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Previous thread(s) - >>2785646
This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.
Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories
CRT Pastebin (WIP): http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
S-Video Pasta: http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
Thread Survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1PhdXJYwA8xModrTV1Yt-i1tvNgwiagpeBx0m_xNIVtc/viewform?edit_requested=true&fbzx=9009823977812318933
hi dad
For anyone in LA area:
there's a PVM-1910 for sale in Newhall at $25. Check it out on craigslist.
The guy says "Not pretty, but it works", and I don't exactly know what that means, but it's worth a look I'd imagine.
I'd be driving up there right now if I wasn't living in lower Orange County.
>>2797793
And if anyone grabs this, throw a couple pictures of it our way
>>2797334
endless duel?
>>2797810
Looks like Gundam Battle Assault 2
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/gundam/gundam3.htm
>>2797810
G Gundam, you fag.
Makes me want to pick up a bigger consumer Trinitron.
>>2797829
I have that same 27" from centralia. Video's great but the speakers are pretty shit. Worth the $25 in any case
>>2797829
Big consumer trinitrons are fun. Enjoy the feeling that your whole house is going to explode whenever you start it up because of the boat horn that it emits.
>>2798232
Just get any vaper friends to start making sick clouds first to complete the experience
>>2798232
I love my flat 29", it's in a nearly pristine state and has very few geometry issues. But it's a bit too big for my room.
I need something like a 24/25" so I could stack it on my newly acquired BVM.
>>2798339
Are you seriously trying to thread war on /vr/?
>>2798339
Please dont start thread war.
This one has all of the proper info in OP's post as well as the pastebins and survey.
>>2798339
>has no OP info
>was created +6 hours later
no
>waiting for my pvm to ship
>>2798339
Literally why?
>>2798495
stop
>>2798495
No, do please keep trying. You may eventually amuse someone.
>>2798232
One of mine is very quiet when it starts up. Another one from the same product line sounds like someone banged on a gong.
>>2798383
>pastebins and survey
I'm not the other guy trying to push his thread but lel
>>2798578
What's your point? The other thread has less info in the OP and was made 6 hours after this one. It's just pointless thread warring from some autist.
>>2798495
Not CRT-specific. Nice try.
>>2798564
That's the 'degaussing' sound. It's a good thing. It's probably resonating with the frame of the TV if it sounds really loud.
>>2787962 (from last thread)
Got that Umbreon now. Espeon's still my favorite though.
>>2798597
I'm sure I'll level up Umbreon eventually.
>>2798597
>That's the 'degaussing' sound. It's a good thing.
No offense, but I don't think there is anyone in these threads who would not know that.
>>2798614
Not him, but you never know. I probably wouldn't have known at some point.
>>2797829
of course there would be one for sale in fucking woodinville of all places.
>>2798628
Sure, I just think these threads could survive a little less over-explaining of elementary stuff. It wears on you after a while.
One thing I'd keep in mind when posting here is "Did this person actually ask this question or am I just explaining shit for my own sake?" If someone doesn't get it, they'll ask eventually.
>>2798614
Some people really don't. Like the guy who I responded to might not have because he never said 'degauss'.
>>2798674
>I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE LEARN THINGS I ALREADY KNOW
I was answering it as if it were a question because it wasn't clear if they knew. Sorry you have a problem with that.
>>2798707
>capstroll
On the contrary I love it when people learn shit they don't know. But thread after thread of posts like yours are annoying as fuck, I'll just come out and say it. We shouldn't assume ignorance around here; is that really the kind of thread you personally want to read and contribute to?
>I was answering it as if it were a question because it wasn't clear if they knew.
Yeah, that's part of the problem. Like I said, if someone doesn't get it, they'll ask eventually.
This isn't personal.
>>2798734
A polite response to a not-overly-terse one. Some threads it can seem like every second post is a pic sans description saying "is this a good CRT?" but in other cases people generally get around to asking. I salute you, sir.
