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This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.
Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories
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Don't have a BKM-10R to control your shiny used BVM? Now you don't need one.
http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J
I was able to find the online auctions the guy in the last thread spoke of.
There is a Sony BVM-20F1U for sale. Supposedly a good gaming CRT. Do I go for it /vr/?
So I use this RCA Tube TV with component on my ps2 and overall it looks fine, but when calibrating a tube, where should the sharpness setting be?
>>3220706
It is an excellent CRT. I love mine. The only flaw is that it's not multiscan, but that only matters for non-retro. With over 80k hours, the only issue mine has is a bit of vsync jitter, which is tolerable though I may try to repair it.
Some people think the scanlines are too pronounced, but I like it. Almost all calibration is done in software, which is really nice to get perfect results for bragging on /vr/. It only natively comes with RGB input, so if you want composite or YCbCr, you need to make sure it includes the 21D option card (nearly all do). Keep in mind that it has no controls, so you need a tethered remote, or >>3220689
>>3220716
Oh crap. I don't know what I'm getting myself into, and the auction ends tomorrow morning.
I'm no CRT pro, that's for sure. I just want a retro gaming setup for SNES or N64. Maybe emulation instead of console.
Ok, here are the two I see for auction:
> Sony BVM-D20F1U CVM w/41HD & 27T Cards & Case
> Sony BVM-20F1U CVM w/21D Card & Case
I guess I want that second one according to what you wrote?
This on my new PVM and the picture quality is astounding.
>>3220719
Sounds like both include everything necessary except the remote (BKM-10R - you can get one separately). They are both good choices, probably - the D20F1U is "better" because it is capable of HD resolutions, however I don't know if it scales up low resolutions (which would be bad). It also includes swappable faceplates for 4:3 and 16:9, though you can always run without a faceplate if you don't get the 4:3 one.
>>3220727
>however I don't know if it scales up low resolutions (which would be bad)
It doesn't.
>>3220730
Good! I might be able to get it for under $100
>>3220732
Good luck.
It'd be a steal at that price, assuming it's in decent condition.
>>3220714
Anyone? I always hear to set it to zero but thats for HDTV's I think. I'm not too sure that's why I'm asking here.
>>3220689
Thanks, anon, you've really delivered.
Truly this is great justice.
I can now use a RS232 serial device hooked to a RS232-to-RS485 converter (or a RS485 serial device)!
My PC's serial port should suffice.
>>3220706
do you have a link to said auction site?
Does anyone have any advice for local bargain hunting on PVMs / BVMs, like where to look, or is it one of those things where if you didn't jump aboard when every industry switched over to LCDs then you're SOL? The only time I've ever seen one for sale was a tiny 8" one at a thrift store and I didn't even know what it was at the time.
not a crt but snagged a little flip down kitchen tv and it works via rf. Stuck in 16:9 without the remote though ecch.
>>3220956
not too bad maybe I'll put it in the camper if I can find a remote
>>3220656
Ah yes, I'd totally forgotten about burn-in on rear projection TV's. Thanks for the reminder.
>>3220956
looks cute
>>3220936
One day soon I'm going to get around to writing a guide to tracking down professional monitors. Can't be arsed right now though. Mb watch this space.
Do CRT front projections count?
What is the best product (or circuit/chip) to convert component to RGB? Preferably with RCA or BNC in/out only
>>3221145
Shit's cool. Now try 240p on it so I can finally answer my age old question: Will a projector scanline properly?
>>3220732
Good luck. I payed over $550 for my D20F1U. I'm not sure if it's related to the shitty power circuitry in my home but moving it out into the living room has had it sometimes start up without properly displaying reds. Powering down and restarting with a cold start usually fixes it but I'm surprised my 14F5U with >80000 hours may actually last longer than my D20F1U with <35000 if this gets any worse.
I may invest in a UPS with a line cleaner to ensure clean power. I just really hope my red gun or its control circuitry isn't dying yet.
>>3220706
I'm that guy. Are you bidding on the monitors right now (bidder 7804)? If so, I don't want to step on your toes. But if not, I'm not going to let some ebay scalper grab everything and relist it for four times the cost.
>>3220824
It's not a traditional auction site. It's very low-tech. Buyer premiums, wire transfers, shipping quotes from freight companies like Navis. Not ebay, for sure.
>>3221254
Its in storage right now but Ill be sure to try it out
>>3220936
Is it safe to have that PVM/BVM that close to a PC Tower? Wouldn't the magnetism from the Degaussing Coil on startup risk permanently damaging the hard drives in the tower? (assuming they're not solid state)
>>3221271
I've had this happen to a much smaller 5 inch Sony PVM that I play with on occasion. The issue was cold/bad solder joints. I broke out my heatgun and pointed it at a few of the areas that were responsible for decoding NTSC (I was using the composite inputs and wanted to be sure they worked before selling it).
Probably not the same issue you're dealing with.
>>3221279
It's not my photo, although I wouldn't have done it. My shit needs room to breathe.
>>3221279
The steel case will probably prevent catastrophic damage to any spinning platter HDDs in the computer. They're pretty resilient anyhow. Demagnetization really worked better on floppies.
>>3221254
I remember one time I played a dvd on my ps3 with my sony g70 crt projector and there were scanlines... for some reason. Confusing since it was a 480i signal through component. But yeah, I'd imagine you'd get 240p scanlines.
I know this isn't a great picture, but does anyone know if this thing is worthwhile?
My girlfriend and roommate both work at a local TV/Radio production company of sorts and I've asked them to keep an eye out for old monitors. They had to go down to the basement because of a Tornado and spotted this outside in the hall
I guess it's going to be sold at an auction soon; is it something worth chasing down? The best displays I have at the moment are just consumer Trinitrons and it'd be nice to take a step up to something RGB if this has that. I can't get any more pictures and they didn't think to look at the back.
Is it worthwhile? How much is it worth? Figure it's better to get one locally if I can rather than pay for shipping a big metal and glass brick.
This may be a dumb question but is there any way to adapt a computer monitor for games?
all the PVMs on ebay are $250+
>>3221387
GBS8200/8220 is probably the cheapest way
>>3221387
That's an awesome monitor btw
>>3221398
>flat
>>3221424
doesn't matter with pc monis
>>3221273
I will be bidding on it soon, yeah.
>>3221429
Why not?
>>3221290
Yeah, it's shown up on sources both from the Component card and the RGBs card as well but it isn't too much of an issue for now.
>>3221478
they're as deep or deeper than tvs relative to their screen size, and they have better deflection electronics that ensure better linearity.
Aperture grille also is also better suited for flat.
Is this what youre talking about?
Looks like I have to input Component video which outputs to a VGA monitor. None of my consoles have component support
>>3221457
Good luck! If you win something and need to ship it, I recommend getting in touch with Navis ASAP and asking for the items to be put on a pallet and braced carefully with heavy foam. Also have Navis deliver to their own warehouse in your city/town if there is one, which cuts down on the cost somewhat (residential delivery is expensive).
