Hey guys,
Years ago (and during several years before then) I used to automatically astral project most nights. Sometimes they were lucid dreams, but most of the time not.
I was very fond of this, as it allowed me to explore many places and things. I really miss it, besides, I felt I rested better.
Then at some point during an especially stressful period I had the most terrible "nightmare" in which I got up from my bed while asleep to do the usual exploring, but realized that a horrible monster was standing guard right before my bed. This shocked me so much it woke me up again, in an outright panic.
That's the day I lost my ability to project - with very rare exceptions. Most of the other times I projected again, some creature or another eventually came looking for me, typically not wanting me to leave my home.
Honestly it feels as if I had gotten "too far" and somebody decided to keep me in check so I couldn't explore ever again. It's like i'm in home-imprisonment *if* I project at all, which I almost never do anymore.
It's been some years. I thought I'd go back to normal. But it hasn't happened. I feel I've been robbed of rest and wonder.
Is there a solution?
Pic unrelated I hope.
Monitoring thread since I went through the exact same thing (losing the ability to lucid dream)
>>17065006
Read Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath for some inspiration.
What you need is a dream quest of your own, find out what is going on, and who/what is stopping you (and why).
Going through puberty made it much much more difficult for me to lucid dream.
As a man, we learn we are expected to be critical of the situations we find ourselves in while as children, we are allowed to simply experience them with as much joy as possible.
>>17065015
Will read.
Though...I wonder what to do about those "things". I typically try and fight them off; but if I do, this seems to mess my focus up enough that I can't stay "tuned" for very long.
Once I blew a purple gorilla-man's head off with a doom-style shotgun, that made me feel good, heh. Unfortunately, it still made me wake up.
lol wth is with /x/ being so into astral projecting. i've never astral projected!
>>17065015
>What you need is a dream quest of your own
that's just it, OP is saying they can't go on any more dream quests.
>>17065006
That depends entirely on whether or not I agree with the principles of the "moderators," doesn't it?
You astral shitposted too much.
Astral janitors are an uptight bunch.
>>17065027
Try some at home protection and banishing magics. Banish your house first, then protect all entrances. You can make your own stuff or buy it off the net; Hoodoo is especially useful as a DiY magical branch for most people.
Using a wash of salt, garlic and basil(you can add it to water as a tea) on hard floors, from the back of your house to the front door to push all the shit out. Make a chant or say a psalm related to purifying. If you have carpet, spritz it on, then go from back of house to front door vacuuming.
Incense, burn cloves and garlic skins in your room and demand all evil to leave in peace. It'll get rid of anything very bad. Get the smoke under the bed, in closets, hell behind the toilet, give them no where to hide. Just be careful with burning charcoal and make sure there's enough sand in the bowl you're using. It's more effective than sage.
After that, time to set up home defenses. Now you can do this with anything, I baked it on that EZ clay you can get at craft stores but fabric or paper works too, but count the number of doors to the outside and windows you have, and make a pentacle.
The pentacle is pick related. From experience just make sure the heiligs and planetary sigils are on it. Place them on or near these holes to the outside, like putting one under a door mat.
Lastly, I'd place a Bay Leaf on the corners of your bed on the ground. Maybe a sachet of dried rosemary under your pillow to prevent nightmares in the meantime. Good luck, anon.
>>17065006
You can only get banned if you try to take pictures.
Heh I describe it as a drunk guy turning up to a civilized dinner party and trying to make dirty with everyone.
I think there is a lower astral real where people go to have a spiritual intercourse but it can get pretty dirty/meet some dirty people there.
>>17065006
Are you eating healthy portions and healthy foods?
Are you drinking water?
Are you exercising?
Are you abusing harmful drugs like cigarettes and alcohol?
>tfw can't even astral project
>>17066242
Nobody who has problems with demons ever finds that witchcraft helps them. They always find that Christianity helps them though.
>>17067047
can confirm that my problem with demons has been curtailed by God's grace.
>>17065006
You must own these "beings" which restrict you. Make them like a child to you, a small helpless thing which you love without a thought. KNOWING that you are above them, that you transcend them, is all you need. Doubt is your weakness.
>>17065006
>was very fond of this, as it allowed me to explore many places and things. I really miss it, besides, I felt I rested better.
