Why is 2000 the retro cutoff? Why not 2001, the end of the second millenium?
Why are you on /vr/ and not on /v/
Same answer
Why isn't music from the 20's considered classical? It's almost 100 years old.
Why isn't really old furniture considered antique? C'mon, old and antique are the same thing.
games from 2000-2010 aren't retro, theyre oldschool
>the PS2 will never be retro
Just murder me sempai
why is the cutoff for the enlightenment 1815?
I am enlightened by my intelligence, not because of any phony god’s blessing.
>>3207686
Check any other place with reasonable people and you'll see GC, PS2, GBA are all considered retro.
Not in this place though. Here we simply neglect consoles that the rest of the world considers retro without even giving a sensible reason of why. The retards simply don't care. Just take a look at all the shitposting over this post and you'll see what I mean.
>>3207713
Is there any music worth noting from the 1920s? Serious question. I'm sure theres probably some Russian composers back then making some amazing scores but I don't really think 1920s and music.
Also OP I think retro is 15 years and older. So, yeah, 2001 should be considered retro this year.
>>3207804
reddit doesn't even include dreamcast, facebook groups are probably the only place that would include 6th gen as retro, Other than reddit, here and doublecha.n where is there active imageboards discussing old games
>>3207804
then go there, dipshit.
>>3207804
Please tell me what group doesn't separate 1st-5thgen from the later gens?
>>3207817
There was a lot of jazz and blues, too bad sound recording back then was so rudimentary that it's almost unlistenable.
NEVER EVER SIXTH GEN KIDDIES
FUCKING DEAL WITH IT, AAAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>>3207804
>IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
>WHAT ABOUT _MY_ NOSTALGIA! IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR!!!!!
>>3207804
changing the cut-off date would alienate the wizards.
>>3207804
>Check any other place with reasonable people and you'll see GC, PS2, GBA are all considered retro
[citation needed]
6th gen won't be retro until the kids that grew up with 7th gen consoles take over /v/. I give it about five years before the 2000s rule gets changed here to encompass the entire 6th gen. It may be worth it to try and change the rule to let in GCN once the new Nintendo console is released, just to test the waters. Obviously there will be a ton of shitposting right after the rule gets changed, but I think eventually 6th genners will learn to coexist with everyone else. This board is mainly 4th gen posting anyways, and I don't think that will ever change.
>>3207713
>Why isn't music from the 20's considered classical?
It is though you massive ignoramus.
>>3208336
"Classical" is a genre, educate yourself before spouting shit.
>>3207713
But there is classical music from the 20s, just like every other decade.
>>3207713
So is romantic considered the /v/ of music?
it isnt
>>3208175
>IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
>WHAT ABOUT _MY_ NOSTALGIA! IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR!!!!!
thats the same reaction you tards have towards 6th gen though
It's not really about becoming retro is it?
This place mostly focuses on a pre-2k vidya. Why hasn't this place been renamed to /vp2k/ yet?
Retro cutoff should be 1995. The N64 and PS1 pioneered shitty modern games and are in no way retro.
>>3207732
They're not oldschool either.
>>3208625
Problem is you'd leave out decent PC gaming with that well. 2000 isn't the best, it's just a compromise.
>>3208625
Come on man. You got to do the whole copypasta and image of the Mario 64 review.
>>3208624
Because it's about playing 'retro era' games. Not just older or old games. Most retro era games were designed with retro era principles. Post 2K those principles largely don't exist in game development anymore.
0/10. Should not troll again. Not even doing it right.
2000 is the end of the millennium.
2001 would be the first year of the new one.
>>3207732
>2010
>oldschool
You fucking tween faggots are an embarrassment.
In The Iso Zone all 6th gen and games up to 2008 with a few exceptions are considered retro.
Anti-warez fags retreat.
>>3207761
I actually laughed out loud. 10/10.
>>3208625
The PlayStation launched on 12/3/1994 in Nipland, so it narrowly avoids your cutoff point.
>>3207732
You are so, so wrong.
If you weren't born in the 80s you aren't a real 90s kid either, you're just a late millennial/early gen z twat.
cause the board rules says that the cut off point is 2000
>>3209079
But what if you were born in the early 90's but you were a poofag and grew up in the early 2000s with a NES and a Pentium 100 cause your parents could not afford any better? (My case).
I didn't get post-2000 hardware until 2009 (not PC or consoles)
MGS1 is the first modern game. therefore, anything after it isn't retro
>>3209460
No, you're not allowed to be cool here.
This place is for people who have nothing going for them besides for being older than someone else.
