Is pinball /vr/?
I fucking love pinball. Playing Pokemon Pinball on my GBC was a lot of fun and actually taught me a lot about how to hit specific targets on a cabinet! The city I live in has a lot of pinball cabinets around so whenever I'm bored I can just throw a few quarters in and play. Pic related, my fucking favorite
However, are pinball cabinets video games?
Im pretty sure it is!
I love pinball aswell and play it anytime i see one. sadly i dont think there is any in my hometown :(
Only if they're in videogame form.
>>2846794
>Is pinball /vr/?
Jesus Fucking Christ does no one read the sticky at the top of the page?
>>2846831
There have been plenty of pinball threads on /vr/ and there was a general that was active up until a few weeks back.
Google "so you want to play some pinball faggot?" for a link to the last thread via the archives.
There's plenty of info and links n shit.
>>2846794
>are pinball cabinets video games?
Great question OP, I hope someone here knows the answer.
Unrelated, what other pinball machines do you play?
>>2846847
Thanks for the tip! I'd really like to up my game.
>>2846852
I usually play every cabinet a location has, even dumb ones (I'll try to find the specific one that I fucking hate playing on but I like it because it looks stupid) but I came across this bad boy today.
The sound effects are kind of annoying and totally over the top but it's worth it, that and the layout is pretty sweet.
>>2846867
>>2846824
Nah nigga, read the sticky, pinball is allowed here, vidya AND real.
>>2846852
>are pinball considered video games?
Some tables used the digital scoreboard for mini games(like the T2 pin) and what not but other than that I would consider them just 'games' myself. Good question tho.
>>2847681
they're not video games, but the board says retro games, not retro video games. However they do sit right on the border to video games. No generic screen as output (the primary output of a pinball is the playfield, the dot matrix is aux data), but a complex inner state, be it hardwired, solid state, or a ROM and a CPU, and controller-like input
4chan users are so stupid. Can't read stickys and don't use the catalog. Really sad.
Kirby Pinball Land is the best Kirby game.
So where do you guys live, what pinball machines are in the area, and do you own any yourselves?
i have an eight ball deluxe and i'm planning to buy myself ahigh roller casinofor christmas, i live right between san diego and los angelos, i got an arcade 3 minutes away from my house with Pinbot, and F-14 Tomcat, what about you guys?
New England fag here. Pinball Wizard Arcade in Pelham, New Hampshire has literally over a hundred machines, and they have Groupon discounts. Hit them up if you have the chance.
>>2846826
Oh shit, be cool guys, it's Hitler on the right ringing them bells.
There's some good places in Sydney. You just have to look
>>2847716
>So where do you guys live
People's Republic of Sweden
>what pinball machines are in the area
I think there might be a Twilight Zone table at a bar downtown.
That's it, that's all I've seen.
This is one of the biggest towns too.
>and do you own any yourselves?
No
>>2848797
didnt italy and france have pretty active pinball manufacturers in the 70s and 80s
>>2849013
Yes we did, mostly for bars, but most of them have shut down in the 2000' in France, and there hasn't been an arcade scene where I live, so vidya pinball is almost the only pinball I ever played. I can't even remember the few tables I played IRL because they were really generic, I was already glad to find one.
>>2849503
The rest got blown up in 2015.
>>2848490
I'm in Maine, dude, I will check that shit OUT
>>2849013
Maybe, but I don't think we ever had much of an Arcade culture here in Sweden. I'm born 92, but I have seen very few arcade machines outside of the Finland ferries.
Thar bar downtown has a room full of arcade machines, it's the most arcade cabinets I've ever seen on land, there's an airhockey table and the Twilight Zone pinball table there, as well as a House Of The Dead cabinet.
There's an adequate selection of games, but I can't help but think this doesn't compare to a real American arcade (the ones that are left). I think rates are higher too. American machines are typically fed quarters, in Sweden, you put in a 10sek coin in almoat all machines, and that's almost a dollar. They don't seem to compensate for the higher cost in my experience.
Damn it would be nice to live in the US, for arcades, and many other reasons.
Pinball tables are even rarer.
The TWZ one was like the first one I had seen in a decade. I think I saw a T2 table at a fair once, it ate my coin and didn't let me play.
