I hope you're not still using these, /vr/.
RF master race
There's nothing wrong with composite.
>>3198297
FUCK THE COLOR YELLOW
>>3198304
Why not? It's how they were intended to be displayed.
Of course not, I use hdmi to display the emulator window
There is no excuse to use this. Its an awful cable that does not deliver a clear image. Please use either S-video or RGB SCART. This is with a CRT monitor.
If you are using LCD I reccomend to just emulate. Upscalers are expensive if you are spending that kind of money just buy a really good CRT.
Tldr
PS1 games on my PS3 look stunning because I am not using this awful connection.
>>3198605
What if you're playing NES? You're stuck with RF or composite (not even that if you have an original famicom), unless you mod it extensively and expensively.
>>3198605
No they look stunning because the PS3 emulates the games at higher than normal resolution
>>3198618
RF is good on a CRT.
Adding S-video is well documented modification done on the NES. However if you want to keep your console original I get it. I use RF on my PAL SNES and the image is good though so its up to you.
>>3198621
And the image also isn't going over shit-tier cables but rather high tier HDMI or component on the PS3.
As that anon said, S-Video or RGB offers a crisper, clearer image instead of composite and all for the same price as regular composite cables. Downside is you need a TV and console that supports them.
Emulation over HDMI is also acceptable.
>>3198647
I have my PS2 running over component. Looks ace. Shame that standard is not still used.
>playing my old consoles with my old TV with my old cables comfily in my bedroom
>some raging 20 year old hipster starts screaming from inside my PC
>"COMPOSITE? MORE LIKE COMPOSHIT! YOUR DISPLAY SETUP SUCKS!!"
>turn my head, give him a doubtful sight, and continue playing my game
>"CAN'T YOU HEAR ME? YOUR DISPLAY SUCKS! WHY DON'T YOU PLAY ON PROFESSIONAL MONITORS FROM TV CHANNELS WITH THICK AS FUCK SCANLINES AS DEVS INTENDED!?"
>close the tab so the nerd stops yelling at me for how I've always played and enjoyed my games
>mfw
>>3198662
>professional monitors
Only if you live in a third world americuck country.
>>3198671
>50hz
>>3198647
Oh nooooo. It's not like adjusting the brightness or contrast on my TV set won't fix that completely. Oh wait, it will.
>>3198662
>close the tab
>but not before writing a massive blog post
S-video is pretty spiffy.
I remember when I got my first s-video TV in 1997 and switched to using my Saturn on it. Had been on an Amdek composite monitor from 1982 until that point. It was nice to be rid of those composite dots on the edges of everything.
>>3198292
I still use them for consoles that aren't compatible with s-video or better. Why wouldn't I?
>>3198292
But my CRT TV is composite only.
If I wanted a clear image I'd just use my CRT monitor.
>>3198676
>literally retarded
NESRGB costs something like $70. That's pretty fucking expensive for a mod.
>>3198673
Basically all European TVs have supported 60hz NTSC since the late 80s. They also all support RGB. There's no way around it, they're just better than American ones.
American and Japanese games being released here slowed down with borders is another problem entirely.
>>3198694
Not to mention you'd be altering the console.
I personally see modded consoles as less valuable due to being hijacked by a third person, even if it's an "enhancement".
>>3198671
You know, actually 3rd world countries have a lot of variety when it comes to signals.
I'm from latin america, in the 80s and early 90s, most TVs here were PAL-N, and the consoles we got here (most of them Famiclones) were also PAL-N at 50hz.
But around late 80s/early 90s, new TVs started being multinorm, that means they can display both PAL-N and NTSC so you could use both PAL and NTSC systems on these.
Also, although not common, it was possible to find TVs and monitors with SCART around here.
So we got like a mixture of both PAL and NTSC in here, you could choose.NTSC is better.
>>3198618
>>3198676
>>3198694
>>3198703
I paid, I think, US$75 after shipping for my NESRGB. Totally worth it.
>>3198662
>playing video games
>have hallucinations about someone coming into my room and yelling at me
>go onto /vr/, go into a thread that someone made to suggest that people improve their experience, and go on a rant
>>3198723
NTSC has a far inferior picture. If you're not playing games made for NTSC PAL is much better, but even then PAL60 exists.
>>3198764
I'm sure it is worth it, but it's also pretty damn expensive considering you can get the NES itself for cheaper than that.
