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This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.
Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories
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So i'm in a bit of a pickle here
I currently play my ps1 light gun games on a ps2 connected to my pvm with component cables. The guncon one has the composite splitter built into the cable, so you just plug it into the where your green component cable would go and then plug in the actual green component cable to piggy back off that. That's how you get sync and it all just works nicely.
However, I bought two guncon 2's lately and they both lack the Y splitter on the cable, leaving just the yellow composite plug and a usb cable. I can't find the specific Y-Splitter anywhere on ebay or trading sites. Has anyone had any luck using a off the shelf Y-splitter in it's place?
>>3309112
Here's the splitter that you need.
>>3309078
Well, Uh, I'm going to take advantage of this rare opportunity even if you children aren't interested. Which do you think is more important-- Color convergence or Color purity?
>>3309117
convergence! i have a corner on my BVM where the colors are a little off, and i usually forget about it, but when convergence is bad, it kills me
FREE TUBE 27 INCH TV FOR ANYONE IN THE CHICAGOLAND AREA
Does S-Video & Composite. Someone take this thing before I get it recycled.
How well do BVMs and monitors like them hold up to heat?
My place isn't air conditioned and it gets up to ~90° F in the summer.
>>3309435
i dunno man
my BVM gets painfully hot to the touch on its heatsinks
>>3309112
Does your component cord have a composite yellow as well as RGB component and RW audio? I plug my gun cons into the yellow that isn't even hooked up to my tv with (picture related)
I have tried with S-video as well. The yellow composite IS NOT plugged into the tv but the guncons are. They function fine.
>>3309448
Actually the cord I linked needs these adapters also... I just looked. I went with the above cords for other reasons then re purposed them for my gun cons with these rca ro rca interconnectors.
Some one mentioned last bred about pc going to a component tv.
Anyone have their 15khz dvi-i pc going to a component tv? What connection method did you use to get 240p and 480i?
I have AMD gpu capable of 240p right now. Just no way to adapt it into component. Some people said Scart was no lag compared to vga to component.
>>3309484
You don't want scart anything when it comes to transcoders and the like. Anything with scart is a red flag for shit quality.
Transcoders have no lag. A VGA to Component would be best if that's what you want. A good American one like the Audio Authority 9A60A. Unfortunately no one makes these trancoders anymore so you're stuck with new old stock.
Chink transcoders and anything with SCART would be lucky to support SMPTE and VESA standards.
so you guys know that a 14" CRT is better than a 20", right? Like, an image that small obviously looks better with less magnification. when you blow a 224p image up to 20"+ that's what introduces artifacts. you don't even need S-video or higher at small resolutions, it looks good on its own.
>>3309493
The 9A60A doesn't seem to do 480i and 240p. At least what their website says. The last thread someone said scart to component was the best way to get 240p to a tv.
With a 240p 15khz pc can I use the 9A60A and turn dvi-i to vga to component?
>>3309497
This is actually an issue with PVMs as well. Some specifically look better because their small screen size compared to larger consumer sets. I have personally seen a few PVMs that looked about as bad if not worse than an equally sized bubble CRTs.
Personally I do notice quality difference in cords as small as 10 inches. Usually with the scan lines.
>>3309502
9A60A supports 480i.
>The last thread someone said scart
Anyone recommending scart anything is an idiot to say the least.
>dvi-i to vga
If it's supported.
>>3309571
That person wants 240p. Scart is the best option. You just said it supports 480i, which isn't 240p.
>>3309589
>That person wants 240p. Scart is the best option.
No transcoder worth a damn uses scart.
>You just said it supports 480i, which isn't 240p.
Man you must be smart.
N64 Through S-Video
>>3308978
Holy shit that's a thing?
>>3309604
This box has been the recommendation for 5+ years now. VGA to Scart to that box to tv with component. I am sure thousands if not tens of thousands of people all over the internet were wrong. From private forums to invite only warez.
Care to tell me how YOU would hook up a DVI-I 15khz pc to a component tv? From DVI-I to tv.
>>3309606
>Holy shit that's a thing?
Yeah, depending on the age range you set your save file as initially, once you collect all gold gems you'll get a differenthuman form marina ending.
Next time you play it, which you inevitably will, set it to the opposite range. Don't spoil yourself by looking it up. Shake shake on my fellow anon.
Pic related is Rakugaki Showtime Marina.
>>3309629
That is scart to component.
>VGA to Scart to that box to tv with component.
Full fucking retard.
>CSY-2100
Ok at best. Doesn't support SMPTE. Color correctness out the window.
The clones are ultra shit. Which is what 99% of people talk about and use when talking about the CSY-2100.
Threadly reminder not to fall for the SCART meme.
>>3309507
It's pasta. Please don't take it seriously.
THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING VIDEO GAMES ABOUT THIS FUCKING THREAD
Reasking in this thread since it most likely will be missed being at the end of the other thread.
Question about a/v receivers, Would the C signal of Y/C s-video transmit properly over the pb/pr inputs of component?
pb/pr is .7vp-p
c is .286vp-p
if anyone has the ability to test this for me id be very appreciative of them. Thanks.
>>3309645
> Says someone that has never used scart.
>>3309589
480i is 240p
>>3309692
I am trying to bait that person. I want this kid to explain how he expects his setup to be better than the option I previously explained.
>>3309715
You have replied with non context answers time and time again. You constantly refer to retard (home problems kid?).
15khz DVI-I to component tv. Can't make it any dumber. I wan't an intelligent answer so I can see why you keep recommending the 9a60 or 9a60a.
>>3309723
>non context answers
Saying it supports 480i is non context? You are a fucking retard to say the least.
Still no idea what you're asking. Is DVI capable of supporting 240? Nothing to say it can't. Depends entirely on the hardware.
>>3309727
I see you still avoided the question.
15khz DVI-I to component tv.
>>3309749
>I see you still avoided the question.
WHAT QUESTION?
>15khz DVI-I to component tv.
Is not a question you fucking idiot.
>>3309752
Just because you cannot answer it doesn't mean it isn't a question.
15khz DCI-I to component tv.
To dumb it down more for you. How would you connect 15khz DVI-I pc to a component only tv.
>>3309752
You have yet to be right about anything. Can you answer the fucking question if you know the answer you autism cuck faggot.
>>3309761
He will never answer you because he simple doesn't know. He is one of many that read or heard something long ago, that never properly understood it and propagated the incorrect information.
>>3309761
>Just because you cannot answer it doesn't mean it isn't a question.
A question ends with (?) you fucking idiot.
>15khz DVI-I to component tv.
Looks like a chain to me. Good job you want from DVI to component to TV. There's no question there.
