Is there a greater retro games developer than this one?
>>3067392
CAVE had better shmups
I can't think of a more overrated one.
>>3067407
so did treasure mostly
taito
sega
namco
capcom
nintendo
>>3067406
Psikyo is better than both.
>>3067413
Mostly shmups you mean? Hardly. Mostly action games sure, but only about 1 in 5 was a shooter. Personally I like Gradius V more than any of Cave's but that's preference. I like Bangai-O better than any shump period, but again that's personal.
>>3067412
Have they aged badly too and what did they mean now that the dust has settled? do e-celebs like Treasure?
>>3067392
Elder God Tier:
Alien Soldier
High Tier:
Sin & Punishment
Gunstar Heroes
Radiant Silvergun
Guardian Heroes
Mid Tier:
Bangai-O
Mischief Makers
Yu Yu Hakusho
Dynamite Headdy
Silhouette Mirage
Rakugaki Showtime
Low Tier:
McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure
Ikaruga
Not "Treasure" Enough Tier:
Light Crusader
>>3067471
>Ikaruga
>low tier
>>3067406
Of course a Cavefag would be the first one to shitpost. You are the cancer of the shmup fanbase.
>>3067494
So edgy. So contrarian. I can see you're a fellow of distinguished taste.
>>3067471
The only legitimately loe tier Treasure game is Dragon Drive, but that one isn't retro anyway. Go shitpost elsewhere you /v/irgin hipster.
>>3067392
Sega AM2
>>3067506
No, Dragon Drive is shit tier. Also
>bringing up non-retro vidya
>calls other people /v/irgins
Hilarious.
>>3067529
>low tier
>shit tier
Same fucking shit.
>Hilarious
You must be seriously /v/ucked in the head if you think Ikaruga and McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure are below the games listed under mid tier.
>>3067534
>/v/ucked
Epic meme lingo, my man. You sure proved him wrong.
>>3067541
>proving an opinion wrong
You're not even trying to hide your /v/ nature at this point.
>>3067471
My list
Elder God Tier:
Sin and Punishment
High Tier:
Alien Soldier
Gunstar Heroes
Bangai-O
Mischief Makers
Dynamite Headdy
Mid Tier:
Radiant Silvergun
Ikaruga
Yu Yu Hakusho
Guardian Heroes
Low Tier:
McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure
Silouhette Mirage
Rakugaki Showtime
Light Crusader (I think it still is kinda Treasure-y even if it's the most weird of the bunch)
>>3067471
Elder God:
Gradius V
High Tier:
Gunstar Heroes
Guardian Heroes
Bangai-O (DC)
Astro Boy Omega Factor
Radiant Silvergun
Mid Tier:
Ikaruga
Mischief Makers
Low Tier:
Gunstar Super Heroes
Advance Guardian Heroes
>>3067392
Squaresoft.
>>3067641
Reported for not retro.
>>3067681
Reported for autism.
>>3067641
>worst gradius game in elder god
>leaves out a bunch of Treasure's best games
Kill yourself.
>>3067392
nos is donts thinks sos
>>3067392
Yes, but just barely.
>>3067641
did you play the N64 version of Bangai-O? I actually liked it more than the DC version (although both are great still)
>>3067392
Yes, several actually. Great developers make something often and Treasure hasn't been putting forth the amount of effort I'd like to see as of late. It's just my opinion as all. I love their stuff, I just want to see them more.
No money? Plenty of options. Make some licensed games or sequels for other people, pitch a new idea to a publisher, go the crowdfunding route, or make a budget mobile title. Hit Sega up? Don't want to do any of that? Have fun staying irrelevant Treasure.
>>3067412
Calling shit overrated is overrated, video games that are good often win people over and information spreads by word of mouth.
>>3068083
It doesn't matter what they're doing now, OP said retro games developer and in the '90s Treasure was based as fuck.
>>3068089
>It doesn't matter what they're doing now
Fair enough.
>>3067471
u wot Light Crusader is badass. Isometric goodness
>>3067392
Raizingu desu
I like Konami the most as a retro developer. Made some of my favorite series along with other ones I haven't even played and spanned many genres.
>>3067392
Treasure is jack of all trades, master of none
>>3068590
Pretty much. Some of Treasure's games are legit as fuck (Alien Soldier, and, although it's not retro, Sin and Punishment 2) but outside of the Sin and Punishment games, they aren't the best developers in any genre. Capcom and Konami had run-and-guns / action-platformers just as good or better than Treasure's best, Capcom demolished them as far as brawlers go, and Cave's shmups are far better.
>>3067406
Psikyo and Takumi.had better shmups than cave.
