It's time for a Dragon Quest thread!
Which ones have you played? Are you playing one now? Do you have a favorite?
Favorite songs?
https://youtu.be/MOX4nd8zHIg
https://youtu.be/f0jJ2u2rk3k
https://youtu.be/qA6IfcvX_bU
Currently I am onVIII, and it's oustandingbut will be going back for V - VII following it. I can't wait. Especially since V is many people's favorite, I'm super curious about it.
*run*
>>3085606
Oh, and art is super appreciated. Here's one I hadn't seen before of the Hero's home in DQ4.
>>3085607
DAMN YOU
I think I'm going to get theAndroidversion of DQ4. DQ5's party chat on the DS was too great, and now I don't want to play a version of DQ4 that doesn't have it.
Played 1-3 so far. I keep procrastinating 4.
Starting snes III soon, right now grinding personalitites for my party. First time playing III, pretty excited.
I'm excited for VII and weirdly not VIII on 3ds, haven't played either. VII seems really cool to me, still I hear a lot of shitty things about so I'm kinda less excited. VIII seems really boring to me, just from the character designs it seems like nothing special.
>>3085618
Go for it senpai, the mobile versions of DQ4 don't seem to have the weird stretched graphics that 1-3 do and I heard the translation is fair.
>>3085619
Don't put it off! 4 is my personal favorite at least thus far. It's an awesome game but it's awesome in a lot of ways that DQ3 isn't, and vice-versa.
>>3085665
>First time playing III, pretty excited.
You should be! If you liked 1 or 2 at all then get ready for all of the Dragon Quest-yness you can handle imo.
>VII seems really cool to me
Same here, I can't wait to get to it. Part of me is interested in a suuuper long DQ, the other half dreads it. Can't agree on VIII being boring though, I couldn't be more into it since I'm playing as I write this post.
>>3085612
Why would a secret settlement have an inn?
>>3085607
>>3085694
I love female soldier so much. I came when I found her in DQ8.
>>3085706
>>3085713
>>3085694
>>3085706
>>3085713
>>3085718
>female solider art
>no muscles
Am supposed to be aroused?
Always thought the fighter and sage was the cutest.
>>3085731
You're not wrong. I like them all.
Though my DQ Waifu is still Moonbrooke who I'll probably be posting later
>>3085731
Does it say 龍 for Dragon Quest?
>Which ones have you played?
All of them except 2 and 7, also not the spin-offs like DQ Monsters.
>Are you playing one now?
No
>Do you have a favorite?
4
Favorite songs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iR9Is3SBcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwCMoeaXSlU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K752z7Dp3nk
>>3085823
No, it says 龍 for Dragon Ball.
>>3085606
Only played snes V and IV ds.
Starting III on snes.
Of the two I played I preferred IV, just felt more enjoyable to me.
>>3085926
If you like III and plan to play the first 2, I recommend I before II because you'll be following the games story chronologically.
DQ >BoF, right?
>>3086245
In terms of sales and general popularity, yes.
>>3085731
I didn't get to the muscles yet, my apologies.
>>3086471
Does anyone have the .apks for the Android versions? I don't trust most of the hosting sites.
>>3085607
>not a gif
Free exp!
>>3085926
Looks like the box art for an Atari cartridge.
>>3086471
Female Soldier best DQ3 girl.
I've played through IV - VIII and enjoyed them all. IV is my favorite!
anyone else enjoying DQA?
What is it like?
>>3085684
Because Tumblr.
>>3085926
I hate fuckers like you that don't start at the first game in the series
SHINU!!! (die in Nihongo (Japanese))
>>3086832
Shinei, anon.
>>3086836
Thanks bud, arigato.
>>3086836
Shine. It's embarressing when you correct somebody but you're actually wrong.
>>3085671
The problem is I can't decide which version to play. For 1-3 I went with the SFC but they never did that for 4 so my main options are PS1 and DS both of which have their issues.
I guess I'll have to settle with rotating my screen and playing the DS port.
>>3086498
BUY THEM KEKBOY
I started to play Dragon Quest two years ago, and completed de first 4 Dragon Quest (I - III, GBC versions. And IV on DS)
At this moment, I played the same number of DQ games than Final Fantasy (I, IV, VI and VII), and... I think that FF is fucking overrrated.
Is not that "FF games are bad" (at least, for me). Is more like "Dragon Quest is fucking amazing, and deserves MUCH MORE populariry" (specially in Europe).
At this moment, I think that DQ IV is one of the best RPGs I played. Specially, if we consider when the game cames out.
But my favorite is still Dragon Quest I (that simplicity... that "victory march to the starting point"!!). And, of course I loved DQ III, speciallywhen you return to DQ I map, but in the past
>>3086938
I ran into the same issue. I was real close to buying the cart for DS 4 but I ended up playing the NES version with a game genie code that lets you control all your party members. Made it very enjoyable, although the AI isn't super bad or anything.
>>3086498
>>3086942
This, senpai. Those are official releases and the franchise needs some $$. Show your support! :D
>>3086947
I relate to this post (especially about IV!), just swap out two years with one year. For a long time I felt like Final Fantasy was a boot that didn't fit (in terms of my taste anyway, but I kept playing/trying them since they're so highly praised), then I learned all along that Dragon Quest was what I wanted. Classic RPGs where fighting monsters and stuff is the fun part and not a huge overblown story that gets in the way of the gameplay.
Just my thoughts though, this ain't a Final Fantasy thread.
