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>favorite shmups
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>latest accomplishments
Current events: CAVE event with a bunch of shmup devs on the 26th:
http://transition.tokyo/en
New to the genre of shmups? Check out this page:
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/shooters/shmups-101-a-beginners-guide-to-2d-shooters
Shmup Collection containing over 9000 MAME romsets:
https://www.mediafire.com/?48812jiax8m1c#nz0227tzb9zor
Decide the greatest shmup developer of all time here:
http://strawpoll.me/4496713
For a realtime chatroom, head over to our #shmups channel:
https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.rizon.net/?nick=Anon?&theme=cli#shmups
List of the hardest clears, ranked in order of difficulty:
http://www.wikihouse.com/stg/index.php?STG%A5%E9%A5%F3%A5%AF%B0%EC%CD%F7
Video resources that explain superplay recordings:
https://www.youtube.com/user/STGWeekly
Highscore tables for several shmups (can track your own):
http://www.restartsyndrome.com/boardlist.php
>CAVE
Meh.
>CAVE
Get that fucking bullet hell garbage out of here. Pic related the best shmup before fucking danmakufags killed the genre.
That was a great thread.
>>2855859
Fuck that, my pic related is better than your pic related
>>2855859
>snes port
Really?
Why the fuck do you still play these old ass games? Non-retro shmups are superior in every way. That's why >>>/vg/125141348 is the better general
>>2856193
>calls other people "old cunts with limited taste and skill"
>complains about prejudice
sasuga STG general
>>2856272
> Implies stating facts is prejudice
>licks windows
>shmups
>not playing the superior beat em up genre
>>2856654
Put yourself in the trash, please.
Shmups are as fun and doable as beat em ups despiet being more mainstream than the former.
>>2856654
Apples and oranges falling from the sky.
>>2856674
MASS HYSTERIA
>>2856654
>not playing both
>>2856486
>ad hominems like crazy because some people don't like the same games he does
>"I'm just stating facts!!"
sasuga STG general
>>2856692
>ad hominems
love this meme, screams betadom and autism liek no other
>>2856702
yeah, everything is a meme
>>2856654
>playing beat 'em ups not fighters
mega pleb tier
So which Gradius was the best?
>>2856705
Words are memes and memes are words. Ad hominem is a meme word. Meme is a meme word. Word is a meme word. Meme. Word.
Word.
>>2856712
All of them
>>2856712
>V<
>>2856712
The one that wasn't called Gradius.
>>2856709
>fighters
>not the most pleb genre
kek
>>2856727
>genre with one of the highest skill ceilings of any
>extremely high level of execution when you get to top tier play
>human vs human means strategy is constantly evolving and difficulty is as high as your opponent.
Come now friend, I like shmups but there's a reason that fighters still flourish as a genre and shmups are all but dead except for the odd gimmick game. There's a reason even old games like SFII and KoF98 still have tons of active players even to this day.
Not to rag on you too much, I know you're just joking anyways. But calling fighters a pleb genre is pretty funny.
>>2856737
You just stand on a flat line and spam combos at each other. Shit doesn't even have level design. How can you get more pleb than fighting games?
>love shoot 'em ups and fighting games
>the communities are truly terrible
Well, at least the FGC is hilarious to watch, like viscant vs LTG. But I still felt embarrassed watching that, even though it was entertaining.
STG community is not even fun, just the same internet arguments time and time again, boring.
>>2856743
>You just stand on a flat line and spam combos at each other.
Lol. There are really people who think that though, its pretty funny. Dont want to derail this anymore though. Just a bit of fun.
Are you playing Batrider to commemorate Star Wars 7 coming out this week, /vr/?
>>2856765
>danmaku garbage
Leave.
>>2856768
I, too, enjoy my threads to have nobody posting at all except to bitch about what others enjoy.
all this anti-bullet hell falseflagging
/vg/ must be really butthurt/desperate
>>2856775
You imply this isn't how /stg/ has been for longer than the shit on /vg/ has been back.
>>2856775
>it's just falseflaggers!!!!!!
Go back to jerking off to Reco you fucking pedophile.
>>2856773
Sometimes consistency is comforting. Maybe that's why he likes it like this? Who knows. Back to games!
