What did this company actually innovate? Anything?
Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious. I want to know what they innovated because I can't really think of anything.
>>3337834
They invented true 3D gaming with Ocarina of Time and Super Mario 64.
>>3337834
First commercially successful D-pad.
What did this company actually innovate? Anything?
Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious. I want to know what they innovated because I can't really think of anything.
>>3337837
Define dpad.
Search engines exist for a reason.
>>3337840
Get off my American website you Australian anus.
>>3337842
Black bars on the console
>>3337848
So Nintendo innovated nothing.
They made the first handhelds.
They were best at polishing ideas of others.
>>3337872
No they didn't.
They brought us Mario, who contrary to popular belief, didn't originate in Super Mario 64, but he was actually originally a villain in the Donkey Kong series, which wasn't originally intended to be a Donkey Kong game, but instead, a game about cereal mascots, but it was changed at the last minute when Universal threatened to sue. The ideas from the original game eventually made it into the Japan only Doki Doki Pinnoci.
You can't deny history.
I have destroyed so many threads with this image. Its beatiful
>>3337862
>Search engines exist for a reason.
>>3337880
I couldn't find any legitimate innovations.
>>3337881
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation
Nintendo has "innovated" a lot, you retard.
>>3337878
>D-pad and shoulders
Nigga, Intellivision pad was held totally the other way than pads after Nintendo do.
>>3337894
You don't even understand the full definition of "innovation". If you did, then this thread wouldn't exist.
>>3337897
Yes I do. And you're dodging the question.
>>3337901
>>3337878
Where's the D-pad on this thing?
>>3337903
this
STOP
BULLYING
NINTENDO!!!
>>3337908
D-pads differ from normal digital buttons, they can be used for a combination of movements (moving it up-right for example) to be input instead of just a single button (having to press both up and right).
By your logic I'm typing this post right now on a D-pad.
>>3337915
Could be if those buttons dictate movement in video games. Your definition is simply wrong.
>>3337834
You're a faggot.
>>3337917
So the Intellivsion allows for a combination of directions with a single button press right? According to you, I'm currently typing on this thing, right? Just want to get that straight.
>>3337920
See, you've already mentally defined a dpad as the Nintendo style. You've failed to realise what a dpad actually is. It is merely a set of buttons that allow for movement and navigation. The cross that Nintendo used is just a piece of plastic over the buttons. A dpad is not required to be able to perform eight way movement to be a dpad.
>>3337927
>The cross that Nintendo used is just a piece of plastic over the buttons.
AKA The D-Pad.
>>3337927
I seriously hope you're just trolling that guy
>>3337927
But it's literally called a directional pad. It's right there in the name, it's the cross.
It's the only thing from that image I disagree with.
>>3337834
mods fucking please do your job. This is worthless bait. Along with the n64 hater that always spams shit in the n64 threads. It leaves nothing for discussion.
>>3337931
Oh, so that's your misunderstanding. I see now. Ok, that piece of plastic is not the dpad. The dpad is just the set of buttons that control movement. Dpad is a term coined in the late 90s to describe any set of buttons that control the movement/navigation in visual electronics.
>>3337935
So is any set of buttons that control movement/navigation in electronic media.
>>3337943
You're absolutely right. That's why every single controller since the Famicom has that piece of plastic now. Just because. They could've easily gone with a numerical keypad that offered serveral inputs at once (apparently) like the Intellivision that was truly innovative and functional, but for some reason they used the cross that was just a piece of plastic and served no purpose.
You're either a full retard or an expert troll.
>>3337946
Nintendo fans are some of the whiniest crybabies on /vr/, don't expect anything constructive from them.
>>3337903
>Apple
Except Nintendo brings it to the masses, while constantly trying to revitalize a stale industry, Apple on the other hand bring their products to... hipsters and people who have way too much money to spend, or that value design over literally everything else.
>>3337950
Wait. You do know the disc is the dpad, right? Did you think the number buttons were the dpad?
>>3337957
So then why did you say buttons? For fuck's sake.
The disc isn't "buttons" plural.
>>3337953
>Except Apple brings it to the masses, while constantly trying to revitalize a stale industry, Nintendo on the other hand bring their products to... manchildren and people who have way too much money to spend, or that Mario and gimmicks over literally everything else.
>>3337959
Yes it is. There are buttons underneath it, just like every dpad. So you were arguing against something you literally knew nothing about just to defend the honour of Nintendo?
>>3337951
We would reply constructively if the OP actually put some thought behind their trolling. But innovation?? Come on everyone can do better than that.
>>3337962
Of course, who the fuck has played an Intellivision? Hipster trash.
And it wasn't for the honor of Nintendo, I couldn't give a fuck about them. It was for the honor of the late, great Gunpei Yokoi.
>>3337963
>But innovation?? Come on everyone can do better than that.