Capcom, Sega, Konami have made countless more quality retro games. But in terms good-to-bad games percentage, Treasure is higher than practically all companies.
>people comparing Treasure to the likes of Konami or Capcom
Not fair guys, that's like comparing a mom and pop shop to a Super Walmart.
>>3068684
>Bunch of professionals that came from Konami
>Cannot compare them to other companies of the time
I'm getting sick of your shit.
Ikaruga's gameplay and aesthetic are legit as fuck. It deserves all the praise it gets.
Radiant Silvergun is overrated trash though.
>>3068801
>doesn't know when to hold C and tap A
I bet you just hold "fire" in whatever you're playing, ace.
>>3067428
>Psikyo is better
The worst kind of memorizer bullshit. CAVE games are fair. Eg. you could theoretically 1CC Ketsui on your first attempt because the patterns are designed so you get an easy version first.
>>3069179
>doesn't actually address want was said
Top-tier debating skills there, champ.
>>3067392
Treasure is the Pixar of retrogames
They have a limited range, but they do it so well that even their worst stuff is still really good.
That's actually a really good place to be.
>>3069343
>woosh
He totally went over your head, bro.
Radiant Silvergun is the greatest shmup of all time, get your rehashed generic Cave and Psikyo bullshit outta here.
shake shake
>>3069609
The forced puzzling really ruins Radiant Silvergun due to its length.
If you want an epic long shmup, Gradius V does it better. If you want a good puzzling shmup, Ikaruga does it better. But you can't have both at the same time, it'll just become tedious and boring by the end.
>>3069760
Play arcade mode then, it literally only lasts about 40 minutes to 1cc.
Bangai-O is fucking great, but both Ikaruga and Radiant Silvergun are better in concept than they are in execution.
Toaplan was, and will always be, the greatest shmup developer of all time. Takumi is second.
I just finally got around to giving Alien Soldier another chance after playing it for 5 minutes and thinking it controlled like shit about a decade ago. Now I'd say it's a top 10 Genesis game for me, but a huge flaw would be the weapon switching... perfect game to take advantage of the six button controller.
>>3069774
toaplan shmups are fucking shit, man. most of them didn't even have bosses
>>3069359
Dodonpachi, Daioujo, Ketsui, and Mushihimesama Futari are better than either Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga, IMO.
I do like Gradius V, though.
>>3070459
You just prefer those shumps because you can't git gud at the color-based chaining in RSG/IKA.
Fuckin scrublord.
>>3070707
or maybe he just liked them more and found them more palpable
>>3070707
>RSG/IKA
Babby's first shmups
>>3070707
I like them, and they're really not that hard. I just don't particularly think they're THAT good.
>>3069774
Takumi is damn good. I mostly prefer horizontals but really do dig Giga Wing and Mars Matrix.
>>3070459
And how many of those are retro?
You should have at least said Guwange.
>>3070824
Dodonpachi was 1997. Daioujou and Ketsui are from 2002 and 2003 respectively, but were made on PGM hardware which was released in 1997.
Mushihimesama Futari is definitely not retro no matter what, though.
>>3070741
yea right, I doubt anyone on /vr/ can do a 1cc of Silvergun's saturn mode or get S++ rank on an ikaruga level
>>3070864
I can only S+ first two stages.
But to be honest, I really dislike chaining system both in Ikaruga and RSG.It feels like game constantly yells at me "no, you are playing it wrong, memorize chains instead, restart until you full chain a stage". I never have this issue with scoring system in other shmups.
Also RSG weapon variety is kind of a gimmick as well.
>>3070459
Ketsui and DDP are the only good games in your list. Even so they still utilize CAVE's beloved pre-rendered 3D graphics style, which is absolute eye cancer.
>>3071117
>Implying Treasure's games aren't eyesores themselves.
>>3067392
Natsume.
They were criminally underrated at the time, and had the best NES games (Shatterhand, Shadow of the Ninja. Power Blade, Dragon Fighter, etc)
>>3071117
>implying daioujou and futari are bad.
>>3071134
pocky and rocky series is GOAT
>>3071134
They were cool but they needed to make more arcade games.
>>3071126
actual 3D >>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-rendered garbage
>>3071137
>DOJ
Hypers are shit
>Futari
First Futari was so shit they had to make 1.5 that everyone plays instead.
>Ikeda called Ikaruga a work of genius
Cavedrones bounced the FUCK out.
>>3067392
Treasure had some gems of course. But It'd be hard to top Sega. Consoles,and arcade classics out the ass. Even other developers of the time. Sunsoft made some great games during the 8 bit era. The big companies like Konami(ultra),and Capcom have library's that shit on Treasure.