>>3086954
I decided to play IV with the AI activated (the most generic "AI configuration" on DS). Sometimes, shit happens in the worst possible way. But sometimes, the AI make some clever decissions.
I guess the NES version is much more painful, but I wanted to try a similar experience.
My fear with DQ, is if VII and VIII are "story is first priority, NOT gameplay!" like post-VI FF.
Well, the 3DS remakes will be able to clear my doubts!
>>3086954
The Famicom is kana only which is a no go for me.
>>3086970
>My fear with DQ, is if VII and VIII are "story is first priority, NOT gameplay!" like post-VI FF.
We share fears as well, lol. I can't speak for VII, but VIII is absolutely what you'd want it to be. The skill tree, leveling up to be able to pass the next dungeon/boss, the awesome feeling of getting that super dope sword/axe/whip/bow and watching your stats grow. It's all there, man, it's great.
There's voice acting in the PS2 version (which I quite like but it can be turned off if you don't like it), but only important scenes are voiced. It's an awesome game to me. I'm about 30 hours in and I'm supposedly about 1/3rd of the way through the main quest. So it's big, but the focus is still on interesting town-to-town scenarios and people's stories rather than player character drama. If that makes any sense.
It's super Dragon Quest-y, you'll like it!
>>3086975
Oh, I see. You don't wanna play it in English?
>>3086954
Alena is one of my favorite characters of all RPGs. Is not only a "strong female warrior with femenine look". She's the mother-fucking monk! The class who usually is PURE POWER! And also... a fucking princess!
Something similar to Edgar from FF VI. A man-slut, and a king!
>>3086991
Alena's so invaluable, and so cute!
>>3086970
>I guess the NES version is much more painful, but I wanted to try a similar experience.
Not really, you have a bunch of choices for tactics.
One thing the AI does that's an absolute lifesaver is cancel their planned attack to heal a friendly character instead. I can't tell you how many times I've had characters KOed because I had to wait until the next turn to heal them and the monsters beat them down before I get a chance when using manual commands.
>>3086954
> I ended up playing the NES version with a game genie code that lets you control all your party members
So I'm guessing you didn't ever use Taloon in your party, then. The AI makes him do some absolutely INCREDIBLE combat maneuvers that you can't do when you manually control him.
Things Taloon can do when the AI controls him:
Stun the enemy party for a turn
Get additional critical hits
Interfere with enemy spellcasting
Stun a single enemy for TWO TURNS
Blind enemies for a turn
Attack THREE FUCKING TIMES
AI Taloon is the best support character in the entire fucking SERIES.
>>3086832
Sorry anon, maybe some day I'll play I.
>>3086947
I feel like final fantasy should be cooler and more fun but I just like dragon quest much better. I've never been able to finish a final fantasy game but fell in love with the dragon quest games I played.
>>3087035
>Taloon's crazy band of merchants show up
Godsend.
>>3086998
An otherwise fantastic character design which is spoiled by the dumbest fucking hat.
>>3085606
For Dragon Quest IV, is the mobile version good?
I got the DS version, but it's got no party chat, which is rustling me.
>>3086980
I'm learning Japanese not just for untranslated stuff but also to get away from translations.
>>3087171
>Play DW4 as a kid
>get a mental picture of what Alena looks like based on her sprite
>Play DQH:TWTWatBB
>Some crazy chick suddenly jump kicks her way into the stage with a stupid hat and wonky russian accent
>it's apparently Alena
Am I the only one who thought she was a chick in a fur coat and beret?
>>3087171
Totally true. But even with that shitty hat, she's cute.
>>3087220
>a fur coat and beret
Totally.
>>3087035
>didn't ever use Taloon in your party
I did sometimes (just cause he's awesome), and I swear I've seen a few of those effects. IIRC he could do some of that stuff you just used the attack command, he might do something else a-la Goof-off in 3. I also liked when a monster encounter would become a friendly merchant, that was always a pleasant surprise.
>>3085665
I got bored of VII if I'm to be perfectly honest.
I've beaten I, III, IV, V and VII
>>3087551
Sorry, I meant VIII (not VII)
>>3086595
>Atari Dragon Quest
Make it happen, senpai.
Guys, are you excited abaout Switzerland's Dragon Quest Convention?
Is the beggining of something great for western DQ fans? (Or only for yuropoors?)
http://www.swissgamerszone.ch/dqc2016/
> taking place May 28th and 29th
> in honor of the Dragon Quest 30th anniversary convention
> being held in Biel, in the heart of Switzerland
> setting up at the Swiss Gamers Zone at 23 rue de Zürich
> collaboration with Square Enix and Nintendo Switzerland
>Games area:
> Demo of Dragon Quest VII will be available on Nintendo 3DS
> Dragon Quest Heroes 2 playable for the first time in Europe on PS4
> Dragon Quest Monsters Joker 3 playable on Nintendo 3DS
> Dragon Quest Builders playable on PS4
> 3DS Street Pass and exchange dens card for Dragon Quest IX
>Scene Area:
> Cosplay Contest Saturday
> Award ceremony of the biggest collector Dragon Quest 2016
> Conference:
>- Dragon Quest History
>- The world of saga
>Independent area:
> Agooloo Studio will present Soccer Dash (expected from the current year)
>Studio Freelance an old DQ Fanien
>Shop area
>Shop
>Exhibition Emblem of Roto / Sketch of the saga
>Tournaments sector:
>Dragon Quest Builders (construction speed contest)
>Dragon Quest Heroes I (defeat the boss in no time)
>>3086970
>My fear with DQ, is if VII and VIII are "story is first priority, NOT gameplay!" like post-VI FF.