When we moved into our new house this machine came with it. They patched the basement door leading outside so there was no way of moving it without destroying it, so we kept it. Was a family hit for a few years but now is collecting dust. Could use a few repairs but neat nonetheless.
>>2849878
captain fantastic is top tier
>>2849880
dude, read the post, anon said it's in the basement
>>2849880
Its actually an awesome game. I love the targets.
>>2849865
>real American arcade
Most arcades are long gone but they are kinda coming back mostly in the form of barcades. The last REAL arcade I was in was the Galloping Ghost in Chicago(pic related). Place had practically every cab you could think of. I have a couple more pics I will put up. Nothing up close just hallway shots like the pic posted.
>>2849891
how much money did you leave at that place?
>>2849893
A couple hundred but not from playing. Picked up a cab the owner was selling before they opened for the day. Wish I could of stayed and played a bit(he offered) but had a couple hours drive and had to get back for an engagement party later that day.
>>2849903
>>2849910
Like I said before, each shot is a different hallway. This place had an insane amount of games.
>>2849924
>>2849929
>>2849936
>Galaxian
>Galaga
Are the cabinets in a particular order?
>>2849940
If I can recall correctly it was mostly done by genres. You had all racing games in one hallway, beat em ups in another, fighters had a corner, etc.
>>2849960
Last one. Guy had a couple pins also but surprisingly not that many.
>>2849013
>didnt italy and france have pretty active pinball manufacturers in the 70s and 80s
For italy see Zaccaria
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaccaria_(company)
>At their best time, Zaccaria was the third largest company of pinball machines in the world after Bally and Williams. The company also entered into the video arcade game sector in the late 1970s. Therefore, they licensed games and developed some games with their own designs
The remake of Timeshock finally got its PC version, but it's only a hastily compiled release with the minimum functions needed to run.
Apparently the default "high" view (which isn't designed for cabinets per se) looks incredible on a cabinet, though.
>>2852006
actual release, or just preview/work-in-progress?
Will it be available outside of the kickstarter and outside of steam, when it gets released?
>>2852006
I think it's a disgrace that the PC version is merely an afterthought, instead of being the definite or primary version of the game. After all, it's the most versatile platform, in terms of connecting to virtual pinball machines or non-standard displays and inputs. What happened to ProPinball being about the most realistic pinball you could get without a table?
>>2852006
Where? Has it been released to the public yet?
GUYSStill going to pirate it because $150 for pinball is way too much, plus Farsight is a shitty dev that never fixes year old glitches
>>2853613
>$150 for pinball
One table, or what do you get for that price?
>>2853619
Pretty sure that would be all tables to date, or most of them one would hope. I think they're up to season 4 now or something?I have TPA on android and PC but I haven't paid a cent so I can't complain about the prices or table accuracy
>inb4 that guy who has a personal vendetta against TPA
>>2853613
>$150 for pinball
That's ten percent of what my cheapest real machine cost me.
>>2853821
that's what I was thinking. Also, it's about 10% of a cheap virtual machine, and it's probably little more than a month of budget for real machines at the arcade
>>2853821
Still, I come from a poorfag land where even $30 for a game is pushing it so $150 is fucking insane
>>2853613
>>2853619
>>2853818
>>2853821
>>2853824
>>2854415
If you want to buy tables for Pinball Arcade, start with their "Season 1" pack, perhaps grab Season 2, then cherry pick from the newer seasons, unless there are enough tables that you like in a given season that the sum of their combined cost is at least as high as the bulk price.
You see, Farsight Studios really frontloaded their good tables when they started, then they jacked up prices and changed the pricing structure when they realized their mistake. The end result is that you get less for your money as you buy newer tables, in terms of both quantity and overall quality. Nowadays, their draw is releasing uncommon or licensed tables, which can be really hit-or-miss for people, because the prices are now so high. If you really like an expensive table, hold off on buying it until you consistently hit the cutoff score (which has been getting harder and harder to do, because Farsight has been wising up there, too). Other than that, you could always check out the free table of the month when you're bored.
>>2854939
Or you could just pic relatedfor free
>>2855553
>stealing is alright when I don't like the dev
>>2855567
>having any kind of emotional attachment to the companies from whom you pirate(piracy isn't theft)digital media from
>current year
Is there actual strategy to pinball? Are some cabinets more difficult than others? Pinball fascinates me because I feel like I've missed out on a whole generation of games because I was born later.
