Is the Virgin Mary real? What do you make of the various Marian apparitions around the world, like Fatima, Zeitun, Medjugorje, Akita, Naju, etc.?
>>16105389
>Inb4 misunderstanding protestants claiming Catholics "worship Mary".
>Inb4 crazy protestants claiming the apparitions of The Holy Mother are Satan in disguise or demonic and malevolent in any way.
Yes the Blessed mother exists. She shows herself to give a message of love and hope and sometimes warnings to humanity. She is a motherly figure and cares for all of humanity. She is pretty Watchful and a loving mother of us all. She sits beside God and Christ at the thrones of Heaven and has ascended corporally. (Body, spirit [soul] and all) because of her holiness. Since she sits beside God in heaven we pray through her intercession to God. Think of it like a spiritual signal booster (a holy repeater.) Being the purest vessel fit to give birth to God in Human form we have a great respect and reverence to her. Being the mother of the Savior of Humanity deserves respect. I hope I cleared this up for non-Catholics.
>>16105389
People see what they want to see.
>>16105506
Thank you. As a Catholic, living in the bible belt, this is horrendous, happens all the time. Visited a Southern Baptist Church for service... never felt more berated, and how ignorant and close-minded the Preacher was. Discussed a few tenants and mysteries with him... Faith > Acts... was appalled to say the least.
>>16105506
>in during papist vipers using elaborate wordplay to disguise their goddess-worship
No-one can intercede for you except Christ the Lord.
>>16105529
The important thing is to still realize they are our brothers and sisters in Christ. They are human like us. We are all fallible.
>>16105541
> "we don't worship her"
> elaborate wordplay
Choose one and only one.
>>16105389
The sun and the moon are the same person
Worship Mary or Worship Christ, it makes no difference, because it's still the same God
>>16105556
>we don't worship her, we've just granted her an equal position in Heaven beside Christ and ask her to deliver us from sin
Also, shitposting on /x/ is still shitposting on /x/ even if you call it 'provoking religious discussion on a spirituality forum'.
>>16105590
>equal
That would imply we consider Mary divine, which we don't.
> shitposting
You're the one shitposting here.
>>16105389
Marian apparitions are demonic in nature, intended to deceive people into worshiping the antichrist, when he arrives. The Marian apparition will tell people that the antichrist is "her son".
And if you are here on earth when it happens, you will believe it.
>>16105590
Why are you so opposed to the heavenly mother? It really comes down to a matter of respect. Do you have any for Mary and the feminine divine that she represents?
Adam needed Eve to find his place in the World. Which God created us and we can see the divine in ourselves, we were created in his likeness and as an artists creates his piece, a lot of himself is painted into it.
God wanted Mary to give birth to Jesus Christ, he didn't just create him on the face of the Earth like he did Adam and Eve. I'm not saying you should worship her as much as God and Jesus, but at least recognize her role in it all.
Also, Jesus and God are the lord of the house, but Mary (The Holy Ghost) is the loving mother, and creates her side to the Holy Trinity. Also, just take Christian marriage it's called a holy matrimony and a covenant between God, man and woman. Anything outside of that is an affront to God.
See people seem to think that our physically interpretation of woman, and our perception of them defines the Heavenly Mother it does not except for some seldom aspects. Just like even though we're mirrored partially in God, we cannot fully represent him being all powerful and infinite that he is.
>>16105506
You may have inb4'd me, but the point remains that Marian apparitions are demonic, and catholics worship the Queen of Heaven, Semiramis. Er, Mary.
The Kibeho Apparitions:
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>in 1981, a number of schoolgirls in Kibeho, Rwanda, began reporting that they were having visions involving the Virgin Mary, in which they were shown apocalyptic visions
>the woman presented herself as "Mother of the Word" and "the Mother of God" (theotokos)
>the girls reported being shown images of violence, dismembered bodies, destruction, and famine
>one of the visionaries claimed to have received a vision of the Christ, after which he converted to Christianity (having been a pagan)
>the visionaries claimed they were told to pray to prevent the outbreak of a "terrible conflict" in Rwanda
>there were claims that a 'star' appeared in the middle of the school's cafeteria and in the dormitories, as well as other lights of varying shapes (crosses), which the seers claimed had been given by the Virgin Mary so people could believe
>when the Rwandan genocide broke out in 1994, Kibeho became the site of two large massacres, in which most of the visionaries were killed
>many of the faithful believe the apparitions were prophecies foretelling the outbreak of the Rwandan Genocide
>>16105529
You keep working your way into heaven, slugger. You do good works and impress the Creator of the Universe by how much like Him you are.
>>16105637
>we don't consider her divine, she just sits bodily at the right hand of God and can influence his judgement over us
You can consider Mary a turtle and it wouldn't make your belief more of a blasphemy.
>>16105506
Praying to Mary is clearly an example of Catholic Syncretism. It has its roots in the worship of pagan idols, and is unchristian. Get bent, Catholicfag.
>Protestants can't claim one single miracle or supernatural phenomena
>still believe they are correct
This is what is so laughable. At least the Orthodox and the Catholic Church(es) can claim to have had supernatural occurrences. Exorcisms, Marian apparitions, miracles... Hell, if you're interested enough, look up the article on Wikipedia about the Suppression of Miracles by the Bolsheviks during the Red Terror, where the Bolsheviks witnessed several supernatural occurrences while trying to demolish religious sites, only to fall back on "MUH SWAMP GAS"
St. Bartholomew's Day best day of my life
>>16105677
You're really taking his words out of context. But whatever, consider women inferior or vile and evil and not fit for God. Even though God created them.
>>16105683
It's not unchristian. We pray for her intercession. We teach this to five year olds, the difference between worship and praying.