I have no idea why you're saying post-VI when VI is the first game that had that attitude to the degree where it harmed gameplay. Even IV had a pretty charitable gameplay/story split, but not VI, that game is broken as fuck.
>>3088983
This sounds super cool, I can't fly to Switzerland just for a DQ con tho.
DRAGON QUEST CON IN THE USA WHENNN
>>3089084
Maybe all is about personal taste. I played FF VI, and of course is too much "play sometimes, while we tell our story". I can understand anyone who considers that game "the beginning of the end".
But when I played FF VII, even with the great improvements in some mechanics and more great things that has... I felt it was too "look at this movie".
>>3089125
FFVII clearly has more story focus but the attitude VII had towards gameplay was already established by VI. It's like the developers didn't even care.
>>3088983
Sounds interesting.
> Cosplay Contest Saturday
I want pictures.
>>3088983
Is it going to be in French?
>>3088983
Interesting, does Dragon Quest have a large following in Switzerland.
>>3090052
That webpage is in french, so I guess yes.
I just played the Android versions of 1&2 during my downtime at work and I'm about to move on to 3. Are there any important differences between the Android versions of these games and the originals?
>>3092229
One of the big additions in the SFC port/remake of 3 was the that the enemy attacks are animated. The GBC version kept that, but the phone versions dropped it, so the enemies are static.
>You are the brave hero, descendant of the other brave hero!
>Start off at lvl 1 with a pointy stick
>>3092401
You have to buy the pointy stick anon, don't act so privledged.
>>3093151
Not in DQV.
>>3093294
DQ5 hero was a spoiled brat, then. As to be expected from royalty. That slave life did him some good.
I have a question for you guys: in Dragon Quest VII, does the game allow you to save before changing the disc, like the FF on the PSX?
>>3087194
>I'm learning Japanese ...
Kill yourself, my man!
>>3093304
Except he didn't know he was royalty. Henry on the other hand... the slave life did him some good.
>>3085606
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0jJ2u2rk3k&feature=youtu.be
Will always be my favorite overworld theme ever made. Always makes me pumped listening to it.
I just can't wait to replay DQ7 and 8 when we finally get the 3DS versions.
>>3086954
Personally I like the NES of DQ4 over DS and mobile but I can't read moon so the PSX is out. Sad because DQ4 is one of my favorite DQ game but I just can't enjoy the DS because of the localization and I'm just not a mobile gamer.
>>3093432
Yes.
>>3086970
>I guess the NES version is much more painful, but I wanted to try a similar experience.
Actually the NES wasn't that bad. The only time its annoying is when Kiryl cast instant death spells against bosses. But once I knew a boss was coming I switch to normal controls using the code. Afterwards I would switch back because like >>3087035 said the AI can actually save your life since they issue their command on their turn and not at the beginning of the round like you would do.
OP casts Healmore on thread!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdbfuDV0Ejc
>>3097603
Have some art.
>>3097643
You too!
Help I can't beat Shinryuu in 15 turns
>>3097643
I think Flora should have had some interaction with the hero while they were children too.
Can anyone explain to me why this guy is so popular?
I found his part in DQIV the most boring, yet, he has his own spinoff with multiple sequels, plus he's a fan favorite for crossover stuff.
What's the appeal?
>>3098364
I believe the unexpected concept of playing as a actual merchant with a family was charming. Also he is quite amusing in battle with his goofy actions. He's pretty popular and one of Japan's favorite characters in the series.
>>3098395
Essentially this. He's such an unconventional character - for an RPG or any other genre, especially at its time. He's not a warrior, or a mage, or some sort of royalty. He's just a guy, and jolly fat one at that. He's introduced to us getting up to work at a dreary 9-to-5 job. We instantly relate to that, and thus to him, and anyone with a soul would want to see such a character fulfil his dreams. And fulfil them he did, while also becoming a hero along the way.
>>3097603
Healmore? You need to cast Omniheal to get this thread on its feet again!
>>3098364
It's the absurdity factor: rpgs take themselves far too seriously, so Torneko is a breath of fresh air. Plus, he's the party thief and can nab you top gear very quickly.
Random trivia: the Megaton Hammer crits 1/8th of the time, the Hela hHammer 3/8ths, and normal crits come 1/64 in all titles. Getting enough skill points in 8 to give you that boost doubles it to 1/32.
The Poison Needle, Assassin's Dagger, and Demon Spear instant kill 1/8 of the time, except for all versions of III where it's 1/16 for some reason. For that matter, nearly all weapon effects will hit for 1/8th, with the only one I know of that doesn't is the Dream Blade and Hell Scythe which hit for 1/6th. All of these effects ignore resistances except for full immunity, with the exception of the instant death weapons and bosses.
What else...oh, the Imp Knife and Magical Mace work 25% of the time, so abuse the hell out of them!
>>3098364
>What's the appeal?
Being the best fucking support character ever.
>>3098418
What's the chance of a Prayer Ring breaking on use?
>>3097883
>>3098658
50% it either breaks or it doesn't break.
It's sad that DQ games after DQII pose no challenge.
What were they thinking then they made infinitely usuable items and skills that cast some of the best healing spells for free?
>>3098842
Been playing through DQV and I've not experienced anything like that yet. Items are one time use only and spells cost MP.
>>3098857
There is a staff that casts Healmore and the Sage's Stone that casts Healus.
Best version of each game to play? Don't let your retarded retro nostalgia cloud your judgement.
>>3098868
The orignials
>>3098869
Did you not read the last part my man?