>>2798787
I have issue with "is this a good CRT?" with no additional information or links to specs given.
However, I don't get why telling someone what degaussing is is a bad thing. It's as irritating for me to write out for the umpteenth time as it is for you to read, but I am genuinely trying to clear up any possible confusion, because there is a lot misunderstood about CRT's.
>>2798802
Not him, but it's not that it's really much of a problem, we're just trying to streamline the thread :)
Eh, let's get drop this and get the thread going again. Sorry for my micro-rant, it's been more distracting than what I'm complaining about.
Has anyone every read this, or know where I can get an electronic copy?
http://www.amazon.com/Performance-Displays-Tutorial-Optical-Engineering/dp/0819441449
I've read small previews of the contents and it seems interesting. It's from 2003 so one would hope it covers early HD as well.
Just gonna post my schematic for RGB out of the SNES via RCA jacks from last thread.
If you don't want to use the SCART cables for whatever reason, the capacitors are necessary. This is because the SCART cable held them internally to cut down the RGB signal levels. Otherwise they are way too bright. The pins on the left are the AV out port pins, R is pin 1, G is pin 2, the top left corner is pin 12, the bottom left is pin 11.
This is how I get RGB from my SNES because I'm not going to get two expensive cables imported when I have very nice component cables here that are color-coded properly for RGB, and RCA to BNC adapters.
>>2798817
>forgot pic
dammit.
sup.
3x fw900
dell p1110
lacie 22 blue
Went there for the fw900's, the dude was cool as fuck and let me have the lacie and dell for free.
>>2798820
I did something similar to this and just want to point out more explicitly that those capacitors are polarized.
Updated the schematic for you so people are totally aware and don't have to look up capacitor markings. Also added the pin numbers.
>>2798828
Man, I thought my free 20L5 was good.
You may have just blown me out of the water... Can I get one of the FW900's off of you?
I am very very jealous.
>>2798828
yee
>>2798475
Cool! Which one are you getting?
>me when using PVM
>>2798854
Yeah, hand-drawn because I didn't feel like looking for a font that looks good when 6 pixels high.
>Krikzz STILL hasn't fixed Fire Emblem on the EDN8
>>2798524
Is that a BVM?
>>2798871
はい。 BVM-D20F1U.
Part of a dual monitor setup. The 2nd is an older 14F5U that had some damage to the left rack-mount handle. Sheared 2 of 3 out of the mounting screws for it in half during shipping somehow and bent the bottom left corner. Very minor burn-in as well. I have yet to properly relocate these in the room it currently occupies however, so photography hasn't been particularly high on my list, unfortunately.
>>2798881
Cool.
Also, what camera is that?
I'm looking for a new/used one that beats my point-n-shoot.
>>2798859
It's a 20L2
I really wanted something with s-video input so this seems to fit me perfectly.
>>2798919
Sweet!
I've got the 20L5, which AFAIK looks about the same for 240p/480i content. If so, you're in for a treat! Congrats, and welcome to the club!
>>2798913
Fujifilm S8200. Works quite well but I need to get a tripod for it. Don't remember if it can do 1/30 video capture but it does auto adjust aperture down to ISO400 with a manual shutter of 1/30.
>>2798923
Cool. I'll add that to the list of DSLR's I'll scout for used.
>>2798929
It's not a DSLR.
>>2798923
What camera settings work best generally?
Posted it in the other thread.
I like this type of TV, every time I see one I get it for my games nights mind, as it has all the inputs I need and all buttons I need on its CP,
Also
>Bush
>>2798817
>the capacitors are necessary. This is because the SCART cable held them internally to cut down the RGB signal levels. Otherwise they are way too bright.
The capacitors remove the DC offset from the RGB lines, which can cause some problems when fed directly to some TVs/monitors. They (should) have essentially no effect on screen brightness.