The Zeitun Marian Apparition, 1968:
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>in 1968, a muslim bus-driver across the street from the church of Saint Mary in Zeitun reported seeing a woman on the roof of the building
>thinking she intended to commit suicide, he and a number of other men alerted the police
>a crowd had already gathered when police arrived: the explanation was given as a reflection from street lamps, but people reported seeing the clear apparition of the Virgin Mary
>the apparition disappeared a few minutes later
>the apparitions began to appear frequently, sometimes two to three times a week
>huge crowds gathered at the place
>healings and miracles were reported
>the apparitions were witnessed by Egyptian president Nasser, as well as muslim imams and Protestant evangelicals; a detailed report on the 'Lady of Zeitun' was made by a Jesuit doctor (an engineer-architect) and nuns, who forwarded the the documents to the Holy See
>police - under pressure from the muslim authorities - launched a search for an image projector, though none were found within fifteen miles of the church
>photographic manipulation was ruled out
>unable to provide an explanation, the Egyptian government accepted the apparitions as true
>the last apparition of the Lady occurred in 1971
Here is the picture of the apparition at Zeitun. A number of reports also indicate spots of light in the sky above the figure forming the shape of a cross. I used to have a picture that was higher resolution and of better quality, where you could even make you that the figure of the Virgin had a face.
>>16105685
>Catholics require more than faith
>still believe their faith is pure
>>16105685
>Thinks because miracles takes place in his Church that, that must mean everything they believe in is true.
>Doesn't say anything about the heavenly mother crying tears of blood.
Ok, sure Mary has no role I guess. Crisis averted.
>>16105698
She can't intercede on your behalf. Only the Blood of Jesus Christ can wash away sin and bring about miracles.
Jesus is the only true Saint. All else is simply not worship of Him, His Father and their shared glory.
>>16105699
>>16105669
Thanks for contributing to this thread instead of shitposting.
>>16105700
God has deigned to send signs to the true believers: if anything, he has ignored you Protestant heretics and schismatics.
The Catholic Church is the One and Only Apostolic Church, as established by the Christ Himself; it is the Regency of Heaven on Earth. That is why the Creator has seen fit to send down miracles and signs occasionally, because he knows we are frail and weak, and we wilt away in sadness and misery for lack of evidence.
But for you, nothing. How many times I hear on the news about some idiot Protestant evangelical that died because he thought he could control snakes (and ended up getting bitten), or some idiot preacher that told his parishioners not to go to the doctors, and some kid died...
Laughable.
Protestantism shouldn't even be considered Christianity.
>>16105700
we don't require them it's just a fringe benefit of being the one true religion
>>16105716
You also seem to think we in particular venerate solely the Heavenly Mother. We do not, we venerate all three, God and Jesus foremost. But, she does have her role in it all. So I would think it would be insulting to not even acknowledge her, I'd think it would be heartbreaking.
>>16105690
>consider women inferior or vile and evil and not fit for God
All humans are inferior, vile and not fit for God while they live without repentance. Catholics worship a false goddess, so that means them.
And despite what they like to believe, Mary is not all women. The idea that God needs a female complement to be whole is pagan.
>>16105389
It's the Faery Queen in a modern guise, duping the gullible.
>>16105733
DICKS EVERYWHERE!
>>16105733
If you are going to attack the first form and thus the purest form of Christianity at least read up on its Dogma, Theology, Teachings, and Traditions. It would be to your benefit to not misconstrue it. Oh and by the by. You are attacking the church founded by Christ, while you attend a church founded by humans. You are displaying antichristian sentiment.
>>16105739
lol, Christianity, the religion of DICKS
The Fatima Apparitions (1917):
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>in 1917, in the village of Fatima, Portugal,three shepherd children reported that to them had appeared an angel, as well as a lady "brighter than the sun", who asked for the children to do penance in order to "save the souls of sinners on Earth and in Purgatory"
>the children claimed that the lady - whom they identified as the Virgin Mary - confided in them three secrets
>in 1917, there occurred the so-called Miracle of the Sun to a crowd of an estimated 50,000 (some estimate a higher figure of 100,000). in which the sun "danced", changing colors and spinning like a wheel while moving in different directions
>people in other villages - some as far as 40 km away - claimed to have seen the sun miracle
>some reported other phenomena, such as a luminous mist and the apportation of rose petals in the vicinity
Anyways, I find it interesting that one of the secrets of Fatima, the second one, predicted that a "second great War" would occur, and that - according to the apparition of the Lady - God would send down to Earth a sign in the night sky that would herald the beginning of it.
In 1938, during solar cycle 17, a great aurora borealis of unusual intensity and scope appeared over the Northern Hemisphere (mainly in Europe and Asia), though it was also seen in places such as California, Bermuda, and North Africa. The aurora was of such intensity that in several European cities, panic ensues due to people thinking massive fires had broken out. Lucia - one of the three shepherds, and the only surviving one at the time - wrote to her spiritual director during the time the aurora were appearing, asserting that this was the sign.
A month later, Hitler invaded Austria.
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There is much controversy over the Third Secret, which the Vatican only released in 2000 (90 years later). Many believe the Holy See gave out a 'false' secret, keeping the actual secret hidden; others believe only a small portion of the Third Secret was revealed.
>>16105720
>Thinks his Church represents Jesus and was started by him.
>Completely disregards that Roman Catholics crucified him on the cross, at the behest of the Jews.
>Also seems to think that the Pope, appointed by human cardinals somehow equate to God's will or authority here on Earth. Even though his position is one more closer to the Anti-Christ.
Alrighty then. Look I don't like slandering anyone's faith it hurts me inside, and I respect you faith. But, don't think for one second that the Catholic Churches will and authority is something I have believe in, as it somehow coincides with God's will. It does not, God needs no one to placate his will and authority here on Earth. You think you're a believer of the true faith? Then fine roll with that, but only you and people who agree with you. But don't try to seem like you've above us all and have the right to lead us with the faith you personally chose.
>>16105751
Thanks once again for great contributions. I love reading these!
>>16105754
Fix'd
But don't try to make it seem like, you're above us and have some sort of divine right to change and challenge our religious beliefs that you personally chose.*
>>16105733
We are fit for God, as long are we are repent for our sins and understand them. It's a chance for redemption, which shows God believes in us as well and loves us dearly. But some religions have made it an easy game of kicking us while we're down. That is not right, God wants to succeed not wallow in self pity.
>>16105716
Baffles me how protestants miss out on the significance of the Tower of Babylon to their own predicament.