>>3098868
SFC wherever applicable.
>>3098868
You can play the Super Famicom versions of DQ1 and 2 as they were bundled together. Start there. DQ1 for the NES is for real men.
>>3098881
>DQ1 for the NES is for real men.
I don't understand this elitism for Dragon Warrior.
It's not even the original version and the game is just pure grinding.
>>3098972
Not that guy but I have an idea or two.
I like the remakes where EXP and Gold rates are doubled, but the NES version makes it feel a lot more huge and obviously you have to level up a lot more. I feel like the SFC/GBC may have trivialized the first game just a little bit by making it as easy as it is.
Though I don't agree with the notion that it's for 'real men', since it doesn't take skill, just patience and looking forward to the reward of being an asskicker to beat either version of the game.
Also, I love the colors on the NES version. They just pop and look wonderful. SNES looks a little toned down by comparison.
IMO the only DQ1 that's not worth playing is the ugly mobile port, and even that's decent enough.
>>3098364
Multiple reasons. He's an actual family man with a loving family. He's just trying to go out and do good for everyone. And unlike DQ5 it's not a rollercoaster of emotions with the family. Think of how many games star a grown chubby dad with a nice family?
Also he's chapter was so different than the reason of the chapters. While everyone has a personal grudge he's just there finding loot to keep his family feed.
I mostly think the reason he got those games is that Horii just really wanted to make a roguelike and just used Dragon Quest as a way to sell it to people. And he felt a fun story with Torneko would be fun.
>>3098421
>Run into group of 6 Liquid Metal Slimes
>4 run away right off the bat
>1 more runs away after a couple wiffs
>"Taloon trips & falls onto Liquid Metal Slime!"
>critical hit; DEAD.
>massive experience reward
That'll do, pig.
>>3098842
DQ2 wasn't even meant to be hard. Horii just didn't playtest it and so level scaling was just completely fucked.
>>3098868
DQ1-3 SFC
DQ4 that really depends. NES has a great localization personally but is of that era where going through all those items can be a chore. DS is much more manageable but I honestly hate the localization. I normally not mind accents but DQ4 made everything a pain to read plus removal of Party Chat sucks. Mobile is DS with Party Chat.
DQ5 PS2 is nice but I love the DS version.
DQ6 DS
DQ7 3DS is coming soon
DQ8 Guess it depends if you are a guy that can live with 3DS style graphics or really love the PS2 version. 3DS has more content (more party members, weapons, extra story, extra dungeons, ect.) but being on the 3DS really hurts the look of it sadly.
>>3099016
>great localization
>hate the localization.
>3DS is coming soon
He asked for the best version, not which version is good enough for casuals.
>>3099030
Man it's almost like how the story is presented to the player actually fucking matters in a RPG.
>>3099035
That's why you should play them in the original language.
DQ games have easy Japanese.
>>3099030
Reminder you literally cannot game over in a dragon quest game. You just lose half your cash and keep playing. MUH CASUALS MUH HARDCORE MUHMUHMUH
>>3098972
I'm only being facetious. If I were to play DQ1 again it'd probably be the Super Famicom version.
>>3099047
You can't Game Over in Wizardry, either.
More dumbshit factoids.
It usually takes 3 Wisdom points to increase spell damage in 8, except for Boom for some reason.
The vocation traits for Gladiators and Paladins cap out at 1/8th at rank 8. Luminaries get a 1/16 rate, which is not influenced by style at all. Rangers can run away from any non boss fight at rank 8, and you guys already know how the Sage and Hero perks work.
Terry gets a 1/16 base evasion in the SFC version, Ashlynn takes 70% damage from frizz, sizz, bang, and crack damage, and Milly can't be confused or her dances sealed. Amos gets woosh resistance but wind magic sucks anyway.
You can still recruit monsters in 5 even when the hero is dead, which is why people think the daughter can as well. 5 actually had a very rough development period, leading to a falling out between Horii and Chunsoft. This is why 5 is a little weaker than other games in some areas.
>>3099171
You can in 4 and 6 onward.
>>3099579
You must be really bad to get a Game Over in Wizardry 4. You don't even have to grind for exp in that game.
>>3099218
What does Wisdom and Luck even do in games like III and V?
>>3100302
In III, wisdom controls MP growth. I think the MP range is roughly 195% to 205% of your wisdom. In the nes version wisdom seeds ARE SHIT that lower your over all growth due to bad programming.
Luck lowers the accuracy of status spells cast by enemies, with each type having a different base accuracy. Sap and Dazzle have 90% base accuracy, and Whack has only 18%.
For V, only the first 20 points matter since monsters need that total in order to listen to you.
It's worthless beyond that.
Luck in V controls Curse accuracy, and I think at 255 it drops the accuracy down to 1/3rd.
Hope it helps.
Kinda a minority with that, but DQ6 is my fav.
Directly followed by DQ4
>>3100678
Why 6? I haven't gotten to it yet and I don't see it discussed a lot.
Holy shit I finally started III for the first time and I can't remember the last time I had this much fun in a game. My party is
Hero-male-valiant
Fighter-female-amazon
Theif-male-agile
Cleric-female-sharp
They all are useful and it seems like a pretty good party to me. I've already fallen in love with this game.
>>3100520
Wisdom doesn't do anything for the human characters in V? Not even the daughter? What about the DS version?
>>3100989
Lots of people consider V the best in the series.
So, VI is the game that came after "the best one".
It has some great moments.
>>3100520
In V does it not allow the character to dodge harmful magic?
