We can all agree this is the greatest Castlevania game of all time before IGA ruined the series with SotN, right?
I'm sure everyone will agree with that
Well, I fucking loved it. But watch egoraptors sequelis episode on castlevania.
Meh, it's pretty easy, the music is boring, the slowdown is horrendous, the graphics are poor, the bosses are easy, the platforming is awkward, there are no multiple characters, there are no branching paths, and it is slow even for a SNES game. I would say Rondo of Blood is the best, followed by Dracula's Curse, then New Generation and Chronicles. IV probably places sixth after Vampire's Kiss.
>>2824295
>watch egoraptor
No, no. People should form their own opinions.
I must be one of the only people that feel like 4/BL/Rondo are on similar levels overall, and that post SotN games are a different genre entirely.
>>2824281
>IGA ruined the series with SotN
Your thread is shit.
Rondo is the best classicvania. SOTN is my fav game of all time tied with Doom 1/2. Shit thread
>>2824317
>unironically liking casual Metroid ripoffs with shit corridor level design, broken RPG system, pathetic bosses and an epic cinematic experience
>>2824301
>listening to other opinions=not forming your own
You can do both at the same time. Other people provide information, perspective and context that might have been missed on an individual level. You can even come to the conclusion someone else has after you listened to their opinion and still be thinking for yourself. After all, the only options are agree or disagree and forcing yourself to disagree is just letting someone else think for you in a different way.
>>2824295
>watch egoraptor
>like CV4, you're an AVGN fanboy
>dislike CV4, you're an Egoraptor fanboy
Either way you lose. Can we quit bringing up e-celebs now?
Egoraptor is a proven retard that just says shit to be a contrarian, not to mention he's shit at all games. Why the fuck would anyone cite him as a reference? Jesus
>>2824323
I mean when it's just you, yeah that's all well and good, but god the contrarian parrots that man spawned. Most of the social aspect about these games outside here (and sometimes in here) will be point for point off of those videos with no extra input of their own, it's disgusting.
All while a more neutral and subjective tone was possible, but wasn't taken by him. I'm not going to recommend anyone listen to someone who presents their case with such a slant and takes their word for fact.
>>2824339
Stop defending Igarashi's trash, kid.
SotN was a shit game.
>>2824345
I don't think you understand how this works but when I redirect your kind to /v/ YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FUCKING STAY THERE! NOW GO BACK FROM WHENCE YOU CAME BEFORE YOU FORCE YOU THERE MYSELF!
I always enjoyed playing Super Castlevania 4 growing up, but something always did feel "off" about how the game completely ignored all the advances made in the series through the NES / Famicom games like the branching paths / exploration that Simon's Quest introduced and multiple characters that Castlevania III introduced. Even the final battle with Dracula is anti-climactic when he doesn't truly take on a "final" form.
When I finally got to play Rondo of Blood via emulation about ten years ago, it clicked for me: Here was the heir to the gameplay and mechanics of the NES trilogy that we were denied so long in the West.
Everything about Rondo of Blood makes it the best Castlevania, bar-none: The music, the presentation, the cut scenes, the multiple branching paths, hidden maidens / various easter eggs, being able to play as Richter or Maria, it all just clicks and is definitely the direction the series should've gone wholeheartedly after the 8-bit years.
>>2824335
After all the talk in his sequelitis video about how easy Castlevania IV was due to the multi-directional whip and then him and Danny got butt-blasted by how "hard" the latter levels were. Dude is clearly a poser faggot who didn't even bother playing past the first three or four levels for his critique video.
>>2824357
>him and Danny got butt-blasted by how "hard" the latter levels were.
Not that I want to bring them up in a serious conversation but if I remember correctly, they stopped because of the part where you can duck under some spikes but Arin kept saying they couldn't, and kept dying. I seriously remember that ending the play, and was one of the big alarms to stop watching.
I still consider it a feat of mental gymnastics to consider the multi directional whip a 'complaint' somehow. I get his point, I just think it's a stupid point to base a negative opinion off of.
>>2824339
Just because you see it as beloved doesn't mean others do. I don't remember anyone liking it, but not many people owned Super Nintendos. All you're saying, really, is that people shouldn't be allowed to criticise things you like or have differing opinions.
Can we all agree that Dracula X is shit though?
>>2824364
That's Vampire's Kiss, right? I don't think it is shit. Why don't you like it?
>>2824363
>Just because you see it as beloved doesn't mean others do
OH FUCK OFF YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT! EVERYONE AND I MEAN LITERALLY EVERYONE LOVES SOTN AND IF YOU TRY TO CLAIM OTHERWISE YOU'RE A MASSIVE FIBBER WHO NEEDS TO GET THE HELL OUT OF MY BOARD!
>>2824365
Have you played Dracula X: Rondo of Blood?
>>2824367
Why do different perspectives make you so angry?
Lol egoraptor is a bitch. Complains about scv4 and he even bitched about sotn in another vid. Saying its a bad designed game and you need a guide to figure shit out. Then when bloodstained kickstarter came he jumped the bandwagon and made gamegrumps play sotn. Worst part is they didnt finish it and every moment watching it was hilariously bad
>>2824368
Yes. I thought by 'Dracula X' you meant the Snes game, as that's what it was called in North America.
>>2824370
IT'S NOT A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IT'S COMPLETE BULLSHIT! FUCK OFF I'M SICK OF CUNTS LIKE YOU SHITTING UP MY BOARD WITH YOUR HIPSTER RETRO CRED GARBAGE! STOP HATING ON PERFECT GAMES AND GO HATE ON CRAP WORTH HATING ON LIKE SIMON'S QUEST! FUCK YOU FUCK OP AND FUCK EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS STUPID ASS /V/EDDITOR GARBAGE! I'M FUCKING DONE WITH YOU CUNTS!
