justice.
>wut to do?
>i'll give them a few thousand years then i'll look at the case of the stolen goods again.
you guys sure don't know anything about theology.
>>17339621
I don't really know what I believe in these days.
>>17339789
Yes, don gon cute eh?
*tee hee
>>17338630
Like chicken.
>>17338965
>God
>omnibenevolence
Uh, no.
>>17341264
>>17341264
hey lol WHATS YOUR STAR SIGN?
>>17338357
Mormons have a good answer to this
>>17337874
the whole adam and eve narrative never happened. this is one of the biggest conspiracies. zecharia sitchins work is also completely fabricated by the caballuminati.
>>17337994
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO69_12U1tU
>>17337874
fuck eve fucking whore adam should have gone with Lilith
>>17339373
To follow rules, if your are immortal, is either impossible, but it's the only way to proof, that you actually have a free will.
>>17339412
> If I had the energy I'd refute every single point here.
And how do you know that you are not ignorant to? I can give you a simple answer, which would include all of the interpretation. You all are fighting about semantics. All the books ever written and all the stories ever told, every thought ever thought and every dream ever dreamt comes from the same origin with the same purpose to collect and process informations. I can say that everything is absolutely true, but only an infinite small piece of the puzzle.
The big problem is, that we are getting those informations personally and not professional, that's why you think you haven't enough energy to refute everything. Why not stop arguing and take all the informations you gathered so far in your life and 'calculate' the conclusion and wipe them all away with one single stroke? With all the time you wasted defending and interpreting the conclusion of human you forgot to do your work by coming to a conclusion and transform the conclusion into this time so that the current common sense can make use of it and all can go a step further. Most of the people are chewing on the conclusions of very advances humans from the past instead of helping others to come to the same conclusions and get new ones.
I came to the conclusion that everything is everything and as soon I got this after crunching the numbers collected from the past 43 years my computer aka mind shut down and I was connected with everything. That's all, that's my 42.
>>17341978
Actually I was 42 when I came to the conclusion that all is consciousness. But this would be a to big coincidence with the movie and would assume that movies or in general genuine creativity are somehow guidance from another dimension, silly me.
>>17337965
This is untrue. We are biologically incapable of comprehending truth
>>17338256
He actually lied to her twice. Both by saying see wouldn't die and by saying she would know good and bad. Humans lack the perception and level of intellect to know good from bad
>>17338259
This is untrue
>>17338279
This is untrue
>>17338301
There is always a choice, it's just that not all choices are good ones. Look around you at all the shit in the world today. This is the result of a world alienated from God
>>17342000
>>17338648
It took me 42 years to draw this shitty painting.
Your are in the bubble and I'm not.
Calculate your bubble, come to a conclusion and come out to play, it is just perfect!
>>17338325
This is untrue. God has made it so all people can approach him, it is not reliant on being of this religion or that religion
>>17338344
This is untrue
>>17342009
That's retarded.
I comprehend that it's true that pi is the ratio of a circle's circumferential to its diameter. Something that is absolute in all points in space and time, invariably and completely true.
>>17338357
Contemplating the why behind what God does is the same as a dog trying to figure out calculus. It's beyond us at an intellectual level.
>>17338389
He created us so we could get to know him
>>17338402
Now think about why that is. He is calling righteous ones to him
>>17338413
It is the truth
>>17338430
They will not because I do not will it. It is you that will need to go elsewhere to continue your circle jerk of stupidity
>>17342052
>Contemplating the why behind what God does is the same as a dog trying to figure out calculus. It's beyond us at an intellectual level.
>"My ideas are idiotic and irrational. But maybe if I blame that on god, people won't notice!"
You'll notice that the people who appeal to this nonsense will, at the drop of a hat, explain gods nature, motivations, beliefs, everything with the slightest provocation. So really, they only believe god's inexplicable when someone points out how stupid and impossible their claims about god are.
>>17338550
>the bible will burn
No, it really wont
>>17338557
Because he deserves to be worshipped. Because you lack the intellect to know why he deserves to be worshipped isn't his problem
>>17342092
It's worshiped, not worshipped. Your god only exists in your imagination and your religion is only about your own ego.
>>17338775
>>17338779
>>17338782
>>17338784
>>17338793
>>17338798
>>17338801
>>17338812
>>17338826
>>17338831
The bible said it was a fruit, it didn't specially say it was an apple.
>>17342109
>your God only exists in your imagination
This is untrue
>your religion is only about your own ego
Actually it's the opposite of that. It's about rejecting ego
>>17342077
This is untrue
>>17342046
Yet is the circle even there?
>>17342112
"In the Book of Enoch [17] chapt. 1, verse 69: "And the third was named Gadreeel: he it is that showed the children of men all the blows of death, and he led astray Eve, and showed [the weapons of death to the sons of men], the shield and the coat of mail, and the sword for battle, and all the weapons of death to the children of men. And from his hand they have proceeded against those who dwell on the earth from that day and for evermore." Therefore, the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was flesh and the methods to acquire it."