>How would you connect 15khz DVI-I pc to a component only tv.
Horrible fucking grammar. But at least it's more like a question now. At least I can understand it as a question.
Assuming the hardware supports DVI to VGA I would just use a 9A60A tanscoder. Think I said this already.
>You have yet to be right about anything. Can you answer the fucking question if you know the answer you autism cuck faggot.
>cuck faggot
I figured you were foreign or something. But now I'm leaning towards severely underage.
>>3309767
I actually use this shit. Own a 9A60A currently but used in a different chain.
>>3309786
>as if that matter from pc to tv.
It does matter if you want to output correct resolutions.
>>3309780
You are the autism that is wrong with vr. Get the fuck off this board and go to Reddit.
>>3309780
You keep attempting insults kid. You keep on acting like you know and you have yet to provide any intelligent reply. Going as far as greetext.
A question doesn't need to have a question mark at the end when it is reference a previously asked (albeit for you too in depth) question.
Still awaiting the reply.
>>3309814
Kek. He thinks he answered something.
>>3309814
>answered it
No it wasn't answered you fucking idiot. Where the fuck did you answer the question.
>Anyone have their 15khz dvi-i pc going to a component tv? What connection method did you use to get 240p and 480i?
>I have AMD gpu capable of 240p right now. Just no way to adapt it into component. Some people said Scart was no lag compared to vga to component
See all of that you autistic retarded fucking cuck. Get over it, you can't answer it and fucked up long ago.
>>3309819
/vr/ the thread. Person asks question that never gets answered but someone who spouts idiotic nonsense acts like it was.
>Anyone have their 15khz dvi-i pc going to a component tv? What connection method did you use to get 240p and 480i?
I love how that one converter box is all you need in your sub-mongoloid theory of how that setup works.
>>3309824
Stop replying to him. He doesn't know and maybe someone that does will chime in.
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>>3309684
>>3309696
>>3309723
>>3309749
>>3309761
>>3309763
>>3309797
>>3309798
Mods get in here and clean up this mess please
the fucking insanity ive stumbled upon jesus christ
>>3309696
why? just get on with your life this anon did nothing to you and you sperg out
get out of this thread with your immaturity
>>3309827
Kek. Now he's acting like someone else. Mods ban this jew.
>>3309827
Stop it kid. You don't know the fucking answer and you can post as an unrelated party all you want. Awaiting answer to question still.
>>3309827
Self portrait? Nice!!!
>>3309827
tfw more people disagree with you than you have friends.
So um... what cheap crt should I get to play retro games on?
>>3309837
Ok, what was the answer. I scanned every autistic comment and have yet to see how you explained a DVI-I to component tv connection.
You can't call people children when you are a child yourself. Stop being upset and answer the question so we can make fun of your ass for getting it wrong.
>>3309851
Not repeating myself. Read my post. Answered it awhile back.
>>3309849
Literally anything.
>>3309662
subtract the television from the equation of game playing...what are you doing?.... not playing a video-game. an N64 on an LED display is ligit not a good an experience, snes has noticeable delays in button presses. even worse the NES. have you ever tried to use an LED display for an atari 2800? it doesnt work ( this is retro vidya right?) so here's your- (you). sweaty try hard.
what does this thread think of that Phonedork guy on youtube? He basically talks about nothing but this thread.
>>3309849
RCA/ SONY / NEC / Olympus stick with those brands and you wont regret it.
the /v/ is strong today
>>3309887
Thanks buddy.
god damn, XC37c is one sync-picky sonuva
>doesn't accept MD sync (from rgb bypass)
>doesn't accept fr SMS sync
>doesn't accept NESRGB CS#
>doesn't accept NESRGB composite
>doesn't accept SNES Luma-as -sync
>doesn't accept PS2 Luma-as-sync
However, once an LM1881 is on the way, it'll happily display anything...
>>3309645
This. I fell for the SCART meme a few years ago. My dad walked in on me using inferior picture quality than what was readily available. Ended up in the loony bin for a couple months. When I finally got out I decided to set up a treatment center, where SCART victims could open up and describe their experience, how they were memed etc. I've been on the straight and narrow for just over a year now, and I cherish every SCARTless day like it was my last.
SCART cables. Not even once.
>>3310005
I could have told you that.
Odd that csync from the nesrgb doesn't work though.
If you just want to test something out, YPbPr from the PS2 will be seen as RGsB, and putting it into RGB mode will actually make the system output RGsB for 480p stuff.
I personally have my SNES mini modified to output csync on the cvid pin, which does work.
>>3309078
are there any mexicans itt by any chance? I'm a long time lurker and man, I just wanna get a PVM. International shipping is a bitch with TVs this heavy, and I only see people selling their PVMs on craiglist but they all live in the US. jdimsa
>>3310319
What part of mexico?
>>3310334
Monterrey, Nuevo León
>>3310349
That's a big city. You may find someone selling it nearby on mercadolibre but it has a shady reputation. I found one in a tianguis in a much smaller city so you can try looking around there.
>>3310359
>I found one in a tianguis
wat. you must be lucky, I mean what are the possibilities of finding people selling such monitors in there? or how come do those monitors end up in a tianguis?
I was thinking of going to some places where they do live tv broadcasts, maybe they have some BVMs in the closet who knows.
>>3310376
>wat. you must be lucky,
Not that lucky. I bought it cheap but it was abused as a security monitor so it has some burn-in. I know heard of someone else that found another one in a tianguis in Hermosillo.
>or how come do those monitors end up in a tianguis?
Mine was because a gringo wanted to get rid of it and gave it to the guy who sold it to me.
>I was thinking of going to some places where they do live tv broadcasts, maybe they have some BVMs in the closet who knows.
That may work in Monterrey because it is a large city with several stations.
>>3309668
If it just acts as a dumb switch, I don't see any problem with it working correctly.
If the receiver actively reads said inputs and does some sort of internal processing, even if only for itself and not on the output side, it may depend on the receiver. If it auto switches, I would think it would detect that via Y, so that wouldn't be an issue.
>>3309884
Phonedork is pretty cool. The videos have a decent amount of research put into them and presented in a straight forward, uncomplicated manner. They shouldn't be taken as absolutes and 100% correct on some subjects, as there's always going to be subjective comments mixed in(which he even states quite often) and you're going to get something that isn't entirely true or not the whole picture every once in a while.
I prefer the occasional video he puts out to the "My Life in Gaming" shit that keeps floating around, even if they have different aims and audiences.
>>3309878
>2800
>>3310492
>even if they have different aims and audiences.
Aim is the same. Different audience.
>>3310492
My worry was the C voltage was too low to be picked up and pass throughed properly by either of the Pb/Pr lines.