>>2824365
Yeah, the SNES one. AI is shit, the sound is scratchy as fuck, character movement is stiff as fuck and the levels are pretty shitty for the series' standards... it's just a poor experience for a game that came after SCIV and RoB.
>>2824374
Are you being serious right now?
>>2824381
I don't think he is and I don't think he has been the whole time.
>>2824332
I despise both of those creeps and all e-celebs.
I think it goes Rondo > Bloodlines > IV
But IV is still quite a good game.
Thank you.
>>2824384
III is the third or second best game, not IV.
>>2824381
Im not as mad but all these fags that go around saying classicvania is goat and iga is trash is dumb.
Classicvanias are awesome cause its challenging. Igavanias are fun cause of the exploration. Both are good. Faggy classicvania only nerds can fuck off. They were great for the time and are still great but iga saved the franchise for a while til konami became jews. If sotn didnt save the series it wouldve died off sooner. Classicvania wouldnt make it past the snes gen era unless it was a budget game
>>2824374
>fucking normies reeeeeese
>>2824392
Stop acting like your opinions are facts.
>>2824350
I don't see how you can consider RoB innovative, it felt like it followed too closely in 3's footsteps and didn't really deviate much compared to the evolution of 1-2-3. 4 was good for it what it was intended to be, a reboot of the first game with modernized (at the time) controls and level design to fit them, like whip grappling. Yeah it had branching paths but I'd rather just play through every stage instead of having to choose either the upper path or lower path of a level, like what's the point in a sidescroller.
>>2824395
Stop being a faggot
>>2824385
I love how no one gets sarcasm in 4chan. Its like you guys are literally autists
>>2824398
Good one.
>>2824402
Not really. But i guess thatd be good for faggot
>>2824396
>instead of having to choose either the upper path or lower path of a level, like what's the point in a sidescroller.
This sentence proved you haven't actually played Rondo of Blood and you're full of shit.
>>2824364
SNES Dracula X was good, I would say it's even better than Bloodlines.
>>2824401
>"But I'm not! I'm the only well-adjusted 4chan user here. No one else can say that but me"
>>2824405
Not quite that good. Better than IV but worse than III (which is worse than New Generation).
>>2824404
Retro gamers now are faggot kids that watch avgn and think they know everything by watching his vids
>>2824405
I'm not even that big a fan of Bloodlines but it's waaaay better designed than Dracula X SNES.
>>2824404
Name a level where choosing the next level wasn't based on whether you were on the top portion or lower portion of a stage.
That aquaduct level? Fall down the bridge to get to the B level.
That water level with the frogs? Choose the raft that goes down a waterfall instead of the path that goes right.
It makes half of the stage entirely optional and it's stupid. Just make it into the full length of the game instead of splitting the game up into paths.
>>2824409
That's not true, that's just what you call people who disagree with you.
>>2824415
You are such a douchebag cock sucker
Rondo of Blood is for faggots and weeaboos, the only good thing about that game was the bosses and music, but the actual controls and level design were shit compared to IV.
>>2824389
I meant out of the 16 bit games.
>>2824418
So two major parts of the Castlevania franchise?
>>2824401
The problem is people act like this for real so it's hard to tell other then the caps.
See >>2824409 and people who unironically hate an entire medium and everyone on it, as well as an entire generation 35 and under.
Not only do people do it, it's more common for them to do it than not to do it here. I know it seems like it must be a joke but for a lot of those people it's not.
Rondo of Blood > New Generation > Dracula's Curse > Chronicles > Vampire's Kiss > IV > Castlevania > Simon's Quest
There. It's settled.
>>2824437
Bloodlines is way too high, IV is too low.
>>2824437
The two things you're right about are Rondo is the best and Simon's Quest is the worst.
>tfw Adventure ReBirth will never leave Wiiware imprisonment
feels bad man, it deserved better than to be ignored by the casual wii userbase
>>2824441
New Generation is great, it deserves to be where it is. IV isn't bad, don't get me wrong, but it's not a standout in the series.
>>2824405
I usually shit all over Bloodlines whenever some nigga tries to tell me it's the best classicvania or better than SCIV... but it's way better than trashy ass hot garbage like Dracula X.
>>2824445
All of the Rebirth games are a trip and are full of Konami inside jokes and references that made me smile.
>>2824448
It's much better than IV, nigger, IV is wholly unremarkable.
>>2824446
My biggest gripe with the genesis game was that it's only 7 stages (most of them being autoscrollers), the graphics/art were iffy at best, and that one blue orb item absolutely wrecks everything in that game. Definitely the weakest 16-bit CV. The music also sounds like shit on the Gens sound chip, CV style of music isn't fit for fm synth imo.
>>2824457
What do you mean by 'genesis'?
>>2824459
It's a code-word for dunking my balls in your mom's ass.
>not liking the classivanias AND the SoTN style games
>>2824462
Righto.
>>2824469
This. Shame it always has to be one or the other on the Internet.
Can someone explain why Dracula X is bad other than "it's not as good as Rondo"?
>>2824504
AVGN
>>2824507
I've never seen an episode of AVGN (I'm a grown man) but I didn't really care for X. I felt it was very stiff.
>>2824295
> egoraptor
I don't keep up with what's trending, but who?
LOL, it's been a while since we've had a Castlevania shitposting thread here on /vr/, hasn't it?