Does anyone else here like the game Ikaruga? I've been playing it lately and having a lot of fun with the score system.
>>2856779
there's nothing wrong with being a pedo.
>>2856781
Final boss/es are cool, but I just cannot get into the rest of it.
>>2856776
Before there might have been one danmaku-hating shitposter but now the meme has spread worse.
>>2856783
It's ok because they're over 500 years old anyway.
>>2856781
There needs to be a Treasure general so retards like you can fuck off and never come back.
>i shoot thing
wow nice genre idiots
>>2856841
>you push buttons
wow nice medium idiots
>>2856737
>high skill ceilings
>high level of execution
>human vs human strategy
Right, because picking the most broken characters and executing infinites takes skill.
>>2856841
>loli shoot thing
BEST GAME EVER
>>2856871
this desu senpai. Deathsmiles II is literally the greatest game of all time.
>>2856765
I don't like either desu, Ibara is my fav yagawa followed by garegga and pink sweets.
>>2856781
>Does anyone else here like the game Ikaruga?
Not at all, I bought it years ago on dreamcast and couldn't believe the hype it gets I mean even ddp chaining is more fun.
>>2856737
>>genre with one of the highest skill ceilings of any
True but still no where near high level shmup or iidx play. Look how many niggers are in the fighting game scene and now try telling me how high the learning level must be.
Question: What's wrong with danmaku / bullethell genre that it brings forth so much vitriol out of some posters, and are there games that are comparably challenging without resorting to bullet hell gameplay?
>>2856937
Its just old fucks being old fucks however your last question well yes many classic shmups are extremely hard try samesamesame or maybe raiden 2 for example.
>>2856737
>there's a reason that fighters still flourish as a genre
Of course, because playing against other people is casual as fuck. Anyone can beat some random tards on the net. Shmups actually require dedication to be really enjoyable which isthe only reason why it's a dead genre.
>>2856927
But Batrider is Yagawa's magnum opus.
>all those bosses
>all those shot types
>all those secrets
>best OST
>quite possibly his most brutal game on high/default rank
>>2856712
Gaiden. V is great too, but I like the more "classic" weapons in Gaiden. The music and visuals are also much better.
>>2856937
"I don't like it and it's popular" in a very small community.
>>2856937
Bullethell games are all generic as fuck, without any originality. It's just rehashes upon rehashes and full of cheap waifu pandering. The community is full of animu girl avatar posting /jp/ freaks who think the more bullets a game has the harder it is.
It's cheap mindless twitch gameplay for plebs.
>>2856948
The cut and paste nature and sheer quantity of stuff is actually what i don't like about it just feels like such a mash up.You're off your tits if you think it has the best ost though... it's not near gareggas or pink sweets imo in fact its forgettable as fuck in general bar that farting robot garbage boss music which i wish i could forget.
>>2856964
>>2856783
Link to vid?
>>2856941
>Its just old fucks being old fucks
I'm 19 and I think bullet hell are a disgrace to the genre
>>2857080
>>>/youtube/
>>2857080
>I'm 19 and
>>>/suicide/
>>2857132
You just sound like a fag desu
>>2857080
The only disgrace here is you tbqh
>>2857152
You still sound like a fag desu
Is this the most hype moment in a shmup?
>>2857174
the kamuis getting blown up is better
>>2857152
>so basically, bullethell fags can't handle other people's opinions, got it.
I can't handle you sounding like a fag from YouTube, senpai. It's an opinion on an anonymous Korean flipbook site; a fart in the wind.
>>2856712
Whichever one's the best, IV is hands down the worst one (not counting the GB games).
>>2857506
>worst
>not III
The intentional slowdown even on Arcade, Cube Rush, and the dumb 3D bonus level killed it.
It was a rushed cash-in on the success of the superior I&II.
>>2857524
III is the third best.
>tfw you'll never own this rad jacket
>>2857174
that's not thunder force 4 stage 5 or thunder force v stage 5
Elder God Tier:
Gradius V
High Tier:
Gradius II
Mid Tier:
Gradius IV
Low Tier:
Gradius I
Shit Tier:
Gradius III
>>2857569
Literally backwards
>>2857569
spot-on
>>2857595
That's a hot opinion you've got there.