>>16105716
whatever nigga, but you're wrong tho
>>16105754
As a Historian it pains me to read such protestant revisionism. The Romans were Paegan. Christianity had not yet swept the world thanks to The Catholic Church. If Catholicism didn't exist, Jesus wouldnt have rose from the dead, hence its nonexistence as this is an important part in the formation of Christianity, The Resurrection. Consequently no one could claim salvation and we wouldn't be arguing over flavors of Christianity because there would be no Great Schism, no Protestant Reformation and no reason for people to be bitter and shitpost. The lack of understanding Christian history is appalling. I'll just ignore your disregard of Apostolic Succession because hey I respect your right to Protest Christianity, hence your Protestant position.
>"Miracles needed to be suppressed in the eyes of the state due to their contradiction of State Atheism. However, it was not yet legal to prosecute people simply for making such claims (it would become so in 1929), so the miracle claims were prosecuted instead under the pretext that they were acts of resistance meant to strengthen believers in their resistance to hold on to church valuables
>The Sretenskaia church at the Sennoi marketplace in Kiev had two gold-plated domes that had for been completely tarnished after many years. These domes experienced a miraculous renovations one day when light shone so brightly from the domes that it was at first thought to be on fire, and a huge crowd gathered to see it with an atmosphere of religious euphoria. The light reportedly moved in patches around the dome for three days as they were progressively "renovated". The local communist newspaper then printed two articles, one of them signed by members of the Academy of Sciences, which stated that the phenomenon was caused by a rare air wave containing a peculiar electric discharge
>A member of the Academy claimed later that the GPU had forced the Academy to say this, and that there were other gold-plated things in the area that were not similarly renovated.
>Several months later the church was dynamite
>Other miracles reported were sudden renovations of icons of religious figures (the Christ, the Virgin Mary, angels, saints) that had gone dark over the years
>It was claimed these would suddenly shine with fresh colours as though newly painted before the eyes of the communist. Some of the communists converted back to the Church after such events, prompting the Bolsheviks to intensify their anti-religious campaigns and begin purges of officials suspected of not fully embracing the State's atheism."
>>16105784
You're an idiot, you understand this right? Anyone having witness Christ's resurrection would have made a Church around it (The Romans just happened to be there, at the right time and the right place), because he was who he said he was.
The Son of God (Which they couldn't deny it after his crucifixion, and became immediate believers soon after), that also doesn't somehow mean they got everything right just because they started the first Church either. You're assuming a lot on pretense, but it is your right to do so. But again make no mistake, just because you were first, doesn't make you right.
>One of the most famous of these supposed miracles occurred in the village of Kalinovka near Vinnitsa in the Ukraine. A detachment of mounted police had come to the village in order to close the local church, but they were met by hostile crowds
>The crowds were too big for the police to force their way through and so they retreated. Not far from the church, however, there was a traditional Crucifix standing at a crossroads, and the policemen in frustration fired at the crucifix
>One of the bullets hit the crucifix in Christ's side and suddenly blood gushed out of the hole reportedly. One of the policemen lost control of himself and fell off his horse, while the others took off. The crowd went on its knees and prayed in front of the bleeding crucifix. The news spread and thousands of people came to see it. The blood reportedly kept running out for several days. Soon after more police came with orders to hack down the crucifix but each time they returned in failure under the claim that some force was preventing them from approaching it
>The local communist press tried to explain the phenomena by claiming that there had been an accumulation of water in the wooden cross behind the metallic figure, and that once the bullet hit the metal, the water, which had turned red from the metal's rust, must have seeped through. The crowds brought crosses with them that they set up beside it, prayed before it and dipped cloths in the miraculous blood. For days and nights they sung hymns as well as burned candles.
>Many atheists reportedly converted after seeing this
>At the very first opportunity the Soviets destroyed the bleeding Crucifix and all adjacent crosses
>The believers who had gathered there that day were later depicted as drunkards, fools and scum, and it was claimed that the kissing of the Crucifix had resulted in an outbreak of syphilis as well as mass robberies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-religious_campaign_during_the_Russian_Civil_War#Suppression_of_miracles
>>16105810
>>16105784
>>16105784
It also doesn't make you wrong either, the Catholics are somewhere in the middle. They have the basic tenants right, but not the whole picture. As no one really does, you will only be able to find your answers through God, not establishments created by Man.
>>16105831
Amen.
>>16105810
Yep because the Church established by The Son of God and his followers himself is very inferior to churches established by pissed off humans who think they can do better at it than God. Sounds like Pride to me. The exact same thing to cause the fall of Lucifer, The Fall of Man (Original Sin) and Protestantism. But you guys don't believe in the Seven Deadly Sins so you did nothing wrong and get a free pass to heaven. You're saved no matter what even if you are the most vile unchristian person ever, you could be a KKK member, SAAAAVED! Westboro Baptist Church, .SAAAVED! Crazy mother who drowned her babies in a tub because "God told her to", SAAVED! The Preacher fucking your wife, SAAAAVED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB! No penance needed. I can be the shittiest person in the world and LORDY BEHOLD I GET A PLACE BEHIND THOSE PEARLY GATES. I just need to say Jesus is my Lord and Savior and I'm heavenbound!
>>16105838
Thing is, Protestants are not Christians.
Christianity is comprised of the Catholic, Orthodox, and Oriental Churches. Protestantism is an offshoot that in no way resembles traditional Christianity.
I call shenanigans
>>16105859
>Protestants are not Christians.
>>16105859
>going directly to god himself instead of through flawed human intermediaries.
>not christian
okay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_solae
>>16105865
The Only protestant figure I respect is Kierkegaard and the only Mormon I respect is John Moses Browning, Patron Saint of Firearms, /k/ praise his holy works. Now I ask you a questiom, do you accept The Murdercube as your personal savior and will you go about the world sacrificing the lives of the enemy and offering The /k/ube their blood.
>Saluto Nex Alea Ave Nex Alea
That being said I lold at your image.
>>16105886
>Please Do Not Touch
I'm not sure I'd have the balls to. But I am not a /k/ommando, perhaps those are who the sign is for.
>>16105886
Kierkeegard is dope and the Murdercube is an idol.