Between all the e-celeb and CRT vs LCD shitposting this past weeks, I'm almost nostalgic for Castlevania shitposting.
Nah, not really.
Let me guess, without even reading any of the replies I can bet we already got people claiming IV is bad because it's easy (while at the same time claiming Rondo is the best, depsite being even easier than IV), people bitching about the multi directional whip and how it makes sub-weapons useless and all that junk that's always there in Castlevania threads.
Did I win?
The only way /vr/ can get good Castlevania threads is when we do CV threads about the music, whenever OP starts asking which one is the best (or claiming "this is the best") it's gonna be shitposting, no exception.
But again, I'm almost nostalgic about 'vania shitposting due to all the e-celeb and LCD shitposting this past weeks.
It's weird we've went almost a month without one of these threads, huh?
>>2824298
>>2824295
>But watch egoraptors sequelis
Nah I'm good I don't need to watch some goober spout off his opinion on a game as fact.
SCV4 isn't bad, but Rondo is by far the best classic Castlevania.
>>2824574
You don't have to strawman people criticising IV. I get it, you're nostalgic for the game, but it just isn't very good. Take off the rose tinted glasses.
No, Gekka no Yasoukyoku is the best! And my opinion is law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGwptv_2Yw
>>2824584
Wait, where did I strawman anyone?
Also, IV is not my favorite in the series, it's Castlevania III. I also didn't play IV until I was a teenager, when I was a kid I played the original NES trilogy and Dracula X (Vampire Kiss)... for some reason I skipped IV despite being one of the most popular ones. So yeah, no nostalgia for me, I don't know why you cam with that conclusion, I guess you didn't "get it". I was talking about how shitposting on /vr/ works, not about my personal appreciation for the series.
To be honest I don't think there is a bad classic Castlevania game. Except maybe for Haunted Castle (good music though).
But that's just my opinion, and to be honest, discussing opinions is boring. I'd rather discuss other things about Castlevania. We could be sharing interviews, art, talk about curiosities, etc... but no, it's always the same polarized opinions about which one is "best" yadda yadda.. BOOOOOORIIIIIING.
Rondo>Bloodlines>>>>Super IV>>>Dracula X
Hey guys I'm new to the Castlevania series and I guess you're knowledgeable about it...
Anyone know who is the Castlevania creator?
We know Mario has Miyamoto, Metal Gear has Kojima, Sonic has Yuji Naka... who is Simon Belmont's daddy?
>>2824584
>it just isn't very good.
You forgot to add "IMHO" at the end, nerd.
I'll just leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HqY6MaeUmw
>>2824606
From an objective, technical standpoint it is poor. From an objective, musical perspective it is poor. I don't care if you think it's 'fun'.
>>2824615
>technical
>musical
>objective
So you are not only a technician and a musician, but also you seem to be a philosopher!
Who would have thought we had such intelligent folk discussing about old games.
>>2824615
Wait, from a technical standpoint, IV is pretty great. Mitsuru Yaida is a hell of a programmer and he's responsible for the controls in the game. I agree the level design is not as punishing as the NES games and maybe that's where some of the game's "flaw" lies, but technically? The game is well made, nigga. I don't think you're gonna find a lot of people who will agree with that big contrarian opinion.
Musically it is poor? It has some very great composition that mix baroque-inspired melodies with jazz rhythms and conventions. It's quite a good soundtrack, then again, all of the Castlevania games have good soundtracks.
You're being a bit too harsh on poor ol IV, man. I get it, you like to be a contrarian, but give it a rest for a bit, you're over doing it.
>>2824594
Nobody knows.
Castlevania fans aren't really all that knowledgeable as you think.
They're good at discussing opinions and defining which is "best" and "worst" in the series (according to their subjective opinions, of course), but actual knowledge about the series' history and legacy? They don't know much.
>>2824594
Hitoshi Akamatsu. He directed the Castlevania trilogy on the NES.
>>2824615
/vr/ in a nutshell
BTW games aren't fun guise.
>>2824615
>video games aren't supposed to be fun
>>2824615
0/10
At least put some effort into it.
It used to be my favorite, and it--along with Rondo--got me into the series. But I prefer the original, III, and X68k over it.
I don't think IV goes as far with its own design as it could have. It doesn't thoroughly capitalize on its interesting features, and I think it's ultimately a bit underwhelming for that reason. Great game though.
>>2824319
>unitonically liking edgy Super Mario ri-offs with whips
http://strawpoll.me/5579883
>>2824384
This
>>2824281
most of its music is boring, but Treasury Room and Room of Close Associates are my jam
>>2825042
>not Clockwork Mansion
>not Submerged City
honestly, I love the whole IV's OST, never felt it boring.
I tend to fall asleep with some of SOTN's tracks though (but not in a bad way, they're so soothing)
>>2824281
While I think this is the best Castlevania, please keep this kind of terrible threads on /v/, OP.
Any Castlevania game in which you can't jump while walking the stairs is an objectively bad game, sorry.
>>2825042
>Treasury Room
You have refined tastes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwOOTV00DP0
Room of Close Associates is nice too.
>>2824364
No, it's still a good game.
Most people haven't even played the game though, they just parrot the same "it's a bad port of Rondo" bullshit. It's a completely different game, and it's more similar to the NES games than any of the other 16-bit games.
Also, while I love Rondo of Blood, I think the SNES version of the first stage is better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPinyngvL2M
Sure, it doesn't sound as clean as CD audio, but the arrangements on this version make it for me.
The PCE version is of course still great, and has more oomph, but it's not as pumping and exciting IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NUvBC9cmio
>>2825061
Only two I really like from SotN is Wandering Ghosts and Crystal Teardrops. Everything else is just OK, at least as far as Castlevania goes.