Well, everyone except Nintendo, evidently.
>>3337953
>Nintendo
>to the masses
You are on /vr/, where Nintendo is the most expensive console among other mass consoles.
>>3337965
Looks like you were wrong, misguided and ignorant. Hit the bricks, kid, you're done. Yokoi was a talentless Yakuza stooge, by the way.
>>3337971
>Yokoi was a talentless Yakuza stooge, by the way.
How dare you, Australia-kun! He's done more than you, redneck pom.
>>3337960
Are you a literal nincompoop?
>Apple brings it to the masses
Masses and overpriced don't go hand in hand.
>revitalize a stale industry
Revitalize means more than release the same product, add an S to the name and increase the CPU.
>way too much money to spend
Wait, are nintendo's products too expensive now? Ok.
>Mario
It's only the franchise with the best 2d and 3d platformers, kart racers, etc.
>gimmicks over literally everything else
Yeah, cause everyone bought a Wii U.
>>3337974
>Masses and overpriced don't go hand in hand.
Like Nintendo's overpriced consoles?
>Revitalize means more than release the same product, add an S to the name and increase the CPU.
Like the S NES?
Wait, are nintendo's products too expensive now?
Comparatively, yes. They certainly were.
>It's only the franchise with the best 2d and 3d platformers, kart racers, etc.
Not at all. Those games are baby trash.
>Yeah, cause everyone bought a Wii U.
They bought Wiis.
>>3337973
Lay off the e-celeb history lessons, will you?
>>3337927
> It is merely a set of buttons that allow for movement and navigation
The entire tv remote is a d-pad. Elevator panels are all just d-pads.
>>3337981
Sure. Maybe hold down some decent leadership for longer than 2 years, will you?
>>3337965
>It was for the honor of the late, great Gunpei Yokoi.
>>3337834
Pornographic playing cards.
>>3337834
>Not trolling
did you know Hiroshi Yamauchi wasn't actually a human being? He was a vessel that enclosed 7 yakuza oni spirits from 7 different regions in Japan. These oni monopolized the gambling in Japan with the hanafuda Nintendo cards and put a spell so that no other company could produce cards, truly evil.
Yamauchi, often referred to as "大é”王 ãƒ†ã‚£ãƒ©ãƒŽå¤©å ‚" (Great Evil King Tyranotendo), tyranized the video games market with his monopolic practises, it is said that the Master System or the PC Engine didn't actually ever exist, and that they were invented time after so hide the fact that the Famicom was actually the one and only console existing in Japan.
>>3337834
Famicom was super inovative. Just compare Famicom to Atari systems that came before it.
>>3337978
>Comparatively, yes. They certainly were.
Compared to what? Apple products?
>Not at all. Those games are baby trash.
That is your opinion mate.
>>3337946
They are all over the thread friend, why don't you take a time to read?
>>3338154
No they aren't. I already debunked them.
>>3338159
You aren't debunking anything, matey, you're just showing everyone how big your autism against Nintendo is.
Is Nintendo really that big in your life that you need to shitpost about them every single day of your life? What gives?
>>3338164
Someone said Nintendo made the first dpad, I proved them wrong. Someone said Nintendo made the first handheld, I proved them wrong. That's all anyone has claimed.
>>3338159
No you didn't, d-pad, lock-on, shoulder buttons and even smash-style combat are all their inventions.
>>3338165
You're just obsessed with wanting to "prove" that "nintendo never innovated anything! nintendo suuuuuuuckkkkksss!"
Seriously, what's up? Why the trauma with nintendo?
>>3338172
I don't believe you don't think Nintendo sucks. If you're so committed to keep making these kind of threads, it's obvious you have a personal vendetta against Nintendo.
Look, it's OK if you don't like Nintendo, but just ignore them. Having childish tantrums like "waah why is nintendo popular I don't like them" is only going to make you look like a big crybaby and people will keep making fun of you.
Take it as an advice. Leave /vr/ already. Find another hobby, you're not enjoying this one. It has become a job for you, and you've personalized Nintendo and "nintendildos" as some kind of imaginary enemy you have to fight. Just... release yourself from this pain, man. Set you free.
>>3338175
Just ignore this thread if you can't accept the fact that Nintendo has never innovated anything. Don't try to strawman everyone who dislikes the faceless corporation that you are loyal to.
>>3338179
I usually ignore these threads but meh, I felt like giving some advice to a person who needs help.
You are the one who uses strawman if you think I'm loyal to a corporation. I enjoy video games, not companies. I never was a console/system/brand warrior.
I enjoy this hobby, you do not.
Find another one and set you (and /vr/) free.
>>3338181
Are you trying to deny that you strawmanned me while continuing to do it?
>>3338172
>Innovation in the field of video games, you idiot.