Hahaha, so much this, Op.
I'm glad there are people here who are on the same page.
>>17065006
You have been banned for the following reasons.
Child Pornography, spamming, shitposting out side of /pol/.
The IP address you used was XXXXXXXXXXXX
This ban is permanent you may not have appeal.
>>17067047
Who's speaking about demons? We're just talking about asshole spirits that may or may not be demons. Also, there's plenty of systems that are effective against demons. Christianity is the cultural default.
>>17066208
fug, they sure are (OP/fag here)
>>17066242
I might as well try it. What is the origin of this? Why does it have the german word for holy in it?
>>17067007
Yes, yes, no, alcohol. I'm going to sound like a turd, but there's no way I could quit alcohol. There just isn't anything worth being sober for on a saturday night.
>>17067047
They might not necessarily be demons. Although they could be. Worth a try. But I'm afraid of asking God for help because I have read much about him being good, much about him being evil, and I'm just afraid I'll fuck myself up by asking for his help.
>>17067078
Reminds me of one of my first projections. A child and vampiric version of my father attacked me. Oddly fitting.
>>17067194
Maybe I did do the equivalent of shitposting there and I don't even know. I do feel I might have trespassed, heh.
>>17067703
God does whatever he wants, he's not full of malice in anything he does though. Unlike demons who are always malevolent. It's funny, the same people that say God is evil say the demons they talk to are nice. Easily fooled
Somewhat off topic but the other night i had an intense feeling dream that felt very colorful and bright. I cant remember what happened but i was jolted awake.
When i woke up it felt like i hadn't even slept at all. I had to be asleep for at least a couple hours though. Does this sound like a lucid dream?
Iktfb OP
I used to spontaneously do it every night or during meditation
One time I woke up in this tree world, tried to go past it because I felt that once I got to a certain point my physical self would be lost to me
A wind barrier pushed me back and I woke up
I've also had some astral sex, idk
But then I started getting entities that would assume the form of anything from the mafia to a group of demons chasing me all the time
I'd transform into a bird and fly away and all that
But eventually the ability was sort of lost
I was violent with an entity at one point when I was astral but not lucid enough to know what I was doing
When I woke up I felt remorse but it didn't matter, it was already done
I astral'd last night, but the episode was very... paralytic.
I ended up panicking and my room was covered in these tiny red dots that looked like organisms
Pretty nightmarish, I forgot a lot of it but it proceeded from there
I couldn't tell when I was awake or asleep because I'd rapidly cycle between being actually asleep and being astral'd, and the astral felt like real reality. When I actually woke up the bad vibes were gone and I realized I was asleep the whole time.
Kinda wish I could just get my groove back, or that I knew what was going on.
>Honestly it feels as if I had gotten "too far" and somebody decided to keep me in check so I couldn't explore ever again
I get these vibes too
Like I'm watched now
>>17065006
Astral plane is full of demons.
>>17068043
Yep, that's almost the same thing (OP).
Sometimes the "guardian" is in my room already.
I need to develop some sort of superweapon so I can fend them off and go back to doing my thing.
Maybe we just did it too much and go their attention.
>>17067078
this
>>17065006
dont be afraid. use your will power. as long as you know they have no power they WILL have no power. use love to your advantage this will cripple them. know you are above them they feed off your fear. do not fear the unknown my friend, jump into it!
>>17067047
What a bold blanket statement.
>>17067723
I've never met any demons, or God, but what I've read about both is pretty damning. I wouldn't want to be at the whim of either.
>>17065006
>grows up
>stops having stupid fucking dreams that fucked with him his entire life
>sum1 banned him
>>17067703
Holy means to set apart from...It's from the 6th book of Moses if I remember right, which was written sometime in the mid 1800s. It's been a staple of Hoodoo since. As to why German, it may be a clue to who authored it, who can say. But, it is effectual in defense against spirits.
Recite this when cleansing your home:
http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Psalms_29
Or if another strikes your fancy, use it, but 29 should do it.
When you do it too much they try to stop you from going even deeper. There was a guy here on /x/ a couple of years ago and he went really deep like lucid dreaming every night for a longer period of time and some weird shig started happening to him around his house, he even found his dog dead or some shit like that. Now don't get me wrong I'm notsaying you should stop, just continue when you feel 100% sure in yourself and that you are ready to defeat anything that comes in your way. That's what I would do,good luck bro.