Cause i have an Inline switch for my RGB consoles and it didnt like having composite video as sync going through the sync board. I had to rig it up through one of the other RGB lines in order for it to transmit through properly.
I was asking because Im shopping for one but finding it hard to decide which to buy. Id love to be able to just buy 1 and use it for everything from my retro setup and my modern setup. Because most higher end ones have dual zones so i can use it for both simultaneously.
But in order to have S-video natively on the receiver id have to sacrifice being able to have the receiver ready for 4k 60hz.
The hdmi revisions were too far apart so receivers with s-video depending on brand do have 4k but 30hz maximum.
Sorry for the non retro side of this but its necessary to explain my specific needs in an a/v receiver.
How can I center the image horozontally on my PVM 20M2MDU? It's about two pixels too far on the left and it's killing me.
Toot toot...anti-PVM train rolling through. Friendly reminder that retro games were meant to be played on retro consumer grade sets and you can find them for $0-$50 easily...toot toot
>>3310847
Congrats. You won the most 3rd world pic on /vr/.
You did it!
So I played around for a couple of hours with the service menu on my LG Flatron CRT. Since it's one of those flat consumer sets the factory settings looked like shit, and even with tweaking there wasn't a lot able to be done to save it but it turned out better than expected.
The convergence is much better though it's a bit tighter around the middle area as expected, and the scan lines are much sharper. I also calibrated the colour and I'm pretty satisfied with how it turned out.
It's no PVM, but it's the best I've got.
>>3311010
PVMs and BVMs are just as fucked if not more so.
>>3311010
In the previous picture the screen doesn't converge completely in the top and bottom parts of the screen because I'm using the genesis 240p suite. For true 240p games it takes up the entire visible area.
I'm using component input from my ps2 to play most of my games. PSX games look amazing, games like dodonpachi make me want to tate the heavy beast but I don't have a way to safely prop it up. Here's a close up of sotn.
>>3311015
And lastly Gradius V with the 240p and fmv hack. The game was basically designed for 240p. Beautiful crisp lines with the laser and the interface fits perfectly in the resolution with no cut text from scaling. The space scenes look beautiful with the stars shifting across a progressive line.
Forgive the shit quality of my phone camera.
>>3310847
did you take this with your webcam?
>>3310847
>facebook open on one tab
>4chan open on another
fuck off normalfag
While I love owning a CRT TV I feel that owning a CRT VGA Monitor is pointless. Most PC games that are worth playing have workarounds for the low resolution and I haven't found that many PC games I like enough to justify keeping this monitor.
What do you guys think? Do you own both or what?
>>3309435
there will be a listed maximum operating temperature in the documentation for your monitor, probably.
I used my 20L5 in a non-air-conditioned dorm and it worked fine, but I've heard the BVMs are way worse in terms of heat generated.
>>3309493
>Chink transcoders and anything with SCART would be lucky to support SMPTE and VESA standards.
VESA timings are only important for PC monitors. And if the converter is a "passive" one in the sense of not containing a framebuffer or RAM, it will follow the source's timings.
Also, still curious which SMPTE and VESA standards you think you're talking about. Because that sounds like BS to my ear.
>>3309668
Itt won't work. Not properly, anyway. The YCbCr color space is different than the YIQ color space. I'm not even sure summing the Pb+Pr signals would give you color anyway, since I haveen't tried it, but if there is miraculously color, it will be in the wrong color space.
>>3310847
toot-toot, my non-pvm broadcast monitor has better convergence than consumer crap and was free... toot-toot.
But yeah, I prefer consumer TVs once you hit around 20 inches and have more blank black space than lit phosphors.
>>3311375
I love your monitor, seriously and I can dig an FC, but clean your desk up jesus christ. Also, buy a copy of sweet home.
>>3311027
he took it with an iphone. thus 'image.jpg'.
every image you ever upload from an iphone will be converted to a jpeg and named 'image.jpg', because iOS is literally Stalin. (controls markets with absolute power and removes any app Apple doesn't approve of).
I speak from experience.
>>3311382
That pic's from december.
I was just finished modding tgr''he famicom when I took this and the supplies were still out.
>>3311383
ah, nvm, it is a webcam pic. But uploaded from iShit.
>>3311375
and I forgot to mention that the HV regulation on consumer CRTs sucks too. Convergence is typically totally fixable if:
1) your yoke isn't permanently fixed on the tube (common on cheapest sets; be wary of these if you are importing from the other hemisphere)
2) you have convergence strips
3) your CRT isn't one of those "low profile" ones like my toshiba unfortunately is.
>>3309645
Here's your (you):
Only bad thing with SCART is audio buzz. PQ is alright. It's not going to become much better because you mod in BNC plugs in your console.
>>3311398
>>3311412
The other problems with SCART (outside europe and maaaybe australia if you have an uncommon SCART set there) are high price, practically no new availability (not manufactured anymore it seems), lack of equipment that actually _uses_ SCART for RGB, forcing you to buy SCART cables for all your systems and then buy adaptors so you can actually use the SCART cables on your sets, defeating the point of SCART in the first place (convenience).
Also decent SCART switchers are expensive as fuck.
Still, a valid option in europe.
>>3311435
Marginally better exposure
last pic for a little while.
One more thing.
Wanna work yourself into a rage?
http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/general-lets-talk-business/10329-how-remove-yoke-from-tv-without-breaking-glass.html
By the end of the thread people are suggesting using sledgehammers to break the glass. Scrappers are the WORST. One got a PC jr. near me and wanted me to pay him $130 for him to not scrap it for the gold in the cartridge slot. I had to leave knowing full well he was destroying history.
>>3311427
>no new availability
It's still being manufactured. In an electronics store in Japan I could even buy the connector as a component. Granted it was kind of expensive (cheaper getting cables and using those connectors).
I bet if you where in Shenzhen or something you could get them super cheap though. In fact the main problem here, if you should wish to make your own cable, is that it's hard to get hold of Multi-AV connectors and such for systems that use proprietary versions, solderable SCART connectors are a lot easier to come by.
>decent scart switchers are expensive as fuck
Picture related is about 5-10 bucks. As long as you get something fully wired with manual switches, you're golden.
Sure the automatic switches and such are expensive as fuck, but who needs that? Just get off your arse and hit the button.
Mine had the added (mis)feature(?) of turning RGB on for all inserted SCART connectors even if only one actually had it. Turned out to be useful with one of my mis-wired SCART cables (I guess it was wired for RGB monitors because they forgot about the blanking pin, which is important if you're using it on a SCART TV). Still no PQ problems or otherwise. My only gripe is it doesn't have more connections. The RCA break-out jacks also come in very handy for wiring up audio, or the odd SCART-composite-thingamajig (e.g. my VCR) to something that will only accept RCA (like the framemeister).