Something Nintendo has done a lot of.
>>3338189
Such as?
Donkey Kong was the first game with non-interactive story cutscenes (before and after each level).
The NES introduced the D-pad.
Super Mario Bros made sidescrolling platformers incredibly popular until the introduction of 3D. Also it had novel running and jumping physics.
The Legend of Zelda introduced an unprecedented combination of open-world exploration and fast, arcade-like combat, which many other companies borrowed heavily from.
Metroid combined elements from the above two to pioneer the exploration-based, non-linear sidescroller.
Game Boy was the first major cartridge-based handheld with console-level graphics, gameplay, and sound.
SNES introduced shoulder buttons.
Super Mario Kart created the mascot kart-racing genre with powerups and weapons.
N64 introduced the thumbstick, force feedback, and trigger button to console gamepads.
Super Mario 64 redefined the 3D platformer with open-ended exploration and vastly expanded, physics-based movement.
Ocarina of Time was one of the first fully 3D open-world games and introduced lock-on targeting to 3D hack-and-slash combat.
Pokemon was an early form of portable social gaming, using the Game Boy Link Cable.
Super Smash Bros. created the crossover mascot fighting game genre with a very different style of fighting compared to the likes of Street Fighter and Tekken.
All of this is just off the top of my head.
>>3338186
I hope you find your way, video game discussion is not it.
That's all.
>>3338172
Clearly you are fucking stupid, no games now days use the same lock-on system that Tomb Raider uses, also ever wondered why people call smash-style combat? Because The Outfoxies is a completely different game.
>>3338190
Too much to list in a single thread.
Personally, the things I appreciate them for the most are the dpad, saves (as we use today not passwords/codes), and handhelds that were actually portable and usable.
![Flag-Japan[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/prxwVqW.png "Flag-Japan[1].png")
What did this country actually innovate? Anything?
Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious. I want to know what they innovated because I can't really think of anything.You are now aware that the entire storied "Eastern Mind" is programmed from birth to function simply as part of a collective which all but totally stifles original thought. The world needs white people with our huge egos and instinctive belief in the divine right of kings
>>3338193
All of these are bold faced lies. Most have been answered ITT, the others admit that they just copied other innovations by more creative companies.
Most of these like
>Super Mario 64 redefined the 3D platformer with open-ended exploration and vastly expanded, physics-based movement.
and
>Super Smash Bros. created the crossover mascot fighting game genre with a very different style of fighting compared to the likes of Street Fighter and Tekken.
and
>Game Boy was the first major cartridge-based handheld with console-level graphics, gameplay, and sound.
Are hilariously wrong.
>>3338201
Humans never innovated anything, everything we know come from ancient alien civilizations, and we just copied it.
>tfw you'll never play superior annunaki video games
>>3338207
>Okay, you have nothing.
Like I said. I really don't know what it is about millennials and their inability to read a fucking dictionary.
>>3338207
Whether it matters or not, it bothers you.
Be aware that Nintendo will continue to be popular even after you die, and people will continue to say Nintendo invented a lot of things, and you will be 6 feet under and won't be able to post your "look, this disc-shaped button is a d-pad! nintendo didn't invent nothing!" bait pics to "prove them wrong".
>>3338207
>So popularity is all that matters now?
That is what innovative means right?
An idea that you introduce in a environment that others soon follow.
>>3338210
Video games are the field. Innovations refer to advancements in fields. I guess you've never worked in a lab.
>>3338210
pro tip: you're arguing with a Gen X guy, not a Gen Y/Z.
Which makes it all even more embarrassing.
![image48[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DrNuuei.jpg "image48[1].jpg")
>>3338205
>implying we're not all the descendants of those ancient aliens, some of us more than othersyfw you can't tell if I'm from /pol/ or /x/
>>3338215
No, it refers to advancements regardless of popularity.
>>3338214
Are you still butthurt that you didn't know anything about the Intellivision, tried to argue against it, and subsequently got told?
>>3338221
If it is not popular than it is not innovative.
So at this point you're guys just arguing semantics.
You will never convince australia-kun that Nintendo ever innovated anything, why even try? Just let him be.
>>3338224
Advancements in a sphere of activity, interest, or study.
>>3338225
I never discussed the intellivision, you got the wrong anon.
Also Coleco>intellivision
>>3338226
Untrue.
>>3338229
Now explain what an invention is.
>>3338234
An advancement in a sphere of interest, activity or study.
>>3338237
Ok, thanks for letting the world know that you're illiterate.
>>3337878
They made most of these things not shit for the first time.
If I have an idea for the perfect console/game but can't make it work, what's the point?
Thousands of people have ideas that would be world changing every day, including me and (you) and every anon on this board. The thing that makes Nintendo better than us is that they can make it happen.