>>3101026
Glad you're enjoying it.
Is the increased viewing distance in the DS ports cheating?
I feel like I can skip a lot of exploring by just rotating the view.
>>3101573
I really liked doing that, the DS games are easy though so its not a big difference, less walking means less battles and less overleveling which makes the game harder
>>3101573
Dragon Quest dungeons tend to be not all that hard anyways. Dragon Quest 8 castle part tends to be as complicated as it gets and that's easy to navigate even without a map.
At least not counting DQ2 Cave to Rhone which is on par with Phantasy Star 2 last dungeon.
>>3101573
Yeah I always thought exploration and bumping into dead ends was part of it all.
>>3101026
Yeah, its an amazing game today, but when I think about how good was this game when came out... Fuck, that must be glorious.
Can you find peeping photos of the princess in the overseas versions?
>>3101929
You know the stories.
So good is wiped Japan's streets clear.
So good that the Hunter x Hunter guy takes months off and goes on hiatus to still play it.
So good that it's been getting porn for nearly three decades now.
>>3101938
Haven't played since the release of the DS version but I think it says "found a picture of Alena"
>>3085606
Only 8. Now I'm thinking of which one should be next
I played dragon warrior NES and i'm planning to play 2 nes version as well.
But i'm not sure about DQ3, are there any major differences between NES and SFC?
Is the official NES translation good or should i use a patch?
I feel DQ1-3 on GBC are underrated.
You still get 8-bit graphics if you prefer those but they're much better than their NES counterparts, and you get some extras not available in the SFC versions, though I never played those so I don't remember specifics.
>>3104232
DQ3 NES is 100% playable with a nice translation. SFC really just adds a new class and a bonus dungeon and a board game which is fun. If you are playing the US version of DQ1 and 2 NES might as well keep using the US version since there's a lot of references in DQ3 that you would lose out on if you not keep using the game version.
>>3104251
Ok, thanks, then, i guess the other versions/remakes are good if i want to replay the games after i finish them all.
>>3104251
>SFC really just adds a new class and a bonus dungeon and a board game which is fun
And medal collecting, new equipment, and overall a pretty big cut to the difficulty. For all I like the new content (and in a game like DQ3 more content is always welcome), I still actually prefer the NES version because of the reduced difficulty in the remake. I'm not trying to argue that "OMG if you don't waste time grinding you're not really playing the game," but the remade versions just feel like going through the motions. Having grown up on the NES version it just feels weird. The remakes are great for second+ playthroughs (the relaxed difficulty makes it easier to explore the new content and try out different party builds and whatnot), but I think to get the most appreciation of the game it's better to play the original first then the remake.
SFC/GBC also has animated enemy attacks
>>3104284
Isn't the Medal collecting just the GBC version? And I get you about difficulty. NES really shown how much they learned after DQ1 and 2 about level balancing. DQ3 really feels like it has a good feel to it. I do say taking a mage isn't that great of a decision on my part my first play through but it wasn't that bad. Just happy I didn't pick a goof off.
>>3104284
Didn't they already reduce the difficulty for the American NES release?
>>3104293
The tiny medals and the secret shop (or whatever you want to call it) where you can redeem them for hot prizes is in the SFC version as well. I think that maybe the monster medal collection might be GBC-only though?
>>3104326
Not EXP and enemy health are the same in both versions. The only thing that got changed are just normal NoA policies like crosses. Actually oddly enough Dragon Warrior 3 and 4 let you straight up gamble. When even minor things that count be looked at as gambling was taken out because of the policy.
>>3104352
I'm not sure gambling was ever part of NoA's censorship policy (or if it was it either got cut out very quickly, or was added in much later). There were several straight up casino simulators released for the NES and GameBoy.
>>3104352
I just checked and slimes and ravens give 4 and 5 XP respectively in both Famicom revisions but 5 and 7 XP in the NES one, likely even a fraction more since for instance 4 slimes give 22 XP.
>>3104352
I read the monster arena gamble value was changed from 4x hero level to 10x hero level in the NES version. (Which seems to have been incorporated into the Japanese remakes, or at least, I just played the GBC one and the gamble value is 10x hero level.)
>>3101123
>>3101539
Wisdom helps humans dodge curses in V, but that's all. I need to rewrite that article on the .org wiki so it's easier to understand.
What I want to know is how the guys at level-5, with only 2 games under their belt, convinced Horii that the series needed as many changes as 8 brought in. That's not to say I'm complaining, 8 is the very best, but it is interesting to wonder just what kind of bad situation 6 and 7 put the series in.
>>3104781
>but it is interesting to wonder just what kind of bad situation 6 and 7 put the series in.
6 was the lowest selling game of the series, but I think the only reason for that was it suffered from just not being as insanely good as 5 was.
7 had a really long development period, and the game itself was pretty ugly, even by PS1 standards. That said, at the end of the day it became the best selling DQ game of all time and in Japan the best selling PS1 game of all time.
I think ultimately the reason DQ8 came about the way it did was because Horii and the rest of the core team just really weren't sure how to bring the series into the 3D world. So they outsourced and they were willing to go smaller scale in terms of story, characters, and content to make sure they got the 3D RPG part right.
>>3104241
I think that too. For me, the main reasons to play GBC remakes besides SFC...
1- No bugs (or at least, dangerous bugs)
2- More easy to emulate
3- Even more content
But, the saddest thing, is that the tiny GBC screen, made that monster sprites are worse than the NES sprites.