>adapters are inconvenient
Still more convenient than modding in RCA outlets in your system, and I say that as someone capable of doing it, but I just can't be arsed to because the gain of doing it is too small.
Sure I'll grant using S-Video (still stuck in NTSC colorspace, lol) will be more convenient, but then why did you get an RGB monitor to begin with?
>>3311459
This picture related scart-switch is also dirt-cheap and looks reasonable. Haven't used it myself though, but am thinking of getting one for daisy-chaining with.
>>3311459
>>3311495
And yes, I do kind of wish that cable makers would clue up and make RGBs Multi-AV to RCA or Multi-AV to BNC, but those would probably be at least as expensive, if not more than those expensive SCART cables you like to whine about. Especially since the only people I think would get this idea would be the more "luxurious" (for lack of a better word) cable makers. The chinky-chink RGB scart cable makers (whose cables are pretty cheap on ebay, btw, but be prepared you need to fix them up yourself a bit, they might forget the blanking pin and such if you want to use a SCART TV that cares about that) probably won't clue up to that any time soon.
I stopped coming to these threads long ago, even after filtering 20L5 guy. It's just the same shit over and over again. Blurry monitor pics, 20L5 guy getting butt-frustrated over the mere existence of SCART, and people asking the same questions over and over.
I suppose that's really the best purpose for these threads, for new enthusiasts to get up to speed and to get help hunting down their ideal CRT. Once you actually have one, you may as well just go play instead of wasting your time here.
>>3311459
>I say that as someone capable of doing it, but I just can't be arsed to because the gain of doing it is too small.
This. I put a lot of thought into it, but then the issue was you end up with this fucking mess of wires for each system, and no straightforward method of switching systems besides just manually swapping plugs. Ask 20L5 guy to post pictures of his switch setup. It's the most stupidly convoluted thing I've ever seen, all for the sake of saving some money and being smug about it.
I used to just swap my SCART cables by hand, but recently I ended up shelling out way to much money for this thing I read about on RetroRGB. Custom built by some guy who probably overcharged for it, but it comes with a built-in sync stripper, and a VGA out and separate audio out jack, which is pretty damn convenient. Best of all, it switches automatically when you power on a system.
It cost a ridiculous $200, but you know what? I've got a fucking job, and I pay thousands in taxes, insurance and bills that I get fucking nothing back from every year. Why should I have any trepidation about spending $200 on a magic box that I use almost every day and makes my favorite hobby super-convenient?
>>3311523
>I pay thousands in taxes
Lol what a fgt
>>3311523
That switch there is way too expensive for me, though. I'm thinking if I go into that price class I'll instead go for one of those extron switches, because they can do matrix switching. I guess it will be somewhat more of a mess though, and I'd need a whole lot of BNC-SCART converters though. Either that or I build me some Multi-AV to BNC-cables.
Also auto-switching only means I can't have several systems on at once and switch between them (or can it do that, somehow?).
Right now I'm in the middle-land of swapping around cables because I have too many systems for my 3-port switch. I guess daisy-chaining is the cheapest way of expansion for now.
Also I route composite signals through my SCART switch for Famicom and VCR, so I'd need something that could optionally turn sync switching off. I've even gone and bought patch-length BNC cables to route from Line A/B to Ext sync on my PVMs, so I only need to switch the channel to use composite (almost as convenient as a SCART TV, which will do the switching for you)
I guess manual switches + switchable sync stripper is what I need.
>>3311543
>sync switching
sync stripping
>>3311523
Problem with 20-L5 guy is that he's actually helpful when he's not being a smug ass about free monitors, SCART, or whatever.
I liked it better when he was anon so I could imagine he was several persons.
And to change the subject.
My PVM-14N2E, which in some respects is better than my PVM-14-L4 has this problem:
I'm betting it's HV related. Is it fixable. Will I die fixing it? Will I only die slightly? It'd be really neat to fix.
Apart from that the geometry is also somewhat shot. It used to be even worse but I messed with it and it became somewhat better, however ended up introducing other idiosyncracies.
The lower TVL makes it look more like a consumer TV, and helps hide imperfections in the video, and the sharpening options (hidden in the service menu) make anime and games and other things with black outlines look great.
The sharpening option I'm using looks like it's only sharpening dark things, so it doesn't look nearly as bad as your typical sharpening (e.g. framemeister) that gives lots of ringing etc.
It'd be cool to get some sort of external processor to do stuff like that independently of the monitor too. Been thinking about that since I got my LD player (esp. since my player is pretty noisy).
>>3311542
>Also auto-switching only means I can't have several systems on at once and switch between them (or can it do that, somehow?).
Not really, no. Why would you want to, though? I mean, I guess I can imagine a scenario where it would be handy, but I've never wanted or needed to. The switch automatically takes whichever system was powered on most recently.
>>3311551
He's helpful, but it's usually not worth it. I can often find similar info with a google search.
>>3311575
If you leave a system on, because the game lacks saves, but you want to switch to playing something else. I like zapping between games sometimes.
The auto-switching part makes it barely better than one of those switchless things, that just mix everything together, for me personally. Those work fine, as long as you only have one system on at a time. (Although I have heard that sometimes wierd things like one system back-powering another may happen).
>>3311459
You're gonna be getting some ghosting on that switch, probably. At the very least a marked decrease in quality.
I should clarify that __unless you live in japan or china__, which I am assuming most of us don't, you're not going to find new SCART sockets of both genders (referring to the connector, not prebuilt cables). Also, in Japan the cables won't be electrically compatible with SCART.
Digikey and mouser have nothing promising.
The mis-wiring of cables/switches and the fact that the SCART standard uses composite video as sync means that SCART leaves a lot to be desired.
>>3311516
They would not be more expensive than the SCART cables because you wouldn't have to buy a SCART cable and separate cable to actually use the first cable you bought.
>>3311523
when a pro 6x2 switcher costs around 150, 200 is way too much for that kind of thing.
I have a 9x1 (or 8x2, haven't decided yet) project in my mind, will probably be kinda ghetto and time consuming, but that what home projects are about, right ?
>>3311523
You really don't like me do you?
>>3311593
> probably
indeed. Probably.
>>3311523
note that your toggle switch costs more than I've spent on my entire setup.
I bet you've got all apple products. Sorry if that's wrong, but it sounds like the right type of person to me. I'm ashamed to admit I've got close family members that would buy a Mac Pro with two CPUs and use it for sorting photos.
