God damn that was fantastic
>dat prologue
>shit ton of events
>all them cute girls
>them mini games
>RPG combat
>even the support guy characters are cute
Other than the soundtrack using a bunch of public domain tunes here and thereit always pisses me off when games do thatand the cockroach girl voice actress raping my ears that was pretty close to perfect, is there a dating sim I'm not aware of that beats all that?
I learned Japanese so I could play Tokimemo and Doukyuusei and I still haven't gotten around to properly playing them.
>>3042704
One playthrough of Tokimemo takes about a day, do it. Tokimemo 2 is fantastic.
Is Tokimeki 2 better than the first? Having to be on watch so you don't blow up any mines was pretty annoying.
Man, Dating sims are such a huge investment sometimes.
>>3042813
Yeah, in pretty much every way.
You still have to watch out for mines, though, and this time you get to deal with a clingy childhood friend and her overprotective friend being a constant timebomb duo, but I really enjoyed that aspect of it, really ads some spice to the game.
Doukyuusei is funny as hell and well-written (in Japanese at least). It can get boring without a walkthrough, but serendipity is really a core part of the experience. I started using a walkthrough after a while, but regretted it in the end.
The music is just fucking awful, though.
Doukyuusei 2 is supposed to be even better, but I haven't gotten around to playing it.
>>3042824
Not too fond of the stress it brings with it but it's not like it was that hard to deal with the mines. I never did more than one route now that I think about it though.
I just wish you could access the information screen without wasting a time-slot calling what'shisname.
>>3042794
I had planned to play the Windows port of 1 but it's impossible to find.
>>3042838
Not really
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=405336
>>3042912
No, TM2 only came out on playstation and some bullshit Japanese mobile platform.
>>3042873
Not idea how I overlooked that, I'm sure I searched with the Kana name.
Now I only need to figure out if there's a way to run it in Windows 7 without a VM.
>>3043032
>calling other people virgins on 4chan
>>3043046
You're still an unlikable loser. Kill yourself, fag.
>>3043058
You don't belong here. Maybe reddit or facebook is more appropriate for you.
>>3042704
>>3042826
Doukyuusei is fantastic. Personally I like 1 better than 2 but 2 is more popular.
But my favorite romance game of all time is Kakyuusei.
Were there ever any dating sims or visual novels with same-sex (male) options? I've never come across any. In fact, I don't remember seeing anything like that before The Sims came along. As popular as these genres were in Japan, it seems like there would have been something geared toward the /cm/ audience.
>>3043338
Not /vr/ for sure. Eroge scene before 2000 was surprisingly straight, barely any yuri and absolutely no gays.
>>3043338
True Love had a gay option.
Real yaoi games only came out 2000 onward.
>>3043407
>True Love
It had a path for it sure, but no CGs and nothing as fleshed out as the other endings so I don't know if that would count. More like a novelty ending maybe.
Good game though. An ideal first step into the genre.
Okay so I got this running on a virtual machine.
So far not too impressed. Like many Japanese Windows ports, it uses some kind of ugly filter for the portraits of the characters. Sound is pretty much the same. At least the game is WAY WAY faster.
>>3043401
Nope. Janis was a pioneer in this area. See Sotsugyou Ryokou (1996) and Hoshi no Sasayaki (1998). Also Loop, True Love, Crescent Moon Girl, Mirage 2, KO-KO-RO. May Club had a cross-dressing character. Yozakura (1998) had a full gay ending with CG. There are others I'm forgetting.
Gay options weren't common back then simply because it was mostly outside the target market, but by the late 1990s it wasn't completely out of the ordinary. Around the same, the first dedicated Boy's Love labels like Alice Blue started showing up to cater to the gay market exclusively.
For a more recent example, go play Majikoi. It's mostly hetero, but there are some great male characters with their own endings.
>>3043221
damn son
>>3044358
Are you gay?
No but I live in Japan and a friend of mine is a Japanese artist who is gay. He hates how foreigners automatically assume that Japanese are super homophobic. They're really not.