>>2856613
>Is there actual strategy to pinball?
With enough practice you can control pretty precisely where the ball will flip to. There are also a handful of common techniques to put the ball where you want it, like switch sides and stuff. Pinball can be a highly controlled game.
When you're out of the reach of the flippers, you can still have some control with bumping the machine. There's hardware inside to keep you from fucking with it too much, but skilled players understand when to bump, and how to bump, to keep the ball(s) in play.
>Are some cabinets more difficult than others?
The positioning of ramps, targets, the rewards you get for them, and the followups you can do after you hit something, vary greatly between tables. Some tables can be stupidly frustrating, because you can never get into the flow, targets are painfully difficult to hit, and the tiniest mistakes can you make lose the ball. Other tables meanwhile can be pure bliss, where you feel like a god. That's on top of the tasks of the table actually being entertaining.
>I feel like I've missed out on a whole generation of games because I was born later.
Go browse the web for local machines. There are some dedicated websites, but even a generic google maps search can help. While you'll likely not find any dedicated arcades or anything, if you're in a moderately big city, you can find places that have the occasional machine put up.
If all else fails, you can still do any of the numerous simulations on consoles and computers. While of course not as involved as the real machine, they teach a lot on the general concepts and flow of play throughout the ages.
>>2855602
>missing the point and pretending that dishonesty doesn't need to be justified
>>2856945
Wherever it is that you come from. Go back there.
>>2846867
MY LIFE WAS DULL
MY LIFE WAS DRAB
'TIL I ACQUIRED THE GIFT OF GAB!
Dr. Dude is the fucking best, but it's a real quarter eater.
>>2849559
Hey, have you ever been to Coast City in Portland?
They've got a great pinball collection, and they're always changing them up too
>tfw they got rid of Scared Stiff
South Park has a really good pinball game in the app store. One of the smoothest virtual pinball games I've ever played. They have two machines to play on too. South Park pinball and Butters very own Pinball Machine. Really addicting although the Butters game is way way harder.
>>2856953
Yeah, that layout is cheap as hell, but the theme is pretty fun.
just got pinball arcade just for the addams family and im blown away
>>2857860
elaborate. What about it specifically? What's your prior pinball experience?
>>2856613
>Is there actual strategy to pinball?
Massively yes. Go check some tutorials to see....
https://www.youtube.com/user/PAPApinball/videos
>>2854939
>hold off on buying it until you consistently hit the cutoff score
this has taken me under 2 minutes on every single table they have released, you must be pretty shit if that cut off is high enough.
$150 to play digital pinball games with bad physics seems stupid when you can play all the same games with 1000 MHz physics for free.
Or buy an actual EM table.
>>2858235
Basically this however many people still have issues setting up vp which i have no idea why. I tend to play pro pinball most these days (fantastic journey) and real machines on sundays making pin arc obsolete.
>>2858235
>>2858282
And here comes the vp squad shilling their "muh accuracy" bullshit.
Samefagggots
>>2858427
No comment on the table, but that figurine looks kind of "cheap", which is probably reasonable/necessary for their production. However, are there after market manufacturers, that produce higher quality variants of these items, so you can make your table look better?
>>2858427
Pro pinball isn't vp squad though. It's not shilling it's stating facts pinball arcade is total shit but if you're happy with it knock yourself it it's your money but it's still shit though.
If you are ever in the SF bay area check out the Pacific Pinball Museum on Alameda. $15 for a whole day on a ton of tables.
>>2858105
ive played actual machines as a kid. Is pinball arcade really that bad? I just pruchased season 1 pack and having tons of fun, the physics seem fine and all the sounds/graphics are really nice
>>2856967
Yeah, that's right in my backyard son! They've got sweet cabs and cool comics, I wanted to pick up the latest Zim comics while I was there but I wanted to drink and play pinball.
>>2859163
It's not perfect, but it's fine for goofing off. Some faggots around here simply shit on it because they demand ultra realism, even though they're still just playing on an emulator.
>>2858504
It's a common complaint with Stern machines.