Ooohhhh-hoo-hooooooo!
>>17342112
>mfw
>>17342119
When you claim to be rejecting ego, you are lying. That's why you feel the need to every day go into the same room of people who have declared they're sick of listening to you and think you're an idiot and scream, over and over, "believe in my imaginary idea or you suffer forever!!!!" That's ego. And your idea, and your god, are silly fictions that exist only in your imagination.
>>17342129
It is not my will that compels me to do this
>>17342129
You seem to be operating on a lot of false assumptions
>>17342135
Ah and now we can add refusal to take personal responsibility for your actions to your list of failures. You literally just claimed that, "the Devil made you do it."
>>17342140
Well God, not the devil. But yes
>>17342149
God, devil, in your case it's all the same, an imaginary friend you invented to justify your failures and make you feel self important.
>>17341300
By your logic it was wrong for America to fight the nazis since it caused many people to die.
>>17342156
Disregard everything, I suck cocks. I love them too much not to. I plan to spend an eternity in hell, doing nothing but sucking cocks. Tell me what a faggot I am.
>>17342156
This is untrue. I was exactly like you a few months ago. I thought those that believed in God were superstitious fools.
That was until he chose to reveal himself to me. He has been quiet for many centuries for the purpose of showing humanity the results of a world alienated from him.
You will not be able to plead ignorance for much longer. He is eager to show his power on behalf of his people.
>>17342171
Homosexuality was a sin in the past, but only due to the fact that it made passing on a person's genes difficult. Even then it was blown out of proportion.
>>17342182
Don't waste your time, it's not worth trying to change the mind of a retarded faggot.
>>17342182
>I was exactly like you a few months ago.
No you weren't.
>>17342182
>I thought those that believed in God were superstitious fools.
I don't think this.
>>17342182
>That was until he chose to reveal himself to me
No "he" didn't. >>17342182
>You will not be able to plead ignorance for much longer.
This is you being egocentric.
>>17342182
>He is eager to show his power on behalf of his people.
This is imaginary friend bullshit.
I don't think people who believe in gods are inherently superstitious or fools. I think that you, personally, believe in a god you invented to feed your ego, and that your ideas are childish.
>>17342190
Are you legit retarded?
>>17342194
You would be mistaken in that assumption
>>17342201
Nope
>>17342208
>You would be mistaken in that assumption
Which one? This one?
>>17342194
>I don't think people who believe in gods are inherently superstitious or fools
Eh, possibly, possibly, but I've seen too much and studied spirituality too long to just casually dismiss spiritual ideas, even if I don't hold them myself.
>>17342194
Pls just stop. Nobody likes you, but God loves you anyway
>HURR DURR UR UH LIAR
>>17342194
Maybe you should explain what problem you have with religion in the first place. You want sympathy, right? You want people to understand you, right? Then you should be more sympathetic and not so abrasive. Your personaity grates on a lot of people and makes them assume all namefags are like you. Normally I don't care and don't namefag/tripfag. I just thought I would one time, for old time's sake. I also have freedom to choose what I do. I'm a off and on Christian - mostly because of my study of esoteric subjects and other things. I'm not a good example of a Christian, but damn it you're making me irritated with your shit. Let's start over, shall we?
Nice to meet you. Tell me why you have such a problem with religion. Is there a reason?
>>17342216
And what gives you the authority to declare that God does not exist? What you fail to realize is that everything humans do revolves around Him and laws he has set up. There is no escape from it, no debating if it is wrong or right, it is just the way it is.
>>17342226
>Maybe you should explain what problem you have with religion in the first place.
You need to explain the problem you have with reading comprehension. I don't have a problem with religion, and I stated that multiple times in just the last few minutes.
>>17342241
I didn't declare god doesn't exist. You know, I'm trying to be forgiving here as I blatantly misread someone's post last night and had to eat some crow over it so, you know, Senator Lintwhistle...HE'S BEEN THERE, but just because I made the same mistake doesn't still make it a mistake, (the person who corrected me called me a fucking retard over it.)
I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to call you a fucking retard. But I am going to encourage you to actually read what I'm saying and respond to that.
>>17342245
Despite your abrasive nature I can tell that God sees something of value in you, even if you do not see it yourself. He would like to bring it out in you
>>17342253
It's my yeti genetics. We're God's chosen subcontractors.