>>2857558
>thunder force v stage 5
That level was pumping metal.
But the final boss, god, that's probably the most intense boss level in any shmup. Even more so than the last boss of Ikaruga. Because you have this system where your extra weapons are absurdly strong, so they are your best choice of damaging the boss... but if you accidentally get killed, you lose them, and the boss becomes three times more difficult.
And also that thing just looks so beautiful. It's a giant green junk mecha that grows butterfly wings and then a huge glass saber that it can charge up with a full screen electric blast, or just swing around in berserker patterns covering the entire screen (you can't avoid them, the only way to 1cc it is to kill it before it can get there, or have enough shields saved up).
The synth metal + organ theme also pumps up that boss twice as much, and then the ending is just beautiful.
>>2857675
I never played any Thunder Force games, but you make me want to play that one. Saturn or PS1 version?
>>2857708
PS1 version has extra content, but worse backgrounds. Saturn has more slowdown, but nothing major.
I'm pretty much in a dilemma in Ikaruga... I 1cced the game on normal, and now I don't know wether I should play it on hard.
Hard mode is just hardcore as fuck, and the more I play it the more unlearn normal mode. But the more I play normal mode, the harder it will be to adjust on hard mode.
>>2857839
You should start by playing a game that isn't garbage.
>>2857852
Sounds to me like you are just too casual for it.
>>2856841
>i punch guys
wow nice genre idiots
>>2857506
>IV is hands down the worst one
Only if you're shit at Gradius. Just admit it you can't even get past the bubble stage can you? INB4 hurrr ugly grafix. Plebs gonna pleb.
>>2857856
Ikaruga is easy as all hell. You don't even have to try to dodge bullets in it aside from that one part in stage 4 and the crap bosses. Literal snoozefest.
>>2858120
i used to like beat em ups a lot as a kid but i just dont see the appeal anymore. they are slow, sluggish and a lot of the arcade ones are full of cheap deaths
is there any good 90's PC shmup?
https://twitter.com/cavegames/status/677031565663211520
Cave's crappy new mobile app boosted sales of SDOJ.
>>2858138
>is there any good 90's PC shmup?
Mame, there's lots.
>>2858204
I wonder if its caused by genuine curiousity or just plain disgust for the mobile port.
Can't really tell.
>>2858132
Sounds like you need to get better.
>>2856862
It never gets old seeing what people who don't play fighting games think they're actually like.
>>2856936
lol racism. That's weak reasoning even for here.
>>2856946
>Of course, because playing against other people is casual as fuck.
This is just hilarious. Of course playing against bad players is casual, but people seriously into fighters seek to play against people of the same or higher skill level because that's what makes it most fun.
Don't get me wrong, I love shmups. But they never react to you in the way a human opponent will. Your strategy is always just figuring out how to beat what the game has laid out for you, you don't have to think on your feet or have to try to out think an opponent.
That's what fighters are really about. All the perfectly practiced infinites and combos are no help at all if you don't understand the fundamental mind games and strategy.
>>2858382
>you don't have to think on your feet
Haha fuck me you clueless fucking cunt this couldn't be farther from the truth. Go play any yagawa game and see if you still feel the same about your opinion. The thing is i've played fighters and shmups to a competent level and appreciate both greatly but you're really talking some clueless shit. Beating the game is fucking beginner level in shmups for a start however to score well requires an absolute fuck ton more effort than playing fighters it's not even fucking close. Take SPS ketsui world record for example that dude has been constantly grinding that game for 7+ years, Kamui has been grinding and beating her Garegga WR over and over for even longer... crazy amount of time. At the top tier it's a different level of concentration,patience,frustration,execution that fighters will never come close to I mean fuck how long do you have to focus for a match? 2/3 mins? A 2 loop run of Ketsui will require 40 fucking minutes of flawless execution and concentration of the highest order and lets not forget the parts of the game that have RNG which will force you to think on your feet something which you think is absent through inexperience.
>>2858531
I don't think you got what I meant with that statement. I mean that you don't have to think about your strategy on your feet in the same way. It's just an effect of any multiplayer vs game that when your opponent is a human instead of a computer it ads another layer of what you're dealing with.