There's quite a few third party modders going around
http://mezelmods.com/
http://pavlovpinball.com/official-mods-on-the-cards-at-stern-jjp/
>>2859497
perfect would be the real machine
>>2856967
fuck, it aint a bad table.
though, i may be favoring it because of sexy Elvira
i was always thinking of grabbing pinball arcade since it has addams family and that table is stupid expensive. kicker is some guy in my area has one at a car detailing place, not sure if he knows what he has either. i should toss him like 1k for it.
>>2859497
>even though they're still just playing on an emulator.
I play both so it's nice when the emulation (vp 10/ pro pinball) is very similar to playing a real machine. Pin arc is a bit of fun sure but most of it's tables now are available for vp10 with far superior physics for free so even if we just pitch pin arc against vp10 why bother with the inferior pin arc?
>>2853613
>>2854939
Don't buy pinball arcade tables. The physics in that game are so fucking bad it's ridiculous. And I'm not only talking about vid related, it just feels completely wrong.
You can try all tables for free though (game will stop when you reach high score #4) and learn the table rules. Thats the only thing the game is good for basically.
Timeshock's physic engine (released in 1997) is a million times better. It's still being used in the remake but they said they will make a new engine (which will take them like 5 years considering their working pace)
>>2847716
N. Ca. Current collection: Earthshaker, White Water, Guns N Roses, Doctor Who, Jurassic Park, Funhouse, Gilligans Island, Roadshow, Whirlwind, Twilight Zone, a pitch and bat, a shooting gallery, and a 15' small ball bowler.
>>2855602
>piracy isn't theft
It certainly is if we're talking about a product that's still being sold and marketed.
I mean, I don't think it's the most serious of crimes, but you can't say it isn't theft.
>>2860185
>Timeshock's physic engine (released in 1997) is a million times better.
Fantastic journey and big races were even better again with full 3d spin models where as timeshocks original release was 2d spin model although they all feel fantastic obviously.
>>2860026
>elvira with her breasts hanging out translite
>tfw i saw a creature from the black lagoon playfield with the girl thats in a swimsuit but naked, and some alternate art high roller casino translite
Who is responsible for these?
>>2860185
>someone saved my webm
>physics topic
Has anyone gotten live catching or cradle separation done accurately in any pinsim?
>ProPin, VisialPin, FuturePin, ThePinArcade, Unit3DPin, Pin Labs
>>2860908
I can do absolutely everything i can do irl on pro pinball yes including live catches and cradle separation.
>multiball interactions that require cradle separation
Since I don't go out of my [county] way to go play real tables.. which of these are actually able to be performed?
>physics 3.0
>this is not a live catch
>this is a reversed drop catch that happens to have the flipper up
>>2860943
>pre-physics 3.0
>this is the same as the previous, a reversed drop catch with the flipper up.
>>2860943
>>2860949
>b-but what's a reversed drop catch?
TPA is an amalgamation of flipper zoning hacks.
>>2860949
>>2860957
>if you were frame perfect you could cancel the bounce by activating the drop catch zoning hack, pre-physics 3.0
>>2849884
I like you
Not my pic, but they just put one of these in my local pub. Galaga is right next to it. Also When I first got a NES back in 86' I loved pinball on there. Family would play it all night writing their scores down on paper. lol
are there universally agreed on excellent tables, that you should play if given half a chance?
>>2863092
>universally agreed excellent tables
Addams Family easily lives up to the hype. If you see one, play it. Heard how great of a table it was and finally had the chance a couple months back to try it out. Bunch of other pins and cabs at the arcade but I just kept gravitating back to the AF table all night. Sooo good.
>>2863092
Addams Family is the biggest selling table of all time, it's mad popular and fun.
Twilight Zone was Pat Lawlor's follow-up, hellishly popular as well but can be intimidating for the uninitiated, as >>2863325 mentioned.
Medieval Madness and Attack from Mars are pretty much the same table with different themes, but it's a great design and easy to get into.
Lord of the Rings is popular despite being a piece of junk, its convoluted ruleset makes Twilight Zone seem like tic tac toe.
Basically if you see a Williams table play it. They produced some of the best and highly regarded tables especially in the late 1980s and early 90s
>pump up your collections
>>2863092
I once lived near a Burger King that had an Addams Family and a Medieval Madness. I went there only to play pinball and not buy food. Both are great. I think MM is just slightly better.