Know your limits and don't go above the price you have in your head. It's not worth it to get into a bidding war. Regardless of how BVMs and PVMs are perceived, there are tons of them all over the world still in working order and some even still in use today. The TV station I work at dumped four 9" PVMs on me recently and they're still using two 14" BVMs daily, always on and recoding standard def cable 24 hours a day.
If you don't win and you want one of the 9" PVMs, let me know and we can work something out. They don't have RGB inputs by default but can be added with an option card. They also have v-mount battery terminals, in case you ever thought about retro gaming on the go.
![671[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CsE8eXr.jpg "671[1].jpg")
Also lol @ whoever is bidding $200+ on what looks like two 14" PVMs and three 14" BVMs. Assuming it's a reseller.
>>3221649
Thanks. I actually live a couple hours or so from Burbank, CA so I'm thinking of making the drive sometime when I'm out of class.
This will be my first CRT, so I hope I get one. I love the idea of making my first retro gaming setup.
>>3221279
Nah. You would need HELLA GAUSS to to do that.
>>3221747
I used ctrl+f for "@" and "hella" and found only one result of each.
So I guess the answer to your question is no?
>>3221764
Good to stop it.
Well, someone just bid about $200 bucks on the BVMs.
No gaming setup for me now. =/
>>3221513
See the pin header in the pic? You supply the RGBS signal through that. It's best to wire that to a female SCART socket and put a sync stripper in as well. The way I set mine up takes composite video from the female socket, goes to the stripper, then goes to the pin header for sync. RGB lines just come straight out of the socket to the header. It's really not a good solution unless you're comfortable with DIY stuff, since there's not really a plug and play solution for feeding it RGB.
>>3221869
Not the same guy but was wondering if the gbs 8200 has any lag at all
>>3221904
gbs is a low end scaler and known to have between 2 and 4 frames of lag.
also picky about sync
What's the best way I can split S (combined) into HV (separate) sync?
>>3221924
I would say through the use of highpass (to extract H) and lowpass filters (to extract V).
Then buffer the filtered signals with schmitt triggers and preferably the input too before the filters.
>>3221847
I didn't win the BVMs, but I did get these couple of 19"s for $55.
Did I make good /vr/?
>>3221917
It's not too bad on sync if you don't follow mmmonkey's guide. He passes H and V to it from the stripper. When I did this the sync was very jumpy. Also, there needs to be a 680 ohm resistor on the sync out from the stripper. Otherwise the signal is a bit too hot for the GBS.
>>3221941
Any simple circuit or anything I can do? Seems the lm1881 chip will separate vertical but is there anything similar for getting hsync as well?
My goal here is to connect my arcade boards which output RGBS from the jamma connector to my capture card, which only seems to like RGBHV.
>>3221957
They look nice. When you get them let us know what the model number is.
>>3221967
>Seems the lm1881 chip will separate vertical but is there anything similar for getting hsync as well
You could use the BURST output but the vertical sync from this chip isn't good unless the signal is progressive (not interlaced).
>My goal here is to connect my arcade boards which output RGBS from the jamma connector to my capture card, which only seems to like RGBHV.
Go for the LM1881 first if you have it.
>>3221747
Sorry I type like an old person sometimes.
>>3221387
Look for an Extron scaler on ebay. I use an Extron ISM 482 for my 31Khz vga monitor. You can input composite, s-video, RGsB, RGBs, component and rgbhv(vga). you can output that at most any res and refresh along with audio. dealing with the bnc and 5 terminal pole connections for audio isn't fun though so be warned. I'm pretty sure there's units that are just one input and one output though so you could save money that route and get nice results.
>>3221957
nice.
any other anon managed to snag some ?
>>3221994
Could you do some example pics? You've grabbed my interest. These aren't too expensive.
>>3221369
I'd be surprised if it were colour, never mind RGB.
Looks to be a security monitor.
>you will never find a PVM in good condition for a reasonable price
>>3222042
Hang in there anon. Your chance will soon come, you just need to have patience.
It's how I scored my 1344Q for 20 burger bucks.
>>3222042
>tfw got a 20in pvm for $50
Look for local medical surplus
someone wanna tell me what makes pvm so great?
>>3222154
easiest way of rgb in burger land
>>3222042
There's another auction in June. Shitload of 8" PVMs for sale if you really want one.
>>3222183
What auction?
>>3222157
could you use a SCART or RGB to VGA or whatever and play on a monitor?
>>3222192
The Bethpage, NY one.
>>3222194
PVM monitors normally (sometimes) have BNC inputs for RGB. You can get a cable or make your own to hook up via SCART.
>>3222194
(pc) monitors don't accept 15khz signals, and converters introduce a whole lot of problems
Has anyone tried to directly contact Sony and ask where they're most likely to find PVM's?
>>3222226
>someone on /vr/ just got sects
How far back do you need to go to find CRTs that still had manual controls for the signal and were completely analog?
>>3222426
Look for old RCA tubes. My grandmother had a really neat one with click wheels that felt fresh as fuck. Don't know what happened to it. Spent hours trying to tune it's internal analog receiver to get channels out in the boonies of central Florida.
>>3221397
This.
legit gbs from jammaboard plus an ebay slg with a modded scart input is excellent, with the custom firmware its even better
>>3222426
I have an 80s Sears-Robuck that does. It's got twin-lead only for input and VHF / UHF tuners with fine tuning controls. I guess that's not quite what you're referring to, definitely analog though.
>>3221512
>that improvement with depth of tube automatically removes all geometry issues a flat screen presents particularly on the top and bottom of the screen
>all TVs have crippled short stubby tubes
>>3222341
either:
a)
they'd tell you to buy a new OLED one.
b)
they'd say broadcast studios and digal photography developers and other places where color grading matters like print shops and hospitals/medical facilities.
>>3222426
1980s and very early 90s.
Though my grandparents had one set from 1987 with a simplistic OSD (just channel numbers displaying on the screen, no menus).
>>3222523
That's precisely what I did to get both of my PVMs and my panasonic monitor.
>>3222496
>conveniently forgets better deflection electronics.
And yes, flat consumer tvs have stubbier tubes relative to diagonal size, because consumers wanted thinner tvs and cared less about geometry than computer users.
>>3222526
also they won't know what you mean if you say 'PVM' or 'BVM'. Just ask about CRT monitors. This one responded that they had 14 inch ones ready to go and would have a 20 inch (turned out to be a 20L5) in a couple months.
>>3222528
He didn't forget 'better deflection electronics' - it's not possible to have a perfect geometry flat CRT (though you could in an ideal world get infinitely close).