It's the resistors in cables for the Genesis and the like that are used to bring brightness down.
>>2798828
Jelly doesn't begin to describe it,
>>2798938
We're laughing at you, puny threadwarrior.
>>2798828
shit how much $$$?
>>2798980
On mine the problem was with automatic gain adjusment circuitry. E.G. it was too bright.
>>2798974
dude it's going to fall off your desk and put a hole in the floor
>>2798981
I was about to take satisfaction in a successful troll, but it turns out that it was just to easy.
>>2799008
I'm not the one who had the CRT, but I don't think you know how balance works.
>>2799023
Is that the fishing rpg?
>>2799026
Shigesato Itoi's Bass Fishing? No.
>>2799026
You mean Ocarina of Time? What are you smoking?
>>2799027
川のぬし釣り
>>2799074
mikejmoffitt, who modded RGB inputs onto a consumer US TV, doesn't use SCART at all and is wiser than us all.
>>2799083
(he uses VGA-style HD15 connectors)
Why do so many americans here insist on SCART, anyway? It's not like their PVM's can handle SCART without chaining cables together.
>>2799084
Different plug? He'll still use the caps in each video line.
>>2799087
Ubiquity?
SCART stuff is easy to find within the context of consoles.
It's easier to find a SCART cable for your SNES and buy a BNC breakout than it is to build a SNES>BNC cable.
>>2799087
Easy to get native, 1st party cables for all consoles. Get a single custom RGB > SCART from RetroGamingCables and then you can use mass produced cables for everything else.
>>2799089
He put them inside the console, not in the VGA connector. He's not afraid to drill holes.
"I mounted an HDB-15 port (that’s VGA!) to the back to feed it RGB. I use this for all of my RGB stuff since the cables are well shielded and easy to get for cheap. I use a VGA switchbox for source selection. For the curious, I wire RGB to pins 1, 2, and 3, ground pins 4-8, and put the composite sync signal on pin 13 (normally H-Sync)."
http://mikejmoffitt.com/wp/?p=284
>>2799096
>ubiquity
It's ubiquitous if it's used everywhere. SCART is basically exclusive to europe.
>SNES>BNC
heh. You're funny. See pic.
>>2799098
Or do something like this and don't import expensive cables from halfway across the world and wait on shipping when you have a PVM in front of you.
These adapters are available cheap and locally where I live (an ex-radioshack manager bought up radioshack's stock when they moved out of my area and he set up a DIY electronics shop), and this makes it easy to get RGB from my SNES without waiting on expensive bullshit cables from the UK to get to me.
I have a chance between a Sony PVM 20L1 S-Video only or a PVM-14M2U. What should I chose if I mostly use S-Video for everything outside of PS2? Also are the "in" and "out" behind PVMs mean that I can have 2 S-Video systems hooked up?
>>2799143
No, video out is video output. You'd hook that up to another monitor or a DVR
>>2799096
Define "easier". Besides which, bu imaging is way more fun.
I hope this Nintendo Brand Nintendo s video cable for Nintendo Brand consoles is worth it
>>2799109
He'll still use caps in the lines.
A line is not a cable, though a cable may be part or all of a line. Make sense now?
>>2799143
If you are okay with a smaller screen, definitely take the 14M2U. RGB is very very nice to have.
That said, SNES S-Video looks outstanding on my 20L5 which accepts RGB - in fact, it looks almost identical to RGB. You'd be okay with s-video in that case.
But I'd really go for the 14M2U with the extra format support, and get the 20L1 if you feel like getting two monitors. RGB is a must IMO for the flexibility it offers.
But if you only ever plan on using S-Video, then go ahead and get the 20L1.
>>2799174
Yes, my point is that he will have put them inside his console because that's the sensible thing to do.
>>2799173
A word of warning, it won't work with an AV famicom despite it using the same multi-AV out connector. That's a composite only system.
Not sure if you have an AV famicom, just throwing it out there.