>>2825090
It really isn't a good game.
>>2824610
Man that guy looks like a queer. Why did Konami let some random asshole who'd only ever made a visual novel before SotN take over the series?
>>2824298
>followed by Dracula's Curse, then Bloodlines and Chronicles. IV probably places sixth after Dracula X
FTFY
>>2825106
It really is.
The fact it's not a 1:1 port Rondo of Blood and instead it's more like Castlevania 1 in RoB's setting doesn't make it a bad game.
>>2825090
Dracula X also had some fantastic backgrounds. Rondo's backgrounds are pretty lackluster by comparison.
>>2825106
What about it makes it bad? Explain yourself.
Controls are tight, presentation is good, it's not bug ridden and level design is solid.
Why is it bad other than "It's not Rondo"?
Why the fuck do all of you IGAVANIA keks get so goddamn defensive? SOTN hardly brought anything new to the table from Super Metroid. Don't even point to levels either, levels are sort of shit for a game designed like this because it removes any skill. You'll at times be under leveled or over leveled for areas. Igarashi shit out the same fucking game for years and tweaked one or two things per title which was enough to get all you autists fired up for "WOW A NEW GAMEPLAY FEATURE, I <3 METROIDVANIAS!
He couldn't even make the same fucking game as well. HoD was shit, AoS was pretty decent, DoS basically reused all of AoS and added touch screen bullshit, POR was pretty good but short as fuck. OOE is just a fucking mess.
>>2825131
Agreed. I love Rondo, but the backgrounds can be a bit underwhelming.
Dracula X is better than 1, 2, Rondo, and Bloodlines.
There, I said it.
What about this?
>>2825137
Nobody is even arguing about SOTN ITT.
OP wanted to bait contrarians into shit talking IV because that's the easiest (and dare I say, most vulgar) way to start a CV thread going here on /vr/. Shitting on SOTN is so passé by now.
Can't wait until hipsters start hating on Rondo desu.
>>2825137
Not to mention, how fucking big is Igarashi's ego? Castlevania Chronicles features an interview with him? Why? He had fuck all to do with the X68000 version of Castlevania. He tweaked a bit of shit from that port, smacked his name on it as producer and jerked himself off with an interview special feature.
>>2825142
I'll never understand the hate.
I personally enjoyed it and replay it multiple times.
If I want to play Rondo, I still have the original version included.
>>2825137
Why are all classicvania fans so angry all of the time?
Not only do they feel the need to shit on Igavanias every time they hear about them but they also have to argue which Classicvania is better like their life depends upon it.
>>2825137
I unironically enjoyed HoD. More than any of the DS games, too.
>>2825145
>Can't wait until hipsters start hating on Rondo desu.
Never gonna happen. It's too niche because it was a PC Engine exclusive for so long and that's why hipsters latch onto it so hard, along with having a "progressive" social justice sidekick called Maria who puts down the Dracula patriarchy once and for all! Check your privileges, Belmont!
>>2825149
HOD's main problem is that it's just a fucking mess to navigate the castle. I'm still not even sure about the layers or what the fuck ever and I finished it.
>>2825142
Good remake although the controls aren't as tight as the original, they're still very faithful. Some people complain about the 2.5D graphics but I think they're alright, especially for a 2007 PSP game. It has very pretty background details, too.
Probably the best thing about it is that it includes the original Rondo and an enhanced version of SOTN, but the remake is still worth playing. It added some new level design (now 5' is no longer a level made out of previous level's assets and it's more like an original level), Dracula has a 3rd form that actually challenges you, and probably one of the best additions was a Boss Rush mode with various options and the possibility of ad-hoc co-op (which sadly I could never try). Also custom soundtrack (you can unlock tracks and customize the remake's soundtrack with the arranged tracks, the original tracks, and even SOTN tracks).
All in all, pretty good.
>>2825149
HoD's only flaw is that it's oversaturated. Iga hated how CotM was dark as hell on OG GBA so he made HoD have pastel colors.
>>2825153
I always wanted to try the local multiplayer.
I can't even find footage for it.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NUwdG09.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
Does /vr/ like this game yet? I feel like people have been slowly warming up to it in recent months.
>>2825149
I hated Dissonance. The castle's structures were even more boring and less platformy than SotN (hard to imagine, I know) and the sound quality was HORRIBLE even for GBA standards. Also, it turned all the bosses into a joke. Just look at the second Legion fight and how painfully uninteresting it is- he barely does anything.
Why do people like Metroidvanias? They took a shit on the classic, amazing CV platforming formula. I think the best one was Ecclesia because it tried to fuse old with new. If both had co-existed instead of SotN killed the classic-style games, I feel classic fans would probably be less mad in these threads.
>>2825156
In his defense it was kind of hard to see CotM on the original GBA screen in anything aside from optimal lighting conditions. I don't remember when HoD came out but f it was anywhere near or after the release of the GBA SP then it was totally unnecessary.
>>2825165
The 64 Castlevanias are great games, /vr/ is probably warming up to them because people are slowly starting to actually play them instead of just parroting that they're shit.
>>2825169
Classicvanias are like generic platform games.
Metroidvanias are Metroid rip-offs but there's like what, 4 or 5 Metroid games? And besides Castlevania and Metroid there's what, La-Mulana and that's it? There aren't many open-world exploration platformers when you look at it, which is a shame because it's a fun and interesting concept.
>>2825165
>acknowledging any 3D 'vania
no
>>2825165
I always liked CV64, I still never played Legacy though.