If we were talking purely single player, then shmups are certainly a more difficult genre. Fighters suck when playing the computer because it's impossible to program AI that can even come close to a human player so they all have to cheat. When you bring living, thinking opponents into the mix though all comparisons go out the window. RNG is not really comparable to someone actively thinking against you.
>Take SPS ketsui world record for example that dude has been constantly grinding that game for 7+ years
And similarly, there are people still trying to master Street Fighter 2 after almost 25 years. Because it's not really about beating the game, it's about beating your opponent. And your opponent is always learning and trying to overcome what you're doing.
I really don't want this to be a big debate about shmups vs fighters or anything though. I just think it's funny when some shmup fans are as reductive or dumb as these >>2856936 >>2856946 >>2856743
That's all it was. I was just poking for a few laughs. I'll disappear now and just talk about shooters from now on.
>>2858552
Now you've made yourself a little more clear i kind of agree with you for the most part. The bottom line though really is fighters, shmups, rhythm games all take a fuck ton of time and dedication to become good at and i respect them all for that fact alone.
>>2858132
I'm pretty sure you haven't even 1cced the game, let alone reached a decent score.
>>2858382
>people seriously into fighters seek to play against people of the same or higher skill level
This is only a very small amount of them though. The person I was replying to argued that the genre is still popular because it takes skills, while shmups are dead because it would take no skills. Actually the complete opposite is the case.
The vast majority of people who play fighting games are total casuals. And that's also exactly why the genre is still popular. Because it's casual friendly as fuck compared to shmups. And high level STG players also seek to beat higher highscores, so competition is not just happening in fighting games, you fucktard.
>>2858706
>The bottom line though really is fighters, shmups, rhythm games all take a fuck ton of time and dedication to become good at and i respect them all for that fact alone.
Yup and I agree with this as well. That's why I like all three genres.
>>2858552
>When you bring living, thinking opponents into the mix though all comparisons go out the window
Yea, because most living, thinking players are dumb as fuck. It's like playing against the average person on 4chan. It's no challenge at all, which is exactly why retards like you praise this cancerous genre so much.
You fighting tards always act as if every won match takes as much skills as a tournament final, while winning matches in these games is actually something any retard can do with 2 hours of practice.
>>2858779
Just a big lol to all of this. I know I said I'd be quiet, but your anger and oversimplifications are just too funny.
>>2858801
I'm not oversimplifying anything. The average person who plays fighting games is not good. It is no challenge to beat them. Yet you fighting tards always act as if every match is a tournament final. This is as if I'd say every score I make in shmups is a world record. It's just retarded.
>>2859121
I'd rather a community of elitists who actually play these fucking games and know what they're talking about than clueless collector cunts and nostalgia tards like you who know absolutely fuck all about this genre at all. Please give us more ill informed opinions on how you like some shmup based on aesthetics alone or maybe some ill informed bullshit claim about some game being to hard or lacking some design that you aren't even good enough to recognize in the first place. Elitist just means dedicated individuals with a real passion for what they do and is a term coined by casual cry babies who don't have it in them to not be lazy degenerate fucks who collect things to make up for their lack of skill at everything that requires effort. The shmups community is to busy playing and enjoying what it does to care what outsiders think anyway. You stupid cunt with the i.q of a carrot.
>>2855835
Thread descended into shitposting on literally the first reply.
A new record for /stg/.
>>2859342
>negative opinion of cave
>hurr shitposting
>>2859345
It was posted just to start an argument, it's shitposting.
If you think that posts like that are at all constructive, go back to /v/.
>>2859341
I've seen scoring replays of Ikaruga. It just doesn't look fun to me, especially compared to other shumps out there like Battle Garegga or Dangun Feveron. And yes, I've 1cc'd Ikaruga already. I don't get why you guys act like that's such an impossible feat. That game is not that difficult unless you're a shump scrub and it's the only bullet hell-esque shooter you've ever played before in your life.
>>2859402
>It just doesn't look fun to me
Because you're a baddie.
>>2859405
Kill yourself my man.
>>2859405
>bad because you don't want to score in Memoshit: The Game: Brown & Bloom Edition
ok kid
Treasure ranking:
Gradius V > Bangai-O (DC) > Bangai-O: Missile Fury > Radiant Silvergun (360) > Ikaruga > Silpheed: The Lost Planet
Y/n?
