Let's get us a beta thread going.
Post that beta info and screenshots.
Seriously thought, beta info is always so intriguingand also disappointing ;_;
things you can't have always seem better, somehow
When it was stilled called Zelda 64, Link was able to slash to the side while running, but would hold his ground upon hitting an enemy (still turning to follow the movement of enemy), where he would enter a dynamic attack pattern. This is a combination of The Wind Waker's dynamic swings (when Link does a twirl jump or double-hands his sword, a move pulled from the OoT beta with the bigger sword scene against Stalfos) and Twilight Princess' ability to swing while running.
I always thought this was the coolest thing, and that we missed out. But thinking about it deeply, it'a not a big deal and it doesn't really fit the game's more almost turn-based combat against enemies that use weapons.
NOW, the original Temple of Time exterior angle shot, and the ultrarealistic render of Death Mountain where you can see the shadow left by the ring plume. THAT I want back in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq5OoSlpu-w
>>2814460
Is this newly surfaced footage? I thought I know all about many, many beta elements of the game, but I don't recall seeing that alternate angle of the Temple of Time.
At one point in time, Hyrule Castle Town was a 3D render as opposed to a static image. Is there footage of this, or only screenshots?
![784px-S1concept3[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OHRnbiL.jpg "784px-S1concept3[2].jpg")
bump with sonic the hedgehog concept art
![457px-S1concept-Needlemouse[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GDmThVI.jpg "457px-S1concept-Needlemouse[1].jpg")
>>2814552
![784px-S1concept5[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QfCj12r.jpg "784px-S1concept5[1].jpg")
>>2814553
![784px-S1concept7[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UKW4jEx.jpg "784px-S1concept7[1].jpg")
>>2814556
>>2814552
That spindash over water thing could have been a good mechanic, a shame they didn't implement it (I guess running over water on Hydrocity is similar, but not quite the same, I imagine you would be able to bump over water quickly by timing your jumps properly, could have been fun)
>>2814490
same, never saw that before. Also ALTTP/LA shield and sword on the game logo
>>2814565
they did implement it in Sonic 2 GG/SMS
![800px-S2metropolisconcepts2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MrR3VrJ.jpg "800px-S2metropolisconcepts2[1].jpg")
>>2814559
![latest[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/jobnwxZ.gif "latest[1].gif")
>>2814571
unused sprite of sonic when he's running out of air while underwater
![436px-GregMartinSonicSketch-PromotionalCover[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SDdvMpK.jpg "436px-GregMartinSonicSketch-PromotionalCover[1].jpg")
original pencil sketch of what would become the box art for Sonic 1
![Sonic1-rabbit[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/ilmE4eO.png "Sonic1-rabbit[1].png")
>>2814606
this sketch of a rabbit was one of the possible final designs for sonic, before they decided on a hedgehog
>>2814610
dodged a bullet, little fella
![S1concept-eggman[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BXwh9U5.jpg "S1concept-eggman[1].jpg")
>>2814610
Drawing of a mad scientist type of character who could have been the star of the developing Sonic The Hedgehog
He would possibly get through levels using various gadgets
They later reused this design as the villain of Sonic The Hedgehog
also
>>2814610
fun fact: the original plan was that if this rabbit was used, he would use his ears to grab onto things and throw them, this mechanic later became the main mechanic of Ristar
![Sonic_Gems_300[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6WLno3v.jpg "Sonic_Gems_300[1].jpg")
>>2814617
More early concept art, including Sonic's human girlfriend Madonna
![800px-SonicGems299[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SCB7DlJ.jpg "800px-SonicGems299[1].jpg")
>>2814620
More art of Madonna
HAHA bestiality!
![S1concept-Loops[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aoWVaCN.jpg "S1concept-Loops[1].jpg")
>>2814625
concept art for the loops
![784px-S1concept4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/prlQNgF.jpg "784px-S1concept4[1].jpg")
>>2814628
Sometimes we forget how much work goes into these games.