>>2824281
Shut up, faggot.
>>2825204
Only pain about LoD is having to unlock Reinhardt, Carrie and Henry. Aside from that it's mostly a few design and mechanic improvements with two new characters. They added a few levels too, like the Outer Wall and whatever that catacombs level was called with the breakaway floors and the maps you need to study. The Art Gallery uses Sinking Old Sanctuary so that was pretty cool.
On the other hand, some spoken dialogue was removed and Reinhardt and Carrie's second costumes got replaced with their original since they got their outfits reworked in this game.
That said, I liked Reinhardt and Carrie's in-game portraits better in the original.
>>2825145
If you like IV you're just a dumb kid who watches too much AVGN. IV sucks, I've been saying this for over 20 years.
>>2825270
Give it a rest, contrarian hipster.
>>2825270
>if you like thing, you're so and so
I don't believe you were alive for more than 20 years unless severe mental illness with maturity issues.
>>2825270
>If you dislike IV you're just a dumb kid who watches too much Arin Hanson. IV rocks, I've been saying this for over 20 years.
What's the opposite of appeal to authority? Because IV haters really love doing it.
>>2825151
>Never gonna happen. It's too niche because it was a PC Engine exclusive for so long
Give it some more time.
Rondo of Blood is not niche anymore, it's on the Wii Virtual Console, on PSP and you can even emulate it on Retroarch.
Just give it some time and people will start saying how Rondo sucks because, I dunno... it's not as hard as Castlevania III or X68K, it has Maria which ruins the tone of the game and trivializes the gameplay, etc
There's always ways hipsters can shit on well-liked games, common sense be damned.
All we need now is for some popular e-celeb to make a controversial video about it (doesn't matter if he calls it the ABSOLUTE BEST or ABSOLUTE WORST, both scenarios work), and hipsters will be all over shitting on Rondo.
I predict Rondo will be the hated popular CV game after SOTN and IV.
>>2825270
>I've been saying
>I
Who the hell cares about your opinion other than your mom?
>>2825309
>explaining why you're a lonely kek
>>2825321
come on man, he didn't even deserve a reply.
>>2825324
>that arm
JESUS CHRIST
Why is it so hard to have a good Castlevania thread?
>>2825334
Because Castlevania is shit.
Real men play Ghosts 'N Goblins.
>>2825351
>real men
>playing videogames
kek
>>2825351
Ghouls N Ghosts is the best game in the series.
>>2825402
Too easy. Original arcade is the best.
>>2825306
>dissing the "I" pronoun.
I think that guy was being insufferable too, but really man? You're really reaching here.
>>2825406
Why would someone want to play non-arcade versions of the games? Unless you want to play that piece of shit Super GNG.
How about instead of bitching which Castlevania game is our favorite we bitch about what boss is our favorite or/and gave us the most trouble.
Pic related didn't give me much trouble but fuck son, just look at him. Nigga is a cthulhu entity surrounded by a harem of naked bodies, holy shit. If this isn't a top-tier boss then I don't know what is.The giant boss from Lament of Innocence that you have to beat by removing his organs one by one probably comes close.
>>2825416
Galamoth (without elemental weaknesses) should've been the TLB of SotN.
>>2825408
Demon's Crest is the best in the series anyways.
>>2825416
>LoI secret boss
I thought that was honestly the best part, although everyone seems to hate that game now.
>>2825446
>slowdown crest
No. Even the Maximo games are better than the gargoyles.
STEP ASIDE, SCRUBS
>>2825416
My favorite has to be the dancing ghosts from stage 6 on SCV IV.
First of all, I like the concept of having to fight a dancing ghost couple, it's bizarre, but extremely fitting for Castlevania.
I also like that you need to use the small platforms around them to jump back and forth while they dance, it feels like you're actually dancing with them, so to speak.
I don't really have any trouble with them anymore, I can get through them without getting hit once, but I used to die to them a lot because I was too impatient and attacked them instead of avoiding them and attack only when they're open when they do the sword attack (or if I manage to be quick enough to turn back mid-air and hit them with the whip for chip damage, but most of the damage I do when they do the sword or lance attack, allowing me to attack them from below with a sub-weapon like the axe).
Some other favorites include werewolf on X68000 and yeah, Granfalloon is also amazing.
>>2825452
way to have unpopular, contrarian opinions.
okay, okay, you win the golden hipster award ITT, nobody will ever beat you no matter they hate on SOTN or IV.
>>2825452
If it were on the Genesis, we wouldn't have that issue
Come to think of it, are there any games on the fucking Genesis actually by Capcom? Most of their stuff was ported by some other shit company or SEGA themselves.
>>2825137
I agree with the general sentiment. They're all mostly alright, but I don't think any of them match Symphony of the Night at what it did best, and most of that game is pretty sloppy to begin with.
I don't dislike Igarashi's tenure for Symphony of the Night, I dislike it for its obsessive dedication to Symphony's clumsy (though endearing) model.
>>2825185
The Classicvanias are pretty unique in terms of pacing and design even if their general format was common for the time. They're not generic at all.
>>2825169
While I love the Classicvanias, I don't think we needed any more of them (however much people might be ready for more now, we'd seen plenty of Classicvanias back then). The classic games wouldn't have survived (case in point: the mixed reception of Chronicles despite it being one of the better Classicvania games) and IIRC Symphony of the Night had peripheral focus compared to the 3D effort.
>>2825309
I hope this is a joke.
cave story shits all over any metroids and igavania
>>2825461
I think the Street Fighter 2 Turbo port was the only one done actually by Capcom themselves.