>>17342256
Lol your a funny guy, I like that
>>17342241
The English word for God is severely lacking in nuance or character, but most would agree on what it means. It is a way of talking about the Judeo-Christian divinity. The Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. The one who will raise everyone back to life and judge everyone according to his works. Basically it encapsulates a lot within the very simple word. For this reason, we often go to other words to better talk about who that being is. Muslims call him Allah rather than God, because it shows his uniqueness even when not speaking Arabic. Culturally this was true even in Arabic, where Allah was a proper noun. It was never used to mean polytheistic gods or spirits. Only for the Almighty, another word used to designate the same thing. Thanks to a myriad of similar cultures, we can gloss over many other examples. East Asian shen/kami/san/shin are all words for the Sinic gods. This is also used to designate a monotheistic god, as described previously. For all this, we still have a hard time describing "el-ohim" or "Rabba" as anything but "Avinu" or Father.
>>17342266
Yes He has many names. I use God simply for the fact it is the most readally understood term for Him. Personally I prefer "he who causes to become"
It's quite descriptive
>>17342266
>The Creator and Sustainer of the Universe
I can agree with you, but you should expand your understanding of the universe. The universe you perceive is only an infinite small fraction of everything. If you define that God created your universe true, but he is infinite greater. When he is also the creator of time. He maintains every possible possible variation of time simultaneously, which means we are all somehow frozen in time which would collide with free will. The only possible way how God could create time and space and gave us free will is, that god creates the universe trough us. Which means God creates for every living entity his own universes. And free will can only produced by separation, which means God has to hide himself from us and puts us in a bubble where we are separated and have the illusion of individuals.
>>17342351
Interestingly enough, in the Quran Allah is called the "Lord of the Worlds" which seems to imply he created many other planets. This is one of the things that should have caught on with popular culture, like how everyone thinks you have an angel and a devil. That latter belief is from Islam as well.
>>17342363
Interesting. I was raised Christian but I am interested in learning more about Islam
>>17342363
> This is one of the things that should have caught on with popular culture
Popular culture has caught on. The subculture is called science. ;-)
>>17342376
Science is catching up.
>>17338832
Both. He lies saying they'd die. They didn't. He then threw a tantrum and then went out of his way to make sure they died eventually.
Like if I said that you'd die if you read a book, but then I smash your head in with a hammer afterwards. The claim and the event don't match up.
>>17341028
>thinks God is the good guy
Keep those blinkers firmly on!
>>17342425
This is untrue
>>17342121
>>17342432
Well you certainly have me convinced...
>>17342432
It's really not. See, the thing here is, did God have an intent to deceive? He said they'd die if they ate the fruit, and Genesis clearly states what Eve thought that meant, that literally the fruit was lethal, like poison.
Now, some Christians try to make all these spurious and semantic arguments about what God "REALLY" meant, but here's the only thing that's important in determining whether God lied or not and that's, "did he know what Eve would think he meant?" Of course he knew, he's God. So he worded things in such a way that he knew Eve would misunderstand. that's intent to deceive. God lied. Case closed.
(Or, alternatively, God at that time wasn't anywhere close to infallible or all knowing, which is actually the better explanation.)
>>17342425
He never said eating the fruit would kill them. He said if you eat the fruit you will die.
They ate the fruit. They later died.
Ate fruit. Died.
Exactly as God said
>>17342149
You are supposed to have the free will to get the fuck out of a place where your God is not welcome.
>>17342498
Yeah but he has a choice in the matter
That's the beauty of free will
>>17342497
>if you drive that car, you will get eaten by a bear!
>23 years after driving the car, guy gets eaten by a bear... that was set loose on him by the other guy
Ha! Doesn't work like that, bud.
>>17342497
See, this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. This explanation would make sense only if God were actually a schmary little rules-lawyer teenager trying to play a trick on someone. This sort of semantic word twisting isn't worthy of an actual god.
This is a common problem with people who build God in their own image. Their resulting god retains all their human flaws, pettiness, etc.
Is there an earlier version of the Genesis than the Sumerian one?
>>17342512
There's actually no word twisting going on. He stated a simple fact. You guys are twisting words by trying to make it seem like they would die instantly. There is literally no reason to think that.
>>17342511
Why are you giving me more examples that are essentially the same thing? I got your point. Repeating it over and over doesn't change anything
>>17342534
Because you clearly don't get it. The fruit didn't kill them, God just had a tantrum and cursed them to die later. He lied and tried to pretend he didn't.
>>17342545
He never said the fruit would kill them as I said here >>17342497 already.
He said if they ate the fruit they would die. Which they did...
>>17342552
Which they didn't. They didn't die when they ate the fruit. They died after God cursed them with mortality.
Again, because you don't get it, picking your nose didn't kill you if you died from being shot decades later.
>>17342529
No, that phrase means instantly or near instantly, not that, "you'll die decades later." So what you're trying to argue now is that God is an incompetent who doesn't comprehend how people will interpret words.
>>17342560
And, again, he's trying to paint a picture of God as either this sneering little prick that says something he knows will be misinterpreted then blames everyone else for falling for it, or an alien bumbler who can't figure out how his words will be interpreted. Either version is a poor excuse for a God.