Even the straight guys are a little gay over here. Have you ever seen a group of Japanese high school buddies fooling around and grabbing each other? In any country, they'd look totally, flamingly gay.
I was at a Japanese wedding reception one time, and all the friends of the groom suddenly stripped down to speedos and started dancing in a conga line on stage. Shit's crazy.
Like with a lot of other things in Japan, you'll find that the young people are super cool, and the really old people are sweet because they just don't give a fuck anymore. But in the middle, there are these 45-60 year old shitlords who think they know what's best for everyone. Avoid those people and you'll be alright.
>>3045051
>I was at a Japanese wedding reception one time, and all the friends of the groom suddenly stripped down to speedos and started dancing in a conga line on stage. Shit's crazy.
Doing an impression of the YATTA! skit isn't necessarily gay though.
>>3045065
>Doing an impression of the YATTA! skit isn't necessarily gay though.
That's my point, though. A homophobic society wouldn't permit straight guys to prance around in their underwear like that, for fear of being perceived as gay. Japanese masculinity is much more flexible in that respect, regardless of whether you're actually straight or gay.
>>3043221
>Ignore the Vita
Nice Vita mate.
>>3044358
BL is marketed at women, not gay men.
>>3045112
You're absolutely right, but there is some overlap. Fujoshi are just a bigger group, I guess. But games for the gay market did start appearing around that time, like Hotaru (炎多留).
Has anyone ever played Sotsugyou (Graduation)? It's supposedly the original dating sim, predating both Doukyuusei and Tokimemo. Although it's not exactly a dating sim, because you're a teacher helping the "problem girls" at school to graduate.
>>3045263
Some will call Tokyo Nampa Street the first, others Girl's Garden. Wikipedia also mentions Gakuen Monogatari and Galppo Club.
Graduation should really be considered more of a raising sim.
>>3045263
I played Graduation II on Saturn.
And yeah I'd put that in the raising sim genre (well, it says so on the box).
Like Princess Maker and Wizard's Harmony and such.Also that new Trillion game that's baffling everyone on /v/ because the English market has no history of this sort of game >>>/v/329859083
>>3045051
Nobody said that /vr/ eroges were homophobic, though, just "surprisingly straight".
And some gay routes in 10 otherwise straight games out of hundreds of them is pretty fucking straight, especially compared to the amount of homoge today.
>>3045368
I was responding to the Anon who said there were "absolutely no gays" in Japanese eroge before 2000. That's simply not true. Obviously there is much more variety today because the market has expanded and diversified.
Besides, rather than being "surprisingly straight", I think having even a small number of gay options in a game genre that is overwhelmingly targeted at hereto men is pretty surprising. When was the last time you saw a guy suddenly start going down on another guy in otherwise straight porn?
I also wasn't trying to imply that anyone here is homophobic. It was just a general rant directed at no one in particular.
Anything I should know for Douykuusei?
I have the DMM version which seems practically identical to the PC98 original save for an annotated map feature, multiple saves and graphics/sound.
God Knows taught me that the number of events is more important than the content of those events.
Do I have to sleep? I once accidentally got locked in the school and just passed time instead of paying the guy that lets you rest.
The PC98 and DOS/Windows versions are significantly different. The story was edited to be more romantic overall.
I don't think there's any real penalty for not sleeping, but I usually returned home at the end of every day, so who knows.
Don't worry about conserving money so much. There are several ways to get more over the course of the game, like construction site and the quiz guys.
It's impossible to do everything in one playthrough, so just fuck around and enjoy the experience, then go back and do things differently next time. That's what the game is about, really.
So I actually enjoy dating sims but the time limits and game-over criteria tend to turn me off. Can anyone recommend one that just flows naturally, where you don't tend to get stuck up on where to go, or if you're being 100% efficient?
I don't have nearly enough 80's-early 90's style anime in my life.
>>3046975
Tokimemo 2 from the OP is pretty relaxed.
Time limit isn't really an issue, unless you want to go for hard to get characters like the teacher, and you will have to actively try to get a bad end since childhood friend will be always all over your dick no matter how much of a fuckup you are.