>>2859491
Make Ikaruga stop being a shit game first then I will consider your advice.
So err. When did we manage do achieve this level of retardation on this board?
>>2859507 exhibit A
>>2859515
When neo-/v/ found out about the existence of /vr/.
>>2859515
The only retardation is people unironically thinking Treasure makes good games.
>>2859507
So you blame the game when you can't get good?
does anyone have the cave fans vs raizing fans pic?
Does anyone know the name of the main designer for Fever SOS? Such a fun little shooter.
>>2859538
Doom babies have been here a while now actually
>>2859402
Of course it doesn't look fun to you, because are a danmaku tard. You are completely unable to cope with anything which actually requires some thought input. That's why you rather play your generic unoriginal twitch based games for plebs.
>>2859515
When we didn't redirect danmaku tards to their own threads.
>>2856936
>2dx takes skill
shit weebs say
>>2859674
I blame the game for not being interesting or enjoyable, yes.
>>2859719
>says the Cave drone hugging its waifu pillow
>>2859693
>calls other people danmaku tards
>yet likes a game that has danmaku elements
You Treasure drones don't even make any goddamn sense, it's hilarious.
For the record, Ikaruga isn't even Treasure's best shmup, let alone good.
>>2859724
>danmaku elements
You mean a smaller hitbox or what? Wow, big fucking deal!
Ikaruga still plays completely different than boring danmaku shit.
>>2859728
We get it, you love Ikaruga because you're too pleb to even 1-ALL Donpatch as you need a ship that can absorb all bullets on screen and give you infinite bomb supply. Go back to sucking off Iuchi's "masterpiece" you colossal nooblet.
>>2859737
>a ship that can absorb all bullets on screen and give you infinite bomb supply
It's called originality and tactical depth. Just like R-Type is original due to its force pod. No wonder all danmaku games play completely the same..
>>2859750
I'm truly speechless at your delusion. You Ikaruga fanboys may just be the most idiotic and naive posters on 4chan, if not the entire internet.
>>2859765
We're not fanboys, we just got good while all you can do is bitch on 4chan.
>>2859768
Show me a picture of your Ikaruga clear+score instead of shitposting then.
>>2859768
>got good
>at a game that doesn't take any gitting gud at to 1cc especially compared to CAVE games
Oh Ikarugafags, never change! Your idiocy gives me a hearty chuckle.
>>2859765
I'm not a fanboy, I just like STGs. You are obviously better off on /jp/ with your generic danmaku waifu pilots.
>>2859776
You can 1cc Mushihimesama pretty much blind on normal.
>>2859431
I prefer the N64 version of Bangai-O over the DC, better controls and more challenge with the combo system.
>>2859776
Let's see that score.
>>2859784
I asked first, Ikaruga cocksucker.
>>2859776
Ikaruga's difficulty is nothing special for a modern STG. The same also goes for modern danmaku games. They are all pretty easy on normal. It's like the first loop of any arcade game. They are always not that tough.
>>2859780
And a potato could clear Ikaruga. Your point?
It's always the same with you guys, everyone claiming every game is "ezpc", but nobody ever posts scores.
>>2859797
It's only the danmaku tards trying to shit on everything which has some originality.
>>2859797
Post your scores is a /jp/ meme, also there's no way to prove it on an anonymous board.
>>2859792
My point is that Ikaruga's difficulty is nothing special. There are many modern games which are far easier on normal. Take Crimzon Clover for example. Another game you can 1cc blind, so casuals like you can enjoy it too.
>>2859817
>Ikaruga player calls others casual
Oh I am laughin. Keep up the great material, mate.
>>2859821
All of Cave's games are far easier though.
>>2859839
That's why it took 7 years for someone to clear DOJ Death Label, right? Fucking retard.
Ikaruga might as well just be a puzzle game. There isn't even any weapon management in the game, you just absorb shit and hold down the shoot button the whole time. Where are the items? Did Treasure forget about them?
Are all shmup threads like that? I cleared my first shmup recently and I just wanted to lurk and pick up some recommendations on what I should pick up next. Mushihimesama hype threads on /v/ were much better than this.