>>3311593
>SCART leaves a lot to be desired
Except it doesn't. All of the downsides of SCART that you keep harping on are really only issues if you buy cheap-ass cables. And there is literally nothing wrong with sync from composite, even without a stripper. I've never had a sync issue at all on a PVM or through an upscaler.
>>3311624
I don't like self-righteous assholes. So no. Do what you do, and let others do what they do. Stop acting like your way is 100%, undeniably the "right" way, you Volvo-driving faggot.
>>3311626
I mean to say I'd have used a KVM switch instead, since those are designed with very high frequency video in mind. They'd be more predictable and considerably cheaper for the quality provided. Especially since you could ditch SCART.
>>3311638
stop assuming, start proving.
>>3311635
>note that your toggle switch costs more than I've spent on my entire setup.
And why should I care?
>I bet you've got all apple products
Not a single one.
>>3311635
>too cheap to get 4 220 caps locally
>too impatient to order 100 for $1
>>3311551
>Problem with 20-L5 guy is that he's actually helpful when he's not being a smug ass about free monitors, SCART, or whatever.
>I liked it better when he was anon so I could imagine he was several persons.
Yeah, I kind of liked that too. But that meant I got blame for the smart-ass bits and not associated with the help I was also giving. It gave rise to people like >>3311523 having me to scapegoat.
>>3311647
>Not a single one.
Although I will admit to being a bit of a Sony-fag. Growing up, all of my electronics were Sony, and I really liked them and never had any problem with them, so now I'm a bit of a loyalist. Yet I was never a big fan of the Playstation...
>>3311652
>But that meant I got blame for the smart-ass bits and not associated with the help I was also giving.
The fact that you give a shit is what makes you such a tremendous faggot.
>>3311648
I don't like driving across town when I have the supplies on hand, sorry.
>>3311663
>too lazy to walk/bike
unsurprisingly
>>3309435
That screen looks nice as hell.
What is it? And how bad is the heat? Anyway to mitigate it without making it look like shit?
>>3311663
So you don't like doing things right, is what you're saying?
>>3309497
>my wife/gf wouldn't let me bring a 20" CRT into the house
>>3311593
nah, not much ghosting. definitely no marked decrease in quality. I could barely tell when I tried with and without before. I think I get more ghosting from my long cable runs, and only at the end of that (1m scart from console, 3m scart to first pvm, 3m BNC from first PVM to second).
>>3311638
>since you could ditch scart
you mean
>you have to make custom RGBs to VGA-adapters for everything
pretty much the reason I'm not using a KVM switch right now, can't be arsed to make special cables most of the time.
>>3311593
>you're not going to find new SCART sockets of both genders (referring to the connector, not prebuilt cables).
Even in Japan, getting the prebuilt cable for the socket only is still cheaper, so w/e. Still much easier and cheaper to find then a fully populated multi-av-connector you can solder to. Scart connectors unscrew, you know. They're easy maintenance.
>They would not be more expensive than the SCART cables because you wouldn't have to buy a SCART cable and separate cable to actually use the first cable you bought.
Big deal, so your first cable costs 2 cables' worth, then after the startup there's no big diff.
I bet yo the sellers would find some "high quality" screw to multi-av to BNC cables if they did them to raise the price...
Meanwhile you can get cheap-ass china SCART cables, if you're willing to compromise.
>>3311565
Any help with unsquiggling? Anybody unsquigglified their monitor before?
It's the good old brighter == wider phenomenon just rather extreme.
>>3311874
>cheap-ass china SCART cables
At that point, just go s-video. Cheap cables are the ones that start introducing all kinds of issues. Surprising, I know.
>>3311889
That's why I said, if you're willing to compromise. if you want good cables you have to pay a little bit more of course.
Then, I've been lucky with cheap-ass china cables also. they're not all bad.
In fact, I've had much worse luck with S-Video cables. Shitty S-Video cables really destroy the picture, while with shitty RGB cables it's usually not too bad. Maybe some buzzing and some ghosting at most.
At least for SCART there is gscartsw switch you can purchase, and price is reasonable. Meanwhile Extron RGB switches cost like 400 USD just to ship. Unless you live in the US of course.
>>3311662
>yet I was never a fan of the playstation...
I respect that. I have some 80s sony audio gear that I like, but between suing George Hotz for using the PS3 as a proper computer and the time Sony put a rootkit on its audio CDs in the name of preventing piracy, I no longer respect Sony.
>>3311885
You will have to improve high voltage regulation - Sorry, I have no idea how that's done. That's the main reason I like pro monitors, not the line count, but the HV regulation.
>>3311950
Yeah... I really wish we had TV repairmen here in Europe, they're practically inexistent here. While in the US you seem to get people that still gladly fix old CRTs.
>>3311973
Thankfully there does for now seem to be an old guard of repairmen and shops who were servicing TVs since before flat panels took over and have the knowledge and equipment to work with CRTs. I don't know if it'll last though, as they grow old and retire you'll probably be hard pressed to find TV repairmen here at all since it's become much more commonplace to replace TVs instead of having them repaired.
>>3311980
Meanwhile in Europe we've basically been replacing them since like forever.
>>3309078
is this an ideal setup? someone on facebook posted this and I might be looking to set up a similiar one if it is.
>>3311358
Dreamcast for example. Other examples also but that's the "big one".
>>3311523
>I'm lazy so I use garabge cables
Honest about it I guess, so that's something.
>>3311919
JP21 has had excellent switch boxes since the 90s.
Extron matrix switches are dirt cheap if you're not 3rd world. Only issue is sound input.
>>3311859
>I could barely tell when I tried with and without before
If you can tell any difference at all whatsoever then your switch is shit
>>3311997
>TV as a computer monitor.
fucking sick
So when can we fuck scart off? Why aren't more people making Component cables for retro consoles since they are still pretty universal on all modern tv's and every region. At least the retrovison guys are trying but I think they only make a Snes and Genesis cable at the moment.
>>3312074
Costs money. No good cable stock for it either. Unless you just want generic RCA cable.
The issue of the console connectors also.
So unless you want to do destructive mods the best bet is mini coax with JP21. For the cable lengths that 99% of enthusiasts use it doesn't matter much as long as they're some kind of coax. Sub like 10ft you wont see or hear a difference between some decent no name coax and any Belden or Canare solution. Assuming everything is wired up correctly. You couldn't use those cable either without destructive mods for some consoles. And the console they could fit it would be pointless to go that far out of your way and not use cables that were terminated on BOTH ends with 75ohm connectors.
Really the best thing you can do is dump scart if you're using some premade solution. Getting rid of the power wire is the biggest upgrade you could do for your cables before buying brand new cables.
>>3311896
>that's why I said, if you're willing to compromise. if you want good cables you have to pay a little bit more of course.
then, I've been lucky with cheap-ass china cables also. they're not all bad.
why was this deleted?