>>2825461
That's because the Mega Drive CPU ran at over 7mhz, while the Snes CPU could only run at around 3.
>>2825503
Yeah, it's called Blast Processing.
>>2825503
That's why I said it wouldn't have an issue on the Genesis
>>2825506
No, blast processing is something completely different. CPU clock speed isn't blast processing. Blast processing was just a trick for loading things faster.
>>2825507
Yes, the superior CPU clock speed would mean it would have no trouble on the Mega Drive.
>>2825513
Precisely. It would have absolutely no trouble at all on the GENESIS.
>>2825515
No trouble whatsoever on the Mega Drive. Especially not my Mega Drive, which is modded with a 10mhz overclock.
>ruined the series with SotN
Except SotN is the best in the series by far, followed by OoE.
Fucking deal with it.
>>2825647
>when i play castlevania i really want to play metroid
Yeah nah. You're retarded.
But so is OP. Rondo of Blood is the best in the series.
>>2825647
>le casual metroidvania gaymer
>>2825647
>>2825658
>>2825663
>Not liking both
Classic and Metroidvania are both fun in their own way.deal with it nerds
>>2825658
>Rondo
>best
III says you're retarded.
>>2824281
All have their points
Super Castlevania IV
Ambient
Cinematic Feeling
Whip control
Rondo of Blood / Dracula X:
Graphics
Gameplay
Castlevania III:
Ost
Gameplay
Path branching
Different Characters
Bloodlines:
Ost
Bosses
After SotN they feel less and less Castlevania. They have amazing visuals, amazing music, but they feel boring and repetitve to me
>>2825747
OST is consistently great in all of them, even the Game Boy titles.
>>2825754
True. I just choose CVIII's (and to be more specific I should say Akumajou Densetsu's ost) because of how amazing it sounded given the limitations of the system, and I always loved the mix between modern sound and orchestral sound it has.
>>2825747
>Rondo gameplay
what's so special about it, they got rid of the cool roman numeral tokens and whip upgrades
fuck that game
>>2825658
I hate Metroid, though.
>>2825797
Item Crush attacks were kinda cool I guess.
>>2825061
Yeah the whole thing is great. That guy is dumb.
>>2824281
Can we all agree that this is /v/ tier bait?
Everyone has different opinions.
Stop trying to force an arguement.
>>2825837
Castlevania threads on this board in general happen to be /v/-tier.
>>2825647
>OoE
>good
Back to /v/.
>>2825861
>spouts /v/ memes
>redirects others to /v/
Oh u!
>>2824374
wew lad
>>2825861
While it's a stretch to say any Metroidvania is good, OoE is probably the least shit out of all of them.
>>2825185
>There aren't many open-world exploration platformers when you look at it
The fuck? Just on retro systems you have Ufouria, Faxanadu, Blaster Master, Wonder Boy 3, Demon's Crest, Simon's Quest, Tombi and Shantae.
>>2825797
Fells more fluid and fast to me, and Item crushes are pretty cool
Totally forgot it doesn't have the roman numeral tokens and whip upgrades. Guess it's tied up with CVIII then.
>>2825996
saw this on /v/ :D
this metroidvania hate meme is getting waaaaaaay out of hand (desu)
>>2826018
they deserve all the hate they get though, for not only being bad games but also killing Classicvania
>>2825797
>no roman numeral tokens and whip upgrades
Doesn't matter, has Maria.
>>2826762
I hope you're being sarcastic, because that OP little cunt has no place in a game about slaying monsters.
>>2826773
I had much morefunplaying Maria than, Richter anon. I don't care that she is OP as fuck.
If I'm going to be forced to play Belmont at least let it be CVIII or original.
also
>getting triggered by the inclusing of the cute girl in your "badass vampire game"
you just got trolled by 90s Konami.
>>2826783
You only like her because you're a pedophile and you suck at games so you need the easy mode character.
>>2826757
Classicvania was already dead when Metroidvanias came abound, Iga had nothing to do with the fact that the public were sick of generic linear 2D platformers
>>2824281
>Castlevania
Fuck that game.
>Mission: Destroy candles to get items
>Make ~5 games about candles and items
>People love killing candles
>candles
nigga what
>>2827019
They weren't generic, though.
But you're right that it isn't fair to say Igarashi "killed" the older style.
>>2827038
they weren't but at the same the the public were sick of them
hence Metroidvanias and 3D Castlevanias
>>2827043
*at the same time
>>2827019
>Castlevania
>generic
NOW
YOU
FUCKED
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP
>>2827019
This statement just proves that SotN tards aren't true Castlevania fans and just want a shitty 2D hack 'n slash RPG. Fuck you and fuck IGA.
>>2827075
Better than edgy Super Mario with whips desu™.
>>2827115
>Better than edgy Super Mario with whips desu™.
>comparing the pixel-perfect platforming of CV to Mario's kid-friendly design
>thinks Castlevania is edgy when most games didn't even have blood
>implying the fact that you attack with whips isn't great
here's where you belong, pham
>>>/trash/
>>2827453
super mature gaymur detected
>>2827453
um... dude, both Mario and Castlevania are pixel-perfect platformers.
Mario is more oriented toward platforming, while CV is more oriented toward action.
Anyway you're a bit dumb for falling for that 1/10 bait.
>>2827630
Fuck me you are a retarded poofter. How do you even get off comparing Mario to Castlevania? Platforming in mario is lenient as fuck all. Go play a real platformer like CV3 or GnG or Revenge of Shinobi to see what pixel perfect platforming is like before you start spewing off stupid shit next time.
>>2827715
What do you mean with "pixel perfect", though?