>>3222531
At this level it becomes pedantic because a perfectly rounded tube is similarly impossible. Still, no flat CRT can match the best curved ones in geometry in practice.
>>3222534
Forgot about monochrome ones - in monochrome you probably could match it.
>>3222528
>all consumer CRTs were low profile ones made after 2000
>>3222540
I picked up a Samsung CRT a couple days ago. It has issues with the very top of the screen I hope I can fix without having to open anything up.
>>3222540
all flat tube tvs were designed to be thinner
What are you fags gonna do after all CRTs die out?
>>3222593
bury you with them
>>3222602
Will my grave have scanlines?
>>3222623
It would be extremely retro.
>>3222623
it will if your name isDRACURA
>>3220936
Ok, I got around to it. Can someone find a hsot and add this pasta to the OP? IF that's something we even want to do...
--- /crt/'s guide to tracking down high-end CRTs v0.1 ---
PVMs, BVMs and other presentation, production and broadcast CRTs are getting harder to find, but there are still a great number of them around. Sure, you can always buy from reseller scum on Ebay, or from the production techs on therre who will actually sell quality sets and give a guarantee, but you may be paying too much.
The first and most important hurdle is reaching the right people and getting them to talk. The importance of being polite and friendly cannot be overstated. This goes double for not banging on about your hobbies to people who don't give a shit. Don't spam people. Don't ring every two days to check if they've found anything. Don't even explain what you want to the front desk or to reception, and don't use the term CRT whatever you do - start by asking for the right people. At a TV studio, that's the produciton guys. At a hospital it can be trickier. It might be maintenance, IT, or the technical guys - the people who would install the screens for the medical machines, or install the medical machines themselves. Ask reception to speak to maintenance first, and go from there.
The truth of the matter is that the longer and more intimately people have worked with CRT tech, the more interested in it they are, the more they'll be happy to talk, and the more you'll get out of them. This is a helpful if general rule. The busier someone is, and the crabbier as a person, the harder it gets.
Pt 2 to follow...
>>3222668
cont...
Remember that these people are doing you a favour. You're wasting their professional time, not the other way around. You might even offer to do some work for them, help out, volunteer, or whatever. This can be an administrative nightmare due to OHS & liability, but it might work.
Another tip is to sit on your hands. If you do find a set you want, but people want to much money for it, wait. Call back in a year, and point out that if it hasn't sold, it's not going to. If you then offer something, it may be better than nothing. It won't work with everyone, but you never know.
There are a few obvious places to start searching, beyond ebay/gumtree/craigslist/etc/. In 2016, in a very rough order of most- to least likely, you might try:
1. Regional TV stations:
These guys may not have upgraded for a while, and may even still use CRT for colour correction or SD reformatting. People in regional areas are using CRTs more, and regional studios deliver content to look ok on those sets.
2. Production companies:
These guys all used high-end CRT's as well. Might be companies who did film, TV, documentaries or advertising. A lot of them will still have stuff floating around, even if it's not in use. They will also likely know a lot of other people in the industry, and are a good source of contacts.
3. AV/Presentation companies:
Sort of a loose category. It includes guys who do corporate video, expos, conventions, etc. Possibly also video walls, public exhibitions, but that might be better filed below...
4. Production rental companies:
Places that rent to film or TV-commercial sets, or to people producing live events. Or people recording something else. Most of these firms will have CRT's floating around. They'll also be reluctant to sell for cheap, but you can try.
Pt 3 to follow...
>>3222669
cont...
5. Hospitals:
Go gently. Ask for maintenance, or whoever takes care of the medical imaging machines. They may have some in storage, and they won't want to go digging. When you do find the right people, your best bet by far is to get them talking, whether that's about CRT's or about the godawful state of the health system and how shit their funding is. Feel things out.
6. Auction yards:
Govt. departments and studios and other places are always dumping lots onto auction and sales yards. Pickles and Gray's in Australia have had lots up in the last few years, and there have to be similiar places in the US. Can be hard to find if you're not combing the listings of like ten places daily, and you may not want to buy 10 sets when they do come up.
7. Art Galleries:
Video walls, video installations, performance art production, that kind of thing. Ask for the guys who'd take care of a video installation.
8. TV stations in Major cities:
Usually tapped out. They'll have gotten rid of their CRTs years ago. Still worth a try, and you may get a few leads.
9. Schools/Colleges known for Film/TV/production courses:
Would often have high-end gear. Like in a hospital, the right people can be very hard to reach though, through the administration. Be patient, and be prepared to get the runaround as people have no idea who you should be talking to.
10. OB companies.
OB stands for Outside Broadcast, and some of these firms are so small all they had was a single broadcast truck from which they would sell regional coverage back to the major studios. Some of them are on contract, perhaps covering sporting events or the horse-racing, etc. They often know a lot about who's doing what, locally. Besides, the broadcast trucks are packed with gear, and when they decomission one...
Pt 4 to follow...
>>3222672
cont...
11. Security firms
Low end gear, possibly only black&white sets. Worth a shot, or they wouldn't be on the list.
12. Other:
The military, the police, the emergency services, other arms of government or public bodies. This may sound crazy or weird, but it isn't. The RAAF (Australian Airforce) maintained its own in-house production studios for over 15 years, finally closing them some time in the late 2000's, apparently. The Victorian Police did too, and theirs might be still going. Rumour has it the fire dept of Victoria also had one. Finding the right people might be a nightmare. Most of the organisation will have no idea the production facility or capability exists within their ranks. For the RAAF example above, you might have tried general enquiries line > media relations > ???
13. Other other:
Stuff I haven't thought of or don't know about. Feel free to add to this pasta!
Share the wealth! Don't sell for more than you paid, save to cover reasonable expenses. And if you find a set or lot but can't or don't want to pick it up, let other people know!
>>3222557
not him but what's wrong with it?
What are the chances of finding some dealer that still has Sony 330YB22 tubes in stock?
>>3222672
Holy shit I'm so fucking stupid. My sister works at a goddamn hospital. All this time trying to find PVMs everywhere and I never thought to ask her to check the one she works at. I had even considered that angle before, but never thought to use the most obvious resource I had.
>>3222565
>all flat tubes are designed to be thinner
Not really. I recently picked up an 'insignia' (best buy) 20" set for a friend of mine who develops NES games and wants a CRT for his Zapper game to work (it's pong where zappers work as wiimotes). He was happy with just composite and s-video. Anyway the tube is just as deep as the ones in my PVM-20L5 and PVM-1944Q, but flat.
>>3222593
I'll die before all usable CRTs do. And anyway short of phosphors burning out you can rebuild electron guns and re-seal tubes. No one does it professionally anymore but it is still possible (if labor-intensive) to do.
From historical tubes (my oldest is from 1967 but the oldest I've seen is a B&W one from 1953 in a factory break room) I can say that some tubes will still exist and work when I die.