>mfw I finally find a Trinitron VGA monitor at the local dump
>mfw I turn it around and realize that someone has cut off the VGA cable.
Fucking scrappers.
>>3312119
The VGA Cable or the VGA Input?
>>3312119
If it had a captive cable it wasprobably crap anyhow.
Scrappers are still utter junkie cuntflaps though. Fuck them.
>>3312276
nah that isnt a crap indicator
>>3311593
>>3311859
>>3311459
I also have one of those switches.
I don't see any visual drop in quality, but boy does it make any audio buzzing considerably worse.
>>3311543
>route from Line A/B to Ext sync on my PVMs, so I only need to switch the channel to use composite (almost as convenient as a SCART TV, which will do the switching for you)
I was doing something like that for my SNES for a minute, but stopped because the only sensibly sized RCA cable I had laying around is completely shit and was giving weird grounding issues if there wasn't a system turned on and sending a signal through.
>>3311365
What? Youve lost me. Im simply asking if I could use the YPbPr inputs as a passthrough for Y/C my concern was the voltage differences in the too signals such that the voltage of C is much lower than Pb/Pr so it may not pick up the signal properly. If the A/V receiver does any processing to the signal i realize this wouldnt work, but if its just a straight passthrough from input to output it possibly would if the signal voltage of C isnt too low for the Pb/Pr to transmit.
>>3312331
In addendum forgot to say the output from the a/v receiver would then input to an s-video Y/C input on the tv of my choosing.
Im not trying to put s-video into a component input on a tv.
>>3312319
yeah, I've figured the switch was partly at fault for that. still, I'd rather have it than not. recently I've tried routing the sound from the break-out RCA port instead, it's slightly better.
>>3312074
If you're meaning YPbPr by component almost no consoles pre 6th gen has that, you'd need transcoding which would increase price by a whole lot.
Unless you mean RGBs component, which I also wonder why it doesn't exist premade. Would make a lot of sense the day I finally get an extron switch. For now SCART works OK.
>>3311398
Who gives a shit?
>>3311565
That's unlikely to be HV, probably either a cap issue or less likely a grounding issue. And a PVM certainly isn't the easiest place to start when it comes to CRT repair. If you're desperate, try replacing all the electrolytics in the horizontal output section first, and see what happens. Get the service manual and figure out which sections are the horizontal bits, and read the cap values off the parts list.
As for dying, just make sure you know how to discharge the set properly before doing anything.
>>3312074
>Component cables for retro consoles since they are still pretty universal on all modern tv's and every region
Yeah, only for an LCD you'll find that component makes little to no difference over composite at 240p/480i. Maybe with some sort of upscaler in it... which would fuck /crt/ over yet again :)
>>3311719
http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1258035746
>>3311997
>Left side set up USKOC
>A fucking X Arcade controller
I bet this fag lord also has a Desktop Arcade Popn controller.
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/zip/5650350839.html
Found this Mitsubishi model CS-31205 near by, wondering if anyone knows about quality on these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6QPWUoOP3g
that came up with a google search, pretty horrifying imo
>>3313156
That thing is fucking massive. It'll probably weigh over 100kg. If you pick it up be sure to bring some strong mates.
From the video looks like it only has composite and svideo input with no rgb or component option but you won't find much else that size around so if it's the size you like then go for it. S video can still look decent.
>>3313171
thanks for the input, there are usually a lot of nice sets available in my area, and I already have a 14 inch pvm for singleplayer stuff so Im just kinda waiting for a "perfect" larger tv since I am in no hurry
I also found this http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/zip/5649036333.html
they havent told me the model number yet but I think by the pictures its 40-45 inches, which is fucking enormous. My family had one that size years ago and to get it up and down the stairs we had to use a dolly designed for moving refrigerators. Probably not happening again :(
>>3311734
>I
lmao
>>3312025
That's what I meant, I couldn't tell the difference.
Why do you have to interpret it so literally?
>>3309078
Well shit. First time I've ever heard a capacitor POP and hiss and kill my tv. Watch out for cheapo knock off brand vcr small tv. I was gonna watch some vhs tapes on it but now its ded. rip
>>3313238
>First time I've ever heard a capacitor POP and hiss and kill my tv.
Try replacing it.
>>3313242
I guess but what a pain in my ass.
So I'm looking at getting a component video switch because I'm tired of fumbling behind the TV to unplug and plug in different consoles. My question is:
Is there a difference between a passive switch that just has a physical thing I can switch to change inputs and one that is powered when it comes to signal quality?
Say this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/XCM-3-in-1-out-Component-AV-Selector-Switch-YpBpR-Video-/261100516844
vs this https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-103027-4-Port-Component-Learning/dp/B001TK9SEE
Have some hot witches
>>3313447
what game is that? Some PC-Engine?
>>3313636
The game is Gaia Master: Kamigami no Board Game for PS1. It's JP only but you don't need to understand any to be able to play it since it's simple enough. There's a FAQ that covers all the details of cards, gameplay, and characters.
Great fun with friends or family, a game lasts about 45 minutes to an hour.
Amiga 1080 here. I figured I'd budge on the RGB cables for this and just get a guy I know at a local game store to make me a cable. Only consoles I want RGB from are SNES, Genesis, Saturn, possibly N64 if I ever get it modded. I'm not getting any Saturn games any time soon, so many main focus at the moment is SNES/Genesis. I've looked into it and I saw some threads about custom cables from Genesis to the 9-Pin D-Sub RGB input on the same monitor, and it seems simple enough but the people I saw were debating sync issues. Will there be any? Someone said it was as simple as pin to pin connecting and just wanna make sure. I have a model 1 Genesis btw. Would it be just as simple for SNES?
>>3314243
you shouldn't use genesis sync pin as-is, sometimes it works, sometimes not.
Either use composite line or wire it as the rgb bypass does (console pin 7 is wired directly to VDP csync).
also remember that MD/Gen din socket is the "U" shape kind, not the more common "C" shape.
n64 mod is easy as fuck
...hmm, well, easy as fuck if you've soldered before, definitely. I mean taking apart and reassembling the console takes longer than the actual mod itself, and the parts are only $15 on ebay for a premade board. (you can go cheap as fuck and dead-bug it but that takes more skill/hassle, probably not worth it unless you're a former EE tech hobo)
Anyone capable of making you a custom cable is almost certainly capable of modding it for you, it's literally 12 through hole pins (retarded piss easy) + 6 lap solder joints. If you're bros with the guy, just bring in the motherboard + parts and pay him $25 for the mod. The soldering is literally a 5-minute job, he makes some neat tax-free bank, and you still end up paying way less with less risk than some sketchy ebay mod service or $200 ebay scalper price for a premodded rgb N64.