>>16105838
Gnostics believe in Christ definitely, why would it be under heretic?
>>16105906
For a lot of reasons but the biggest one is that they are non-Trinitarian.
>>16105897
>the Murdercube is an idol.
He chooseth poorly. Now you must prove the power of your god. You must press thine genitals against the powerful spring of thee holy M1 Garand until the breech closes on them. If thoust can withstand the pain. The /k/ube favors thee. If thoust shall cry or scream or make any noise in anguish then death be thine fate. Thoust shall be sacrificed in the name of the /k/ube as an appeasement. Thy death will give us luck, fortune, and glory in battle.
>Saluto Nex Alea, Ave Nex Alea!
>>16105926
Are you high or something?
>>16105930
I am in a constant battle-high. I am blood drunk!
>>16105389
Im near Medjugorje (actually country next to Bosnia) and Medjugorje is full of bullshit. Now,I don't want to spit on Catholic religion but that particular place is nothing but tourist attraction. I read a detailed text about it (from its beginnings) and priests were talking a lot of bullshit about it just to get more money for that place (example,that witnesses were communicating with Virgin Mary regulary and that she approved building of some buildings there and things like that some person is not right and is going against God's will and shit like that).
>>16105844
Believe it or not I'm not actually a protestant, I just believe Mary representing the divine feminine, had more of a role than what most believe.
I don't believe your sins can be forgiven after you murder, rape and steal. The Church however would say just be repentant and donate to the Church and all is forgiven for you to continue your evil ways. No, actions have consequences, If I'm anything I'm more of a Orthodox Christian and believe in the original teachings, I just think Mary, is more important than what people want to initially acknowledge.
>>16105980
Fix'd
No, actions have consequences, also If I'm anything I'm more of a Orthodox Christian and believe in the original teachings. I just think Mary, is more important than some would have you believing.*
>>16105664
You say Mary is part of the Trinity, which is blasphemous.
>>16105685
Are you saying that christians do not experience any miracles?
May I mock you in advance for that?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH*BREATHE*AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>16105698
Communing with the dead is unchristian. It's pagan.
You've been warned, and you do not heed the warning.
Your blood is on your head.
>>16105980
Saying that you're a christian is kind of a joke.
>>16106001
She's the holy spirit part
>pic related
If you pray to Mary then she will descend from the heavens to live in your soup
>>16106013
How is saying he's a christian a joke?
>>16106017
>I don't believe your sins can be forgiven
That is a satanic lie designed to stop people from seeking out the salvation that is the right of EVERY human being. Even the ones you don't like!
>>16106014
Yeah, according to this guy. I wonder if she floats in soup.
Man you guys sure hate the Virgin Mary. It comes off as weird.
>>16106017
Oh, I'm sorry. I do that from time to time, and I don't expect you to understand what you're reading right now. It's easy for christians to tell christians from non-christians. You usually just have to ask the right question. It's a gift.
>>16106014
Nope because the Holy Spirit is Jesus and Jesus is the Father and the Father is not a mother.
>>16106013
>Communing with the dead
Mary never died, The Holy Mother was free of Original Sin and thus chosen to be a pure vessel to give birth to and raise the Savior of Humanity. She did not die because she didn't have the blemish of Original Sin which one of the punishments is death, she also felt no labor pangs (another punishment of Original Sin) she ascended body and soul to Heaven. A little research would save you some face. You keep coming off as dense and ignorant.
>>16106053
Ready to post what you believe to be true yet, champ? Ready to lead us all to the altar of Baphomet, cocaine and underage Brazilian hookers?
Christians love Mary.
Catholics blaspheme her.
>>16106061
*the joke intensifies*
>>16106017
Get it now?
>>16106053
Hating Catholic idolatry isn't the same as hating Jesus's mom. It's not her fault that wicked men have twisted her role in God's plan into a perversion.
>>16106060
So women are some sort of demonic defect, or just typical animals?
>>16106070
It really seems more like you hate Mary and either way, what you just said sounded really weird. You guys have hate issues.
>>16106071
They are helpers.
ITT: People who don't see that all Christianity is idolatry
>>16106075
Odd, so does Jesus:
But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
Revelation 2:15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Maybe you should tell Jesus to chill out, grab a 10 year old Brazilian girl, and do lines off her belly.
>>16106075
You have a weird definition of weird, Turtle Face.
>>16106083
Jesus didn't write revelation. You're very weird.
>>16106081
Jew detected. Accept that your savior has come and be a scattered people no longer.
>>16106079
Do you mind if I ask how many fingers you have?
>>16106091
YOU are very weird.
>>16106091
Well what did he write, then?
Why are those tets not yet revealed?
>>16106102
Or maybe eight. . . Are thumbs fingers?
>>16106102
Thumbs are not fingers, ya Dingus!
>>16106099
Jesus is actually Thomas Pynchon. He wrote Gravity's Rainbow.
>>16106091
John is literally dictating for Jesus Christ Himself.
>>16106111
>>16106079
When you put it that way it sure makes sex with women seem trite and even somewhat putrid
>>16106091
I guess maybe those "Benedictine monks" didn't have a grasp of the scriptures themselves, what with worshiping satan and all.
>>16106068
You're not talking with the same Anon. I was the original person he said
>Saying that you're a Christian is kind of a joke.
Not that Anon here>>16106061
Please do not insult me, you are not God, nor Jesus, nor the Heavenly Mother. I have nothing to prove to you, I am only to be judged by God accordingly. Not you, do not mistake his authority for your own.
>>16106114
This.
>>16106114
Reminder: we do not know who John was and his existence is a mystery.
>>16105389
Mary was not a virgin. This is coming from someone raised Catholic.
It was a mistranslated word that was similar to "maiden" or young woman. Furthermore, the version of the bible we all know was 90% fabricated by English scribes due to the missing dead sea scrolls and other such documents.
>>16106123
You can't follow a thread worth a tinker's damn, can you.
>>16106124
Quite disturbing that he would eat the book so peacefully and pleasantly
I suppose he was starving
>>16106125
John the Beloved Apostle, prophesied by Jesus Himself to see the Second Coming before he died, is not a mystery to anyone with wisdom. It has been revealed already.