>>3222668
Also remember that volunteering at a PBS station you can look around and see if they still use tubes (or hear the 15khz buzz). I got friendly with the station by volunteering there for pledge drives and shit because I needed to do 20 hours of volunteer work for my school to let me graduate.
During a break I went to the station engineer and asked about test pattern generators (something I'd been interested in for years but never actually used or known how to calibrate with). I did not ask about RGB CRTs then and there.
Way later I emailed him and told him something like 'hi, I'm [Free 20L5 Guy]. I'm a station volunteer. I talked to you a while abck about SMPTE color bars and pattern sources. I've got a project I'm working on that I need a display with RGB inputs for, and I'm wondering if you have any CRT monitors you're getting rid of soon. Would you be willing to sell/give me one instead of recycling it?' (At the time I was working on a crosshatch generator that utilized an ATmega32U4 microcontroller to create RGB signals).
Those aren't the exact words, but it was something to that effect. It worked.
Pictured: best pic of the depth of that flat tube.
does someone has the mitsubishi xc3730 manual ?
>>3222690
What monitors/TVs were they used in?
You'll probably find someone eventually. Even better find other monitors/TVs that might use it for cheap and check inside them.
>>3222723
whoops. didnt mean to spoilertag that.
>>3222686
I'll take a picture later, but I didn't have time to truly test the set. When I simply powered it on without any input, the top part of the screen seems to have tearing issues, like I had paused a VHS tape or something. With any luck it's a quirk with the set and proper input would be unaffected. With medium luck it's an issue I can fix with degaussing or opening up the unit and fishing around. With bad luck the aperture grille/shadow mask/whatever the fuck this thing uses is damaged and I may as well toss it.
It's a Samsung Slimfit tube from 2006 or so. The only reason I picked it up from the local food bank was the HDMI and component inputs, which sparked my interest.
>>3222723
>Also remember that volunteering at a PBS station you can look around and see if they still use tubes
Seems an oddly self-centred way to say that volunteering first and asking about CRT's second might not be a bad way around, but ok. It probably isn't for everyone though, and the guide was meant to be general. Also, pledge drives are some sort of weirdly American-specific thing, like pep rallies and your political circus :)
Alright, I'm looking to display 224p, 240p, and 480p signals from my computer to a consumer CRT (not a fan of the thick scanlines from professional and PC monitors) using component.
I know I can use a DisplayPort to VGA adapter to get analog RGB from a modern GPU, and run that signal to go through an Extron VSC 500 to get 15khz 480i and 480p signals into the television through component.
However, this does not account for 224p and 240p, as the VSC models don't allow for low resolution output.
I understand that I can run the signal through the scan converter for 480i, and then through an RGB interface such as the Extron RGB 109xi to achieve proper low-resolution output, but I believe I lose out on component output.
Can anyone confirm this information?
Is there a proper solution for this?
>>3222770
Some active HDMI -> VGA converters WILL push 240p @ 60Hz if you feed it to them, then you'd just need a VGA -> YPbPr transcoder.
>>3222728
The service manual of the PVM 1271Q says ituses it. It was probably used in other monitors of the mid-late 80s.
>>3222790
I currently use a DVI to VGA converter and I can push 240p @ 60fps through that, but I use a PC CRT monitor that doesn't allow for 15khz so it can't display it. Even if it did, it would have those thick scanlines I mentioned before.
If I were to connect that VGA output to a VGA -> YPbPr transcoder, would I be able to skip the expensive scan converters and have quality low-res output on a consumer TV?
What would be a decent model to achieve this?
>>3222672
Can vouch for colleges, especially ones with TV stations. I work at one and they were randomly throwing out 3 decent 8-14" PVMs. Mostly composite/S-Video stuff but I got some cool finds just by asking. Make a friend who works at a college.
Can someone recommend me a good CRT at around the 20inch size range?
I looked at the pastebin and was a bit surprised not to see a big "master list" type of deal with a bunch of various tvs and their info.
I've heard the sony PVM/BVMs are great, but I can't really find anything bigger than 14". My local craigslist is full 34" Trinitrons, but I can't really seem to find anything I know for sure is nice that doesn't weigh 250 pounds.
Necessary: No lag, composite input, nice scanlines with 240p, sharp enough to read even small text at 480i ( <--- this is where my current consumer set fails), has to be carryable by one (strong) male.
Strong preference: S/Video and or Component inputs
Nice to have: 480p (maybe even higher too???) as long as it, introduces NO lag, RGB inputs, scanlines with 480i or even 480p would be cool too. I guess my preference would be for a "flat" tube vs a rounded one.
Might even be okay with a 16:9 tv, if they make one that could also display 4:3 input natively somehow (analog?) without adding lag.
Color accuracy, geometry are not too important to me as long as it's not horrible. I am very bothered by flickering so something that looks okay with 480i content is needed.
My current consumer ~20" CRT does fine for my mild scanline 240p needs, so this tv would mostly be for PS2 and Gamecube (Wii) use.
I'm in the south SF Bay Area, Burgerland. I have a decent job so I'm willing to spend up to ~$250-300 on the right set, but I don't have time or inclination really to hang around hospital maintenance departments or whatever when I get off work.
TL;DR - Meme me a 20" CRT
>>3222913
>campus TV
Another uniquely American institution :) I wasn't thinking of that, but I'll add it to v0.2, thanks.
>>3222770
It seems like you want to to take an HD signal, convert it, downscale it to 15kHz, adding lag, convert it, then re-upscale it to a 480p capable consumer TV, adding more lag. Each scaling is doing to lose video quality to boot. The end result it going to be a mess.
just a suggestion but if you want component, a lot of GPU's with an S-Video port (mini-din 8 or 9) were capable of outputting component via it. You used to get the adapter in the box. You won't get 240p that way, but doing it your original way is kinda pointless.
>>3222935
A smaller consumer Trinitron would almost do, save reading text at 480i. If that's really important, and if the flickering bothers you from the PS2, your only option is a professional monitor. Especially for 480p, as the number of consumer sets with multiformat capability (and thus no lag) is not long.
>>3222972
>list is not long
Do you have any list of keywords I could search to find out more, or maybe even just one model you can think of that has this ability?
I didn't realize that PVMs actually come in a 20" variety, but at least off ebay they end up around $450 (after shipping) for ones that look good.
Do PVM's have multiformat capability?
I can stretch to $500 ish, but at that price I probably want it to be perfect (for me). At $<50-250 ish I'm much more willing to accept minor 'flaws' like interlace only, but horizontal resolution for clear text and "non annoying" interlace flickering are mandatory.