>>2799205
Yeah I know famicoms are a whole deal on their own. Kind of made me shy away from the system.
>>2799209
whaat? why?
Famicom's rock! I am fine with composite from them on my PVM.
>>2799216
not enough waifus in 8bit man
>>2799197
cool cause I already have a Trinitron screen for component PS2
>>2799248
is yoshi masturbating
Anyone have some genesis/mega drive games on a PVM? I'm trying to justify going full sega
>>2799109
The ability to use a VGA switchbox seems nice. Problem with SCART is the switchboxes are both expensive and shit, while you can get an old KVM switch for really cheap (no-one wants the ones with PS/2 anymore, for instance). I say this coming from a resident in SCART-land even.
>>2798830
Nah b, need all three for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FScNdwuIm64
>>2799006
$300 Canadian dollaroos for everything. One of the fw900 is completely mint but sadly has an intermittent short but I've got to try it out see how bad it is and how often. I figure $150 ea for the two perfectly working ones is a good deal since you never fucking see these things here locally and believe me I've looked.
>>2799314
on a 14m2, if i have time tonight i'l grab some shots on my d20f1u
bit of moire but i think it's a great shot.
>>2799390
>$300 Canadian dollaroos for everything
>>2799314
>>2799414
>Canadian Dollars
As your amerifag neighbor, I suggest you take a few step backs and evaluate where you might've made your first mistake.Though to be honest, you could have it worse. I'd be thankful you're not trying to buy with Yuan, AU$, etc.
>>2799575
Forgot to mention. Good deal he got there, regardless (as long as he figures out that intermittent issue).
>>2798836
want
>tfw just ordered in 6 5" PVMs just for the fun of it
WHO /COLLECTING PVMS/ HERE
>>2799008
Its been sorted since, doing a bit of rearranging in the mean time, trying to top those "ULTIMATE GAMER" set ups that have a very high up LCD no CRT and a load of dupe systems, LCD has gone up higher since and TV
moved under
Could I use some BNC to VGA cables to get a PVM-14M2U as a 2nd monitor in 640x480 on modern hardware (GTX760 with DVI to vga) or do I need an earlier graphics card to pull something that crazy off.
>>2799770
>tfw you'll never have a mini tv wall
Why live?
I *might* get my hands on a KV25C5 tomorrow.
The size would be perfect for my room (would replace that hueg flat 29" trini)
>>2799868
If that model PVM can sync to a 31KHz horizontal refresh rate, then yes, you shouldn't have a problem. It's outputting 15KHz from modern PCs that becomes a very problematic issue.
Just be sure the cable adapter you get pushes horizontal and vertical sync together for CSync (unless you're planning on running HSync and Vsync through a separate "proper" sync combiner first). I don't remember if DVI Analog to VGA does anything different to the signal than native VGA but I don't think it should cause any problems.
I've got my eye on a Sony PVM-1354Q to replace my generic brand 13" CRT that has a nice big scratch in the middle of the screen, and I'd be using an N64, PS2, Saturn, Xbox, and Wii (mainly just for emulation) on it. Is it worth picking up?If yes, is it worth $250?
Keep in mind that throughout my life, I've only ever seen low quality CRT screens with either Composite or RF input, and I don't even know what S-Video looks like, let alone RGB.
I also guess this goes without saying, but an overwhelming majority of my gaming is done on that 13" CRT.
>>2799939
>If yes, is it worth $250
Jesus Christ I paid $35 for mine, burn it all down folks it's over.
That said it's a great small monitor. If it's in good condition it'll be leaps and bounds ahead of what you're used to.
>>2799628
I would've paid $300 for one good working fw900 since thats the going rate online before shipping, and pretty sure theres a guy on hardforum who sells calibrated ones for over a grand or something so pretty happy to get at least 2 for that price, think the last one I saw on kijiji (our craigslist) went for $300+ and It was over 200km away so I said fuck that. Also spotted a Sony KVHR36 at the sellers place and he had a pretty insane crt projection setup for movies.