>>2859902
>you just absorb shit and hold down the shoot button the whole time
Sounds like you really suck hard at this game. But no wonder, cause that's all you learn from danmaku garbage.
>>2859908
Yes, STG cult ruins everything they touch.
>>2859909
>criticism for a game
>lol u just suck
Can't Ikaruga fanboys do any better than this? You're the Dark Souls fags of the shmups world.
>>2859908
You should visit the general in vg instead. /vr/ threads are nothing but shitposts at this point.
>>2859908
It's mainly only on /vr/ the case. because here are still people who prefer the more traditional type of shmups, instead of danmaku games with cute little girls in them.
Shmups nowadays are a completely different genre then it once was. It attracts a completely different audience. An audience who like MLP shit in the games instead of spaceships. That's why these threads are always so full of shitposting.
Go to /vr/ if you want to be amongst your fellow Cave drones
>>2859919
*go to /vg/
>>2859915
Saying you just hold down the fire button is no criticism, it just shows how bad you are at the game. Your score must be abysmal if you play like that. But that's just what you learn in danmaku crap.
>>2859919
Guwange is MLP shit? Ketsui is MLP shit? Progear is MLP shit? Go back to jerking yourself to R-Type you autistic tard.
>>2859926
Who cares? I 1cc'd Ikaruga. If I wanted to score in a shmup I'd do it in a superior shooter like Dodonpachi or Mars Matrix anyways.
>>2859926
It's generic animu shit for children. Back then it was generic shit for children, nowadays it's generic animu shit for man-children.
>>2855807
Why is there no Touhou on that picture?
>>2859936
I don't believe you one bit that you 1cced it. Even people who are really good at chaining often can not 1cc it, let alone dumbfucks who just play the game like generic danmaku garbage.
>>2859951
Because Touhou is a dodge 'em up, not a shoot 'em up.
>>2859945
I don't see how that makes it comparable to MLP in any way.
>>2856781
Yeah, Ikaruga is great! You should try out Touhou one day too!.
Ikaruga is my favourite puzzle 'em up. Are there any more like it?
>>2859953
But you shoot things in Touhou too?
>>2859954
Just ignore him, the anti-danmaku Ikaruga-loving shitposter is grasping at straws and going into full damage control now.
>>2859954
It's dumb cutesy stuff just like MLP. It#s no wonder all the Touhou fags go to Cave when they want new games. Cause Touhou is pretty much the eastern equivalent to MLP.
>>2859961
The shooting is secondary to the dodging and can be safely forgotten.
In a game like Gradius 3, you're actually paying attention to how you aim your shots at enemies.
>>2859963
>any of those games listed
>dumb cutesy stuff
Why are you even replying when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about?
>>2859965
All the games you listed draw their attention with generic animu shit for children. It's cheap otaku pandering.
>>2859972
I'm not wrong though, you are just too retarded to see it.
All the games you listed pander to dumb children. Nowadays they pander to dumb man-children with big breasts and cute little girls.
>>2859985
>>2859986
>>2859985
>>2859986
>>2859987
>>2859990
>posting art because the games themselves are dogshit
>>2859986
Nice animu shit in the bottom left, hypocrite.
>>2859997
That's not generic animu shit though. Ikaruga's art is actually tasteful, plus the focus also still lays on the ships.
>>2860002
>>2860002
>It's ok when Treasure does it!!
Face it, manchild. You've been defeated at your own shit-argument game.
Muh edgy grimdark characters to appeal to fedora tipping autists like R-Type Boy, Destroyer of Danmaku.
>>2859928
>Progear is MLP shit?
Well it does have an in game dating sim.
>>2859839
>All of Cave's games are far easier though.
Do you honestly believe this? Even Caves 1 loop games are all harder than Ikaruga and as for the 2 loops it's not even close.
>>2859919
You and like-minded shitnozzles are the fucking reason these threads are nothing but genre wars you dumb fuck.
There was absolutely no reason for you to shit on danmaku yet again, his question did not prompt that in the least. But you just have to get it out of your system every 5 minutes, followed with the same retarded "animu girlz" argument.
I wonder what your typical conversation IRL looks like.
>Anons mom: Hello dear, how was junior high today?
>Fuck danmaku fans, those waifu-loving autists!