Sounds like you want a visual novel rather than a dating sim. You should try To Heart.
In dating sims, the "sim" part of it is a deliberate game mechanic to make things more challenging. That's kind of the point.
But since we're talking about Doukyuusei in particular, the requirements for about half the girls are really obvious. You can get Miho, Misa, Satomi, the sensei, Mako, and Ako without even trying, because they basically stay in the same place the entire game.
The time limit is also a non-issue because you can get the flags for 8-10 girls at the same time if you plan ahead. Efficiency is definitely not required.
>>3047005
>childhood friend will be always all over your dick no matter how much of a fuckup you are.
This right here. This is the golden rule of galge.
>>3045051
>there are these 45-60 year old shitlords
go back to tumblr faggot
>>3047078
hai hai yosh yosh
Anyone got a good list of ps1 dating sims?
>>3047323
http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/playstation/visual-novel/
https://vndb.org/v/all?fil=tag_inc-39.tagspoil-0.plat-ps1
>>3047343
Thanks, dad.
>>3047323
Do you want just dating sims specifically, or visual novels/galge/bishoujo/whatever?
>>3046703
What are those question mark clock tower icons?
That wasn't in previous versions.
Is it some kind of easy-mode "this is where an event is" thing?
>>3046812
>The PC98 and DOS/Windows versions are significantly different
The "DMM original version" for Windows is different from the first Windows port.
It's non-voiced and supposedly has the PC98 text.
I hated the first Windows port; it ruined so many good scenes and even characters.
I haven't gotten around to the DMM version but if it is what it says it is then it's probably the best version of the game. (Though the Saturn version has a great voice cast.)
How come the original Tokimeki Memorial has never been translated into English?
because senpai hasn't noticed yet.
>>3047476
Because it has a well deserved reputation as being one of the most obfuscated games ever devised. There have been loads of translation attempts over the years, some by very talented individuals, all getting nowhere. I don't think I can do the explanation justice, but it's been discussed in detail in a few places over the years.
>>3047461
Quizzes
>>3047494
You'd think somebody would be able to rip the text from the PC version at least.
Is it possible to emulate Pia Carrot PC-FX in mednafen or am I just wasting my time? I'm using Retroarch. The game boots, but when I start new game, the screen just goes black after choosing a uniform.
>>3047673
I'm getting the same problem with RA but standalone Mednafen works fine.
Maybe RA has a problem with the odd resolutions of the FX.
>>3047019
>>3047005
Satomi in Pia Carrot is the hardest catch. She has high stat requirements across the board and actively tries to steer you in Shouko's direction.
>>3047719
>I'm getting the same problem with RA but standalone Mednafen works fine.
Thanks anon. I was about to give up and play the Saturn version, but it's working now.
>>3047860
The Saturn version is interesting as well. You get an extra character and FMV for each heroine whereas the PC-FX has an animated intro.
It doesn't have voices for the male characters though.
>>3048419
>It doesn't have voices for the male characters though.
Can't think of a time where I thought of this as an issue.
>>3047354
Good VNs and dating sims pretty much covers it. If you know more than what the other guy gave, I'm all ears. Doesn't hurt to have more options.
>>3043221
Nice collection. Are you the same anon that had the Doukyuusei novels?
>>3048531
May have been; I do have those.
I think this isn't really a dating sim, although there is a date on the game and 3 different endings, it's mostly a linear visual novel and basically you have no control over the outcome, you just select which ending do you want to see.
But damn I played this one again recently and I enjoyed it a lot. Left me with a bittersweet feeling though.
This was the first game of this kind I played back in the 90s on PS1, I played it in japanese so I didn't know what the fuck was going on, but I played (er, watched) through the whole thing anyway.
Been playing the PC version now.
While the game itself is pretty basic and you can barely interact, the production quality is top notch. Most of the scenes are still images but they're very crisp and clear, like watching an HD still from the actual TV series. And the few animated scenes there are are pretty amazing, especially considering it's all sprite-based, nothing is FMV.
Mana will always be my favorite Evangelion girl.