>>3198771
Triggered 20 year old hipster detected.
Also, OP is bait, not suggestions.
>>3198803
>NTSC has a far inferior picture
>far inferior
>far
I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's a small improvement but ultimately there's other options like RGB and S-video, yadda yadda, you know how it goes. Without PAL60 mod, PAL sucks for any japanese game.
>>3198808
It's not called Never Twice the Same Colour for nothing.
>>3198845
Ah, the spirit of Australia-kun is around even when he's banned.
Go tell that to the japanese developers who worked with NTSC anyway.
If you only enjoy european games, then PAL all the way, I guess.
>>3198703
>svideo controller ports
>>3198292
There's no s video for genesis tho
>>3198872
You can mutilate your console for it though :^)
>>3198605
>There is no excuse to use this.
It's all the Genesis has besides RF and I'm not comfortable with modding.
>>3198292
Composite on my old CRT looks better than RGB on my projector.
>>3198878
The Mega Drive supports RGB straight out of the box. Stop being an americuck.
>>3198889
>50hz
>mutilating your Sega piece of history just to get a "better" image
Just emulate, idiot.
>>3198893
>sega history
There's millions of the fucking things you twat
>>3198903
There were millions, billions of dinosaurs in the past too.
Doesn't mean it's OK to make holes and mutilate these old fossils just for fun.
>>3198893
Who said anything about 50hz or modding? Just don't use a shitty American TV.
>>3198921
Alright, I'll use a japanese one.
>>3198605
Cga
>>3198906
Sure it is, they're not using them.
>>3198880
I think that might just mean you have a shitty projector
>>3198925
Or you could use a European one. 60Hz and RGB.
>>3198945
How about a Multinorm 60hz PAL/NTSC latin-american TV?
>>3198965
Sure, that works too.
I don't feel like pouring money into mods, so I still use composite for my NES. I mean, a mod would be nice, but ultimately it's just an extra enhancement to an image that was already intended to be displayed in nothing better than composite.
I do use S-video or component for everything else, though.
>>3198980
For consoles like NES or Genesis, that have near perfect emulation, it's really not worth it. Just connect your PC/whatever device you're using to emulate to a CRT and use whatever the fuck you want, even lookin' good filters for shit and giggles.
>>3199034
>NES
>near-perfect emulation
lmao
>>3199069
Sorry, I meant Famicom:^)
>>3198292
It's fine on a CRT
also I like the detail it adds to Genesis so there
Got $90 to spend on a Gamecube component cable?
>>3199138
U mean 220
>>3198636
Really? Cuz I thought the only way to get S-Video is same way you get RGB, getting the NESRGB board and rolling that way.
>>3198694
Considering the cost of the old mod (A Playchoice10) $75 shipped isn't actually that bad. It's not about it being a mod, it's about the price relative to the other/existing options.
>>3199153
You're correct. The stock NES PPU can't output S-video or RGB without an extra device (NESRGB) or replacement PPU (from the Playchoice arcade boards),
those were so fragile they would break so easily if you played with them a little
Don't mod a fucking NES, just wait till RetroUSB's AVS comes out and then just mount your NES for display
OP does this trigger you?
>>3198292
My 7800 works just fine on RF, no need for a yellow devil.
>>3199256
Nope. Personally I don't give a shit what you play on, just a quick PSA for those that don't know.
>>3198687
I can't speak for old TVs, but on a monitor display in the modern day for video recording and web viewing, I very much prefer the look of s-video. There's something about that sharpen glow that boosts clarity but doubles as a vintage filter. Component/RGB is way too sharp and reminds me of emulation or a really low res PC game with no anti-aliasing.
but OP, my tv only has RF and composite outputs
Only for consoles that don't support better. Namely the Twin Famicom and PC Engine Duo. I use RGB SCART for all the rest of my fourth and fifth generation consoles, VGA for Dreamcast, component for the rest of sixth gen and Wii and HDMI for everything else modern.
>>3199297
One of my tvs I use only has rf, looks fine to me. I don't know why people are so anal about what others use.
>>3199329
Who gives a fuck, they're just shit ass 16bit games. Cry me a river fuccboi.
>>3199329
>composite to play blurays on their HDTV?
On HDTV it looks like ass, but if you want to play PS3 games on a CRT, composite looks good.
I play some PS3 games on crt to avoid any kind of lag, especially fighting games. The only bad thing is that the text is too small but otherwise good image.