You are free to love your lies, if you choose.
>>16106120
Are you a homo or just a girl?
>>16106135
someone with any wisdom wouldn't be such a jerk.
>>16106128
Mary was a virgin, which is why when the Hebrew "alma" was translated into Greek, it was translated "parthenos", virgin.
Her being a virgin was a sign to the world.
A young woman giving birth, Isaiah's wife, was a sign to them, and to the people around Isaiah, that Isaiah was a true prophet of God.
Near and far fulfillment of prophecy; don't conflate them if you want to understand them.
>>16106060
They're interconnected and different facets of the same Godhead.
>>16106128
You wouldn't happen to be a Hasidic Clad Jewel Thief in Antwerp would you?
>>16106137
You say I lack love, and yet, where have I received love, here, but from my brothers?
No, you are of the world, and the world hates the things of God.
>>16106129
I'm not the joke that is "intensifying" stupid, your confusing posts, thinking they're from one person when they're actually from two different people.
>>16106139
I'm just glad that Mary herself is unaware of your nonsense.
>>16106144
True, you're not funny at all.
>>16106142
Said the guy posting on 4chan.
>>16106135
I think John may have gotten carried away as all humans do. Which he started mistaking his views and decrees as God's.
>>16106142
Bartering out love in trade isn't really love or wisdom.
>>16106139
[citation needed]
>>16106136
I'm a Christian, actually
That kind of thing rarely occurs to me until people like you bring it up
>inb4 you mock me
>>16106145
Why is it nonsense because you chose to ignore her for the most part? Which you consider women to be inferior or lacking and undeserved of such a position?
Also, what does it matter, this is other's personal beliefs? Are you all so threatened by a women that might have a higher, not a lower position than we initially thought? Otherwise what's the big deal? If women were so lowly and wicked then why do you think God had created them to being with?
>>16106162
>again with 'hating Mary is the same as hating women'
If women are so worthy in the sight of God, how come women can't be Pope?
>>16106160
Then why do you think sex is "trite and putrid?"
God Himself said women are our helpers:
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
- Genesis 2:18
>>16106139
Mary and Jesus are the same person
You don't know the story, because all mentions or Satan-forbid descriptions of creation, rebirth, or undeath were violently suppressed so people would keep working
>>16106156
You haven't been following the thread have you? Mary represents the divine feminine, which is the Holy Ghost, which is apart of the Holy Trinity. They are all interconnected, Jesus is God, and God is Jesus and the Heavenly mother is the Holy Ghost and was needed for divine conception.
Also, what citation? We're talking about religion, also most people don't agree, but that doesn't make it anymore right, or anymore wrong just because it's not a mainstream belief.
>>16106156
Crucify the apostate
>>16106167
Never said they had to have a pope position. I also said, that Jesus and God are the dominant aspects. One more thing just because the Catholic Church does or doesn't do it, doesn't make it true or not.
>>16106168
>I will make him an help meet for him
That's the word of God, huh
>>16106178
>Mary represents the divine feminine, which is the Holy Ghost, which is apart of the Holy Trinity.
There is absolutely ZERO scriptural basis for this.
GTFO with your "queen of Heaven" garbage.
>>16106180
Come at me Roman.
>>16106178
There are such things as Heterodoxy and Heresy but I cannot condemn or judge anyone. That right is reserved to God.
>>16106149
Posts the guy posting on 4chan, actually.
>>16106184
>And the LORD God said
>>16106151
You can think whatever you want. John being "carried away" in the Spirit is not John getting "carried away" with himself.
>>16106173
Basically yes, I also think that is how God created himself. He created something independent from himself, then later added that part to his creation (Merging with his creator, to become self-creating). But, that's just an idea I like to entertain and makes a great deal of sense to me.
But, hopefully one day I'll know for sure.
>>16106153
Then maybe you should stop.
>>16106183
>Never said they had to have a pope position
Of course you didn't, because that's forbidden in that wonderful bastion of feminist philosophy we call Catholicism.
>>16106162
Mary has never heard about you, or heard from you, or knows that you're alive.
>>16106202
I don't believe I fully understand
Maybe if you could show me some sort of animated fractal pattern , I could get a better idea
>>16106173
kek
*joke intensifies*
>>16106210
That's why they call her Lo Loronna because she's so sad that you don't love her
>>16106211
>>16106200
It is if he is mistaking his righteous conviction, for a direct communication with God. I mean I feel like God's light is radiating in my mind (Ascending from above and filling my heart and mind with love), but I won't come up with stuff and say that it's God's will (Because I have a connection with him).
I feel him (And know he's there), but I've never talked to or seen him. So I won't pretend to fill in the blanks because I don't know what he wants me to do, or what he wills.
>>16106202
Nonsense makes a lot of sense to you. I'd see a neurologist, were I you.
>>16106217
The "Queen of Heaven" is a filthy whore who will get EXACTLY what she deserves.
>>16106205
I don't. It was the so called Christian who keeps proclaiming how "wise" he is that claimed he did that. I'm pointing out that it's not love and it's not wise.
>>16106221
And yet, he's not. I don't know how you can take the entire book of Revelation seriously, if you think it the ramblings of a madman.
Revelation comes with both a warning and a curse to those who take any part of it away, and a blessing to any who read to understand it.
>>16106225
Toldja they hated Mary.
>>16106228
Your use of the word "wise" is the first use of the word "wise".
And the second.
>>16106231
Mary's not the Queen of Heaven. Semiramis of Babylon is, wife of Nimrod, mother to Tammuz, and the foundation for the very pagan catholic church.
Pagan Rome crowbarred Mary into the title "Queen of Heaven", when Jeremiah clearly states that people who worship the Queen of Heaven are damned.
>>16106231
Mary is not the "Queen of Heaven."
>>16106232
Nope
>>16106135
>John the Beloved Apostle, prophesied by Jesus Himself to see the Second Coming before he died, is not a mystery to anyone with wisdom.
"Anyone with wisdom." That's him declaring himself wise and using the term.