Where are you located, geographically (roughly)? Mite b down to spread the rgb gospel if you're near me
Can I build a HTPC that directly outputs 240p over YPbPr component for emulating on a US consumer CRT television?
>>3314579
There are graphics cards that have TV Multi out ports that allow you to connect composite, svideo, and component out of the port, but I believe that those cards use a scaler on chip to display on the TV and have lag.
The only lagless way would be with a transcoder and you won't be able to fit one internally in a HTPC.
>>3314690
>The only lagless way would be with a transcoder and you won't be able to fit one internally in a HTPC.
you can fit a graphics card in an HTPC if you get the appropriate case and/or low profile card
or you can use a downscaler.
>>3314708
I mean, the transcoder that converts RGBHV to YPbPr won't fit inside a HTPC, the graphics card could but to transcode to his preferred signal would also require another box or unit.
>>3314690
How does the Wii manage it? It's smaller than most HTPCs.
>>3314721
Because it was designed to output 15khz or 31khz (for 480p) to a TV, whereas your average graphics card was only designed to output progressive signals, with maybe a less than stellar transcoder chip built in so you could plug your computer into your TV to watch movies on.
>>3314721
The graphics chip in the Wiii is designed to output resolutions at certain frequencies over different analogue video signals. It's how all consoles are, they don't scale the resolution or convert the output from digital to analogue. They don't display a PC resolution then scale it and convert it to component or whatever you think.
PC graphics cards won't do that without software like CRTEmuDriver and even then it'll only output RGB and not component. They're designed for PC frequencies and signals. Cards that do have component, composite, or svideo outputs have a built in scaler so that any PC resolution displays correctly on the TV but scalers have lag.
>>3314721
the raspberry pi is a little bit stronger than the wii if you can figure out how to get 240p out of it (its been done)
>>3314737
I know there are a few HDMI -> VGA converters that will output 240p RGB if you give them the right modelines
>>3314737
hdmi_mode=8
will set your raspi to display a 240p signal over HDMI, but converting a digital HDMI signal to an analogue signal will add lag. See https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt.md
>>3314737
>its been done
Not without external boxes it hasn't.
>>3314756
It would take a deinterlacing circuit and scaler, and the output is still going to be composite, let alone how awful the raspi's composite would be. It would also introduce two large chunks of lag.
>>3313254
Bumping this question for the day
Does anyone know which of these two monitors are better? I want one for playing ssbm in 480p. Thanks in advance for any help. http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/ele/5621509150.html
>>3315446
Did you check if the models even support 480p? Most PVMs don't, RGB is 240p. Best thing to do is to look up the manuals then bring something to test them with when you collect.
>>3315478
Thanks for the tip, they're not the right resolution. Apparently I want an HR model.
>>3315518
>are you absolutely positive?
The raspberry pi's firmware only allows NTSC, PAL, NTSC-J, and Brazilian PAL signals. It cannot output 240p through composite. This is not something anyone can change unless they're a Broadcom engineer who knows the secrets to the Pi's GPU and writes a new firmware.
>>3315518
>It seemed like some people figured it out without using a de-interlacer from what i read
Where have you read this? Are they claiming composite video out at 240p and are you certain it's not a converted HDMI 240p mode?
>>3314893
You could probably do it with next to zero lag though. Display a line-doubled image on the RPi and then you just need to fiddle with the sync a bit. Would still look like shit though because RPi composite.
>>3312860
Thanks. Now to figure out where I can find the service manuals.
>>3314243
>>3314460
>>3314526
Any other things I should know?
N64 through S-Video
>>3312331
Oh okay, yeah, most devices won't care when it comes to passthrough.
>>3311637
>And there is literally nothing wrong with sync from composite, even without a stripper.
Except that's literally wrong. The entire picture will slide left and right when intensity changes.
example from quick youtube search:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRmiZ06x6Kg
>>3314460
That's totally over-engineered.
Everything I've ever tried has accepted TTL level sync, so I use a 7408 (74ls** or 74hc** would also work) as a buffer. Any other 74xx logic chip would also work as long as it's non-inverting at the output.
>>3314243
>Forgot to put (you) in that reply.
Anyway, some monitors will sync to the genesis as-is, but a lot won't. The other anon's solution is probably more standard-compliant but TTL sync is unlikely to hurt anything. And it's far easier.
>>3315662
>2 resistors, 1 cap
>over-engineered
>>3315607
>quick youtube search
>links it's own video
pathetic
Sync buffer diagram of sorts
>>3315680
It came up in the results on page one, due to google tracking. ;)
>>3315672
That might not be able to drive csync on a TV from the csync output on the DIN, since he's wanting to use custom cables. IIRC that thing you posted is pulling signals straight from the video encoder and using the meme RGB amp that 'makes everything better because the RetroRGB guy says so".
Anyway, yes, there are 3 components. If you have them on hand but not a logic IC, go ahead.
>>3315717
learn2read
>>3314460
>>3315717
Oh, nope, actually this is for if you are hooking it straight into the VDP, bypassing an encoder.
Sorry about the misunderstanding.
Might work, but I'm definitely not bothering.
source(in german):
https://circuit-board.de/forum/index.php/Thread/14691-Mega-Drive-Mod-Platinen-RGB-Bypass-Switchless-Mod-Mega-Amp/
So I popped open my genesis and had a look - the csync on the DIN comes straight from the VDP with _exactly what this diagram shows_ minus the final 75 ohm resistor.
The VDP's csync is an open collector signal, so this circuit would pull too much current from the VDP and cause the chip to behave erratically when used with some monitors (such as my PVM's. My panasonic runs fine straight from the original csync line, but ONLY IF I turn off termination and effectively make it's csync line into a digital input).
If your TV isn't coping already, this circuit probably won't help. If you add the 2.2kohm resistor and cap to the push-pull output of a logic IC, you could get a 1Vpp sync signal that will actually drive a TV.
I need help fellas. This isn't a CRT specific issue but just a TV issue in general. I just got a Seiken Densetsu 3 English copy in the mail today and immediately hooked the game up to my SNES but the picture has a huge static issue except for a thin strip that goes down vertically and it is very apparent and annoying. Anyone ever have something like this happen to a game of theirs or got any idea on how to fix? The game plays normally I just passed Astoria right now. The pic isn't the best quality so I bet none of you will see anything whatsoever but just in case.
alternately you could add this instead of a logic IC. Probably just the last two transistors and last resistor (last being the furthest to the right, if you're going inside the console to pull from the VDP. Then add the 2.2kohm resistor and cap to the output of this and it'll give you proper sync that can actually handle a load.