The multi-ball in Tales from the Crypt is awesome. Revenge from Mars is also really cool with the holograph over the table.
>>2863768
> tfw collection needs pumping
>>2846794
>went to see Star Wars last night
>cinemaplex had a mini arcade
>played pinball on a Terminator 2 pinball cab
>sucked
>played pinball on an Elvis pinball cab
>destroyed
I'm coming back and playing Elvis pinball more often. The T2 cab had a weird gun trigger thingy instead of a traditional ball launcher that may have messed me up.
>>2863956
The gun launcher is suppose to be like that and how could it have messed you up?
>Decapitation by fist
>the whole move your car segment
>choking the snackbar dude and blowing the place up
Good times.
Anybody else have the problem that the Windows version of Pro Pinball: Timeshock! crashes hard with a DirectX kernel issue? nvidia GPU. I miss playing that table.
>>2863092
Taxi, diner, and fish tales
Diner's my personal favorite
all three of them have some catchy tunes, and fun playfield layouts
Help me out, /vr/. I remember playing a pinball PC game, I want to say it was late 90s, but might have been early 00s (for some reason I'm thinking 1998). There was a horror table and I remember the graphics being pre-rendered. I seem to remember there being a mansion on the artwork, but that might be wrong.
I've been trying to find this game and nothing really hit that "nostalgia zone" where I know for sure I've found what I'm looking for, so there's a chance I'm remembering things wrong.
>>2863317
>Addams Family easily lives up to the hype.
Completly disagree, it's extremely over rated play and only popular due to the timing of it's release with the successful film and not because it's actually good.
>>2867385
tried this?
Haunted House table fits your description.
>>2867467
It wouldn't have been so popular if it wasn't any "good", furthermore it's still incredibly popular whilst the movie it was based on has been pretty much forgotten.
Game of Plebs table unexpectedly turned up in my neck of the woods.
Played it for 30 mins.
Pics incoming.
>>2869664
>Pics incoming.
opinion please as well
>>2868964
That might have been it, but I remember the table having rails and the table being darker. The sights and sounds are familiar though. Maybe I'm remembering all of Microsoft Pinball at once.
The true OG pinball game
>>2868964
>It wouldn't have been so popular if it wasn't any "good",
Incorrect it's only a small percentage of people who even know how to play most people get drawn to the gimmicks and presentation thus why addams family is extremely popular with most people and rarely comes up in actual great players favorites lists.
>>2870058
>>2870065
Not him but:
https://pinside.com/pinball/top-100
Addams Family is ranked #6. This is a weekly ranking and I have never seen AF outside of the top 10 the handful of times I have checked the rankings.
If anyone is curious how they rank pins:
>This is the Pinside Top 100 list for December 20th, 2015. The list is compiled weekly, and consists of all 70117 approved user ratings on solid state games. A game currently needs to have at least 15 votes from approved raters to appear in the Top 100.
The next Top 100 update will be in 5 days and 12 hours.
>>2870093
>consists of all 70117 approved user ratings on solid state games
That actually would match the point >>2870065 was trying to make. The majority of user ratings are from non-pros, who, in anon's opinion, are swayed by gimmicks, presentation and peer pressure ("hey, I'm not a professional, but people love the table, and I had fun, so it must be an awesome table"). Meanwhile the few pros would, again, in anon's opinion, rate the table lower, because it isn't that exciting to play.
>The next Top 100 update will be in 5 days and 12 hours.
Kind of meaningless, because the user ratings won't and can't change that drastically. It helps to bring new tables into the ranking quickly, but beyond that, the ranking's probably fairly stable.
![Space_Cadet_Pinball,_Visual_Comparison_of_Full_Tilt_and_Windows_XP_versions[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/esV9Jpp.png "Space_Cadet_Pinball,_Visual_Comparison_of_Full_Tilt_and_Windows_XP_versions[1].png")
>>2870058
Did you know this is a low-res demo of Full Tilt pinball?
>>2870140
it is my understanding that Full Tilt itself also included the lower resolution, for people that couldn't run on higher resolutions
>>2870140
can you really call it a demo, if it's not advertising the actual game at all? It's more likely MS just went with the cheapest licensing deal they could make
When the hell is williams or whatever their called now, going to fix the physics on diner I spent 3 minutes slapping the machine trying to avoid a tilt only for it to fall into the outlane
>>2870283
maybe you shouldn't fiddle with your camera while playing
>tfw love playing virtual pinball, pinball arcade etc
>tfw never seen a real pinball machine in thee flesh let alone played on one
They don't seem to exist in the UK any more.