>>3337878
>>I have destroyed so many threads with this image
I've only seen it a few times on /vr/ and people never made a big deal about it. Neither do they now.
Besides
>> being proud of making people angry on an image board
INB4 "I was just pretending to be retarded", "Ha, I trolled ya hard!"
>>3338239
No, anon, you don't understand, nintendo is pure evil and the only people that like nintendo were brainwashed by youtubers, or something like that.
>>3338238
Oxford's definition says pretty much the same thing.
>make changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas, or products.
So
>make changes in something established (VIDEO GAMES), especially by introducing NEW methods, ideas, or products.
NOT refining OLD methods, ideas, or products.
>>3337878
This is like trying to argue with rabid anti-Apple nerds who are convinced that none of Apple's products were innovative because some obscure product that no one heard of had an early version of a feature before Apple refined it and put it into a compelling mainstream product.
>>3338246
Kid you are terribly ignorant and illiterate. You're probably not trolling either.
>introducing NEW methods, ideas, or products.
Doesn't mean you invented anything.
Henry Ford is an innovator. About all people remember him for is the "production line". Guess what? He never invented it. Wasn't even the first to use it in the automotive industry. He was the first to successfully do it for that application. That's why he's an innovator.
.
Innovation and invention are very far apart. Neither needs the other.
>>3337978
>Wait, are nintendo's products too expensive now?
>Comparatively, yes. They certainly were.
No they weren't. The N64 was much more expensive than the Playstation and the Saturn but all other consoles from Nintendo were the same price as the rest of its contemporary counterparts (NES, SNES) or even cheaper (non-retro like Gamecube, Wii and Wii U).
INB4 some snarky comment about how older nintendo consoles have become expensive because of man-children, hipsters or whatever
>>3338252
Nobody worth their salt calls Henry Ford an innovator. You don't know what innovation means even when I spelled it out for you.
>>3338253
I already explained this. Budget computers were much more affordable, which is why they were more popular when the Nes and Snes were new. The Gamecube was more expensive than the PS2 and the Wii was just a Gamecube with waggle.
So since you guys are very excited to discuss words and definitions, how would you define "shitposting"?
>>3338259
>Nobody worth their salt calls Henry Ford an innovator. You don't know what innovation means even when I spelled it out for you.
I suggest an heroing at your earliest possible convenience.
>>3338262
Posts praising Nintendo.
>>3338268
Really? but is "praising" the same as "liking"? How would you differentiate the two? We need some in-depth definitions here, man.
Also, why just Nintendo? what about posts that praise the Amiga?
>>3338267
Go back to /b/ with your crusty, old meme. You obviously have no argument.
>>3338273
You can like Nintendope just don't post about it.
People who praise the Amiga are genuine and have fond memories of a system they grew up with.
>>3338274
My argument got left behind like your education.
>>3338279
>People who praise the Amiga are genuine and have fond memories of a system they grew up with.
But how do you define "genuine"?
Would you say the Amiga port of Castlevania is "genuine"?
>>3338280
Your education must have been great if it gave you the ability to override the definitions in the dictionary of the University of Oxford. Or, more likely, you're an arrogant teenager who thought he knew what innovate meant but was told hard.
>>3338281
That was an obscure, sloppy port built from scratch by an inexperienced team who had never played the actual game.
>>3338286
Not really obscure, it has become quite popular on /vr/
>>3338282
We've establish you're illiterate. No need to further prove it.
>>3338295
>You're not smarter than the Oxford dictionary. Sorry.
Need to be able to read before you can make a claim like that.
>>3338295
So you didn't tell me how do you define "genuine". It means "sloppy"?
>>3338302
You're relying on this meme of yours, but it just doesn't hold water. Go lick your wounds then come back better equipped to debate me. Learn from this experience.
>>3338305
Buy a dictionary.
>>3338308
I find it funner if you tell me your own definitions.
What makes Amiga fanboys more "genuine" and what does "genuine" mean to you?
>>3338306
What exactly am I learning here?
I came to the thread knowing already that kids like you think innovation and invention are interchangeable words.
>>3338314
Oh, you're just arse blasted. I'll let you cool off for a while. Come back when you have something to say.
>>3338317
What? I'm cool, I just want to know what do you think "genuine" means in the context of being an Amiga fan.
The dictionary won't be able to answer in that context, you know.
>>3338321
I can read unlike you. What else?
>>3338259
>Budget computers
I was talking about consoles. Even if you're going to move goalposts, you seem to not realize that those computers weren't really made for games.
Even in Europe, the NES and especially the SNES were more popular platforms for videogames than MS DOS or other computers.
>the gamecube was more expensive than the PS2
The PS2 released with a >300 pricetag while the gamecube's original price was less than 200.
>>the Wii was just a Gamecube with a waggle
Not sure what you're implying here.
>>3338323
That they aren't just repeating e-celeb lies.