>>3208221
Please no. I wouldn't be able to handle the influx of Melee faggots and dipshits beating off over Wind Waker.
>>3207686
maybe because the term "next gen" was being used for the first time with the 6th gen
>>3208589
A "genre" which was flourishing in the 20s.
>>3208164
That's not how music works.
>>3209460
You're still a 2000s kid. Sorry.
>>3209482
>This place is for people who have nothing going for them besides for being older than someone else
And frankly, it only works up to a certain age. When you're 14, you could lord it over a 10 year old, but when you're 80, what the fuck advantage is there over being 50?
>>3209849
You need to read up on your music history bud
>>3209873
I meant you can still play 20s music today. Music isn't something unreproducible.
>>3207686
META THREADS = NOT RETRO
SAGED
REPORTED
HIDDEN
Because this is one of the most autistic boards on 4chan and they want to pretend it is still the 1990's here so they don't have to spend ALL day in their current shit NEET lives wondering what went wrong. The vidya from the 90s are the only thing that keeps them from hanging themselves as they use nostalgia as a refuge.
>>3207804
If /vr/ allows those consoles, people will start asking why the DS isn't retro because "it came out during the 6th gen." If the DS is allowed, people will ask why the Xbox 360 isn't allowed, because "it came out during the 6th generation and came out a year after the DS." If the Xbox 360 is allowed, people will ask why the Wii and PS3 aren't allowed, because "they came out a year after the Xbox 360 and the DS was still alive then!"
This will happen because this is how the Dreamcast was allowed onto /vr/, people kept complaining about it due to the cutoff date.
The line must be drawn or else /vr/ is pointless. In other words, shut the fuck up.
>>3210019
I personally think if 4chan is going to live in 2020s, we'll have the sixth generation here.
Kids will finally become mature so those threads like >>2698389 shown will barely exist.
Just make >>>/vr2k/ for anything after Dreamcast and fuck off
Then everyone is happy
Wow so hard
We don't allow 6th gen games for a good reason. Do you want 12 year old Gaylo shit babbies posting here? I don't.
>>3210043
Sure. It's always nice to get new blood around here, or else discussion gets a bit bland with everyone acting like a pretentious oldfag.
>>3210062
How about you go to /v/?
>>3207817
Robert Johnson.
>>3207738
480i, the console
it deserves that
>>3209904
Sure you can play a song created in the 20's today, if you make something in the style of the 20's music, it's no different than playing Undertale. It's not a part of the era it emulates.
>>3210132
>Sure you can play a song created in the 20's today, if you make something in the style of the 20's music
Why you would need to make something in the style of the 20's music when you can play actual 20's music?
>>3210152
Have you tried listening to a 78 record from the 1920s? It's pretty bad.
>>3210152
What's your point then? You can play old music as it was released just the same as old video games. If you make something new that emulates the old, because you like the aesthetic or whatever, it doesn't mean it belongs to that old era of media.
>>3209856
Yes of course, but I barely had any access to 21st century games until 2009, so being a millenial I still grew up like a 90's kid.
I literally got excited when I got a second-hand SNES in 2006 (I was 13 and I had saved pennies for over a year).
>>3207686
cuz rulz dork
>>3208637
Define those principles
>>3210158
>playing music
>the same as listening to it
>>3207713
Classical. No.
Retro? Yes.
i think vr will be replaced by the virtual reality board in near future.
then they will rename the retro board to vgr or something.
if there is a vr then there also should be a vm - vidya millenial.
why is there even a vg board? they should delete it and replace it with vm
>>3213170
Unlikely because VR is already a flop. The fad is over.
>>3210019
>If /vr/ allows those consoles, people will start asking why the DS isn't retro because "it came out during the 6th gen." If the DS is allowed, people will ask why the Xbox 360 isn't allowed, because "it came out during the 6th generation and came out a year after the DS." If the Xbox 360 is allowed, people will ask why the Wii and PS3 aren't allowed, because "they came out a year after the Xbox 360 and the DS was still alive then!"
Uh no? this thread is about people arguing if the dreamcast is 5.5 gen or not (it isnt, see widespread online gaming)
No one is arguing or ever will be arguing that the DS is 6.5 gen
The people who had a DS for a nostalgia console are posting on /v/ now and probably will continue to do so for generations to come
>>3213187
>look at my wikipedia link, im so smart
>>3213137
Not him but a fun and instantly playable game would be a big one that is completely gone. Arcade games being the biggest example of that.
>>3208657
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_millennium
>"The second millennium is a period of time that began on January 1, 1001 and ended on December 31, 2000 of the Gregorian calendar."