>>3199312
Thanks for joining us this evening.
>>3199312
Jesus dude you type like shit.
>>3199367
Because YOU'RE A PIG GUY
>>3199371
HES A FROG YOU IDIOT, A FROG
>>3198702
Sorry, your format isn't meant for games. 50Hz games are butchered. Forever.
>>3199371
>4U
Who can mod my top loader for A/V?
>>3198723
Yeah, you are right, Brazil here.
>>3198292
Composite blends dithering and makes more colors and transparencies. Its easier to hook up and most people used rf/composite for home consoles until maybe ps2 or xbox 360.
Composite looks fine if you have a tv with a good comb filter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niKblgZupOc
>>3198804
This, if I really want to play in componnent I'll just use my Wii.
>>3199173
Why do you need a playchoice-10?
>>3199329
What didn't you understand about my post? The tv only supports Rf.
>>3199329
I have an HD CRT with no HDMI, better believe i'm using component cables.
>>3199440
Then play it in NTSC. 60Hz, unbutchered games. Do you people not understand that European TVs support both NTSC and PAL, 60Hz and 50Hz, while also supporting RGB?
You can bring up the consoles being released with shit-tier downgrades over here, but the TVs are just better. There's nothing stopping me from playing my American (or NTSC-modded, it's ridiculously cheap & easy) Genesis on my European TV in 60Hz while also supporting RGB right out of the box.
>>3198671
You must be jealous of their superior 9inch displays for ants that require custom cabling.
>>3198292
Still use it for my Genesis and NES everything else up to the Dreamcast is s-video
>>3199256
>Xbox 360 connected via composite
>>3199256
>not having the Xbox 360 connected to a VCR then coax connected to a HDTV
This setup needs work.
>>3199563
Those are still some of the best TV's even if incredibly bulky and limited to only 720p... they pair up great with last gen consoles.
>>3198889
>The Mega Drive supports RGB straight out of the box
All consoles since the SMS generate RGB natively. However, you need a line doubler and a splitter box to split the composite sync to use it on a VGA monitor.
>>3198889
>Mega Drive supports RGB
And it looks like shit.
>le sharp pixels xD
>>3200881
You don't need any of those things if you're not an americuck. You just get an RGB SCART cable and plug it into any European TV.
Also, not all consoles generate RGB natively. The N64 has no RGB support. Weirdly, the PAL Gamecube supports RGB but not S-Video, while NTSC Gamecube supports S-Video but not RGB. I guess it makes sense, I don't think I've ever even seen an S-Video cable in my life.
>>3198845
Performance
Always
Lagging
Picture
Always
Lopsided
Pretending
Australia's
Legitimate
>>3200892
Nice filters. Doesn't really look like that on actual hardware though. RF looks terrible on an LCD and composite has dot crawl. If you're using a CRT then I'd say go for it, use RF. But if you're unfortunate enough to be stuck with an LCD screen, RGB looks a lot better.
In my case, I actually do have a CRT, and I'd be using RF if it wasn't for the fact that I don't have a remote and the Mega Drive's frequency seems to lay hidden between two of the preset channels so I can't tune in on it.
>>3200894
Some American TVs had RGB inputs; I remember seeing an RCA set with it once.
>>3200901
Seriously. PAL is a meme standard, what a stuttering piece of shit.
I've never had color issues with NTSC anyway.
>>3200912
Found it. This is what's known as a TV monitor, meaning that it's similar in function to the Sony PVMs, but has a tuner as well and these do have the SCART-type RGB input.
>>3200917
I mean in terms of any common, consumer-level TV having RGB input, you Ameriblubber idiot.
>>3200916
It was indeed rare for consoles to come with RGB SCART cables, except in France. They usually came with RF cables instead. However, pretty much every European TV from the 90's (possibly even the late 80's) supports RGB SCART, and these days you can buy RGB SCART cables for most consoles for a few pounds.
>>3200935
Just because it had the plugs doesn't mean it was used.
RGB in PALshit land was about as rare in America.
Maybe some of us are just to broke and or don't give a fuck
>>3200937
I'm not saying it wasn't. Except in France, where it was common because it was easier to bundle an RGB Cable than sort out yet another console for yet another TV system.
All I'm saying is it's easy as shit to get RGB working in Europe on most consoles.
>>3200943
France isn't an exception. They got composite also.