>>3042826
Started playing it and the cutest girl so far is my friend's GF.
This isn't going to end well
>>3048807
Kid's yellow-label Saturn ports have nipples obscured, but full ero text and voiced moans intact -- the Saturn videos get deleted from NicoNico when uploaded unedited due to explicitness.
PC-FX version is still worth checking out of course but the Saturn versions are pretty different from modern CERO-neutered eroge ports.
>>3049080
I played the game a few years ago. Not the biggest Evangelion fan but I enjoyed it. Short and nice.
Mana really is the best girl. Also treats Shinji like a human being.
>>3049893
Thanks, that's good to know. I was wondering how far the Saturn version went and how it handled the H scenes.
despite being a shitty hentai game true love had some decent mechanics that inspired a lot of shit
you could lose some hours playing it
>>3050030
I wouldn't say it inspired anything by itself, given that it was a blatant clone of Tokimemo, but I liked it overall. I really wish the events weren't randomized, though, because that just becomes a nuisance when you're trying to do a specific playthrough.
>>3050083
>Sounds like the whole ratings were a mess.
Ratings boards have always enforced arbitrary standards. The ESRB is especially full of shit. If a game like The Sims were to have two characters of the opposite sex get married and be able to engage in G-rated affection, the game would be rated E. Include the option for same-sex Sims to engage in the same actions and suddenly the game gets slapped with a T rating (or M / AO with some countries' ratings boards)
There was actually a documentary about this phenomenon (although aimed at the MPAA, it does largely apply to ratings boards in general)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_film_is_not_yet_rated
>>3050083
>Nonomura Hospital which was a red label game because of a few nipples but all the sex was cut out.
Yeah that was strange, especially considering Can Can Bunny Premier came out the same month, and that was red label with interactive sex.
I've always wondered if elf misunderstood what was allowed or they just wanted to make it like that for some reason.
Later yellow-label ports of elf games like Doukyuusei (NEC interchannel handled the port) and Kakyuusei (elf ported it themselves) are full of sex. Only Nonomura got that treatment.
>>3042704
>I learned Japanese so I could play Tokimemo and Doukyuusei
This is one of the saddest things I've ever read.
>>3050276
There was also the case of Word's Worth which ultimately wasn't even released on the Saturn. They ended up releasing it for Windows and it's missing nearly all h scenes from the PC98 and an explanation who fathered all those girls.
>>3050306
And just a few months later, that ruined Windows port of Doukyuusei with all those scene changes.
I wonder what was going on with elf at the time.
goddamn it fucking faggots ruin everything
again
>>3050303
>people have different interests
Leave the guy alone
>>3050303
And while you were wasting all your time shitposting, he learned another language. Looks like you're the real loser here bro.
Once again, our wonderful janny has randomly nuked half the posts in an on-topic thread. Meanwhile, that Gothic thread that has dissolved into a nonstop shitpost fest for the last 200 replies is still going strong.
Way to go, /vr/! I guess our janny is a repressed /pol/ shitlord considering anything mentioning non-heterosexual orientations gets nuked, and none of it was even mature in nature. But it's perfectly okay to discuss sexual content involving the female gender and even post risque images of said content.
>>3050303
I learned Japanese in order to read the original Akira manga. My friend learned Japanese to get a Japanese girlfriend. Other people learn Japanese so they can fap to anime without subtitles getting in the way.
Does the reason for starting really even matter? What matters is that you do it. Learning another language is one of the most mind-expanding activities you can ever do, and it opens up a whole new world of culture to enjoy.
>>3051080
There's only one nuked post in the thread and it doesn't have anything to do with gays, take your pills.
![[KH]_Can_Can_Bunny_Extra_04_(h264)_[D7582BE0].mkv_snapshot_04.22_[2011.04.11_08.54.17].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/isBP3Ct.jpg "[KH]_Can_Can_Bunny_Extra_04_(h264)_[D7582BE0].mkv_snapshot_04.22_[2011.04.11_08.54.17].jpg")
>>3050276
>Can Can Bunny Premier
Does somebody no more about the series? Wikipedia also lists is as a dating sim.