Please don't lie about other people. it's a sin and it's rude. Take the time to say polite, honest, intelligent things.
>>16106235
This is some serious spin. People often point out how political Christianity has gotten.
>>16106211
Think of the Trinity, has a step of creational process, God came first, Heavenly Mother came second, Jesus came last. But Jesus (As he became the newly appointed King of the arch) stands at the head of the triangle, and in the beginning there wasn't a triangle, God being the Godhead originally and was a sole based Deity.
But created different aspects, and then merged with those aspects, as they become apart of it's inception. Think of it like, if an Alien race created humans, and decided to merge with said humans. Us humans, were the creator but also the created, by our hands.
I think those aspects have freedom to act within their own accord from time to time. But they are all apart of the same being.
>>16106223
Insulting people isn't a very Christian thing to do.
>>16106215
Round und round und round it goes
where will it stop
no body nose
>>16106237
Mary is the moon and I am the sun and we will be together forever
>>16106248
>stop
>>16106219
Yes, good, I've seen this before, but made of elephants
>>16106239
It's literally the definition of the word.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Your pride and arrogance are nauseating.
>>16106252
The nose with no body will be our salvation
The next time you're at the store, look for nice jewelry to give to your dog
>>16106242
You cannot discern truth from lie, yet hold yourself out as someone with understanding.
You are a blind man, blindfolded on a moonless midnight, with no stars shining, walking off of an obsidian cliff into an abyss.
>>16106229
I can't believe everything in the book, I also never said it was the complete ramblings of a mad man. Human hands as we are inherently flawed and tend to muddy up things. The Bible I believe wasn't spared in this, sadly. I want the truth to be known, once and for all. I support it getting out completely whether it adheres to my beliefs or not.
I do not work for Satan or the like, I am simply just trying to find my way as carefully and informatively as possible.
>>16106243
Blasphemy.
The older I get, the more I realize why hell exists.
>>16106246
Says who? You? You're the judge of what christian liberty's limits are?
kek
>>16106270
Cheer up. The bible is inspired by God, not "written by men."
Nobody can understand everything in the bible, not in life, anyways. We just do the best we can, building on a foundation of truth, and accepting only truth into our worldview.
>>16106235
Mary is just a figure, used in Jesus Christ's inception and conception. More than likely she was a human being, but the divine feminine used her for the conception of Jesus.
>>16106272
That's right, hell's there to punish people for not agreeing with you.
If you really think anyone's going to hell for typing one paragraph you don't like then you're even more petty, stupid, hateful and pathetic than anyone realized.
>>16106272
We're taught to love thy neighbor not villianize or hate him because of his beliefs.
>>16106285
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE "DIVINE FEMININE!"
READ THE FREAKIN' BIBLE!
>>16106285
In the dark, alone, and on fire, forever.
A holy, just, and righteous sentence.
>>16106288
>>16106296
See if you two bump into each other in the outer darkness.
>>16106290
Think of me as tough love.
>>16106300
I'll just think of you as the petty little shit stain you actually are.
>>16106277
Well, I hope so, but at face value I cannot. I know God knows this, but I do not turn away from him nor reject him. I travel down a very different path to find him, and as I continue to do so I feel love, lots of it. As it has been waiting for me this entire time, it's taken so long for me to reach this point.
See even if I'm wrong, I do not care. I believe in Jesus and God, the Holy Ghost whether I am right or not. But, to destroy all the confusing or being mislead. I finally told myself, I believe and worship the ultimate embodiment of Truth, Love, Compassion, Mercy, and Justice and if I don't, then that is not God and I need not fear him.
>>16106296
>>16106300
It isn't tough love, you're words are literally being used to toss me into hell because you don't share my beliefs. Do you think God, is so easily defined and limited? How can you say you're on the right path?
>>16106323
>you're words are literally being used to toss me into hell because you don't share my beliefs
Not that anon, but his words are actually being used to warn you not to toss yourself into Hell!
>>16106309
Fix'd
See even if I'm wrong, I do not care. I believe in Jesus and God, the Holy Ghost whether I am right or not. But, to destroy all the confusion of being mislead. I finally told myself, I believe and worship the ultimate embodiment of Truth, Love, Compassion, Mercy, and Justice and if I don't, then that is not God and I need not fear him.*
>>16106325
>>16106300
Well, I guess that is a little comforting. But what if you found out, that God does deem me worthy, or that I was even correct? What then? Will you admit your wrongdoings, or apologize, not that I require any. But, something that says sorry I'm sorry for saying you're going to hell, like I know for sure?
Which again it doesn't have to be for me or my benefit. I don't hold grudges, nor feel any bad blood towards anyone. Just, in the larger scope admitting you're wrong does help you move on and is a valuable lesson. But, all will be revealed to me, I do not fear it. I am resolved with it all and have found God, in a multitude of ways, now I am trying to strengthen my connection with Jesus and the Holy Ghost.
>>16106309
That's exactly right. Well said. Jesus said "I Am The Way, The Truth, and The Light; no man comes to the Father but by Me."
By seeking the Way, Truth, and Light, you are seeking Jesus; and if you seek Him with an open heart, you will find Him.
God bless, and Godspeed.
>>16106323
I don't know who told you I had authority to judge you, and cast your soul into hell, but that person misled you.
The person who does that is Jesus, and He's not fond of people blaspheming His name, and deifying idols.
>>16106362
Confusion, isn't an inherent sin. God knows this, confusion is not knowing, it's basically akin to ignorance, and I don't think God damns anyone because they simply didn't know.
>>16106325
No they aren't He's whining that anyone who disagrees with him on 4chan should burn in hell. That's either infantile or evil, take your pick, but its nothing else.
>>16106360
Thank you, friend! I hope I can find him in everyway, I just have to look harder.
>>16106353
>I am trying to strengthen my connection with Jesus and the Holy Ghost.
If you are a born again christian, ask God for more of His Spirit, and He will fill you up, to overflowing. He delights in doing that.
If you are not a born again christian, by becoming one, you are filled with the Holy Spirit, Who binds you with all other believers into the Body of Christ, Jesus being the Head (and the chief cornerstone). The Holy Spirit is Jesus' Spirit, and once in, will get to know you, and you Him, as much as you allow the process to happen.