So guys, remember this post >>3214606 I made about the HDMI to YUV / VGA converter on amazon? The seller responded to a question I asked, however I think they might just be trying to get a sale out of me either without understanding the question or because they just don't care. I asked "Can this converter carry a 240p signal for playing retro games from a PC?" and they answered with "yes, it support up to 1080p." Broken English doesn't really inspire much confidence. The fact that the only review is also written in somewhat broken English makes me suspect the seller is not entirely honest and likely wrote the review themselves.
There's a cheaper HDMI to YUV / VGA converter on Amazon (pic related) but the reviews are mixed, although it at least has multiple reviews. None of the reviews or questions seem to say whether or not it can do 240p from a PC, so I might just have to ask it myself.
The one I was looking at earlier was $40 an this one is $27, so it wouldn't hurt my wallet quite as hard if it turns out not to do what I want, although I'd rather find out beforehand than be stuck with a piece of junk that I can't get rid of.
>>3223007
Some PVM's are multiformat, some BVM's too. There are also sets bother other manufacturers, of course.
In short, if it says "multiformat" on the top right of the bezel, or somewhere in the description, it probably is. L5 PVMs, D-series BVMs and A-series BVMs might be easiest to start with. Post up here if you find a set you're not sure about, and for further info so you don't end up in trouble.
I have no idea what you mean by "interlace only" but any set that does 15kHz will do both 240p and 480i quite happily. or clear text, a PVM or BVM will have a nice high line count.
>>3223007
Clear text has more to do with signal quality, in either 240p or 480i.
Also, since you said it's more for ps2 and wii, the choice would be an EDTV, but it seems only +29" monsters carry component inputs with 480p capacity.
>>3223034
>L5 PVM, D-series BVM and A-series BVM
Thanks. Yeah I'd just found that PVM-20L5 are multiformat, and came back to post about it. The only I see is $500 .... well I went back to go grab the link and it seems someone just bought it in the last 10 minutes. One of you gents?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-HR-TRINITRON-MULTIFORMAT-PVM-20L5-CVM-W-120D-CARD-W-DEGAUSS-BUTTON-/282033800331
hmm... I found something else that looks kind of interesting but now I'm not sure if I should post it
>>3221981
Did a bit of searching, what abould something like el1883 for separating both?
Hmm.... I see some 15kz-only 20" stuff in my price range, and some multiformat stuff at 15" and under, but no goldilocks multiformat stuff at 20" (besides that one that just got bought).
I have pretty terrible vision, so I'm not sure if I could get cozy my a recliner with anything less than ~20". I have a 13" tv that feels much too small when I try to play it from my comfy chair.
Does anyone here use a <= 15" display as their daily driver? Do you play PS2 era games on it?
I don't think I'll be impulse-buying anything tonight, so I'll leave this here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IKEGAMI-HTM-1505RA1-Color-Monitor-w-DKM-501-HD-SDI-SD-SDI-Input-module-/331837330992
>>3223074
Man, with how scarce PVM's have been recently, I really feel lucky with my minty $50 PVM 20M2MDU.
Should have bought some L5's back in 2012 when people knew fuck all about tubes.
>>3223074
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/IKEGAMI-HTM-1505RA1-Color-Monitor-w-DKM-501-HD-SDI-SD-SDI-Input-module-/331837330992
>Monitor work ok however it has some letters burnt on the CRT - Turner .
Why.jpg
>>3222669
>Regional TV stations:
Do you mean, as in, smaller stations/rural stations? As I think that term might be a better/clearer way to put it.
That said, I'll toss it together in a pastebin and toss it in the next OP.
>>3222726
Just a leaflet of sorts, not full manual. You can try searching for yourself, but I've talked with multiple people with the sets and it always comes back that you just can't find it.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/0n7i6p5h9mn6bb5/Mitsubishi+MegaView+Pro+37+%28XC-3730C%29+Monitor+Manual.TIF
Not your standard PDF or image files; I use Honeyview to view it personally, and even that doesn't work out terribly well.
>>3223036
>It seems only +29" monsters carry component inputs with 480p capacity.
Sony made a few 27'' ED/HD CRTs, and some even have HDMI.
Not going to be lag free, even for 480p sources though. Only 2 frames, but still.
>>3223081
>Should have bought some L5's back in 2012 when people knew fuck all about tubes.
Still upset I didn't grab a 20L5 when they were still "common" in the $200 or so area.
>>3223083
oh wow, that's what I get for disabling javascript.
I also found a pair of multiformat-capable JVC's, but they are lacking the RGB/YPbPr input card and I can't seem to find the card for sale anywhere:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JVC-Broadcast-CRT-Monitor-19-0R-4-PGM-Model-DT-V1910CG-DTV-Component-Multi-/231764962684
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JVC-Broadcast-CRT-Monitor-19-0R-I-PGM-Model-DT-V1910CG-DTV-Component-Multi-/262215073484
Looks like I may have to creep around PBS stations after all. I hang out and feel comfortable in electronics surplus stores, but the one I usually go to is all ham-tists, I don't think I've ever seen a TV in there.
>>3223103
> smaller stations/rural stations?
> I'll toss it together in a pastebin and toss it in the next OP.
updated with suggestions made here, and ready to go: https://my.mixtape.moe/pjwqbp.docx
>>3222743
>Seems an oddly self-centred way to say that volunteering first and asking about CRT's second might not be a bad way around, but ok. It probably isn't for everyone though, and the guide was meant to be general.
Yeah, I know it comes off that way. I actually mainly volunteered there because I am genuinely interested in broadcasting and video in general. When I realized they hadn't gotten rid of their CRTs yet I got excited by the prospect, though.
>Also, pledge drives are some sort of weirdly American-specific thing, like pep rallies and your political circus :)
Yeah, I know in Britain you pay a license fee when you buy a television and pay taxes and that's how the BBC is funded. We don't have that unfortunately. Which is part of why the Beeb produces so much more content :|
>>3223053
I actually had no idea it was 'multiscan' when I got my 20L5. Was just a nice suprise later on.
Unfortunately they tend to go for stupid prices like that if you are stuck with ebay.
>>3223136
>We don't have that unfortunately.
On the upside we don't have 24/7 propaganda telling us to accept terrorists and rapefugees or we are racyss.
>>3223141
>the BBC is 100% ad-free in britain.
Ads are a welcome respite from the liberal propaganda.
>>3223114
the jvc/panasonic rgb card can go +$100. Half of the reason I bought an SD JVC 100€ was because it had the RGB card and that it can be re-used on a DTV monitor.
>>3223140
>accept terrorists
You mean accept the US - the only nation to be censured by the international criminal court for terrorism. How can any dirt-poor partisan or movement possibly compete with those resources and propaganda? Clearly worked on you.
>>3223156
hmm.... so the RGB card from non-multiscan displays is exactly the same and can be used in a multiscan display?
I will look into this tomorrow
>>3223167
yes, for JVC/Panasonic monitors at least.
oh yeah
>>3223191
>TN
>>3223191
works well enough. gonna get a better active matrix screen and make a 3D printed faux mini crt tv and NES case Rpi.