Is the Windows remake of the first game any good or should I go with the PC98 port?
>>3052134
Premiere's a linear "nanpa" (where you go after one girl after another in the same timeline) game with a command-menu adventure interface like Snatcher or Eve Burst Error (or other nampa games like Tenchi-tachi no Gogo). I guess people would call it a VN these days, though nobody uses that interface anymore.
Extra is similar but replaces the command menu with clicking on items of interest on screen.
Premiere 2 is a map & schedule/time limit game like Large Ponpon or Prime Girl, or a simplified Doukyuusei.
(｡･ω･)ﾉﾞ ｺﾝﾁｬ
>>3052150
>I guess people would call it a VN these days
People call _everything_ a VN these days.
>>3052181
Is that from a real PC or a VM?
I use to use Virtual PC 2007, but I upgraded to Windows 10 and now it doesn't work anymore. What's the best VM software for late 90s jpc games?
>>3052184
Rance is my favorite VN series.
>>3052150
The original Tengogo still had a text parser.
>>3052217
Oh whoops. That's what i get for making assumptions from later games. (I only played III Bangaihen.)
>>3052217
The remake was menu-driven though, wasn't it?
I really enjoyed Tenshi-tachi no Gogo. It's still in that pre-Doukyuusei, 1980s nanpa mode, but it's funny and not too long. Your friend in the game is one creepy motherfucker, though. Look at that smug piece of shit.
>>3043221
>But my favorite romance game of all time is Kakyuusei.
I played a bit of Doukyuusei and it honestly felt somewhat boring to me, is Kakyuusei supposed to be better or it's more of the same with a new set of girls?
>>3055049
Different kind of game.
Kakyuusei isn't story focused (well, the sequel is more so); it's like Tokimemo but without the stat raising. Takes place over a year instead of two weeks. The feeling of steady progress is great.
>>3052189
I use Windows XP Mode. Probably not optimal but it doesn't require much fucking around.
https://www.microsoft.com/ja-JP/download/details.aspx?id=8002
No idea if it works with Windows 10.
>>3055049
>I played a bit of Doukyuusei and it honestly felt somewhat boring to me
The beginning is pretty slow and everything feels kind of random. Keep going and the story with each girl starts to pick up. The game can go by really fast if you focus on just one girl. Just do her events for that day and then go to sleep.
What was the ELF game where they brilliantly decided to write storylines like "You're the rebound guy and the girl shouts her ex-boyfriend name during sex" which got everyone pissed at them and also foreshadowed their descent into NTR Nukige after all their talent started dying off?
Maybe I should play that and see if it magically turns into the Metal Gear Solid 2 of Dating Sims
>>3056892
I think thats Dokyuusei 2?or Kakyuusei 2?Someone at /a/ is talking about it.
>>3056903
They're probably talking about different doukyuusei.
>>3056934
I think it's Kakyuusei 2. They pushed most of their remaining resources into it and it bombed. They're not even a shadow of their former self since then.
>>3056923
I don't get what you mean by that pic,but I assume thats BL?
>>3056953
Yes, its Kakyuusei 2. Just confirmed it. Man the rage.
>>3056954
It's a recent anime movie that's also called "Doukyuusei".Yeah, it's BL
It's not the best one, but certainly a classic.
True Love Story seems to be one of the more decent Tokimemo clone series.
I love Kakyuusei 2, not as much as the first one mostly due to having fewer characters, but it's still great.
I don't like Tamaki's story, because it's rather un-Kakyuusei-like (there's no feeling of progress with her because the game limits you to treating her like a friend until one day she suddenly switches on her own from her boyfriend to you), but I didn't have any particular expectations going in so I didn't feel betrayed the way some people apparently did.
There's eight other characters besides Tamaki, and I had a good time with them.
Sentimental Graffiti is at least worth watching the bizarre opening sequence. The game itself is pretty awful from what I've heard, though. Supposedly most people prefer the anime and radio dramas based off of it to the actual game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiHzWWvksDw
>>3056903
>Spoiler text
Right now? Got the link?