Every mechanic, every detail is drawn out and planned on paper beforehand
![SYZ-Sparkling7[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CUIHdjE.jpg "SYZ-Sparkling7[1].jpg")
>>2814632
Sparkling Zone, before it became Spring Yard Zone
![WhoKnows[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Meb2M6v.jpg "WhoKnows[2].jpg")
>>2814501
Early screenshot of the forest
Looks less lush, with scattered trees
![zelda114[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IFHP9Pe.jpg "zelda114[2].jpg")
>>2814647
aaaactually that's the early temple of time, before they figured out a trick to make the ceiling much higher. Looked very cramped originally.
Here's the forest screenshot
>>2814647
looks more like a temple m8
![95rnl5[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0aWU6EK.jpg "95rnl5[1].jpg")
One of the earliest known screenshots of what would become Ocarina Of Time
They were using the Super Mario 64 engine and it shows here.
Also notice that just like
>>2814649
>>2814650
the c-button item system was not implemented yet. The c-buttons may have controlled the camera at this time, and you had one item and the sword that you could use at one time. You had to pause to switch items like A Link To The Past.
![z12[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/h8aN1Rd.jpg "z12[1].jpg")
>>2814659
Early graveyard, and an early Poe
I liked this design better, it looked more ghostly, but that's just me
>>2814659
How would OoT have been if it was as acrobatic as Mario 64?
![OoT-Silver_Knight[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/x1fNXIM.jpg "OoT-Silver_Knight[1].jpg")
>>2814659
>One of the earliest known screenshots
actually I stand corrected, it's very early but I don't know if you can count the Ultra 64 demo that Nintendo showed off before the N64 was even released, but it's just a tech demo in my opinion
Also funny to see brown-haired Link from Zelda 1 and 2
>>2814671
The game would be broken as fuck. Link would easily be able to get into the Spirit Temple, Forest Temple, and many other places by just jumping over barriers, doing wall-jumps, and other acrobatics
2 rocks stop you from going to Zora's domain, you'd be able to get in as soon as you learned Zelda's Lullaby.
You could easily get into Gerudo Valley by jumping over the gap in the bridge
![ocarina-of-time-beta-screenshots-knight[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Cr24lHG.jpg "ocarina-of-time-beta-screenshots-knight[1].jpg")
>>2814684
I also never understood why Darknuts never made it to the final version of OOT
>>2814396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDlB2P1leRM
The world will never know what exactly Duke Nukem forever was going to be before it fell into development hell and became the mess it became.
>>2814698
Didn't they though? In the spirit temple?
>>2814703
It really is a shame to see what we got after all those years waiting. It looked awesome in its beta stages.
>>2814737
That's an iron knuckle, similar enemy but very different
Iron knuckles have thicker armor, no shield, and carry heavy axes instead of swords.
Darknuts later did appear in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess
>>2814737
They were called Iron Knuckles iirc, but they were Darknuts in nature, but were more statuary guardians versus the aggressors that Darknuts are.
A Nintendo Power article about Doom 64 before it's release showed off a series of images from an Aztec-like pyramid level. The game also had a different story at this point, instead of being sent to an abandoned research station you would start the game as a marine who managed to escape a demon prison.
>>2814698
They were originally supposed to be in Hyrule Castle, IIRC
>>2814762
>>2814758
>>2814698
I find it interesting that in Japan Iron Knuckles and Dark Nuts are the same thing (known as tartknuckles), yet different in America for unknown reasons. It would make some sense if they could be distinguished.
Iron Knuckles - the soulless soldiers of stone that are activating by attacks, like Armos.
Dark Nuts - enemy warriors in suits.
But then "Darkhammer" throws fuel on the fire, because he's known as 'Hammer Knuckle' in Japan, and is both inert until awakened, and a baddie in armor.
To make matters more convoluted, he's based on a Doomknocker, a.k.a. Hell Knocker in JP. A bulky mace throwing enemy, who shares the prefix "Hell" with another enemy named "Hell Guma," who is the only enemy in Zelda II to not have artwork (this is the closest to official depiction and its from a guide) but looks just like the concept art for the creature inside of Darkhammer.