>>3315778
I'm not sure what you mean, so yeah, an actually good pic would be helpful. That's way overexposed.
You aren't referring to this vertical line, are you?
(someone else's pic; I've never encountered it myself)
>>3315819
forgot pic.
>>3315831
Yes that is exactly what I am talking about. In the exact same spot even! Sorry for the pic don't have any good camera lens to get a good quality. Took another with the lights off.
>>3309431
Ok, I'm throwing this away then. Can't say I didn't try to get rid of it.
>>3315878
Yes, you tried for a whole day.
But really, you know people want them and you're that eager to throw it away/that impatient? Damn.
At least try craigslist and don't try to guilt us into picking it up with that pic.
>>3315762
>>3315819
So what's the consensus on the cable? Resistors and caps or no? Should I tell the guy making my cable these specifics?
>>3315853
I've never had this issue myself, but if you're using RGB, apparently using an alternative RGB amp fixes a lot of the issue.
If you aren't using RGB, a thread on assemblergames proposes a fix that sounds feasible to me, though I'd agree with most of the responses that something like 100-220uf is preferable to the 470uf ones he used.
>I used 470 uf caps but smaller ones might just do. Using bigger caps did not seem to have any additional impact.
>I put one on the regulator output and one on the Video Encoder +Vcc.
>Negative end of both caps goes to ground.
>You do not even need to remove the motherboard to do it.
http://assemblergames.com/l/threads/snes-vertical-bar-quick-and-easy-fix.48413/
>>3316349
I can say that the resistors plus caps MIGHT work. I can assure you that a buffer (like a 74ls07) WILL work on every RGB monitor I've ever tried, but some SCART devices (like that RGB SCART to YPbPr converter someone posted earlier) won't unless the sync signal is 1Vpp. Adding the resistors and capacitor to the output of the buffer should satisfy everything, I think. If not, it shouldn't be too hard for the guy to remove the resistors and caps and try it, or remove the buffer and try it.
TL;DR put the resistors and cap on the output of the buffer.
>>3316364
Oh, and note that a 74LS08 with both inputs on a gate bridged is the same as a 74LS07 functionally. That's why my diagram uses a 74LS08 - I didn't have a 7407 available.
>>3316352
Gonna guess that retard left those caps flapping in the breze? No idea why he soldered to the RF sheild ground plain either. Multiple spots to solder to ground there.
>>3316373
No, he says on the page it was a temporary setup.
And ground is ground, no matter where on the board it is, if all the chips on the board share the same ground level.
My RGB capacitors (DC offset removal) are literally flapping in the breeze because i didn't glue it down or anything. It just floats inside the case between some screw posts. See >>3311635.
Pic largely unrelated, it's an older pic of an AV mod power/video board for my famicom.
>>3316395
>And ground is ground,
Shitty mentality to have but on consoles yes.
We already know you rejoice in your hackjobs.
>the raspberry pi is a little bit stronger than the wii
No, it definitely isn't. ARM11 cores are FAR weaker than the wii.
Unless you mean stronger in that it can output more types of signals?
>>3316402
It's not true on an average CRT, I know. ground is relative. But shared on every console I've seen.
>>3316402
Technically the parallel capacitors each have smaller individual margins of error, so I'm getting closer to 220uf with those parallel caps than a typical single 220uf electrolytic would.
>>3313191
Get it before a scrap merchant does if you want a large screen. Anyone able to confirm what the inputs on a 40" mitsu would be? Is it a presentation monitor (which'll probably have RGB)?
That's one of the largest direct view CRTs ever produced, I think. (yes I know about that one 500TVL or whatever PVM that people here drool over, too)
>>3316451
I'd more concerned on console with creating ground loops with that mentality of ground is ground.
And just my opinion but I'm against destructive mods. RF shields having to be removed is about the limit.
>>3316485
Ground loops occur when you have a device on a different ground than another device in the circuit. As I was talking about consoles specifically where this is not an issue, I fail to see why you bring it up.
I draw the line at things that ruin the aesthetic of the console in normal use, like drilling holes in the side of a case. I regretted that on o e of my Famicoms and haven't done it since. Holes on the back are fine though.
>>3316303
I've actually had it on craigslist for about a week. No takers. Not a single email actually.
>>3316513
It's very easy to add a ground loop when doing AV mods.
>>3311652
this 20L5 guy seems a dick right guys
>>3316564
Yes
The local contrarian with freshman engineering-tier advice
>>3316541
nothing sells on craigslist in a week. You're impatient.
Just don't let the motherfucking scrappers get it.
>>3316546
Explain where it'd be easy to add a ground loop.
Note that I do always solder it to a point that the original video circuitry used as ground or somewhere nearby that a continuity tester has verified is continuous. But I have yet to create a video ground loop when my console and anything it attached to shared the same outlet.
>you're impatient
>>3311652
>I
>me
Why do you care so much about yourself and your image? You can just be anonymous and none of that matters. Stop being a faggot.
>>3316402
>ground is ground.
The context that I originally had that in, before you removed all context from it with a partial quote:
>And ground is ground, no matter where on the board it is, if all the chips on the board share the same ground level.
Shoukd have said 'all components' instead of 'all chips', but you should be able to understand the meaning.
>>3316716
Why do you care so much about what _I'm_ doing? You never provide any helpful or contributing information that I'm aware of. Maybe you post pics occasionally, maybe not. I don't know. But why does it bother you when I give advice so much?
Deriding others' advice is not a substitute for providing your own.
Also:
I was singled out as "free 20l5 guy" before I got spiteful and adopted the name. You can ignore me if you just see red whenever you see a name. I'll never bother you with my "free 20l5 guy freshman engineering" advice or "free 20l5 guy" pictures and you can live with your head in the sand, content.
>>3316736
>Why do you care so much about what _I'm_ doing?
Because your trip shits up the thread by itself
>>3316736
>But why does it bother you when I give advice so much?
Because your trip doesn't add anything to your advice, it just makes you additionally act like a faggot because you're trying to to sculpt some idiotic "image" of yourself.
>>3316349
Actually, ignore what I said about the 7407 - it's an open collector buffer. Use a 7408 or 74ls08 or 74hc08 with both inputs bridged.
>>3316736
>Why do you care so much about what _I'm_ doing?
you put yourself on display with that tripfaggot shit
>You never provide any helpful or contributing information that I'm aware of.
>Deriding others' advice is not a substitute for providing your own.
calling ad hominems does not excuse your own bullshit
>>3311997
OHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>3309078
a CRT with DVI. never seen or heard of this before. Can't remember TV brand name. should I pick it up?
>>3316830
>digital
no