>>3057145
No, It was around a month ago, forgot to say about it.And the thread is quite off topic too.
If its about Kakyuusei 2's main girl, someone will surely fill you in.
>>3056953
>They're not even a shadow of their former self since then.
Actually Elf closed down definitely last year. Their site will close later this month, so grab the support patches now.
>>3057656
Was there a thread about that?
I'm not sure if it's even sad since they had been dead either way.
Are other studios grabbing the licenses aside from Yu-no?
>>3057676
>Was there a thread about that?
Not a specific thread, but there were some posts on the J-PC thread back in October/November.
Probably the last time they actually tried with something was with the DK4 remake and that was almost 10 years ago.
Fuck yeah! I just imported Tokimemo 1 for the Saturn and what the fuck, I got a girl under the tree despite going out of my way to mostly study, work out, and look nice and ignoring the girls for the most part.
Are there default girls that you get even if every other girl in the game is an exploding bomb? I was kind hoping I could send the MC out to the tree where he'd be horribly disappointed.
Doukyuusei will probably arrive in a few months with a bazillion other saturn games, but I don't care about that one as much.
>>3050303
I learned the language without any real goal in mind other than maybe to teach English. Nowadays my learning is relegated to Dating sims and other games. I think having a goal and achieving it is far less sad.
Nobody loves me.
>>3058138
You have to work real hard to get some of these girls to be so negative towards you.
1998、win95、
>>3058528
goddamn i love 90s anime art.
>>3058138
can you make the boy love you=?
>>3058138
>貴方
>あなた
Is there any difference in tone between those?
>>3058596
No, you can only go after his sister.
>>3058750
Not in speech. They're both anata.
In writing, you could argue that the kanji feels more stiff and formal, but they're essentially the same.
>>3058794
that's misogynous and homo- and trasphobic :(
>>3045051
I heard that masculinity is seen as relating to homosexuality there, and that's why femininity is the norm.
>>3058826
I hope you're joking. Failing to accommodate a particular minority group is not the same thing as being whatever-phobic.
>>3058850
First of all, there has always been a link between bodybuilding and homosexual culture, even in America.
Second, Japanese ideals of masculinity have always been more, hmm, "metrosexual" compared to the West, as embodied by the concept of bunbu ryoudou (文武両道), for example.
Third, to a certain degree, being tough and masculine hearkens back to all the fucked up shit Imperial Japan did in the first half of the 20th century. Look at Yukio Mishima (who was also a bodybuilder, and possibly bisexual). I think being more effeminate is a way of rejecting the old militaristic ways.
Anyway, this thread has got me replaying ToHeart now. Aoi is such a little badass.
Any dating sim recommendation list?
I feel like I've played everything mentioned in this thread ;_;
>>3057081
I've always been interested in that but never got around to it.
>>3058902
Fuuraiki.
non-vr:Kimikiss, Amagami, Photokano
>>3058914
They aren't really retro but Enterbain games are pretty good. Not a fan of Kimi-kiss though.
>>3058914
>Fuuraiki.
This, the game is so comfy and interesting.I beat the route with the girl that had dissociative personality disorder. Is there a way to actually win the writing contest?
>>3045051
>shitlords
The fuck, anon.
>>3051080
Fuck off back to tumblr if you're triggered, you fag.
>>3057086
That OP is fantastic.
I didn't even know until just recently that the anime (Sentimental Journey) is based on a game. It's not even done in a way that would suggest it.
Has anyone played the Memories Off series? Tell me about it.
>>3058905
I watched a bunch of LPs on Nicovideo of it a few years back. I think the guy actually cleared every girl's route in TLS2.
>>3060267
Only the first one. They are straight VN's, they dont have dating sim mechanics, but some people like them because it's a nakige.
>>3061603
What makes a dating sim?
Time restrictions, money management and some affinity attributes?
>>3061619
Exactly, those were the basis of the nanpa genre back when it started.
Three Sisters' Story was very memorable for me. Very ero, but a surprisingly good plot. Graphics are heavily dated, but what're you gonna do? It was originally DOS.