>>3338326
Clearly not.
>>3338327
>I was talking about consoles. Even if you're going to move goalposts, you seem to not realize that those computers weren't really made for games.
Even in Europe, the NES and especially the SNES were more popular platforms for videogames than MS DOS or other computers.
Consoles weren't as popular in most of Europe.
Amstrad, Sinclair, and Acorn made computers that were cheaper than the Nes and more popular. The Snes was only popular after 1994.
>The PS2 released with a >300 pricetag while the gamecube's original price was less than 200.
When the GCN came out the PS2 was cheaper.
>Not sure what you're implying here.
That Nintendo charged full price for a waggle gimmick slapped on a 5 year old console.
>>3338331
So that's what "genuine" means to you? "Not spreading e-celeb lies"?
But that's wrong because there are e-celebs that tell lies about Amiga, see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GrmaXeOTEA
>>3338331
>The Snes was only popular after 1994.
This was thanks to Donkey kong Country, IIRC, right? Nobody cared about SNES before DKC, right?
>>3338331
>>Consoles weren't as popular in most of Europe.
Amstrad, Sinclair, and Acorn made computers that were cheaper than the Nes and more popular.
See >>3338327
>> Even if you're going to move goalposts, you seem to not realize that those computers weren't really made for games.
>>The PS2 released with a >300 pricetag while the gamecube's original price was less than 200
Note that I was talking about the prices of consoles when they were released, not about later prices. In other words, you didn't bring a new point here either.
>>That Nintendo charged full price for a waggle gimmick slapped on a 5 year old console.
And that console was still far cheaper than both the PS3 and the Xbox 360 which was released earlier than the Wii so even if I used your logic, the Wii was still cheaper than the other two.
So to summarize, I made three points, you gave me three answers that didn't refute nor prove anything. You're either stupid or trolling, I assume both.
>>3338340
Yes.
>>3338337
What's the lie?
>>3338345
They still had games. It doesn't matter if they were supposed to. After 1987 the Spectrum was popular just for games.
How is that relevant? The price of the PS2 in 2000 was irrelevant to consumers when the GCN was released.
The Wii was more of a sixth gen console. It was so much weaker than the other two major consoles.
>>3338349
>Yes.
lol, I remember you from another thread, you're one hilarious guy.
>>3338350
It's pretty coon knowledge for anyone who lived in England at the time.
>>3338349
>What's the lie?
>* Best viewed in 50 Hz!
>>3338351
I wouldn't be so sure about that, but you're still one hilarious chap.
![business-commerce-pedantry-pedant-conference-meet-meeting-cgon304_low[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nP1CC95.jpg "business-commerce-pedantry-pedant-conference-meet-meeting-cgon304_low[1].jpg")
Innovation is a cliche word. Stuff is successful not because of being new, but being better or simply well done. I don't see Nintendo as an innovative company, but just as one that did really good stuff, better than others.
>>3337834
They didn't innovate too much, rather they popularized.
>>3338392
They didn't seem to innovate at all?
>>3338391
>Did you live through that time in Europe?
Yes, but not in britbognland
>>3338391
50hz isn't "best" anything, period.
But still you have Amiga fanboys and e-celebs spreading lies about 50hz being good. So they aren't "genuine", they're liars just like any other e-celeb and fanbase, sorry.
>>3338398
Exactly, they popularized things and because they were the ones who made certain things popular everyone credits them. history is written by the victors
>>3338414
Anyone who knows anything about video games knows that Nintendo innovated nothing. I don't listen to people who know nothing.
>>3338419
Yes, but that's my point, The general public thinks that Nintendo innovated but they didn't, they popularized things.
>>3338421
Why would I care what idiots think?
>>3338415
>You obviously lived in the Netherlands or Scandinavia, then.
There are other countries and regions in Europe apart from those.But yeah, I'm from Scandinavia.
>>3338424
You don't but the point of this thread is that OP wanted to know what Nintendo innovated and I said nothing, they only popularized, which is the truth. If it wasn't Sega might have a larger fanbase or Atari games would be a bit more popular.
>>3338415
>PAL50 is better than NTSC60
Are you trolling? yes, you are trolling.
>>3338427
The other regions had basically no presence from Nintendo besides the brief time between DKC and the Playstation. But DKC was really only popular in the UK.
Guys, help.
I can't sleep, I keep having nightmares about people thinking Nintendo innovated when they CLEARLY never innovated anything.
How do I stop having nightmares? Shitposting doesn't do anything anymore.
>>3338437
not him, but I'm from France and the Super NES was popular here, we even got stuff like Dragon ball and Sailor Moon games localized just for us.
You're full of shit.
>>3338439
Just play some Sega or Atari or litterally anything but Nintendo, Show yourself the truth and whenever someone spreads bullshit about Nintendo Innovating tell them the truth.