DC, N64, PS, 3DO, SNES=S-Video.
Genesis and NES=Composite
Good Enough.
I'm going to make a pic for the best burger consumer display native support interconnect vs RGB to YPbPr
>>3198292
I'll use whatever the fuck I damn well please.
Sometimes I still use coaxial connections.
>>3200946
The French NES only outputs in RGB. Don't get too excited though because the picture is still derived from composite, but it still outputs RGB nonetheless.
The French SNES came with an RGB SCART cable.
The French Master System came with an RGB SCART cable. Even the Master System II, which was downgraded to RF-only in other countries, had RGB in France.
French Mega Drives also come with RGB cable.
>>3200961
It's composite. Stop with this dumb ass internet rumor trash.
Almost nothing outside of PC in Europe used RGB. Video game or otherwise.
>>3200990
That's just false. What does it take to convince you that it is RGB? Because it really is.
>>3200994
I can throw a transcoder into my NES too. Guess what? It's still a composite source.
>>3200994
>>3200998
The NES was the only one in that list that you could argue wasn't really RGB. All those other consoles used true RGB, not composite.
>>3198723
Qual a sua idade ?
>>3201001
I'm not debating that. Those were hardly great selling consoles.
Europe didn't have close to the American household with consoles ratio until 6th and 7th.
SNES, Genesis, etc didn't come with RGB connectors in PALland.
Outside of random consoles? Nothing came with RGB.
>>3201009
I already said that the SNES and Mega Drive did in fact come with RGB cables in France. In the rest of Europe they tended to come with RF though.
Also, are you implying that the Master System didn't sell well? It sold better here than the NES did.
>>3201016
>Also, are you implying that the Master System didn't sell well? It sold better here than the NES did.
In 3rd world countries.
Consoles didn't have any kind of crazy household presence until the 6th generation in the 2000s.
>>3201018
The master system sold 6.8 million in Europe, with a large amount of those sales being in France and the UK. Not as much as some computers but that's hardly poor sales for the time.
The mega drive was pretty damn popular in Europe, and the PlayStation really exploded here.
Besides, what does sales have to do with anything? The point is that most French consoles did come with RGB cables.
>>3201026
>for the time.
You sure do have dogshit reading comprehension.
And that's nothing compared to American sales.
>>3201028
Compared to the 2 million sales in the US?
And again, this is completely irrelevant. You're trying to change the subject. Why can't you just admit you're wrong and that RGB was fairly common in video game consoles in France?
>>3201034
See NES sales.
>Why can't you just admit you're wrong and that RGB was fairly common in video game consoles in France?
I was talking about PALshit as a whole. Could care less about a specific shithole.
>>3201040
Not seeing the backtrack. Notice I'm talking about an exception.
I can tell you right now that not every console that went to France had RGB. In fact most didn't.
>>3201042
Please name some. I'm pretty sure the atari 2600 had SECAM, and I don't know about the N64 but as far as I'm aware it never had any RGB support. I can't think of many other /vr/ consoles that didn't come bundled with an RGB cable in France.
>>3201048
there were no production rgb N64's
>>3201048
1st/2nd gen consoles. Pretty much all of them.
3rd gen NES did not output RGB
4th gen. Some box shit with Genesis. Later SNES did not have the cable.
5thgen. No RGB on PS1 or N64.
>>3201053
Yeah, that's what I meant. I know there was no rgb 64. That and the Atari 2600 are the two I can think of off the top of my head, while the NES (Sort of), Mega Drive, Master System, SNES and most home computers of the late 80s and early 90s did use RGB.
>>3201061
>1st/2nd gen consoles. Pretty much all of them.
To clarify. No RGB output.
>>3199256
I like you
>>3201196
composite master race
>paying 100$ so that your 20 years old games look like 18 years old games
>>3201196
should I even ask whats the point of hooking them up to scart if your only using composite?
>>3203523
Maybe he just happened to have scart boxes available. I don't see very many devices where I am that actually have sockets for RCA cables, it's more common to just run them through a scart converter. There's no other real reason besides that.
>finally replace my dreamcast composite cable with scart
>picture is way sharper, even on a HD tv
>screen goes wavy as fuck when in 60hz mode
I knew I should have bought the official one
>>3204816
Never trust China shit ma man.
>>3204820
It was from Poland. I trusted them. Never again.