>>2799939
250 is way too much for a 14", and you have to account hours.
just try to start with a cheap sony tv with a s-video (assuming you're in NA). Will do the job way cheaper while you wait for a more affordable PVM/BVM to pop up.
>>2799951
I should have been more clear about the price. $250 CAD, not USD, and I live in Newfoundland. Buying online is my only shot at this, unfortunately. Should I still go for it?
>>2799961
If it's at all possible try to talk them down. I love mine to death but I wouldn't pay more than $100 shipped if you absolutely must have a PVM.
>>2799961
I would pass since its a total gamble on the picture etc, take that $250 and put it towards an xrgb mini thats guaranteed to give an amazing picture or get crt set with component locally and a clone csy2100
>>2799961
Eh...Still pretty high. Maybe if it were AUD, but yeah.
>>2799987
Even for aud that's far too much. $50-$100 max.
>>2799868
That set is 15 kHz only. Look into powerstrip and CRU and decide how much work you want to do - it * might* be possible to use it with your 760. Or use Linux.
crt_emudriver is easiest, but needs an older radeon card. You could think about adding one in.
Anyone know the average going price range for a BVM-D24E1WU? The one im looking at has 21k hours on it.
>>2800148
$250+ and rising from what I've seen.
>>2800158
Where did did you did you find one for $250?!?! Or anything close to that the cheapest ive seen is close to $1000
>>2800161
Damn. Must've risen up quickly last time I've seen the price on other sites.
>>2800167
Yeah... I talked one guy down to $850 but id feel like an idiot if i found one a moth later for half that.
Im calling a bunch of local newstations tomorrow to see if they have anything lying around. If I can get even a smaller version of the d24 id be happy or similar pvm etc. Just need one that can do 480p 720p
>>2799795
>>2799939
A PVM is worth it over other small TVs solely for being a nice, compact CRT with handles and a boxy body that you can stack shit on. RGB and S-Video are just the cherry on top.
$250 is too much tho.
How probable is it that I'll run into the vertical lines/checkered pattern on my SNES/N64/GC with OEM S-video cables? Does this happen often, or is it usually with 3rd party cables?
>>2800294
Judging by the incorrect color palette, I'd assume it's been RGB modded.
>>2800315
Not very probable. The problem is mostly with cheap svideo cables.
>>2800354
ALright, great. Thanks for the reply
So, Conrac still makes a 14-inch CRT that can handle between 15khz and 40khz RGB signals.
Wonder what they want for them.
http://www.conrac.us/color.htm
HDMI GameCube, published today. What is this thing? Will Smashers soon be using this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HVYXpli7XM
>>2800380
No because HDMI=lag
>>2800386
I would assume that this is a lagless system, similar to the new "Ultra HDMI" mod for N64...
>>2800380
"smashers" have severe autism so no
>>2800294
>>2800353
Both wrong. Own an NES Frontloader but it's currently non-functional. The screenshots are from Rockman Complete Works VI for the Playstation 1.
I'd be very surprised if Capcom didn't represent the color pallete correctly because they typically do phenomenal jobs with their emulations/ports (Last I checked, we still can't even get MvC2 to accurately emulate in MAME and they did it back on the PS2)
GG.
>Everybody's got Trinitrons or BVM's
>Look at my CRT
>Zenith
Fuck me...
>>2800438
Just upgrade mang, I couldn't deal with the sanyo I pulled out of a basement anymore
>>2800440
So where's the best place to look? Goodwill won't even take CRTs where I live anymore, and rummages aren't consistent enough up here in Wisconsin.
>>2800415
Only lagless if you have a theoretical CRT that does zero processing and somehow still displays a signal.
>>2800452
Craigslist, garage sales, flea markets, going out of business sales.