I hope you're not baiting you retard
>>3213175
you will be laughed at in the future if i screencap this
>>3213201
You just said what I did...
>>3213204
Sorry mate but I've got history on my side.
So i guess it's all settled, Hiro should create the boards:
/vr2k/ for post 2000's games
/vga/ for alternative generals (like the doom one here)
/vc/ for videogame journalism and the culture that surrounds videogames
/rv/ an experimental board for posting like if you were on old v
/vrp/ for retro pokemon
/vrsfw/ for safe for work related /vr/ content (/vr/ should stop being a blue board, it would make it more interesting).
/vq/ for videogame related request
/vrjp/ for retro gaming related japanese culture
Any there any other necessary boards to maintain the balance between gamers in 4chan?
>>3207713
Are you fucking stupid? Classical is a genre. That's like saying there were no jrpgs after 2000.
>>3213476
>let's turn a slow board into bunch of death ones!
People that have issues with /vr/ should just go to /v/
>>3207686
I really wish we could talk about GBA and Gamecube and PS2 games here, or whatever else but /v/ was only for shitposting and current generations.
I have no friends and love talking about games I grew up with and yet I don't know enough about most of the things /vr/ talks about.
>>3213201
>"The second millennium is a period of time that began on January 1, 1001 and ended on December 31, 2000 of the Gregorian calendar."
>1999 - one thousand, nine hundred, nine tens and 9 units
>2000 - two thousands, no hundreds, no tens, no units
>somehow this is not the start of a new millennium
I fucking hate people.
retro
Retro is late 20th to early 21st century.
>>3207686
this is actually a good argument, never thought of it.
Because of Prince 1999 and Futurama in my mind the new millenium started in 2000.
retro is 2006
retro is last year
retro
/retro/
>>3209909
Its against the rules to announce youve reported someone
/halo/
>>3213592
I hope you reported him
I like retro game
>>3213592
but I didn't announce anything. all I did was type the word "REPORTED"
>>3213592
Vintage porn is all good though
> Mentions trump get banned
GTA San Andreas
>>3213552
Sorry time doesnt work like you think.
Write your congressman about it.
>>3213476
/bsg/ for Belt Scrollers General
>>3213623
>like you think.
My point is that it doesn't work like the decimal system, the number base we, people, use for counting instances of a thing.
Imagine if we arbitrarily changed how base 2 works while designing computer components.
>>3213493
>jrpg is a genre
WEW
>>3208971
>thinking TIZ is a respectable site
>>3213634
It works like counting things.
So am I the only one who sees the vintage porn or what?
>>3213785
No it doesn't. That's my entire point.
2000 is two thousands, second millenia.
2001 is two thousands and one unit, second millenia plus one.
>>3213191
you were doing well there but this is just blatant
>>3213876
Things
Your first ten apples end when you get to 10.
Your second ten start when you get 11.
>>3214004
>apples
I knew it would come to this.
You don't pick a 0.01 of an apple. If a millenium ends when the last year ticks over to 0, what happens to the fractional part? Does it just not count until we reach the next integer?
>>3208119
Yeah all the stupid Facebook groups my brother invites me too about retro trading all have PSP/ds/NGC/Xbox/ps2
>>3207713
you mong
>>3210152
Same reason bands wolfmother sound like led zeppalin. Because they like the music and enjoy creating something similar
>>3213187
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th-century_classical_music
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_period_(music)
this is why this is 'retro' board that deals with specific generations. Yes PS2 is classical/retro/old now. It's still not in the right period of retroness that we want to discuss it here.
this is like going to a classical forum and discussing modernism. You meant to go to a 'classical music' group because you like orchestras, and don't know the terminology. So you accidentally ended up in a classical music group which is really a very specific timeframe and style and anyone that knows anything about orchestral music could tell you all about the differences.
> this is like going to a classical forum and discussing modernism. You meant to go to a 'classical music' group because you like orchestras, and don't know the terminology. So you accidentally ended up in a classical music group which is really a very specific timeframe and style and anyone that knows anything about orchestral music could tell you all about the differences.
I get your metaphor (and it's fully valid), but modernist music is every bit as focused on orchestra/piano/traditional chamber ensembles as classical-period music.
"Classical" is also commonly used as a synonym for western art music, and it's some middle-brow shit to give people grief for "misusing" the term. I'd much rather people say "classical period music" to make themselves fucking clear.
>>3210041
That doesn't sound like a bad idea. It could be a board for 6th and 7th gen stuff. /v/ can be for 8th gen stuff. /vr/ can be for anything before 2000.