>Ok honey, don't forget to take your pills!
>>2860040
Don't remember that girl anywhere in the game.
>>2860118
how did scoring work? you cancel bullets into gems by starting a chain reaction by killing stuff with the focused/homing shot, you cash in gem value by canceling bullets with a bomb
>>2860159
>>2860159
>you cancel bullets into gems by starting a chain reaction by killing stuff with the focused/homing shot, you cash in gem value by canceling bullets with a bomb
Christ no you never want to bomb in progear as it depletes your gem counter. Basically you cancel bullets that are within a certain proximity to enemies with the fast shot (tapping A or auto C) and hold a to suck them in until the bottom right gem shows the most profitable diamond thing then you kill enemies with the focus shot when lots of bullets are within there proximity to cash in big, rinse repeat.
>bottom right gem
I meant bottom left.
>>2860290
I see, thanks that is very helpful, I thought you cashed in by bombing because apparently there is only a 3 bomb stock limit with no increase.
>>2860302
No and the gem counter carries over to the second loop, your mission is to raise it as high as possible so bombing destroys your score.
>>2860302
Oh and another thing to elaborate on a little the 3 bomb limit really becomes clear when you get into the second loop as it is the first cave game ever to have checkpoints (only in 2nd loop) so those bombs can become the difference between clearing a level and loosing a run from being chucked back to some obnoxious checkpoint.
>>2860316
So it's literally R-Type now.
>>2860319
Well it's akin to both rtype and gradius i guess and i have no idea why cave did it (experimenting i guess) they have openly expressed that they consider progear a failure however which is pretty funny considering how popular it is.
>>2859908
Only the ones on this board.
I like all shmups
>>2859851
That's just artificial difficulty.Treasure actually makes their games fair and challenging. People who enjoy Cave games enjoy B-team trash like Dark Souls 2.
>>2860151
You sound butthurt as fuck, danmakutard.
If you don't wanna get shit, don't start shit.
>>2860125
They are not harder at all. They just appear harder since they are so boring to play through.
If Ikaruga wouldn't have difficulty selections but 2 loops instead it would be pretty much the same.
>>2860584
I really hope you're trolling desu for your sake. Ikaruga is barely a mid tier difficulty clear and that's a fact it's also a very very boring game at high level play. Even on hardest it's no where near any cave second loop not.even.close. I laughed at you calling games boring when you are to shit to even clear a first loop to begin with.
>>2860927
Caves second loops are just a streaming simulator. It all just comes down to streaming the whole time and searching for the best hole to slip through. Plus some memorization where to use bombs the best. It's simple as fuck.
Ikaruga on hard is way harder than this, since you basically have to perfectly chain through the game.
Which one do you prefer when playing vertical?
>>2860156
She's the pilot of the P2 ship.
Also, have some more generic anime shit in Treasure games. Bangai-O has a loli too. Your favorite company is just as guilty to pandering to animefags as Cave and started before them.
>>2860537
And now you're deluding yourself into thinking that it's me who started it?
Look at the beginning of this thread and the post I linked. Who's starting shit out of nowhere again?
>>2859851
That's just artificial difficulty. Team Shanghai Alice actually makes their games fair and challenging. People who enjoy Treasure or CAVE games enjoy B-team trash like Dark Souls 2.
>>2861043
Danmaku tards started it. Learn to read. It was your kind which started to bash on games claiming their generic danmaku shit would be so much better.
>>2861043
You do realize you're feeding trolls that have already derailed a thread for 48 hours, right? Talk about video games, not people shittalking about games, man.
>>2861070
shut up faglord
>>2861070
You do realize you're feeding trolls that have already derailed a thread for 48 hours, right? Talk about video games, not people shittalking about games, man.
>>2861082
You do realize you're feeding trolls that have already derailed a thread for 48 hours, right? Talk about video games, not people shittalking about games, man.
what do 2hus farts smell like??
>>2861098
Like sulphur and dick
>>2861098
I think Ren's would be cherry scented since she's clean and pure!
But honestly, why do danmaku fags constantly have to shittalk about Ikaruga? I mean how butthurt can you get?
The game is not perfect I know. Playing without score in mind can get pretty boring. However, it's still an awesome shmup and quite unique.