You can just get one shipped too, they're more expensive but much less than a good modern TV or about the same as a decent PC monitor
>>2800434
No one can accurately get NES colors because they are encoded in a different color space and all TV's display YUV/YIQ differently.
>>2800380
As stated in the video and the review linked in the description, it's just an applied version of something that came out a year ago.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51450
>>2800458
Thanks Anon, I'll have to start looking more locally then.
>>2800468
You could also try calling your local newstation(s) or any local broadcast stations and see if they have anything theyre looking to get rid of.
>>2800468
Yeah people still have luck with dealing locally. I didn't find anything I really wanted so I just said screw it and ordered one off ebay. I'm not a patient person
>>2800475
What'd you end up getting, if I may ask Anon?
>>2800487
pvm 20
it should be here by thursday
>>2800489
PVM 20 isn't a model number.
20 inches maybe, but there are multiple PVM models.
>>2800491
You didn't ask for a specific model number
>>2800495
mmk, and now I am. What model number?
>>2800495
You are correct, I didn't ask for a model. Other Anon is not me.
Is there anywhere online to buy a CRT besides eBay?
>>2800583
http://www.conrac.us/color.htm apparently
Also craigslist
>>2800583
Some Charity shops still got them, or you could try your luck on various free sites
>>2800380
Unless a lagless HDMI-compatible display materializes out of thin air, I highly doubt it.FED Monitors when?skeleton.png
>>2800808
The Ultra HDMI N64 chip is claiming to be lagless or nearly lagless. Thoughts?
> the most important aspect to the Ultra HDMI is that it promises a zero-delay signal with less than 100 nanoseconds of lag when no filters are added to the output.
http://www.retrocollect.com/News/retroactives-ultra-hdmi-nintendo-64-adapter-coming-soon.html
>>2800623
>>2800846
What's the point of HDMI, anyways? Just to have it hook up to a modern display more easily? You still have every problem that comes with connecting a N64 to a modern TV.
>>2800502
PVM-20L2
I just checked the tracking number and it should show up TODAY
>>2800846
depending on your display the display itself can lag things up (typical of flat panels). but if you get the total lag less than 10 ms it's as good as non-existent for me, anyway.
How do I I get proper color and screen size from my pvm? Picked one up and all the advanced setting have been fucked with.
Anyone who's used both a 1chip and a modded mini have any input?
The RGB modded mini looks almost too bright to me but I'm not sure how it is on an actual decent display
So with renewed interest in CRTs, what are the chances of a niche company picking up Sony's lapsing aperture grille patent and producing new HR SD monitors?
I'd pay up to $1000 for a CRT with a new tube and 480p compatibility.
>>2801016
Basically zero
>>2801015
1CHIP and Mini are using the exact same hardware, except with different board layouts.
Any difference in brightness would likely come down to how the latter was modded to reenable RGB output. The same site that's from has information on doing exactly that.
http://www.retrorgb.com/snesminirgbmod.html
>>2801016
>I'd pay up to $1000 for a CRT with a new tube and 480p compatibility.
You missed a zero.
>>2801016
>480p
I might be able to scrounge up a sealed-in-box Sony or Mitsubishi VGA monitor for you, and I'd even throw in a component transcoder.
Thanks in advance for the $1000 anon! :^)
Anyone know anything about adding composite ports to a TV that only has a coaxial port? The tv shell and main board have what looks like a spot for it to be soldered in but just wasn't. I could try getting a small RF modulator and shoving it inside but I want it to look nice since the crt is transparent anyways. Maybe I need to share some pictures..
>>2801038
>clear
>rf only
did you pick up a prison tv?
>>2801078
I did! Saw it at my local goodwill with no price tag and got it for ten bucks on an offer. I want to slap in enough led's to have this thing glowing to the point of not seeing the innards. But first I need to make it even usable and give it at least composite.
It's gonna be the sexiest tv at any tournament I tell ya whut.