>>3338449
>It's not like Nintendo is popular now, so it doesn't matter.
Well, it's more popular than Sega, Atari or Commodore, for sure.
>>3338449
>The sales numbers say otherwise :)
Why did you put that smilie? It's ironic?
Anyway, your narrative that Nintendo didn't have presence in countries other than Netherlands or northern europe is bullshit.
If Nintendo didn't have any presence, then the sales numbers should be Zero. And that isn't the case. You're wrong.
>>3338449
>What do you think makes it worse?
What do you think is better about 50hz compared to 60hz?
>>3338459
>I can tell English isn't your first language.
Don't you say captain obvious, I'm french.
You're still full of bullshit.
>>3338459
>Sega is still pretty popular for a publisher.
Yeah, Bayonetta 2 was one of the best games this generation IMO.
Based Nintendo for funding it.
>>3338458
*sigh*
>>3338448
I actually never played Nintendo in my life, but my body still shakes involuntarily every time I remember there's people out there who like them.
How do I put an end to this suffering?
>>3337834
>Not trolling
>>3338467
>You still don't understand what I'm saying.
That's right, I can't tell what you're saying behind all that load of bullshit.
2D gameplay, 3D gameplay, motion controls. The first two are extremely significant.
>>3338467
Get with the times, gramps.
Based means "Nintendoes what Segain't"
>>3338474
You'd know I'm right if you knew English !
>>3338464
>defending 50hz
Keep spreading e-celeb lies, Amigay
>>3338480
Bullshit is universal, I don't need to have a major in English language to tell you're full of shit.
>>3338490
>You got told hard.
How so? Lies spread by e-celebs aren't telling me anything, other than you're homosexual and enjoy it.
>>3338490
Meh, at this point you're not even trying anymore.
Understandable, this thread has been going for like 7 hours now, you must be tired.
>>3338501
I've read what you've posted, and I've read your posts here before.
Still, really, 7 hours... that's some work you put into this, I will concede you that, you're serious about this shit.
>>3338468
Well I mean just understand that liking them doesn't mean that they buy into the bullshit, I like some nintendo games, mostly on Famicom, but I understand they did almost nothing for the industry besides popularize things, and another thing I do is try to avoid modern gaming news and channels, since those tend to bring up Nintendo or at least the NX at one point, I only ever actually notice it if it's in the related videos for music I'm listening to while playing Sega, Atari, Amiga, or Arcade games and such.
>>3338501
>How is my chart a lie?
Your chart is a lie because NTSC stands for "Never The Same Color" and PAL stands for "Petrified Australian Latency".
>>3338514
God, it's so obvious you're australia-kun.
Cringe as fuck.
Just stop wasting your time here, idiot.
>>3338510
it's not even close to less of a game but I still like my japcrap more.
>>3338514
>another thing I do is try to avoid modern gaming news and channels, since those tend to bring up Nintendo or at least the NX at one point
So basically you're covering your eyes going "lalalala nintendo doesn't exist! doesn't exist!"
I try to do that but in the back of my head, I still know there are people that enjoy Nintendo, and as I said, it makes my body shake, violently. It gets more painful each time.
>>3338519
I live in america you fucking idiot, I'm just tired of the Nintendo circlejerk.
>>3338525
yeah but what does it matter, If you don't see, hear, or interact with them, why even care?
>>3338527
I guess it's on a subconscious level, I can't control it.
Last time I went to a family diner, my brother's wife took out her 3DS and I involuntarily took it out of her hands, smashed it against the floor while screaming "fucking nintendildos! fucking nintendildos!" and got a seizure afterwards, been shaking on the floor for like 15 minutes.
I can't keep living like this, man, I need a solution.
I need Nintendo to stop existing. Ignoring them doesn't work anymore.
>>3338526
The Nintendo circlejerk is endless here. IDK why either. This whole site is filled with degenerates pedos, Nazis, gun nuts and far worse. Yet they all fucking LOVE nintendo.
It's like going to the bad part of town and finding some hidden Nazi rally in some run down old werehouse, and then you go inside and they're all just cuddling their MLP plush toys and talking about why Zelda OoT is the greatest thing literally EVER.
IT's fucking weird as shit.
And just FYI, I'm just a garden variety porn creep. I just see tons of racism and other shit in my travels here, lol.
>>3338532
Ok, I highly doubt this happened but for the sake of the conversation, don't forget that the 3DS has the best ports of Fantasy Zones 1&2, and other great Sega arcade ports.
>>3338529
No they did not.
>>3338456
>Why did you put that smilie? It's ironic?
Because he's trolling you. He knows he shouldn't do it but hey, have you ever seen a shitposter trying to be believable with his shit?
>>3337875
>the first GOOD handhelds.