Pic related, Treasure never made a game this fun. (except multiplayer Guardian Heroes)
>>3067471
I still don't get this idolation for Alien Soldier. That chick is too big for the screen, the controls are clumsy and overly complicated for a run'n'gun, and.weapons are not fun at all. I would get some adoration for Gunstar Heroes, but why Alien Soldier. Is it just because it never got an official US release?
>>3071856
It got a US release, but only on the Sega Channel.
>>3071665
Yeah, no.
>>3071665
In the case of Treasure, you are laughably wrong. Their 3D was atrociously bad compared to any pre-rendered game.
>>3072197
Wario World and Sin & Punishment are not atrociously bad.
>>3072202
>Wario World
I guess its not atrociously bad, but not the best I've seen on gamecube. Not retro, though.
>Sin & Punishment
Pretty ugly graphics for N64 standards, actually.
>>3068083
Quality over quantity
>>3067392
I dont know... Personally i like capcom, sega, namco, taito and konami... But i mean thats just me... Plus ive only played dynamite heady and gunstar heroes to the point of being able to form an opinion but still...
>>3072197
>Ikaruga is atrociously bad compared to any Cave game
Cavedrones, everybody.
>>3072279
>can't make a rebuttal, so he claims cavedrone
I don't even like cave, treasurefag.
>>3072246
>Pretty ugly graphics for N64 standards, actually.
I disagree, I think it looks pretty awesome for 5th gen standards in general. It looks much better on movement than on still pictures though.
>>3072246
>ugly graphics
you gotta be kidding
the level where you zoom around the navy has so much shit going on and its all so smooth
in fact its one of the prettiest moments on all of 5th gen
>>3071856
Personally it's the type of game that defines a hardcore game in my mind. The cumbersome, difficult to master gameplay, the trial and error. You get a little better at learning the patterns each time until you know what to do and when. By the end you have a greater appreciation for the developers' design.
Treasure is shit. There's a reason Konami kicked them out of their company.
>>3073024
some of those guys worked on metal slug 3. So I think you may be wrong bro.
>>3069359
>better shmups than meme game, meme game and worst Gradius
yeah, i think so
>>3073106
I like how no one has mentioned thunder force IV yet in this entire arguement
>>3073212
Thunder Force is the only thing Technosoft has going for them. They're mediocre aside from that.
>>3073238
yeah but I meant in relation to the whole shmup argument.
>>3073106
>worst gradius
>anything but IV
>>3067392
I wish they'd remake Dynamite Headdy.
>>3067471
>elder god tier
All of them
Especially McDonalds
>>3067471
I would include Mischief Makers in Elder God Tier desu.
>>3072545
>cumbersome
>good game
>>3067392
They didnt develop retro games, just games, hipster.
>>3075478
All of NAMI's games are great, except arguably Gunstar Superheroes.
I always think of this game when Treasure is mentioned, haven't played their shmups
>>3075632
What are you doing on /vr/ if the word retro triggers you so bad?
>>3068585
Most of their staff now works for Good Feel and Treasure was also founded by Ex-Konami staff as well.
>>3067471
>le Ikaruga is bad meme
Where the fuck did this shit come from? The game is fantastic. It's one of the more accessible Treasure games, what with how it was released on many platforms but I've seen a lot of hate recently that is never really expanded upon.
Just
>ikaruga
>good
Ikaruga is great. You guys are hipsters.
>>3077187
Shitty scoring system, shitty absorb gimmick, shitty brown graphics, shitty enemy designs.
>>3075276
I wish people cared or knew about Dynamite Headdy. I think it's a legit contender for best Treasure game.
>>3077330
It was a big enough deal when it got released. Had a lot of magazine ads, got pretty good reviews etc.
But GSH and Alien Soldier are both a lot better than it.
>>3077365
I disagree. While I love GSH, I find it too short, and a bit too skimpy on actual platforming. Alien Soldier is quite good, but it's never really been my cup of tea.
>>3077330
>I wish I wasn't a clueless youtuber who didn't know that Dynamite Headdy isn't actually obscure
>>3078208
Yes yes, your retro game e-penis is most impressive. The fact is nobody ever talks about it. Even finding a copy in box is only about 20 bucks in this day and age of collector price jack-ups. That should tell you all you need to know.
>>3078298
What's there to talk about? It's a cute platformer with some colorful graphics and interesting level design and wacky characters and nice music.
>>3073238
What about Hyper Duel and Elemental Master? Those are both rad as hell.
>>3080003
Or Herzog Zwei, the greatest retro tactics game.
>>3080965
One of these days I'm going to finally learn how to play that game well.
>>3070707
What games have you 1CC'd in
>>3081237
Game Tengoku 2-ALL
chaining is a really lazy scoring system desu. ikaruga would be more interesting if it made you take huge risks