One thing that I cannot understand, is why in the mobile version of DQ 1-3, they choose the NES traslation, what changed a lot some of the names (no Lotto, and things like this)
>>3104816
6 sold more than 1, 2, and 5 though. As for 7 being ugly, that game is hideous on the inside and outside. It garnered a lot of backlash despite its sales, which you can read up on at the J wiki. Its really telling when they list out all the major complaints just for one game in a series.
I think for 8, they just wanted to play it safe and get back to their roots. Level-5 was made up of serious dq fans, and that's probably where things like Wisdom boosting attack spells and agility improving your evasion came from; small touches added to keep the series fresh.
>>3104442
Aye, exp gains are higher in the NES version compared to the Jap Famicom version. I've heard the value 25% being thrown around, but quote me not.
Honestly, I hate DQ. The games are slow as fuck and the battles have absolute no strategy. Getting one shotted? The only solution is to grind more. On top of that, the devs gave no consideration to probability, especially in the earlier games. A little bad luck and you're ambushed by a group of enemies that spam AoE and wipe you before you can even act. The only solution is to reload and hope it doesn't happen again.
Why can't Aleena use medicine from the bag?
I got extremely lucky by reaching the final battle on 2 HP and then immediately landing a critical hit.
>>3106150
Horii is a gambler. DQ has always been about gambling and not just the casino. Ambushing is just part of that gamble. And it's not just grinding if you are getting your ass kicked since buffs/debuffs have always been the key to winning even minor enemies in DQ since everything is meant to hit hard. You are not really meant to feel like you are killing everything right away.
Yeah DQ1 and 2 are notorious in level balancing but 3 onward are always wonderful in how scaling should play out. Are you the type to grind for more gear or are you the type to just go head first and hope for the best? Also why reload since you only lose half your gold which you more than likely can make back trying to get to the next town.
>>3106150
Why didn't you just ask for help with buff spells and general strat? It would have saved you a lot of typing.
>>3106390
To make it more challenging.
If anyone needs help with the coliseum fight, just remember that Alena's critical hit ratio is her level/256.
>>3106407
>Ambushing is just part of that gamble.
DQ is pretty harmless in that regard since all you can lose is a money and a bit of walking time.
In Wiz 1-3 an ambush can require sending a second party to retrieve the dead and many players opt for ragequitting before the battle results are saved instead.
>>3106665
Well Dragon Quest is a combination of Wizardry and Ultima. And in Ultima if you died you were brought back to Lord British.
Never played Dragon Quest before. I think I'm going to play 1,2, and 9. 9 looks really fun and I like gbc rpgs so I'll play those three in release order.
Is 24 an ok level to change a cleric to a sage?
>>3108215
>change a cleric to a sage
What's the point?
>>3108301
Then they have both offensive and defensive magic.
>>3108316
Why not change to a mage?
>>3108316
Literally the only spell from the Wizard list that you will ever use lategame is Bikill. Do you not have another character to cast it already?
>>3108332
Party is hero, warior, theif, cleric. Isn't sage super good and your advised to have at least one? Thinking of first turning my cleric into a sage at level 24 and later on my theif. Does this seem like a bad decision?
>>3108332
Oh, what a load of shit.
Firstly, why does late game matter any more than the rest of the game? Magic can be useful at several points through the game. The only alternative to match magic damage output would be multiple soldiers, which is expensive shit. Secondly, BeDragon + metal babbles. Wizard spells can be useful whether you like them or not.
What is the system for these prices?
I'm aiming for 1800 gold for a 20% profit but occasionally they go way higher. I've never seen prices between 1900 and 2200
Do people actually enjoy DQ I or is it just nerd cred bullshit? I have a hard time imagining you could enjoy such a game these days.
>>3108754
It's not wholly engrossing and awesome like it was when I was seven but it's still enjoyable.
>>3108215
I change once I get the resurrection spell just in case. Mage type sells are very handy the last half of the game while starting half seem to be more physical attack focus.
>>3085606
I think we can mostly agree that the overture is one majestic masterpiece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux2en4anILM
>>3108854
>and a masterpiece if you remember that is one of the firsts JRPGs.
It may have been the second RPG on the Famicom after Hydlide Special but I don't see how that makes it any better.
The remakes made it bearable but the original version is awful.
>>3108754
I enjoy it a lot. It's very basic, but still feels like a huge adventure where you become a hero like your ancestor. And you get to fight a LOT of monsters so I like that aspect. It's just classic in every way. Against modern RPGs there's a lot better to play. Heck I even consider FF1 to be the better game over DQ1 but Dragon Quest 1 still has something special about it.
It's a great game, it's just that the sequels and every RPG afterward made some kind of improvement or change to it. You gotta remember how innovative it was for the Japanese public at large to really appreciate it imo.
>>3108754
Dragon Warrior was the first DQ game I played. I wasn't too familiar with DQ games but I started playing it and I would play it a bit at a time, I'd play a bit after work and grind a little, leveling up a bit, saving up gold for an expensive weapon, the progression was very satisfying as I felt the work I was putting into it was paying off. Beating the game and seeing the kingdom saved was a very good feeling. Dragon Warrior 1 is the only DQ game I've completed and before you say anything about nostalgia, I only completed it a couple of years ago. I enjoyed the game very much, but it'd probably be a long time before I sat down and played it again, I have too many games to play, but I'll probably play the SFC version next time.
>>3085606
does anyone know where i can save in dragon quest iii besides the king's castle?
>>3108898
Well, in most cases, the sequels improve the old games from the franchise, so it's easy to think "the newest, the best".