>>2853619
70 tables?
Season 1 has 21 tables, Season 2 19, 3,4 and 5 have 10.
>>2856953
Dr Dude has fucking amazing music
>>2870416
season? sheesh, I'm too old for this shit
>>2870426
Wait for them to come on sale. Season 2 is on sale atm.
Season 2 has some great tables. Probably worth it for Pin Bot alone.
>>2870405
That blows.
I own a Bally Mr & Mrs Pacman and a Bally Special Force and got em kept away in my basement (live in NE US).
They're a pain in the ass to keep maintained, though. Got them both in a not fantastic state (a lot cheaper, 650 and 700 for both) and have yet too get them both to be 100% (it's been about 7 months).
>>2870432
Noice
I'd love to get one in the future but they take up a lot of room and the maintenance aspect definitely seems like a pain in the arse.
Plus you have to rent a van or something to go pick the bloody thing up.
>>2870405
>They don't seem to exist in the UK any more.
If you're in the southwest the arkade on minehead seafront has around 12 all kept to great condition. There's actually loads about if you bother to try looking. Here try this and see whats near your area. http://www.pinformer.co.uk/
>>2870651
>loads about if you bother to try looking
There's fuck all in my area mate I've checked before. Spiderman nearby apparently and that's it and I'm not sure that's there any more since the place where it was has been redone.
>>2870654
Still worth checking though as spiderman is a great game.
>>2851698
theres an app on android with all the zaccaria tables free to play
>>2870651
Thanks for that link, I just discovered a place nearby with a lot of machines.
>>2860387
This argument is so stupid. You're buying a digital copy of something, of course it's theft if you pirate it.
"it's not physical so you can't steal it!!!!" is a totally illogical justification for piracy. Pirate stuff if you want (I do) but please don't try to act like it has no economic/moral consequences. Most of these games have hundreds/thousands of hours poured into them, at least respect the people who made it enough to acknowledge that their work is not worth nothing because it can be duplicated.
>>2870452
I took my moms Honda Pilot and it fit just fine. Probably could fit two desu. Just find a friend/parent (most moms) who's got an SUV or something and drive out. The problem for me was moving it down stairs. That was terrifying.
>ctrl+f
>no mention of zen pinball
So, what does /vr/ think of zen pinball? Seems to be the de-facto way to play new pinball tables on consoles nowadays.
>>2871056
Gimmicky, but not in a good way. Just not my thing. Odd because I usually love video game renditions of pinball.
>>2871056
Zen Pinball is very good, physics-wise, but the sound design is too restrained and quiet. Real pinball machines, especially the 80s-90s Williams games, have loud, booming sound effects, catchy, up-tempo music, and enthusiastic shouting voiceovers. The Zen Pinball tables feel kinda lifeless and subdued by comparison.
>>2870309I never take my phone out while the ball is in motion, i only take it out to take a picture of either a ball stuck somewhere that you think would never get stuck or to snap a picture of a high score.
>>2871056
i'm sure its actually alright, but i personally really dislike it I probably dislike for nit picky reasons though the speed trail of the ball bothers me because the ball is going nowhere near as fast for the trail to even make sense, the sound design is lacking. normally im not a big fan of pinball machines attached to todays big name media, because i tend to dissmiss them in my mind as lazy cash grabs.
But in Zen pinball alot of the tables with big media brand names attached to them lack deep rulesets, have nearly identical playfield layouts between each table, the playfield art itself feels pretty half assed and the art is very cluttered because for some godamn reason the top half of EVERY table has to have an assload of ramps all in the same area.
I've played both stern family guy, and the one for zen pinball the difference between how lazy the zen pinball family guy table is disheartening, and coming from someone who really isn't fond of family guyI would take SERIOUS consideration into buy the machine if it was cheaper personally
>>2866103
as an alternative, does anybody happen to know where to find the Kickstarter update of the original timeshock? Not the Ultra version, just the cleanup of the old game to work on newer machines
I ALWAYS have Sonic Pinball Party on every device
it's mandatory to emulate
something about fuckin pinball man it's so addictive
fffffuck, someone took my Grand Champion score on Whirlwind. I barely made it at 19 million, then walked in today to find it knocked off by some fucker with 23 million, time to get back to work.