>>2860464
>using the term artificial difficulty unironically
>still won't post your Ikaruga score, proving you only like it for its aesthetics and "originality" over actually playing the game good
Into the trash you and Ikaruga go, poseur.
Shumps are for autistic babies. I love tooty shooty dogey sometiems bombey gameys. Require 0 skill, and are all about memorization. Only dipshits who spend about 6 months studying every single sequel on the screen can get past the first level of any game.
>playing games where all you do is pilot a ship and shoot at other flying objects
N I C E
>>2861130
>Shumps are for autistic babies. I love tooty shooty dogey sometiems bombey gameys.
Wow, real nice argument there dipshit. I might as well simplify games like Street fighter into mash ups where you go near people and fucking mash buttons for easy combos and and just fireball all day and win? Or say fps is just run around and shoot em up!!!!!!
Eat fucking shit faggot.
>Require 0 skill, and are all about memorization. Only dipshits who spend about 6 months studying every single sequel on the screen can get past the first level of any game.
If it takes 6 months to memorize simple fucking patterns because your autistic adhd addled mind can comprehend some patterns then you might as well off yourself faggot.
>>2861126
>still butthurt that you suck at the game
Not him, but if you post your score i also will post mine.
>>2861137
can't
>>2861152
yes
>>2861140
I'm not the one claiming Ikaruga is god's gift to man and has the deepest scoring of all time. Burden of proof lies on you.
>>2861158
ur hella gay tho
>>2861158
Where do you get the impression from that anyone here claimed this? Stop talking so much bullshit ffs.
Ikaruga is not perfect but its still pretty damn awesome.
>>2861164
Read the posts by the guy that calls people who dislike Ikaruga "danmaku tards", for one.
>>2861171
Well you are obviously danmaku tards. And I have no problem with people not liking the game. To each their own. However, you don't have to rub everyone into their face everytime you get the chance how ostensibly garbage Ikaruga is.
>>2861176
It is garbage though.
>>2861182
Your waifu invested danmaku shit is garbage.
Why the fuck would you not just play Pilot Wings?
>>2861176
Ikaruga is far from awesome though. Stage-long chains are garbage. Color-coded chaining is garbage. Bullet absorption is garbage. The bosses and bullet patterns are garbage. Ikaruga is, for all intensive purposes, a kusoge, and the most overrated one at that.
>>2861190
Does Pilot Wings have waifus?
>>2861193
Sounds to me like you just suck at it. Probably too dumb to even chain through the first stage. No need to get so butthurt about the game tho.
>>2861198
>muh chains
Sorry kiddo, I don't have severe autism like you.
>>2861202
Oh I forgot, danmaku tards just jerk to theri waifus instead of playing the games.
>>2861190
>playing some shitty flight game
>>2861198
Show us your Ikaruga replay with these amazing chains of yours then, if you think you're so good.
>>2861198
Nah body I think you're just some idiot kid who can't grasp how not good Ikaruga is.
>>2861198
>playing Ikaruga for score
el oh el. You might as well be playing Touhou for score instead, at least those games have some RNG attacks in them to spice it up. Though I bet R-Type Boy couldn't even clear a touhou on easy mode, for shame.
>>2861206
>playing some shitty shooty dodgey
>>2861208
I never said I was good at the game. The skill ceiling in it is way too high for that.
>>2861217
Indeed, touhou doesn't have any shields or bullet absorption, so the Ikarugafag would get absolutely decimated in them.
>>2861217
>danmaku tards praising their beloved touhou shit again
Go to /vg/ if you want to circlejerk about your waifu games
>>2861223
Well at least you admit you are shit then, acceptance is the first step, R-Type Boy. Now you should stop sucking off a game that belongs to a genre you know nothing about because you aren't even a true shmupper, you're on the level of some IGN reviewing dolt.
>>2861231
Why are you retards even here if you have such a problem with these mechanics?
In R-Type you also have a shield. In Gradius games you have a shield, etc
There are a fuckton of shmups with imilar mechanics, and it doesn't mean tat they are easy at all.
Just go back to /vg/. You obviously dont even play any shmups, but just jerk it to danmaku waifus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95rZ4knycM4
why is this game so bland and laggy