>>16106372
Can you tell the difference between 'anyone who disagrees with him on 4chan' and 'anyone who believes heresy about the means of salvation from sin'? I can!
>>16106371
Of course He does.
>>16106376
One of xeno's favorite games is to play the martyr.
>>16106376
Please don't try to lie about what is clearly malice.
>>16106398
>clearly
>>16106375
Definitely up for it, but I once I am actually sure of things. Then I'll truly know where I stand. Also, beforehand I guess I was a daywalker, kinda half a Christian and not one. But, now after some revelations, I did understand there is a God head, and this overwhelming feeling of love washed over me. I want to explore this further, as my heart and inquisitive nature calls for it (This amazing connection).
>>16106371
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
God is not the author of confusion.
>>16106404
It gets deeper and more satisfying, every day, without limit.
>>16106398
>>16106403
Why don't you two subgeniuses go find another sandbox? You've clearly shit this one up to capacity.
>>16106405
>>16106388
Not unbelieving, you're trying to redefine things and twist his words. Also he isn't but man is, what do you not understand about this? There are different versions of the Bible, different sects of the religious detonations of Christianity, even from the father religion Judaism.
Sorry, but either he did (Which isn't likely at all), or humans did. Otherwise you're ignore reality, and the many different pre-established religions saying they have it all right and true. Do you not see man's folly in this, is arrogance in thinking they have one God's truth? If you do, then I cannot help you. Hopefully God one day may.
>>16106423
lol
>>16106429
Again, God is not the author of confusion, and the bible is not confusing to those who know God, and are the called, according to His purposes.
Each and every and all and any other inclusive word you want to use to describe mankind's attempts to establish religion are futile.
>>16106429
Fix'd
Not unbelieving, you're trying to redefine things and twist his words. Also he isn't but man is, what do you not understand about this? There are different versions of the Bible, different sects of the religious detonations of Christianity, even from the father religion Judaism.
Sorry, but either God did (Which isn't likely at all), or humans did. Otherwise you're ignoring reality, and the many different pre-established religions saying they have it all right and what they speak is the true. Do you not see man's folly in this, is it not arrogant in thinking they have God's one sole truth (Like it's limited to human understanding)? If you do, then I cannot help you. Hopefully God one day may.*
>>16106440
>God is the author of The Bible, the most straighforward and fully complete book ever penned
Calm it down there sparky
>>16106448
Well, well, well. Say shit and sandbox, and look who shows up.
>>16106440
So which one is correct Orthodox, the religion much closer to God's originally teachings than all of them? Or the Catholics, who started the first Church and kinda interjected some things into it? I won't even mention Protestant, but what about Lutheran, I know they're still kinda the same but, they have their differences.
>>16106440
>>16106456
God was not the author, he didn't write the book himself. Others did that for him, they just recounted their experiences with him. Stop confusing yourself, if this was the Ten Commandments it would be different, but it is not.
The Bible went though many translations, and many different authors each adding a little bit of themselves into it ( their style of writing). Maybe they chose poorly over words, that could have fitted better in the context of some passage. Again human hands muddied up the Bible, and made it hard to discern the absolute truth.
>>16106458
You're asking the person who said that all of mankind's self-made religions are futile, which one is the best.
Is that a fair understanding of your post?
>>16106477
God inspired the bible; not one jot nor tittle was written without God's express will involved, through God's providence.
Are you following the 10 Commandments perfectly, at all times, as God the Father in heaven is perfect?
Have you read what Jesus revealed about the Commandments, in the Sermon on the Mount?
No?
I'll give you a hint. You have violated Thou Shalt Not Murder, thousands of times.
>>16106483
No, answer the question. Not this passive aggressive bullshit, you know my beliefs. Now I am curious about what religious sect you belong to. Also, I didn't say they were all futile and made up, just that some of it has become skewed. Don't put words in my mouth or assume my position.
>>16106486
Are you mocking me, now? If so I'm just gonna stop here, because the conversation is quickly de-evolving. If not explain it better, so I am understanding this right.
>>16106491
You asked me which religion is correct.
My answer was given before you asked the question.
None of them.
>>16106083
>Jesus to chill out, grab a 10 year old Brazilian girl, and do lines off her belly
Jesus likes boys.
>>16106060
It's a fag orgy.
>>16106494
No, I'm telling you that according to Jesus' teachings, if you have ever called anyone a fool, hated anyone without reason, wished someone dead, attacked someone with malice, or broke any of the other 613 commandments, you also broke Thou Shalt Not Murder.
The Law is not given for you to follow.
The Law is given for you to realize that you cannot use your knowledge of good and evil, and be like God, as satan promised you.
>>16106503
No, Krishna likes boys, and that's why he's dead
Jesus likes women, and Mary likes little boys
>>16106503
That's why I fired his lazy ass. To hard to get an assistant gardener to stay.
>>16106500
Then what are you arguing here? An Atheist's perspective?
>>16106510
My stomachache tells me you're right
>>16106486
>not one jot nor tittle was written without God's express will involved
So god is an idiot then? I thought it was just the guys that claim to speak for him.
BLASPHEMER!!!
>>16106510
How is that related to my points? All I did was mention the Ten Commandments and you decided to bring up Thou shall not Murder.
>>16106524
Was an idiot**
>>16106514
>hue hue guys Jesus is a popular hispanic name, and they also do a lot of manual labor. I am so clever by making that connection no body has ever done this before. Please laugh at me. I desperately need the attention.
>>16106515
I thought I have been clear; allow me to be more precise.
The gospel of Jesus Christ, the good news, is that He paid the sin debt of humanity, so that humanity could receive what Adam and Eve lost in the Garden of Eden; the presence of the indwelling Holy Spirit of God.
As Jesus told Nicodemus, unless a man is born both in water, the flesh, and in the Spirit, he will in no wise enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
This second birth, being born again, follows the confession of a man who states Jesus to be Lord, believing in his heart that God raised Jesus from the dead.
Jesus performed His part of the New Covenant by having His body broken on the cross, and His blood shed on the world, bearing the sins of mankind into death. There is no longer a sin barrier between Man and God.