>>3214821
Or they could just start their own /vg/ thread. Also I think old-timey porn might be my new fetish. Thanks /vr/.
>>3213809
It's retro brah
>>3213880
>implying I'm the guy you were replying to
You, sir, are a fucking idiot.
>>3214081
Dont think of the apple as a day or minute. Theyre the smallest measurement of whatever your counting.
If the millennium ends at 0, then 0.000000001 (or however many 0s you want to shove in there to try to be a smartass) is 1 apple.
>>3207738
>the year 3016
>games are now completely biological where you download them directly to your brain and they feel every bit as real as reality and you control them with just a mere thought
>archaic PS2 with its babby controls that require you to use your hands and need to be played on a TV (which have been obsolete for 900 years and no long even exist anymore) is still considered not retro all because moot arbitrarily said so
>>3209904
Only if you still have the sheet music, which in most cases has been lost to time now. The scant few recordings are so grainy and bad that it's hard to hear them correctly and even try to write down the notes. Even if you did it wouldn't be 100% the same song.
PS2 is not retro. It could do too many new things and is still comparable to PS3 & PS4
- PS2 uses optical disc. PS4 & XBOX uses optical disks.
- PS2 could use internet.
- PS2 had some DLC (MGS3, Timesplitters 3 Maps, etc.)
- PS2 has expandable memory, USB / Firewire ports, hard drive.
- PS2 had Eyetoy, sort of like kinect and lots of specialty controllers.
- Most of the gameplay of PS2 games is similar (OR BETTER!) than PS4 games.
There is no big difference except for memory and bandwidth. This is a huge difference between PS1 and PS2 games. By the end of the PS2s reign, it was a totally new era for gaming. This had more to do with its media capability, expansions, and standard ports (like digital optical). We had games with stories, facial animation, huge cutscenes, interactive media, surround sound. You could do almost anything on the PS2. PS3 and PS4 seem to have more restrictions on what you can do, but some new innovations which aren't so much related to the hardware.
>>3216405
>uses optical disc
Really?
>could use internet
Dreamcast
>had some DLC
Dreamcast. Expansion packs. Sonic and Knuckles.
>has expandable memory
N64. Sega Saturn.
>had Eyetoy
Lightguns. The NES alone had a lot of weirdly interactive controllers.
Of all of the valid arguments, why did you pick these?
>>3216405
>PS2 uses optical disc. PS4 & XBOX uses optical disks.
Jaguar CD, SEGA CD, PS1
> PS2 could use internet.
Sega Meganet (Megadrive), Satellaview (Super Famicom), SEGA Dreamcast
>PS2 had some DLC (MGS3, Timesplitters 3 Maps, etc.)
Dreamcast
>PS2 has expandable memory, USB / Firewire ports, hard drive.
Point taken, though you have memory cards and expansion packs in earlier consoles.
>PS2 had Eyetoy, sort of like kinect and lots of specialty controllers.
From the NES to the PS1 there are all sorts of revolutionary accesories of the sort.
>Most of the gameplay of PS2 games is similar (OR BETTER!) than PS4 games.
That is rather subjective and I could argue the same for earlier games.
Nevertheless I still think the PS2 is not retro, in 2020 or 2025 maybe, but not really because of the reasons you mentioned.
>>3216470
Also I'm not Op, forgot to delete the alias lol
>>3216405
Is there a reason why you're associating the disc medium with strictly PS2?
Could Dreamcast not use internet?
Did the Gameboy not have a port for a cable that bears a strong resemblance to Firewire? If I recall, you could plug a camera accessory into the Gameboy and then print it using a printer accessory using said Firewire port.
Woah...
>>3216238
i love you, my hero
If time is the definition of retro, the PS2 is retro by now. If the general mood and style of the games is the definition of retro, then change the rules and allow all Nintendo consoles and handhelds up to and including the Wii U. The best-selling games on those systems are similar in tone to games currently defined as retro. In addition, modern retro-style games should be allowed.
>unspoilered porn dump is still up after a day
Holy fuck does /vr/ really not have any mods?
>>3207686
2001 is when the GeForce 3 and DirectX8 was released. Hardware shaders and dev friendly API helped bring about a new era in 3D GRFX.
BANE?
>>3210019
None of those threads are worse than the ones we have now.
>DUDE LOOKS LIKE A LADY DOESN'T SOUND AS GOOD ON THE GENESIS
>OVERRATED GAMES GENERAL
>JAMES ROLFE IS A KEK
>this thread
People here act like they're the holy protectors of /vr/ as if anything here is worth defending.