Also, do you think Mario is not a "real platformer"? Is it a fake one? another genre?
Also, those games you mentioned, while include platforming design and controls, are more oriented toward action (especially Shinobi).
Mario has some action designs (fire flower powerup), but most of its designs and physics are oriented toward platforming.
Learn how game design works before you try to sound like a hardkerk gamur.
>>2824281
I prefer Rondo of Blood, to be honest.
>Love SNES Dracula X because was my first Castlevania
>People hate it
I remember seeing the city on flames and having to run away from that beast thing. It was awesome and terrifying at the same time back then.
>>2827743
You're not alone, Drac X was also my first 'vania and honestly? I'm grateful for it.
It's a legit good classicvania, harder than Rondo (medusa heads kick your ass right from the very first level, compared to Rond's first level which is a cake walk).
Most of the hate for it dates back to the old meme that "Dracula X is a bad port of Rondo of Blood".
I kept believing this for years, until I finally played Rondo of Blood.
It was a big surprise when I found out the supposed "bad port of Rondo" never existed, as Rondo of Blood is one game, and Dracula X is another game. Besides the whole level design being different, the very first boss on Drac X (Kerberos) is nowhere to be found on Rondo of Blood, same as the dragon from Rondo, it's not on Drac X.
So, port? I don't think so.
It's not my favorite in the series, and actually maybe I do like Rondo better.
But then again, I like IV a lot too, which a lot of people find "too easy". Rondo is also on the easier-side, as is Bloodlines.
I think Dracula X stands besides the harder classicvanias, CV III and X68K, which I also love, but I find myself enjoying IV, Rondo or Bloodlines more, which are admittedly more forgiving but still tight as fuck.
>>2827753
I think it's funny too.
From what I remember not even the stages are the same, so it's kinda of a stretch to call it a port.
Rondo is most probably a better game than Dracula X, but I still love X for what it is.
>>2824281
People who say they like Castlevania 4 just want other people to think they're cool, just admit that Bloodlines is better.
>>2827743
>I remember seeing the city on flames
That flames still look impresive
>>2827783
Bloodlines and IV are different and I can like both.
Also I don't think anyone will think you're "cool" for liking Castlevania or any other video game series. Most people will see you as a nerd.
>>2824360
>I still consider it a feat of mental gymnastics to consider the multi directional whip a 'complaint' somehow. I get his point, I just think it's a stupid point to base a negative opinion off of.
Yeah. I mean, I LOVE the multi-directional whipping, and the otherwise very free controls, very pleasant feel, but I can see what he says about how it makes the game easier, it's a 16-bit game with a lot of advancements, but the enemies are still pretty much acting like their 8-bit parts, so it's not as hard anymore.
Still, not a reason to shit on the game.
>>2824298
>Meh, it's pretty easy,
I'll agree on that, but I also like that about it, it's an easy going game I can just pick up on the spot and play casually, I don't have to invest so much into it.
>the music is boring,
No way.
>the slowdown is horrendous,
Didn't think much of it.
>the graphics are poor
They're ok, but at the same time the game showcased a lot of the capabilities with the SNES, it was an early entry in the library.
>the bosses are easy,
Mostly.
>the platforming is awkward
Yeah.
>there are no multiple characters
I don't mind that.
>there are no branching paths,
There's a little, there's the treasury and all.
>IV probably places sixth after Vampire's Kiss.
Really? I loved the sound, music and graphics of Dracula X, but the gameplay was just not fun for me, it felt like a step back, as if the controls went back to 8-bit but the enemies advanced to 16-bit.
It's a really frustrating game for me.
>>2824281
>IGA ruined the series
Also I disagree with this.
>>2827796
>it's an easy going game I can just pick up on the spot and play casually, I don't have to invest so much into it.
Rondo is even easier and has a save feature (not to mention Maria, and the fact the branching paths makes it an overall shorter game for a single playthrough).
IV starts off pretty easy, but it gets decently hard on the last couple levels.
The only slowdown I remember in IV was on the spinning room (before the one with the medusa heads), but it's a pretty short segment so saying the game has "horrendous slowdown" is cherrypicking too hard and being exaggerated.
>There's a little, there's the treasury and all.
There is no branching paths on IV. But it still has a lot of levels. They could have made branching paths (for example stage 1 could have 2 exits, one would take you to forest of monsters, another would take you to underground cave, and so on, and it'd have about the same amount of levels as Rondo, or more)
>>2827818
>Rondo is even easier and has a save feature
I think Super is just easy enough while then ramping upwards throughout the game.
Also, my emulator has saving. Not that I don't usually pour through SCV4 in one sitting typically.
And I guess it doesn't have branching paths, but it did have a hidden level, the Treasury, which I remember for it's soundtrack.
>>2825169
>Why do people like Metroidvanias?
Personally, because there really aren't a whole lot of side-scrolling action platformers with RPG elements. I don't get why that isn't explored more because I think it's a great way of making a game.
>They took a shit on the classic, amazing CV platforming formula
I didn't really have those games on consoles when I was a little kid, but I played them on emulator as I got older, and they're not all so amazing. In my own opinion anyway.
>I think the best one was Ecclesia because it tried to fuse old with new.
I thought it was actually pretty good, yeah. It felt as if they went back to a lot of the CV2 ideas but did them much better.
>If both had co-existed instead of SotN killed the classic-style games, I feel classic fans would probably be less mad in these threads.
I don't think that would have ever happened. The kind of genre Castlevania was just didn't continue with the 5th gen, moving into Metroid/RPG territory was the only way that shit was gonna continue at all.