>>3220716
What do Multiscan monitors have over non multi scan monitors? I have this exact model and have played my PS2 (non retro I suppose) and it looks fine. Am I missing something?
>>3223198
Heh, neat.
I did something similar many years ago using guts from a portable DVD player and legos (and a LM386 op-amp)
>>3223216
resolutions other than 480i/240p without shitty digital scaling.
>>3223216
you can play 480p and above on it. DC, PS2 (compatible games or forced), Xbox, GC (with $500 cable)...
1 monitor to rule them all basically.
>>3223232
>with $500 cable)...
Even with that exaggeration, the Wii is a decent stand in.
>>3223232
>(with a $500 cable)
Alternately (I've never done this) https://github.com/ikorb/gcvideo if you know how to use a FPGA.
>>3223103
I don't know who was the fucker that though a multipage tif was a good idea, but he can go fuck himself.
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=48280411859897978002
>>3223236
hey, I'm only exagerating twice too much
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nintendo-Gamecube-Component-Cable-/322109160748?hash=item4aff33bd2c:g:yDsAAOSw3mpXOBWe
>>3223248
Beats me, but I've just been too lazy too lazy to change it. Never went into it often enough to find it annoying enough.
I'll start linking that one around instead though, thanks.
And as for the Component cable, I'm aware. If I had to pay even close to what they're going for now, I'd just stick to S-Video and/or a Wii.
Content sticking with my D-Terminal cable and RCA adapter.
>>3221957
Is anyone able to guesstimate what Sony PVMs I might have won here? What inputs they might have?
>>3223293
Isn't the D-terminal one also stupidly expensive now? Like earthbound-level stupid?
>>3223312
Almost definitely RGB for both, gonna pull 'PVM-1954Q' out of my ass for the bottom one.
>>3223334
It's one sexy looking CRT. Could definitely be it. Thanks man.
I plan to drive out next week before class to pick them up from Burbank. Hopefully both CRTs will fit in my tiny Hyundai Tiburon haha.
>>3223371
No problem.
I have a 1944Q (4 years earlier than the 1954Q, I think the 1954Q was a successor of sorts), and it's a great 600TVL PVM. Both of those (1954Q and 1944Q) support YPbPr and RGB inputs.
You know you have an old monitor when the manual mentions the Apple II.
>>3223327
Just as expensive, yeah, but when I managed to grab mine, it only put me back$70for the cable(in box even) from a UK seller, and $15 or so for the adapter from SolarisJapan.
>>3223312
>>3223334
Agreed on the 1954q. HRTrinitron badge and grey power switch, rather than SFP and green switch(1944) or Trinitron with grey switch (M2).
Top one had me a bit confused for a second, but the standard Trinitron badge and 5 knobs on the front panel make me want to say it's a 20L2.
Both are 600TVL monitors, and both will support RGB and Component.
1954 will match the back of a 20M2(2 Composite, 1 S-Video, 1 RGB/Component)
20L2 will match the rest of the (1 Composite/S-Video, 1 Composite, 1 RGB/Component)
>>3223382
>N series set
Not with that many different toggle buttons on it's not.
finished RGB-modding that SNES mini from the anon on the other thread.
>>3223371
I can tell you from experience that the 1954Q will fit in a volvo 850 sedan's trunk; not sure how that compares with a tiburon.
If you can move the passenger front seat enough you could probably squeeze one into the rear passenger seat.
Good luck, and have fun. If it',s anything like my 1944Q (and it should be), it'll be an excellent monitor.
>>3223371
Clear out your trunk and put down your back seats and they should fit. I had an Integra and could fit a 20L5 in it. Have a Corolla now and can actually fit less. Wish I had a hatchback again.
Is there something that i can search for that isnt 'PVM" in the name? Something that someone who doesnt know what it is would list it as (and thus might sell it cheap)?
Color monitor? RGB monitor? studio tv?
>>3223839
Trinitron, SONY Monitor, etc; Consumer sets aren't the devil either. Some are badass.
>>3223535
Lets see the hot glue and off center rca plugs.
>>3223371
If I could fit the front chassis of a dead XM29 in the front seat of a 1996 Monte Carlo, I think you'll be alright.
>>3223603
>20L5 guy drives a fucking Volvo
It's like you're some kind of caricature of hipster scum, holy shit. To be fair, I half-expected you not to own a car, but instead one of those 40-year-old Italian road bikes with a stupid fixed-gear modification.
>>3222042
At this rate, it isn't a certain thing, especially depending on what region you live in. Your best bet is to keep looking, but maybe start saving some money on the side to buy a stupidly-overpriced one in the future.
Am I missing something here? What the fuck are people doing spending this money?
>>3224078
Hipsters.
>>3224078
What are you talking aboot?
It says "gaming" therefore it's worth it
>>3224078
>tfw I got a 32" sony trinitron for free from a frat house
The sad part is that i had to get rid of it because it was over 200lbs and i had nowhere to put it. but I kept it for a bout a year and had some fun.
>>3224079
But even if they're hipsters, why not just pay a fraction of the price at a thrift store or charity shop, or better still, spend minimal effort to find someone throwing their old crt out for free?
>>3224086
Those prices don't include shipping charges
>>3224097
The goodwills in Columbus Oh (maybe national) no longer accept CRT tvs as item, a shit ton of them got tossed
Look in your local paper or check those shitty little bulletin boards outside of your grocery store. I guarantee someone is holding an electronics recycling day in your area once every three months or so.
There should be 3-5 sleazy looking dudes hanging around a big ass trailer. Give one a $20 and have your pick of TV's.
>>3224103
Don't think you understand how ebay works.
I'm going to charge a lot for an item that I have to spend time creating a crate in order to ship for.
>>3224123
>what is "local pickup only (no shipping)" ?
>>3223535
I did the mod and got smearing, how did you do it?
>>3224131
properly
>>3224129
Can't tell you from that screenshot.
If you think people asking a lot of old ass TVs is a new and "hipster" thing well you don't get out much. That same old VCR guy at the swapmeet is there all the time asking dumb prices like he has for years.
anyone know anything about this tv?
>>3224137
No you stupid faggot. People asking for a lot of money for outdated/old/useless shit is not a hipster thing. But people actually PAYING a lot of money for those items is, and always has been. That's what we're talking about.
>>3224150
>bad purchase decision are hipster
I can't keep up with the kid's buzzwords anymore I guess.
>>3224152
When it's buying outdated technology, yes. That's practically the definition of hipster. Hipsters not only pay too much for old shit, they then brag about it, like it shows their dedication to being obsolete.
>>3224157
Win7/8 users are hipsters. Ok makes sense.