>>17069744
Stop believing every RP you read on here.
I have been lucid dreaming for over 20 years every single night and nothing bad happens.
Your dreams can't hurt you.
those inthe astral realms know how to do banishing and exorcism too. its entirely possible you got kicked out if you started shit with anyone.
its also possible the beings you mentioned guarding your room are one of two things:
either part of your mind is creating them or projecting them to keep you grounded due to issues present in your mind that need to be addressed which are preventing you from astral travel
or
you didnt create them and they came down to prevent contamination of the higher realms due to you bringing something with you that is harmful or dangerous to them ( its usually something entirely harmless on the material plane though. not always but often ) or the astral in general
for whatever it is thats going on there meditation, introspection, and purification rituals should help along with other things.
>>17065006
>getting banned from astral projection
>not using a proxy
Had it coming, senpai.
You need to read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth.
Because Thoth explains that the hounds will go after a soul who has traveled too far, It sounds like they have traced you back to your body.
Excerpt:
Aye, on the gray shores of TIME-SPACE'S end
found I the HOUNDS of the Barrier,
ravening for the Soul
who attempts the beyond.
Fled I through circles back to my body.
Fled, and fast after me they followed.
Aye, after me the devourers followed,
seeking through angles to devour my Soul.
Aye, know ye man,
that the Soul who dares the Barrier
may be held in bondage
by the HOUNDS from beyond time,
held till this cycle is completed
and left behind
when the consciousness leaves.
>>17070094
Yes read the tablets that don't exist.
>>17067047
>Implying Christianity isn't witchcraft.
>>17065006
I've had a similar experience. But instead of having a guard I've been tied to my bed. A couple of nights ago I had an lucid dream that ended up with me sort of having a obe. I was able to lift my to lift up my upper body but my legs were tIed. The more I tried to force it the harder it became. I loosen up and I easily broke one of the pieces of rope holding me down.
>>17066242
Good advice. I'm curious, why is it more effective than sage?
>>17067047
ummmm.... i understandyou not hearing about it a lot but it actually does if the person knows enough about how to. apotropaics, banishing rituals, holy water, and exorcism have existed and worked wonders for thousands of years before christianity and since. demons arent scared of any one particular religion so far as defending yourself from them.
that said i dont think its demons in this case.
I've never been able to do this stuff cause I get scared. I don't actually believe in it being real, rather just consciously entering a dream, but regardless it should still be fine.
I just get so afraid that I'm going to see or hear some scary shit when I get to sleep paralysis. Sometimes I think about trying and as I lay there I start getting worried that I'll hear screaming and stuff and then decide that I'll just stop since now my brain is thinking about that negative stuff.
:(
>>17070547
Sage has its uses, especially dealing with Native American spirits, but it's not as strong as say, asafoetida in the banishing department. You can most definitely include it in a banishing or blessing incense, or include smudging as part of your overall plan, but it's kinda like going for Windex or dish soap when you need 409 or bleach.
The most effective banishing herb would also have to be the aforementioned asafoetida, Devil's Dung...You can find it at Indian food stores, as it's used in cooking. But, only use it as a last resort, because it smells like burning rotten onions.
>>17067078
This is a modern problem in these things, born out of the sixties: the idea that just thinking that you're the boss and that doubting yourself is what is causing you to be weak, and that merely thinking that you are superior is enough.
That is utter bullshit. That is SJW-PC hogwash in occult vestment. Is thinking that you're superior in and of itself enough to win you a math contest? Does it make you a better dentist? Does knowing deep down inside you that you're better than they are get you that contract you've been looking for?
Of course it doesn't. Not on its own. And thinking that magic(k) works that way is ludicrously naive. Real work requires skill and practice.
Real skill and practice is what justifies that belief in yourself.
>>17074574
nice shilling
>>17074170
thats why 90% human cant astral project because of fear of the unknown. but the more you practice it, the more youll get used to it as your body adapts
your fear of this monster has subcontinent blocked your ability of projection
>>17065030
Its beacuse a demon king is blocking you unless you kill yourself along with rping faggots like op
Why do people believe in astral projecting? It could so, so easily be proven real by just going to look at literally anything outside your home. But no one ever does anything to confirm it, even those who supposedly project often.