>>3338534
Same, but I come here on /vr/ because this is the only board that I know will recognize great Sega, Atari, Amiga, and other games that people on /v/ or just anywhere else will shrug off and ignore, This board is founded upon the fact that things were better back when these things were in their prime and I love it.
>>3338546
The Game Gear?
>>3338547
You keep coming to a board that constantly call you out on your autism and even mods make fun of you just because "old is better"?
If you don't know any other board, you should learn how to use google, there are plenty of internet forums that specialize on retro euro computer sand all that junk you love.
>>3338558
>>3337953
>value design over literally everything
Apple's design isn't even good. I hate how Apple fags still whine about PCs and shit, Apple's computer have been PC-based for 10 years now.
>>3338560
Capcomfag? You do know the best handheld versions of Capcom games on any handheld, right?
>>3338559
yeah but I'm lazy and I still like it here.Plus I call out my own autism and hate myself enough already so that's not important
>>3338568
I think rather than a video game board, what you need is to find a BDSM community.
The world is full of weird fucks who hate themselves, you're just wasting your time here.
>>3338585
Yeah but I'm still happy I just really dislike myself as a person.
None of their "innovations" matter now. The Pii U is dead, Iwata is dead and they're about to go third party. RIP kiddytendo.
>>3338172
You really are confusing "innovate" with "invent."
I hope you're just one of "da trollz."
>>3338203
>NONE OF YOU ARE PROVING ANYTHING I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG
>doesn't prove anyone wrong
>>3338614
He proved them wrong... something something e-celebs, etc.
>>3338616
He didn't prove anything other than that he confuses innovate and invent.
>>3338610
I already explained why you're wrong and why your grasp of the English language is insufficient.
>>3338618
He's saying that indeed he never proved anything wrong other than blaming e-celebs for everything.
Anyway the amount of samefagging in this thread is incredible.
>223 replies
>37 unique IPs
>>3338629
lol, I'm the french guy, but I'm not the guy you replied just now.
you should go to sleep already, it's late and you've been shitposting for too long.
>>3338630
Would you rather we limit everyone to 1 post per thread?
>>3338634
No, but having poster id for each thread would be nice.
>>3338637
Poster IDs killed the boards they're used on
Well, other than /b/, which was always terrible.
>>3338637
Go to another website if you want that shit.
>>3338638
Always?
>>3338646
Always.
/b/ was never good
>>3337838
Internet connectivity with gaming consoles, with the first subscription online service on a console, the first downloadable games on a console, and the first online play on a console. CD-based games. Backwards compatibility. A custom console OS. The first console capable of 480p.
But to answer OP, Nintendo was a pioneer in the field of $100 games with special chips inside them - that still look and play like shit, sure, but hey, it LOOKED 3D!!!
>>3337834
Nintendo pioneered being for babies and man children who run away when they see blood because they are immature babyfags and can't handle a deep, dark, serious game like I can. Sega and Sony had games that reflected the inner darkness of my soul from having two Christmases since my parents were divorced, while Nintendo did kiddy shit because minute toddlers are fucking babies who never had to rough it in high school like real people, like me, who had to deal with bullies and preppy douchebags since they didn't understand my real power...
I've always totally opposed IDs on boards. I've also never liked it since Moot made it that OPs can't bump their own thread.
>>3337834
They were some stubborn bastards. Sega launched the 16-bit revolution and had Nintendo get off their ass and respond with the Snes. Nintendo held onto cartridges while everyone else jumped to CD. Nintendo didn't do online while Sega and Microsoft were the ones who got the ball rolling. They had some innovative games but sure didn't do much hardware-wise.
>>3338698
>They had some innovative games but sure didn't do much hardware-wise
LOLwut?
>Famicom
>introduced a whole host of features not seen in earlier consoles
>SNES
>more advanced than the Genny in every way but CPU speed
>N64
>first successful 64 bit console and highly advanced for its time, though hamstrung by the cartridge format
>>3338698
What games were innovative?
>>3338712
>more advanced than the Genny in every way but CPU speed
But RAM speed.
But size of normal-mode resolution.
But number of sound channels.
>>3338712
You're not really saying anything. And success isn't an innovation.
>>3338712
>more advanced than the Genny in every way but CPU speed
Damn that's impressive considering it was released years later. I'm now a #Nintendog.
>>3338725
Mario 64 yes, the other two, no.
>>3338725
You really don't know much about the Mega CD. Seems like you just watched an AVGN video and never really looked at it independently.
How were those games innovative?
>>3338726
Two years. Not a huge difference.
>>3338731
It's a pretty significant amount of time.
>>3338727
Starfox pushed the Snes way past its usual limits with Super-FX and popularized enhancement chips. Zelda was a big open world adventure and yeah, you got me there now that I think about it there could have been more before that one.