But get this, the reason I say Hell Guma has no artwork is because the alleged art doesn't match him but does fit for another enemy creatively dubbed "Gooma," as he's known in America under a made-up name. That's because he doesn't exist in Japan! In there the level 5 boss is a rematch with Helmethead. That means Gooma, the mace-wielding giant, must have been planned at the time, but was not finished or was considered too easy to fit as the boss for JP.
But if "Guma" is his actual canon name, as indicated by NoA's one commendable attempt to retain the original canon (possibly in repentance for butchering Iron Knuckles), and the 'Guma' in "Hell Guma" thus is a placeholder for an unknown intended name, then Darkhammer is a combination of all three: Hell Knocker's armor, Hell Guma's body, and GUMA's ball and chain.
But the real mystery, all of this is only possible to conjecture because Nintendo of America retained the boss. If they hadn't then this connection would be lost, and Hell 'Guma' and Knocker would be unrelatable to DarkHammer besides being enemies with maces. So if the west's Zelda II is more canon... then does that mean Zelda 1's renaming is canon?
For thoroughness' sake, here is the enemy of the hour. "Gooma," or as he should be known, "Guma."
>>2814647
it matches the exterior a bit better, and although i do like how this looks the final version is superior
>>2814703
do you guys think some of the beta versions will ever get leaked? a lot of them look way better than the final version we ended up with
>>2814865
pretty sweet, are these graphics in the final game still? at least in the data?
![super-nintendo-playstation-prototype-1041428[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2Xy32a8.jpg "super-nintendo-playstation-prototype-1041428[1].jpg")
>>2815086
>do you guys think some of the beta versions will ever get leaked?
Honestly I'm surprised it hasn't leaked yet
Stranger things have happened
It was more surprising that a leak of Starfox 2 was found because Nintendo usually keeps everything very secure until they're ready to release it.
Somebody somewhere must have a Duke Nukem forever beta stored in a forgotten hard drive
>>2815109
Seriously, how has none of it leaked yet? It was in development for so long and so many different people must have had their hands on the game over the years. Maybe it's because there's not much of a demand.
It's way more common to hear people discussing Nintendo related betas than the various DNF betas.
>>2815089
Nothing like the pyramids are in the final game, although I don't know if they're hidden in the code. I wish I could find scans of the Nintendo Power issue, there's a lot more pictures and information about it. Another interesting thing is that Doom 64 started as a project called "The Absolution," a game that as far as we know wasn't originally related to Doom. There was also a multiplayer-based sequel planned but it was cancelled very early on.
http://www.unseen64.net/tag/doom/
>>2815212
Just going by a random youtube comment for the DNF 2001 trailer, most of the scenes in it were just prerendered bullshots. So there may not be a playable game hidden anywhere. Most likely all there is to it is an engine in the alpha stage.
>>2814501
I think I've seen a video once of somebody walking around that town using gameshark cheats or something on one of the versions of OoT, so it's possible it's still left in there but unused or something.
That or the person had reconstructed it and inserted it into a ROM.
>>2815294
You're most likely thinking of the beta restoration hack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH9PfHvCLNI
So it's fan created, the actual assets are long gone.
>>2815109
>Somebody somewhere must have a Duke Nukem forever beta stored in a forgotten hard drive
Oh, you couldn't be more wrong.
![[Angry Beeping].gif](https://i.imgur.com/HH9GpQJ.gif "[Angry Beeping].gif")
>>2815448
Plus the project is also dead.
Zeth the leader of the project did little to nothing to moderate the team, not to mention apparently he hogged all the donation money to himself.
basically he acted like a greedy scumbag and eventually the team just got into a fight and disbanded.
so yeah unfortunately it's dead jim... the project looked pretty neat but, it's gone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhjNPQaM_UU
Seriously look at this fucking temple and tell me it didn't look bitching
>>2815474
>Mods for old games.
>Let alone an old N64 game.
Color me surprised, if only other people put this much effort into this.