>>17065006
Astral projection is fucking legit man.
>>17065006
Yes! I have been banned from many areas and functions of the astral realms for let's say "misconduct".
>>17065006
We can do anything we allow ourselves to do.
You hold the keys. You are limiting yourself. This is your choice. You feel guilt for something. Address those feelings and the reason you feel guilty. Observe yourself objectively. Realize why you have anxiety and fear. Forgive yourself. Remember the truth.
Also, eat healthy and get physical exercise. The body must be healthy.
Also, also, I probably don't astral rape. That might solve things.
>>17076700
Found the astral rapist.
>>17076028
Nigger, that's what I feel and think.
Perhaps I'm right, perhaps I'm wrong and I'm just a blabbering fool. But I'd rather have you think I'm a mad fool than a RPer.
>>17077142
That I was healthier when I started might have something to do with not being able to do it anymore, though.
...people astral raping would not surprise me. I'm the rapee type, though.
I have some holiday vacation time coming soon, I'll use that to try and implement several things from the thread, and also to calm the fuck down, which might just happen to help.
>>17077145
Kek
>>17069832
>Your dreams can't hurt you
They can give you a big fright though. Plenty of people have described the same thing as OP.
>>17065006
no you didn't. come on. you had some weird dreams. you want to be special. you convinced yourself this is a real thing.
come on...look inside yourself.
>>17067047
Fuck off
>>17065006
Banned from astral projection?
What did you do, shitpost the nether realm?
>>17065006
You got the sleep paralysis.
>>17077905
Even if it were psychological, and even if I am not special, I still very much regret having lost the "ability", because I sincerely had a good time and slept a lot better.
>>17077941
Hope not. I typically just woke up, picked a direction, and just advanced to see what I would find and how far I'd get. I always felt there was something waiting out there, like a sort of promised land.
>>17077983
No, I wasn't paralyzed upon waking up. I've had sleep paralysis so I know the difference.
>>17077905
Look inside yourself. Forcing others into your perspective will never work.
>>17078107
>>17078126
my proof for that statement.
>>17078093
>>17078126
welcome to my perspective.
its not really forcing, as much as it is up to your ability to reconcile the information.
>>17066205
tomoko i actually found my thing finally. are you ready to admit its me.
anime now,
anime forever!
You can be banned and you can be punished. Entities out there don't take kindly to tourists. Now there's a serpent like creature that guards my entrance to the Astral world. I only know this by what past girlfriends have told me about my sleep talking when my night terrors started. Once I jumped out of bed screaming about how it's going to kill us.
>directorpariston
Fucking attention whore namefag
>>17079441
weird, there was a spirit snake around my room too. not sure if it's still there.
A question for people more experienced at inducing waking sleep paralysis:
I've been working on entering this state for the last month or two. I've gotten fare enough to feel the numbing "lead blanket" sensation spreading up my legs and into my lower torso, but I always fall asleep mentally before anything can happen. Should I keep my eyes open? I don't wan to see any nightmare beings or shit like that if I can avoid it, but it isn't too big of a deal if that's what it takes.
>>17074574
I honestly have no way to respond to this other than by saying read a book.
Have a lovely day.
>>17065006
That monster is a liar. Obviously it succeeded with its lie. Thats what happens often enough.
The monster is infact a part of you.
>>17081204
update, went to sleep and a white snake was at the door. why does it dislike me
>>17082272
try to focus on something. idk, I have no problem on that part because I have trouble sleeping.
>>17083716
dnakr doesn't dislike you
has some questions, has some tests
OP, I'm not an expert on this shit by any means, but I'm not sure this thing, whether a mental projection or some astral being (if such a thing does in fact exist) is meant to stop you permanently.
Perhaps it's meant to hold you back until you're ready to move on, to teach you some crucial skill or knowledge. Maybe fucking around in the Astral Realm (again, if it exists), has gathered the ire of something, and it's protecting you until you're strong enough. Maybe you're "on probation" for your fuckery, and must pass some trial or show you can keep your cool.
Or maybe it is just a dick, and you have to kill it.