>>3338731
Two years was a huge difference at that time. We've only had a slowdown in Moore's Law recently.
To give a good example, less than 2 years was the difference in graphics between Quake 1 and Unreal.
>>3338737
Starfox ran like pure shit and only pushed the limits of the SFX chip because that chip was shit, Zelda was a Hydlide ripoff.
>>3338712
The N64 was actually 64-bit, way before that was common in personal computers. This was because it was based on the Silicon Graphics Indy, which was a Unix Workstation.
>>3338745
N64 is 64 bit not because of its SGI origins but because it has the MIPS R4300i CPU which was an off-the-shelf CPU that just happened to be 64 bit. It was probably the best performance/price RISC CPU of '96.
Pretty much a lucky coincidence for Nintendo's marketing department and no more.
>>3338743
Are you also going to tell us about what a waste it was to put a 3D game on there in the first place? That's always a fun conversation.
>>3338662
>impersonation is the new form of shitposting
I'm okay with this
>>3338740
I'd say on average technology moved fastest in the 90s when big jumps were made every year. In the 80s things didn't move all that fast--most PC software in 1989 still ran on a 1983 IBM XT if you upgraded the RAM. A PC from 1993 was hopelessly antiquated by 1999 and nothing out by then would run on it. That's the difference between a 33Mhz 486 with 8MB of memory and a 400Mhz Pentium II with 64MB of memory.
>>3338745
Just to follow on from >>3338751
There is some truth to what you say because SGI really liked using MIPS CPUs in their workstations, to the extent that they actually bought MIPS out.
Contrary to popular belief SGI were actually responsible for designing almost all of the N64's "core" hardware. MIPS were no doubt chosen as a CPU provider for the console because SGI wanted to make extra money indirectly.
RDRAM was chosen as the RAM for the N64 because SGI had purchased a lot of shares in Rambus and wanted their share price to go up. While the MIPS CPU was a good choice for the N64, I think the RDRAM was a bit of a mistake - the decision was clearly driven by SGI's greed as opposed to maximizing performance (it is difficult to optimize performance on RDRAM due to its high latency). Nintendo didn't financially suffer though - SGI managed to arrange a discount on the typically expensive RDRAM to Nintendo at prices that made it equal to other RAM.
>>3337834
Save ram
The out of reach grabber
>>3338763
Your views of technology are purely anecdotal. Moore's Law was continuing at the same pace in the late 80s as it was in the early 90s and it was in the late 90s.
> A PC from 1993 was hopelessly antiquated by 1999 and nothing out by then would run on it
I totally disagree with this. Windows 98 SE which was the latest operating system at the time still officially supported 486 systems. Yes, virtually everything would have run slow as shit, but it would have worked. Pretty much exactly like a 1983 PC running 1989 software. Probably more favorable to the 486, even.
>>3338761
That gave me good keks too.
>>3338782
>Pretty much exactly like a 1983 PC running 1989 software
Absolutely not. You look at typical software out in 89 and mostly it would require any PC with at least 512k of RAM and a graphics card. Very few software packages other than some high end business stuff needed a 286/386 to run.
Almost any software out in 1999 required a Pentium/Pentium II and at least 32MB of RAM. Most 1993-era motherboards couldn't even accommodate that much memory. Also the stuff out then all required Windows 95 and would not have run on 1993-vintage DOS/Windows 3.x.
>>3338728
I've played enough of it to know that Sega could have done great things with it. They could have used animated cutscenes to supplement gameplay as opposed to the cutscenes just being the games themselves, pipe in some delicious CD quality audio and even release soundtrack discs to enhance cartridge based titles like I've seen a few homebrewers do, and maybe just add in more levels and content in general because there was just so much more storage. The only hardware flaw I know of is the loading times but then again that was inherent in the medium and PS1 had those out the ass too. What I see is wasted potential and what could have been if Nintendo made their superdisc and Sega was forced to compete with it.
>>3338756
Maybe they should have used a style of game that doesn't require speed. Like a puzzle game or an RPG.
They're the first and only company to have consistently decent franchises
>>3338796
>Almost any software out in 1999 required a Pentium/Pentium II and at least 32MB of RAM
Office 97 only needs 8 MB of RAM and a 486. Office 2000 needs 20 MB of RAM and they upped the minimum requirement to a Pentium 1 (although I bet a 486 would still work).
>>3338796
Now, the original IBM XT...you only needed to upgrade the RAM and possibly install an NEC V20 and it was able to run about 90% of PC software made up to 1990. There was no way you're coaxing a 486 from 1993 to run anything out in 1999.
>>3338817
>Office 2000 needs 20 MB of RAM and they upped the minimum requirement to a Pentium 1 (although I bet a 486 would still work)
Even if you could get that to run on a 33Mhz 486, it would be slow enough to the point of being unusable.