However, mankind is still born spiritually dead, and once arriving at the age of accountability, is liable for his unbelief, the only sin left unforgiven.
In order to receive the Holy Spirit of God, and become spiritually alive, you must do, say, and believe what is found in Romans 10:9 and 10:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Once that is accomplished, the new christian, the new creation in Christ Jesus, can join any club he wants to join, or none of them. He is free to live his life in a new way, not by following Laws, but by the guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit of God.
>>16106516
The reason Jesus taught the Law, to perfection, and then added more things that God does, like turn the other cheek, go the extra mile, give the thief more than he steals, etc., was to drive a man into despair of every being like God on his own merits.
And then in that despair, turn to a loving God, full of grace and mercy, and be welcomed home.
>>16106512
"And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body" -- Mark 14:51
>>16106528
IS. God never changes.
>>16106537
That was John Mark, the author of Mark, putting himself in the action.
>>16106292
You seem to be misunderstanding. That Satan created an infernal Trinity, The Beast, The Whore and The Dragon. Mary isn't to be confused with the Whore, who isn't apart of the Infernal Trinity.
>>16106546
Even your satanic knowledge is wrong. The unholy counterfeit trinity is Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet.
The Woman is not the Beast; the Woman rides the Beast. She is sitting on top of it, for a while. Then, of course, the Beast turns on her, and devours her, when she is no longer useful.
Thus does satan do to all who do his bidding.
>>16106534
Oh, alright, and what issue are you taking with my posts then?
>>16106546
MARY IS NOT PART OF ANY TRINITY. MARY WAS JUST A VERY NICE LADY AND SHE WOULD BE EMBARRASSED BY THE CULT THAT HAS SPRUNG UP AROUND HER.
>>16106549
I'm going to have to leave that for you to decipher.
>>16106548
It is the same Trinity, just different forms or interpretations, something I guess if confusing for you, concepts and the all.
>>16106551
No, thanks not my job lol.
>>16106550
It's not a cult anymore than Christianity is one. No one is forcing their beliefs on you, you're welcome to take what you want from it and leave.
>>16106552
>It is the same
>just different
>>16106552
Fix'd
It is the same Trinity, just different forms or interpretations, something I guess is confusing for you, concepts and all.
>>16106560
Never heard of concepts I guess. Names are meaningless, these beings have many, many names.
>>16106559
THOSE WHO SPREAD LIES WILL BE REBUKED.
THERE IS NO DIVINE FEMININE AND THE VIRGIN MARY CAN NEITHER HEAR NOR ANSWER PRAYERS.
The Virgin Mary holds a special place in Heaven: she intercedes for humans, because not only is she a human herself, but is also humanity's Mother, in that she gave birth to the salvation of the human race.
Veneration of the Virgin Mary or of the Saints is appropriate, as they are already in Heaven and their word has greater weight than that of one sinner on Earth.
>>16106542
If God never changes then how do you explain Jesus/God, who took on a mortal form and died for our sins, something of which has never happened before?
>>16106567
Someone's pissed off, also I am not spreading lies. Do you even know what this thread was about? Op was asking a question, and we wanted to see if we could maybe explain our own beliefs here better. Then you guys swarmed and acted like jackals, devouring anyone who may have disagreed with you.
Saying you're either wrong or going to hell. Sorry but that doesn't seem like much of a discussion to me.
>>16106587
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE DIVINE FEMININE.
>>16106595
Keep saying that, I guess if you say it long enough it will just magically become true.
>>16106598
I WILL KEEP SAYING IT BECAUSE IT IS TRUE.
GOD IS MALE.
>not giving proper homage to the Virgin Mary
Bunch of ungrateful fucks. Not only did she bring the Christ into the world, but she intercedes on your behalf to her Son, and you still insult her. For your sake, she has appeared on Earth numerous times, giving signs and prophecies and miracles, but you still deny her.
>>16106605
>BLAH BLAH BLAH
>>16106603
Gotta stick a dick on anything you can right? I have a feeling you're defining God as a male with a very physical perspective. He represents the male energy, Mary the female.
>>16106610
JESUS IS A MAN ERGO GOD IS A MAN.
>>16106608
Shit how old are you? Is this how you act, supposedly as a grown adult with some level of maturity?
>Protestantism is Christianity
>>16106618
A divine being not born by sexual reproduction (or at all), needs a penis. Righto.
>>16106623
JESUS HAS A PENIS ERGO GOD HAS A PENIS.
>>16106618
Physically and non physically, you again are defining him in one light and one light only. He is a God, a being of infinite proportions. Jesus's conception was taking place here on Earth, but also from a cosmological standpoint as well. He is a male, but much more than that from a physical perspective.
>>16106629
JUST REMEMBER THAT THERE IS NO DIVINE FEMININE.
>>16106629
Fix'd
He is a male, but also much more than that, he simply did not exist solely in the physical aspect.
>>16106634
Whatever because all caps means you're right. I guess I'll just jump this thread because it's turn to shit now, nice job.
>>16106642
THE BIBLE IS RIGHT AND THERE IS NO DIVINE FEMININE IN THE BIBLE.
>Protestantism
>correct
You mean the squabbling little sects that constantly splinter into more and more little cults? Yeah, no. Besides, Protestantism is bydlo trash-tier. At least, if I were an atheist, I could say Catholicism gave us great works of art and architecture: the cathedrals, the murals, the sculptures; it gave us philosophy and classical liberalism (liberalism was born from the belief that every individual was unique and special, which was born from the early Christian church); it gave us many colorful traditions that gave charm and rustic appeal to places.
Whereas, Protestantism is nothing but mega-churches that have Mcdonald's inside of them and televangelists saying "HALLELUJAH, BABY"
>>16106643
> yfw Elohim is a masculine root with a feminine suffix.
>>16106628
THEY NAILED JESUS'S PENIS? OH MY FUCKING GOD
>>16106646
I'm not protestant myself, just again I believe there is a feminine divine and Mary represented that, that is all. Here comes the guy spamming the thread saying there isn't one, watch him quote my post.