>>3224163
I didnt pay for windows 7 though so its okay
>>3224135
I feel like I followed the wrong directions, it just seems super easy and I'm not sure how I fucked up
>>3224170
>I stole it so it doesn't count as hipster
You kids got some complicated slang these days.
>>3224148
I know from experience that this manufacturer makes really crappy TVs, all CRT ones are prone to get dry solder joints very quickly which will wreck high voltage circuits and much more.
Another thing is that it may forces interlacing on 240p/288p and could have sync problems with NES and possibly other /vr/ systems.
>>3224176
Take some pics of what you did, maybe? Perhaps someone here can spot a boo-boo.
>>3224192
Dang. Thanks for the info fampai
>>3224028
>lets see that hot glue and off center RCA
the guy wanted RGB on the multi-av port and provided his cable for it, and all parts. No hot glue or RCA jacks.
Again, turns out I do things according to what I'm asked to do when I'm working for someone else.
>>3224265
whoops. that's what happens when I visit other threads.
>>3224061
Feel the hate flow through you.
And at least it's not a 240 (I love them though).
>>3221513
Will this somehow improve image quality as compared to composite?
Which TVs used the Sony CXA2025AS US decoder IC?
Apparently that produced vivid reds on NES NTSC composite video.
how the hell do I get 180hz out of this thing?
The max I've gotten is 144hz at 800x600.
I tried 640x480, even 320x240, and it wouldn't go to 180hz.
>>3224449
Do I need to set 16 bit color or some memery?
>>3224431
>Which TVs used the Sony CXA2025AS US decoder IC?
It would make more sense to find out which chassis did use these, then just search TVs with that chassis.
>Apparently that produced vivid reds on NES NTSC composite video.
The TDA8362/8361 does that too, the colorbar patterns produced by both /vr/ gear and PC S-Video in NTSC mode had an significant boost in red, the reason why I saw a blue only mode (in my video processor/switcher) as pointless for NTSC hue calibration purposes.
Only that colorbar pattern was an awful sight as it looked very wrong but everything else looked pretty okay with the right hue setting.
>>3224687
I saw it in the manual
>>3224707
Well then, if Windows doesn't show any options for 180hz refresh rates, you may have to get wild and install a monitor profile/inject profiles. Check if Viewsonic ever offered a program to do this or driver (I doubt they did but who knows).
>>3224720
That's what I'm saying.
I used my graphics card dealy to make new profiles. That's how I was able to do 800x600 at 120hz and 144hz. Also 2048x15something at 60.
When I try anything at 180 it messes up.
>>3224736
Found your answer:
http://www.manualslib.com/manual/266469/Viewsonic-G810.html?page=6#manual
Seems 180hz is only possible at 640x480, which you already tried.
Maybe it's your graphics card or Windows.
Is the Zenith Z25A64W a good TV?
>>3224736
win7 and above have limits to refresh rate I think
Convince me not to blow a week's salary on these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-BVM-A20F1U-20-Broadcast-Monitor-w-BKM-62HS-HD-SDI-Module-BKM-16R-CP/191594837452
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-BKM-129X-Component-Analog-Input-card-/182124090735
>>3224849
You need that money to pay rent and the power bill for the monitor to run.
>>3224720
You don't need one from viewsonic specifically. You need an EDID editor and a way to find the EDID of your monitor.
I've done this in windows and OSX because they both suck (linux made it easy).
>>3224849
>$1084.02
>for a monitor with 25k hours from 06
>>3224849
if youre spending that much buy one of those new JVCs at least you know those wont get busted in shipping.
They have old JVC 17in stock on amazon for 999.
>>3224292
Okay, I emailed him pics too.
Note that the resistors he mailed me to use are way huge so I had to improvise a bit with them for the 'dimming' portion of the mod he wanted me to do.
Top side.
>>3224880
Bottom.
he supplied all the parts and just wanted me to solder them down - not that easy to fuck up.
>>3224849
Anon, the 129X is a half-size card for the 9-inch BVM and PVMs. It won't work with the A-series, you want the BKM 68X for that.
And If you're going to blow money on a BVM, go for one of the widescreen ones, IMO. Might as well us it for HD games, too.
>>3224891
Also
>1.1k Ohms resistors
You sure man?
>>3224906
He asked me to do exactly what was on the retrorgb page. So I did.
>>3224908
Think that guy used 75 Ohm.
Did you at least test it?
>>3224883
How can you solder as much as you do and leave bad joints like that? Stop adding the solder to the iron first and hoping it'll stick, mb?
>>3224891
>recap?
He didn't ask me to recap it, and anyway I've actually never had a SNES with bad caps. Also I only charged him $5 plus shipping for the whole thing since he supplied all the parts (except solder and heat shrink) and a SCART cable and adapter for BNC.
>Does the RF shield fit?
This SNES had no bottom RF shield. It was missing one of the screws on the bottom, so it could have been opened in the past. Should it have had a bottom RF shield? It only had a top one.
This is my first time seeing inside a SNES mini so I don't know what a stock one looks like if this isn't.
Also cleaned it out real good with q-tips and isopropyl alcohol and toothpicks, since that's a nice thing to do and I actually enjoy cleaning grime off consoles for some reason. Feels like auto detailing (what is done before car shows and auctions).
>>3224919
A dab of solder on the tip can help provide more surface area to transfer heat into the component you're soldering though. But yeah, shouldn't just flood the tip and hope enough transfers.
>>3224767
>>3224750
>win7 has refresh rate limits
fucking WHY
>>3224878
>>3224909
nm, found it: "DT-V1710CGU"
hmm... only 17" nominal, I was really looking for 20-25 inch nominal screens. I really like the size of my current 21" consumer set.
Also it seems to have the same problem as the links I posted yesterday - >>3223114 - the unit does not ship with the RGB/YPrPb card and they're impossible to find nowadays.
Can anyone recommend me any physical stores in the sf bay area to check out? I already know the usual thrift-store suspects, but I've never seen anything nice in them and I'm looking for a multiformat, 20"+ unicorn.
>>3224930
>actually goes to the snes mini page
>ctrl+f brightness
>1.1kohm
http://retrorgb.com/snesminirgb.html
>>3224928
>He didn't ask me to recap it, and anyway I've actually never had a SNES with bad caps
Haven't messed with many. I do it regardless but I get the customer didn't care.
>This SNES had no bottom RF shield.
I was mistaken there. They don't.
What does the picture look like?
>>3224938
Ah ok the 1chips he recommends 750 ohm. The mini is 1.1k ohm.
>>3224880
>resistors
Those are capacitors right?
>>3224883
Never mind now I see the resistor pic. Watch thread from phone.
>>3224885
If anyone buys a wide BVM, PLEASE only use it for HD games. Don't burn in the center of the screen by playing 4:3 games. The uneven wear on the phosphors is really obvious and disappointing.
>>3224929
>A dab of solder on the tip can help provide more surface area to transfer heat into the component you're soldering though.