>>2872969
why that game in particular?
>>2872971
how long did you work on that 19 million? I don't mean how long that particular session took, but how many days, weeks, months or whatever, you've been chipping away at this table to get that far
>>2872987
The game has been in the arcade for about 6 months, but I've only spent about 4-5 days of repeated play, so not much. I would say my average score is about 7-9 million.
>>2873017
ah, if the game has been put there recently, the top score is probably in the process of being established. Go show 'em you belong on top
are widebodies an improvement or gimmick?
>>2873221
Some things like Hercules and Safecracker are gimmicky.
If designed right, a widebody can be a great thing.
>>2872971
I own one of these. I used to have an Earthshaker too.
>>2873252
a question to you, and other owners: how extensive is the required maintenance? Like, how often do you need to fix something, or let someone come in to fix it? How much do you need to put aside for regular maintenance?
>>2872971
on Dr. Dude there's a shot that erases the 3rd high score, guaranteeing you claim it for yourself once you finish
i bet that got a lot of people coming back to play it back in the day just to keep their name up there
>>2873307
Jesus Christ, that's ingeniously evil.
>>2873257
Rest assured, if you have a machine, something WILL break on it.
I'm lucky in a sense that I've got a friend who actually enjoys working on old electronics. He comes over and fixes shit for free as long as he gets to play the machine. I still have to buy parts when necessary, but I don't think I've spent more than $200 total on parts this whole year.
>>2873579
what stuff is usually failing? Also, are newer or older machines a bigger pain? I imagine older machines have electronics and electric components that tend to fail easier, while modern machines probably replaced formerly sturdy bits with cheap plastic or other weak materials
>>2874515
Not that guy but playing pinball a lot out in the wild I notice that most machines require some maintenance frequently. Usually not always replacing broken parts but tinkering and adjusting...
Flippers get stuck on the regular. Bumpers, kickouts and slingshots can fuck up and require tinkering and readjusting frequently as they, like the flippers, are always getting lots of use and wear and tear during play.
If it moves and/or is mechanical it's going to malfunction or break at some point.
I'd like to own a table but the upkeep can seem daunting.
>>2874515
Any part of the machine. Really. Anything from displays to lights to flippers to bumpers to rubber rings to switches to driver boards... anything.
One of my machines had all of its general illumination out. Turns out it was a burnt connector on the board.
Board issues are the worst because your entire game can get fucked up. I was lucky it was just the lights.
Game of thrones.
Crowded as fuck. Tries to be black knight but doesn't come close.
I've never seen the show so I don't know what half of the shit that is going on.
Repetitive animations and sound effects, if you love the sound of fucking crows belching constantly then you might enjoy this.
>>2876101
The only good thing that I can say about it is that the build feels quite solid compared to older Stern tables.
it's coming...
>>2876678
When?... try the veal
>>2876678
They have this at one of my local dive bars.
>>2876721
Are you playing it?
>>2865090
I dunno. All I know is that with the T2 pinball I didn't even crack 1 million but on Elvis pinball I got to 3 million quite easily. I think it's a design flaw. That arcade also has an Addams Family pinball that I have yet to try. My goal is to get at least 20 million on one of these machines.
>>2879258
Those button launchers are the norm on certain games. T2, Star Trek Next Gen, Medieval Madness, Rocky and Bullwinkle among others have them.
>>2879258
Also you can't compare score from machine to machine like that.
>>2873237
Dialed In is way more gimmicky
>>2870675
I bet you tried to convince people to pay the suggested retail price of $199 for Farsight's "Action 52" game back in the day also.
They sure have a history of putting so many hours into their product and charging a fair price.
>>2879906
Yeah but that's not out yet right?
And how can you define what a gimmick is on a pinball table? The introduction of flippers could be construed as a gimmick that has become a mainstay. Solid State Electronics? When they were introduced didn't they make them chime and click in an attempt to sound like EMs? Sounds gimmicky.
Gimmicks done right... Champion Pub anybody?