But besides all the kind of things that are lost in sequels, in favor of innovations or changes, the things that make one game special when it came out, is lost forever.
In my opinion, it's not fair evaluate a game out of his time. I don't think that you must "play the original" (because the remakes takes the essence of a game, and polish the parts that aged very bad), but some of the good (and new) things of old games, can be "very common" today. So you lost that appreciation.
Some of the things that I love about sequels, are the improvements over the originals. Another good thing that you can lost if play directly a sequel.
Dragon Quest 2 is the worst DQ that I played, but it was amazing how expanded the original concept, and how inspired the evolution of JRPGs in general. So, for me, it's impossible to say "DQ 2 is shit". Even with DQ3, and how improved EVERYTHING.
>>3108854
Being one of the first JRPGs doesn't make it a masterpiece. Historically relevant, sure.
>>3108341
Is Baramos showing his middle finger?
>>3109410
>it's not fair evaluate a game out of his time.
I'm not evaluating it out of its time. I'm comparing it to games like Ultima, Wizardry, Hydlide or Xanadu that were available back then.
Oh shit!
What do you do?
>>3108754
you have a hard time because you are a casual
>>3110062
FUUUUCK
Is Dragon Ball anything like Dragon Quest, such as in tone, plot, characters, humor, or anything else?
>>3085685
>>3088983
>nothing about Dragon Quest XI
pass
>>3110394
they have the same artist.
that's it.
>>3110394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJUeqKpReOk
>>3110062
Aside from flipping the image 180 deg,
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK
>>3110062
FUCK
I have a lot of respect and love to the DQ series now. About a year ago I beat BD and I felt so frustrated that RPG genre wasn't fun to me anymore but some anon in /v/ recommended me to play DQ games and since I played DQ1 GBC a lot when I was kid, I decided to give the series a chance...I'm so fucking grateful with that anon right now
btw I'm uploading Dragon Quest soundtracks that weren't on Youtube in my channel. Now I'm trying to complete Theatrhythm Dragon Quest OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiFLCjv07b0&list=PLRo_-i-WR81a3RgUci1S_zyoEOS6H5TCi&index=1
>>3108754
Honestly I can't answer that since I have nostalgia with DQ1 but I guess that is a decent game
>>3088983
Wait...Is Dragon Quest popular in Switzerland?
Also
>collaboration with Square Enix and Nintendo Switzerland
>Dragon Quest Heroes and Builders are playable there
>>3110062
I rotated it, think of this a bump.
>>3111172
Why do I even try?
I'm about to play DQ from the beginning. Should I play the NES version? SNES version? Gameboy version?
I've always owned the Gameboy I+II comp, just never played it. I recently came into possession of DQ I-IV on the NES. I was wondering I could emulate the SNES remakes? What do you all think for a first time DQ player?
>>3111252
There's not too much of a difference between the GB/C and SNES versions of I+II and III. The GB versions have a faster movement speed, and III has Monster Medals and a(n additional) bonus dungeon, while the SNES versions look prettier.
>>3111295
So this being my first time, what would you recommend? Going through the series in their natural console release order or go through the remakes?
>>3111301
Not him, I recomend the snes versions. I didn't care about the monster metals and found just playing the prettier versions were better for me. Hope you love them anon, if I isn't for you maybe try another as I can be a bit rough.
Expect to hate these guys.
>>3111304
I played I and III on Gameboy back in middle school, but I didn't get very far, so I'm familiar with those versions. I feel like I want to play the originals as they were intended, but the SNES versions look very easy on the eyes. I love SNES-era JRPG graphics.
>>3111301
Depends on if you want a challenge or a slightly easier time. The original releases are obviously harder than the SNES versions, which is still harder than the GB/C versions. The difficulty was tweaked each time.
Most people will recommend the SNES versions. Hardcore purists will recommend the NES versions. I personally don't recommend any version, and just put up the major differences and let people decide for themselves. I realize that's not very helpful for you, but that's how I work.
>>3108207
Really, I'd play 3 over 9.
9 Feels kind of like a modern 3 but it feels....much more tedious than 3.
It's hard to explain.
>>3111312
>Hardcore purists will recommend the NES versions.
If you play the NES port instead of the original Famicom version you are hardly a hardcore purist.
Playing the SFC remake without translation is purer than that.
>>3111364
Come on now. Don't be like that.
Don't be that guy. No one likes that guy.
>>3111374
The NES port contains various changes to the original in both gameplay and plot. Only a retard would think he's purist for playing that.
>>3111425
Congratulations, you're that guy.
I hope you're happy with yourself.
>>3111430
At least I'm not a poser.
>>3110394
>characters
Yeah, a bit. Or a lot if you just look at the artwork.
>humor
Yeah lots of similar humour.
Outside of those two points not too much similarity.
>>3111252
>Should I play the NES version?
Yep. If you're a man.
>>3111301
My recomendation is that play one of the remakes. What version?
My preference is GBC, but you can't get wrong with SNES version.
SNES:
+ Looks much MUCH better
? Fan translation (I don't know if its a bad or a good one)
- DQ2 has a save-killer bug. You must use Savestates
GBC:
+ Official good traslation (or at least, more similar to the japanese version than the NES version)
+ Easier to emulate (if you are using Homebrew on the 3DS, the SNES emulator runs well, but not as good as GameYob)
? DQ3 has more content (only good, if you LOVE that game)
- A bit ugly, and the size of the screens, makes the enemy sprites less "Toriyama Style" than the original NES game
>>3111172
Here
>Boot up DQ1 on the NES
>NES console still hates me
Guess I'll just stick with my GBC and DS remakes.