You gotta pre-tin for that to work properly though, or use your third hand to add more solder so the flux makes it take. Pre-tinning is a much better idea. But he's obviously not doing either, and doesn't give a shit.
>>3224935
The fact the joints are all making contact doesn't make them "good" joints. Google it. They're patchy, you can see through some of the holes still. If you don't lacquer that board those are going to go weak really fast, and even if you do, they're still a weak point.
>>3224981
Next shot, I think he meant. Those are like 2W resistors or something :)
>>3225018
>The fact the joints are all making contact doesn't make them "good" joints. Google it. They're patchy, you can see through some of the holes still. If you don't lacquer that board those are going to go weak really fast, and even if you do, they're still a weak point.
One hell of a google parrot you got going on there.
The work the guy did is fine.
>>3224991
There is low resolution 16:9 very few but some do it. I have a PS1 ghost in the shell game that has an in menu option for widescreen. Suprised the shit outta me to see it.
I assume its 480i 16x9 i doubt it would be 240p 16x9 at that point though I havent had a chance to try it yet.
Still trying to find or build a decent stand to house/hold 3 CRTs all at once.
>>3224991
I've found a really nice widescreen BVM that I plan to play my retro games on.
>>3224939
I don't have all the electrolytics for a total SNES recap, anyway. And I'd have to charge more than $5 if I was recapping the console.
Picture looks really great. Not sure if it's better than my 1chip in terms of crispness but the overall quality of the amp IC being used makes me think it could well be (fast response).
A bit dimmer than my 1chip and my Genesis with RGB, about the intensity of s-video or composite video. Doesn't bother me since I just turn down contrast on my RGB consoles personally.
>>3225018
I do pre-tin, and you are obviously a piece of shit.
I know what a cold joint is. I reflowed when I made a bad one, and applied flux (this solder has rosin core, but I applied additional flux where needed).
>>3225024
Indeed that's what I meant. Looked like resistors from an old tube amp or something.
>>3225026
Thank you. I think he's just prejudiced against me because of my name.
@ 16:9 PVMs, I'd be okay with 4:3 and a masking bezel. Also I could get used to the burn in without a bezel, I have burn-in on my IBM RS232 ASCII terminal already.
Still, I'd try to avoid getting a 16:9 one just because 4:3 ones are plentiful and I'd prefer for the 16:9 ones to stay in proper condition for 16:9 use.
>>3225040
You sunavabitch. I have a particular set of skills. I will find you and take your widescreen BVM away if you use it for SD shit. I will leave a PVM 9L2 behind as my calling card. It won't have the analog input card.
>>3225018
also,
>They're patchy, you can see through some of the holes still.
You don't seem to realize that:
a) you don't need to solder all the pins on the multi-AV port for RGB.
b) due to a), many of the holes for pins don't even have solder pads, they just have solder resist (the blue stuff, traditionally it'd be green stuff) surrounding the pads. I would have put pads on all of them to reinforce the board, but I didn't design the board, unfortunately. I think some older revisions of the board had solder pads on each unused pin, though.
Has anyone had any console with bad cap?
>>3225026
>One hell of a google parrot
Sure it was, because I have absolutely zero experience with soldering.
>The work the guy did is fine.
Lol, ok. Enjoy having it fail in five years time.
>>3225136
>a) you don't need to solder all the pins on the multi-AV port for RGB.
Which affects your shoddy workmanship on the joints that are there how, precisely?
>b) due to a), many of the holes for pins don't even have solder pads.
So that silver ring around the blue line, that you completely failed to wet and produce an good joint on, is just a reflection? I will admit it might be the light, but if there is a pad there then you don't seem to realise that:
a) soldering is not just a case of heating metal
b) if all you do is a) you can expect bad joints and failure five to ten years down the line when the weak points corrode
So which is it?
>>3225273
>Lol, ok. Enjoy having it fail in five years time.
How is it going to fail?
I'm not saying his work is pretty. It isn't. But it's fine in terms of functionality.
>So that silver ring around the blue line, that you completely failed to wet and produce an good joint on, is just a reflection? I will admit it might be the light, but if there is a pad there then you don't seem to realise that:
Try not being an ignorant retard. It may help. Not all those pins get soldered on that board.
my bvm seems to be emitting a louder whine than usual, is this anything to be worried about?
I'm playing a Wii over component, if that matters.
>>3225306
>Not all those pins get soldered on that board.
Wait, what? If it doesn't get used, why solder a wire to it? I'm talking about the joint at end with the permanent marker on the brown mainboard, labelled "B". Not the one on the blue amp board, that one is obviously empty. My bad if it's not actually the blue video line.
>How is it going to fail?
Why are cold joints bad?
>>3225352
>My bad if it's not actually the blue video line.
It is. Those three through-holes go to the bottom of the video encoder
It might just be the lighting, but a lot of those connections look awfully grungy, either from flux or something else.
>>3225352
It looks fine to me man. No idea what you're talking about,.
I've been banging my head against the wall with this issue for the past 5 hours so I figured I'd check in here.
I have a recently acquired Audio Authority Model 9A60 (a small, solid VGA/RGBHV to YPbPr Transcoder) and I'm trying to figure out how to push a 240p signal out from it.
My source is a generic Dell Latitude laptop with intel HD graphics 4000 which I have been struggling to get working with soft15khz. While I have been able to change the resolution of my chained monitors being fed via component (A BVM 145FU and a BVM D20F1U) to 320x240. However, despite this adjustment becoming available from screwing around with soft-15khz and quickres, the actual horizontal scan rate seems to not have changed from 31Khz, leaving my BVM 14F5U unable to sync and my D20F1U still stuck in 480p mode.
I seem to be at the end of my rope for software solutions since there are apparently none for people stuck with intel integrated graphics (work laptop), so I wanted to ask if anyone knows of a quality, minimal lag-inducing COMPONENT YPbPr Downscaler.
It needs to be able to accept 31Khz 480p (According to my D20F1U) and output 240p 15Khz with both the input and the output being YPbPr. I figure I can kill two birds with one stone and become able to use arcade emulation on my monitors in 240p as well as downscale PS2/Xbox 360 video output as well.
The reason it needs to be component is I'm planning to tie this into a component switcher with my other component systems since I don't plan on doing VGA to SCART any time soon.
Pictured: The Issue in action.
There also appears to be a slight sync issue on the bottom monitor though I have heard the 9A60 could have issues with timings from certain sources but I haven't adjusted this particular channel from my Playstation 2 setup either.
>>3225381
You can clearly see a line between the ring and the wire on both sides of the board. That's a bad joint. If you can't see that there's no fucking way I would trust you to solder anything anywhere ever. And I shudder to think what that extra spike of silvery metal is, the one obscuring the first part of the line leading to the "B" in marker.
The whole job is, at best, slapdash.