If SoTN hadn't been made, there probably wouldn't ever had been another sidescrolling Castlevania.
I do think it's a shame that 2D sidescrollers don't happen outside of indie games anymore.
200 posts of pure shit
yep, it sounds like your regular CV thread
>>2824376
Pleb detetcted.
>>2824418
the controls to RoB are nearly identical to the NES games. Are you seriously this autistic over a game?
>>2828441
Controls in a 16-bit game shouldn't play like an 8-bit game. That in itself is a flaw.
If you don't find IV's game feel more fun than Bloodlines and Rondo, you are mad.
>>2828989
8-bit refers to graphics, not controls.
>>2828989
I don't think it's a flaw. I don't find IV's controls more fun. Sometimes less is more.
>>2829001
In this context:
8-bit = 3rd generation (NES, SMS}
16-bit = 4th generation {SNES, GEN, TG16, NeoGeo)
If you weren't underage, you'd know this already.
>>2828989
Simplicity is fine in a 16 bit game, desu.
I like Bloodlines best, but I never get into these threads because there's hardly any discussion and more bashing.
>"Hey look, a Castlevania thread on /vr/. It can't be as shit as they're reputed to be, right?"
>thread turns to shit less than 20 posts in
>>2829010
Yeah, because having backflip and item crash is "less". You trying to defend Rondo when IV is clearly superior is pathetic.
>tfw another CV thread has devolved into bitching and infighting over which game is the best
>nobody seems to just enjoy the series as a whole and instead everyone seems to be of the opinion that one game in the series is an infallible masterpiece and all the other games are steaming piles of shit
I don't see why people get so buttblasted about castlevania. There really aren't any truly bad games in the series except judgement on the wii
>>2829171
If the Rondork weebs didn't shit up the threads with bad opinions so much, there wouldn't be this problem. Not to mention the Igafags.
>>2829129
We were talking about movement options, which item crashes don't factor into. And yes, even with the backflip, Rondo is much more limited in that sense than IV is. But even ignoring Rondo (it's not my favorite anyway), I find the original and III both more compelling than IV partly because of the more limited controls.
Get over yourself you gigantic fetus.
>>2827034
underrated post
You guys just like it because you get nostialgia. The game itself is shit. The controls are shit, at every port, and the story is like "uhhh". Meh/10
>>2829184
I guess you're just stupid then, having less fluid and smooth and responsive controls isn't supposed to be more "fun". Are you telling me swinging from a hook with the whip for the first time wasn't cool as fuck? But hey if getting stuck on stairs is your thing then more power to you mate.
>>2829183
>If people didn't like different things from what I like then we wouldn't have a problem
>>2829215
Games are necessarily about restrictions. It's a fundamental part of game design. And yes, I think the more stiff and restricted controls work well with the design of the rest of the game. It makes your every movement require careful deliberation with every scenario that the game presents.
And the older Castlevania games have very responsive controls. They're just limited. There's a key difference.
Yeah buddy, swinging on a whip is super rad or whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-VKLtZviGc
WHAT IS A MAN BUT A PIECE OF SHIT?
>>2829329
dracula did literally nothing wrong
Crossing my fingers Konami sells off their classic game IPs and Nintendo buys them all up
Just think about the new castlevania we'd get
>>2829850
>just think of all the Smash Bros cameos we'd get
![130103-castlevania3-02[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/Y1WaUUt.gif "130103-castlevania3-02[1].gif")
>>2824281
Tbqh, family, I think it's the worst of the Nintendo classicvanias, except for Simon's Curse maybe.
1, 3, and RoB are far superior.
>>2830149
R.O.B is great, but it's not Castlevania
>>2824281
All the 16-bit Castlevanias have such different feels it;s hard to choose one as better then the others. 4 keeps the universal feel and I can't fault anyone for preferring it's more smooth controls. Bloodlines almost feels like the Hammer Horror take on the series with lots of bright blood and gore and has more of the straight forward challenge for the NES entries. And of course Rondo of Blood expands on 3's alternate routes and has a very 90's action anime feel. All great stuff.
>>2825797
>they got rid of the cool roman numeral tokens
How many sub-weapons you can chain depends on how many hearts you have. Getting rid of the numeral tokens didn't really change all that much, and there's no longer any frustration from picking up a weapon you don't want, since you can retrieve your previous weapon if you feel like it. It's overall a superior system.
>whip upgrades
Whip upgrades were pointless anyway. You get the fully upgraded whip mere seconds after you lose it, so it barely adds anything to the gameplay. Nothing of value was lost by implementing RoB's system.
>>2830154
How is it not Castlevania?
If you're talking about the over-the-top, campy anime tone, then I can see what you're saying, but the gameplay is pretty much quintessential Castlevania, borrowing and refining tons of elements from 1 and 3.
Strictly in terms of gameplay, as Richter of course, it's much closer to the gameplay of 1 and 3 than 4 is.
>>2830162
You're responding to a joke post, autist.
I know this is off-topic, but what did you guys think of Lords of Shadows?I thought, aside to the shitty SotC-lite bosses, it was a 6/10 game.
>>2830170
shitty God of War knock-off
>>2830170
The moment I saw I was playing a generic fantasy action game beating up dwarves instead of skeletons I realized it wasn't a Castlevania game and I stopped caring.
>>2827753
Dracula X gets the same type of hate that Hyperstone Heist gets.
Neither game is a port off the version people believe they are based on. They recycle content, but they're their entirely own separate thing.
It's a shame, because both of them, while not groundbreaking, are solid entries in their respective series and they get unfairly shat on for some dumb ass reason that isn't even valid.