>>3111357
Because of the VIII-like skill tree system. I had the same problem with Joker vs. DQM 1 and 2. Joker 2 was a fun ride while I played it, but it left me wanting the original breeding and skill system, limits and all.
III has a simple, clean class system. Even the ones in VI and VII were better, but those aren't "make your party, go on adventure" games like III and IX.
Then again, III is one of my favorite games ever, so the simplicity and age don't bother me in the slightest.
>>3110832
>Metal Slime
Awesome, thanks!
Why do you we have two of the literally exact same thread up? >>3107042
>>3112497
This thread is older. Why don't you complain to the op of that thread?
>>3111824
I guess that's enough to make me want to read one of the most famous manga ever.
So who is the thread's favorite monster, best girl, and final boss?
Do DQ games require a lot of grinding?
>>3114268
The original versions of the first two games do.
>>3114268
My experience is that it depends on how well you progress. If you backtrack a lot you will get enough on the way but if you have smooth sailing you'll end up facing a boss that's impossible to defeat with your available resources.
The first two games in their 80s versions were grinding hell.
>>3113869
>>3113869
>Monster
Dracky don't know why but i always love seeing those guys
>Girl
Alena because nothing can stop the hulk. As for guy Yangus
>Boss
After all that shit that happened to you in V nothing felt better than to kick Nimzo ass. Just fucking wish the localizers didn't fuck with the way he speaks.
>>3114268
Depends on if you take your time and explore things. I found the best way to get around grinding is to explore a dungeon until you get near the end. Then cast Evac and teleport back to town to rest. Return to the cave and just to straight to the end. Not only will you be refreshed from resting but most likely will gain one more level getting to the end.
I keep putting off my solo run of III SNES
>>3114773
Why?
So... I just ran through DQ I for SNES the last few hours and I realized a fatal, fatal, fatal flaw in this version (actually I don't know if it is present in other versions). Once you hit level 30 (max), the King will no longer record your deeds in the Imperial Scrolls of Honor! YOU CAN'T SAVE! What the fuck?
>>3116210
But you are strong enough to complete the game as soon as you learn the Healmore spell.
>>3116210
Wasn't that a bug with the translation patch?
I can't remember. I know it's not perfect, though.
>>3116273
If it is, it's a shit bug! My last non-savestate save was at Level 14 :(
>>3116225
I think what his majesty is implying is that he no longer needs to inform you how many experience points are required to gain a level.
>>3116210
Why would you need to save now? The game's pretty much over. Overlevelled as you are you could beat the game in no time.
>>3116210
>>3116273
>>3116435
Yes, I have no life. Just did this over the last 2 hours or so. Doesn't affect this version. I have a NES savestate too, I just don't remember what level I'm on, will be bringing you that shortly.
>>3116545
Oh, yeah, I'm trying to see what happens if you finish the game without rescuing the princess, if you haven't noticed. Had no problem finding the Seal without Gwaelin's/Princess's Love.
>>3116315
>savestate
Well there's your problem.
Also it's not a bug when it's intended.
>>3116549
Save state what? What is my problem? Apparently it is a bug. You sound retarded.
>>3116548
The game has no problem with it. The King doesn't even mention her.
>>3116549
I guess you're the
>people who emulate
guy.
>>3116210
>>3116545
Official: SNES remix (translation?) is bugged. Also, all the crybaby fucks that whine about DQ and NES RPGs in general, I 100%'ed it three times in one day and had fun (and got paid :P) doing it. Myths busted!
>>3116559
Just tried an alternate path, scooped up the princess on the way back to the castle after killing the Dragonlord... You don't even have to fight the green dragon, lol. The king has the soldiers bring her upstairs, and then she comes right back down as the ending plays as usual.
>>3116548
From what I've heard there's actually 3 "ending"
One where you leave the princess alone
One where you save the princess and brought her to the king before fighting the Dragon Lord
And last one is where you save the princess and beat the Dragon Lord with her by your side.
One really a line or two difference but neat they added it.
Would you a dragon lord?
>>3117680
>>3117685
Fuck the kingdom and fuck the princess, I'd become her loyal servant.
>>3113869
>monster
Probably slime knight or golems.
>girl
Really love sofia's design, not really a waifufag.
>boss
Maybe Psaro the Manslayer in IV, I remember it taking a few tries so it felt more satisfying to beat him.
>>3113869
>monster
As far as cannon-fodder goes, I like the Roboster/Killing Machines. As far as DQM-use monsters go, Divinegon/Xenlon.
>best girl
Female Sage or Lady Erdrick
>final boss
I've always loved Zoma, though Orgodemir, Malroth, and Dragonlord all have some qualities to them that I enjoyed.
>>3111436
No, you're just autistic. If you really judge people's merits based on whether they play an nes or fami version of a crusty rpg, you've got more problems than dq7's game design.
>>3087035
Who is Taloon? Another of those arbitrary name changes or some super hidden character?
>>3122303
Torneko Taloon. In the NES version, Torneko was changed to Taloon. In the DS version, Taloon became his last name.
Ragnar McRyan went through a similar process. In the NES version, Ryan was changed to Ragnar, and in the DS version, McRyan became his last name.
>>3122345
>McRyan became his last name
And they gave him a Scottish dialect?
Why did they even rename the characters in the first place?
>>3122497
Ragnar's entire country became Scottish.
As for renaming characters, that was just something that was (and sometimes still is, unfortunately) done.
"Localization." Bah.