I'll try it on the CRT tomorrow but I'm not holding my breath.
>>3198605
>Its an awful cable that does not deliver a clear image.
Exactly. Clear images are dogshit for retro games. You want clear images on your DVD, Bluray and Television not video games.
>>3205817
Eh, I'd say it depends.
RF and Composite look just fine on a CRT but are horrible on an LCD. Ideally people would be using CRTs but not everybody has the space or wants to have a bulky old TV in their house. If somebody's going to use an LCD, I think they should at least use RGB as well. Ideally, though, CRT + RF/Composite is best.
>>3203471
it's more than that I looked into going from s-video to rgb>transcoder>YPbPr input on my current trinitron
$50 for a cheap transcoder that prob won't be that great
$40/ea for decent scart cables
$10 for an audio breakout
$20+ for a scart switch (have to import one)
$10 Component cable >transcoder to tv
it's not worth it unless you are using a pro monitor, S-video looks even better when you weigh the costs and also a scart setup is a giant mess
>>3205867
God I'm glad I live in Europe. The shitty PAL conversions (which I avoid) are a small price to pay to avoid that mess.
>>3205868
you have scart we have 60Hz. Your gaming shows were better hands down though.
>>3198292
I use it for cabletv and muh DVD player. It just werkz.
>>3205972
it was a widespread commercially available RGB cable it was alright in the 80s and 90s. Believe me I know I'm one of the faggots that brought up impendence, +5v, shielding and ground loops. If I had a PVM I would make my own coax bnc cables.
>>3205980
>it was a widespread commercially available RGB cable
It never was and still isn't.
>>3205984
>It never was and still isn't.
All VCRs, DVD players and consoles in my home were connected with SCART cables back then. Consoles and DVDs did support RGB
>>3205990
>All VCRs, DVD players and consoles in my home were connected with SCART cables back then
And didn't use RGB.
>Consoles and DVDs did support RGB
DVD is YPbPr.
SCART is a trash connector.
>>3205980
>If I had a PVM I would make my own coax bnc cables.
If only video connector cables for some consoles were easily available.
>>3198605
>PS1 games on my PS3
>ps3 has worse blurring than a ps2 with component
>>3205984
>It never was and still isn't.
Not in America.
In Europe it was the most common connector for hi-fi gear. Every set top box and VCR used it. DVDs all used it, even before component existed (and still use it today).
>DVD is YPbPr.
Component came out later, and it didn't matter cause most TVs supported scart rgb over component.
>>3205993
Are you that same guy from earlier who insisted that RGB wasn't that common, despite the fact that it kind of was? Sure, it wasn't *everywhere*, and hardware tended to come with composite cables included, but it's always been pretty easy to buy RGB cables for AV equipment and many people did.
>>3205993
>DVD is YPbPr.
It can be. Doesn't mean it always is. I've legit never seen a single person actually connect their shit with a component cable. Everybody I knew tended to use RGB SCART, or sometimes composite.
>>3198292
I have an S-Video on a CRT for my 64,and SNES. It looks really good for the SNES. The 64 looks like shit, but less shitty than normal.
>>3205993
This is a DVD player m8. Notice the Line 1 SCART and those 3 magic letters underneath it? Yeah...
>>3206637
EU-market DVD players did sometimes come with component output if they supported progressive scan. That was more towards the end of the format's evolution though. My example (Sony DVP-NS700V) is mid-high end from around 2000 and back then the best connection was indeed 21-pin as it's exclusively a 480i machine.
Looks glorious on my BVM btw.
>>3206701
>EU-market DVD players did sometimes come with component output if they supported progressive scan.
Oh, don't worry, I don't doubt that. I'm just saying I've personally seen a lot more DVD players hooked up with RGB SCART than with component.
>>3206631
RGB was common in the areas it was available in and virtually non-existant in all others. That's all the truth anyone needs.
Anecdotal evidence from people living in their respective areas only confirms its rarity for those areas, so an American shitposter will say it was nowhere and a European shitposter will say it was everywhere.
>>3206726
Well yeah there was very little point using it for DVD over here as pretty much nobody had a progressive display at that time. By the time Plasma and LCD was attainable for the average Giles, DVD was old hat and HDMI was the new standard.
Prior to that, SCART>* and component was pretty much a niche curiosity.
>>3206739
Reverse your scenario for component and it holds true as well.
Can't we all just get along?