>spinning 2 sided bash toy
>jump rope
>speed bag
>jump ramps
The ultimate gimmick table has to be The Twilight Zone, insanely popular but overloaded to the point that even Lawlor has admitted in hindsight that "I may have gone a bit too far in some places".
>>2881981
what about it?
>>2882739
>>2884047
That's just a single machine copied digitally
>>2884789
How so?
>>2884832
You take the picture of one machine, then duplicate it, and paste it. You repeat that until you reach the number of machines you want to show.
>>2886280
frankly, when I noticed the date, I thought about derping, but I'm not entirely sure what desktop publishing could do at the time.
We're both in agreement though that the flyer is deceptive, so it's all cool.
>>2884835
You mean they didn't line up all those tables like that?
>>2886285
Yeah, I think they only pretend on the flyer.
The table that white dude in blackface is playing on looks kind of flat. Though I suppose that's because the stuff on the playfield is all on one level, and not staggered towards the rear, like on quite a few modern machines
>>2886290
The only reason they started to slant was to allow big toys and gimmicks to be placed toward the back
>ywn play pinball at CBGBs with David Johansen, Lenny Kaye, Dee Dee Ramone & Andy Paley
>>2886296
yeah, I realized that while I wrote my comment. The angle of the actual field has not changed. Still I'm more used to that slanted design.
Hey anon, got a quarter?
http://vpuniverse.com/forums/files/file/3730-metallica-pro-fs-pm5/
>>2846794
so what do you guys think about the newDominos Pizzapinball machine ?that was announced somewhat recently?
>>2887251
Looks pretty basic desu senpai
>>2887301
>8balls
>basic
dude!
>>2886320
Yeah, take two. Glad this NYC pinball ban is over.
Kansascityfag here. The Up-Down Bar & Arcade opened up this year about 4 blocks from me. 78 cabinets, including a dozen pinball machines, Addams Family, South Park and Terminator 2 foremost among them. Every machine in the house costs a quarter, they've all been waterproofed from beer spills, and giant AC fans keep the house cool when packed.
My only problem is I appear to suck at Addams Family pinball.
>>2888367
That's crazy. I understand a Barcade's main source of revenue is booze but a quarter for every game is a loss for them when you factor in maintenance.
>>2888474
Bars and pubs are getting in on that hipster money by stocking niche microbrewery craft beers and spiced rum cocktails n shit. The kind of elite super filtered by hand pure arctic stream shit that they can overcharge for that take advantage of the current trend of beer and alcohol snobbery.
Arcade machines need fuck all maintenance and venues make sweetheart deals with the guys who rent them out. They don't even have to pay for the machines (bar electricity) just promise some real estate where people will play them, the machine guy keeps the coin profits as long as the machines are up and working.
>>2888490
So, the anon you're responding to said the low charges don't cover the maintenance cost, and you respond by saying maintenance costs don't matter, and the owner of the machine actually just gets the money put into the machine, and has to deal with the maintenance cost, as no other aspect of the pub can be used to subsidize the machines? Somehow I don't think you thought that plan all the way through.
Keep in mind that Anon was talking about pinball machines, not video games. They do have non-trivial maintenance costs, thanks to all the mechanical parts.
>>2888474
You're right, and they don't even charge that much for the hipster shit like truffle pizzas and Surge cocktails.
However, the owner of the space apparently is an old wizard himself, and tinkers with the cabinets for fun, and they do charge 10 bucks an entry for the N64 tournaments each week, so they gotta make some profit that way.
>>2888754
I know somebody who rents out arcade machines as a 2nd business, it's not his day job because it makes barely enough to survive on. I was basing "my plan" on the owner of the bar not owning the actual games. As 78 machines, a few pintables is a big cost outright if you're starting up a new Barcade.
But you sound like an expert on the matter so why don't you answer his question and cut the passive aggressiveness?
>>2888859
>But you sound like an expert on the matter so why don't you answer his question and cut the passive aggressiveness?
I was pointing out that anon was dismissing the core points the other anon brought up, not more.
Are there any tables besides Hercules that use non-standard balls?
>>2889040
Cue Ball Wizard had pool balls in it. They weren't the main balls though.
>>2889040
Twilight Zone also had a ceramic ball for its gumball machine feature.
>>2889040
Viper Night Drivin' has glow-in-the-dark balls.