>>2801081
lel, nice
>>2801089
That looks pretty cool
>>2801089
Heeyyyy, das it mayne. I was trying to find a nice sized image of this model, J13805CL, but couldn't find shit on google images.
RF only, and I'd prefer not to use a modulator to get composite on it. Eventually it's gonna light up light a fuckin' Christmas tree.
>>2801093
I wonder if modding it for RGB wouldn't actually be easier. Composite has to be decoded anyway.
This might be helpful if you consider that option possible:
http://mikejmoffitt.com/wp/?p=284
>>2801109
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have RGB on it too but I don't really have anything that uses it. I've got 15+ other CRT's that I bring to Melee tournaments and this is the only one I have that doesn't have at least composite, making it nearly useless for anyone trying to hook up their Gamecube or Wii to it.
>>2801112
People are still finding NIB apple IIs and shit. We'll be fine.
I'm sure there will be a better solution once the supply actually dries up in another 30 years
>>2801114
Maybe see if you can tap into composite and line audio input after the tuner, dunno. If for some reason there's a chip that can take other signal types like s-video in there, you could use that instead.
![20151117_033512[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qwuIHO4.jpg "20151117_033512[1].jpg")
>>2801125
>Maybe see if you can tap into composite and line audio input after the tuner
You're talking about this part, right?
I took picturesssss, brace for potato
![20151117_033852[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kKU2xJR.jpg "20151117_033852[1].jpg")
>>2801138
![20151117_033910[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/00Pxaw9.jpg "20151117_033910[1].jpg")
>>2801140
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>>2801142
It's like they specifically didn't want to put in more ports. DAMN THEIR CHEAPNESS
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>>2801145
das it for now
>>2801081
That prison TV is awesome, please don't put stupid LEDs inside.
>>2801114
Post how you store 15+ CRTs, I want to see.
>>2801145
There's assumedly a non-clear model of this exact TV that has composite and maybe S-Video. It's probably about $2 on ebay. Buy one, then swap the internals.
>>2801014
Anyone?
>got my pvm today
>can't use it until my cables come in
>>2801772
I know that feel
So I bought a DSLR for reasons unknown two nights ago at 3:00 am.
Gonna be taking some nicer shots of my 14l5 sooner or later once the damn thing gets here.
>>2801772
I was fortunate to have an S-Video cable on hand when I got my first PVM, so I could at least hook it up by that. Was half-dissappointing though compared to what RGB looks like on it.
>>2802204
I tried s-video from my saturn but I just get the no sync message
>>2802208
Also, is the screen supposed to be "jittery" if I don't have anything hooked up to it? I'm kind of worried it was overly damaged during shipping
>>2802217
>is the screen supposed to be "jittery" if I don't have anything hooked up to it?
You mean the OSD? Yes
>>2802217
yeah, that's what the OSD looks like when it doesn't have any sync
>>2802219
>>2802221
Ok then, it seems to have a small crack in the top right corner of the plastic from UPS exclusively hiring retards but the screen seems fine.
The only other thing is it's missing this circled thing on the back and instead there's 2 blank pieces like the one on the right. That's not important is it?
Have some old and not very good shots of my PVM-14N2E. I've called it a PVM-14L2 in previous posts, but I just checked the back of it and saw that I've been wrong all along, derp... (I'm the guy with PVM-14L4 + PVM-14N2E (not 14L2) that is always mad jelly at all the 14L5 owners who get 480p and HD)
>>2802231
>>2802228
That's an expansion card, it gives more inputs/other kinds of inputs. It's not neccesary. Sometimes the only way to get HD inputs is through expansion cards anyway. Sometimes you can get SDI on them too, but I don't think any of us here use SDI anyway.
>>2802236
the filenames say 2009 but they're actually from 2013 or early 2014 or something like that.
>>2802208
>I tried s-video from my saturn but I just get the no sync message
I'm not sure if this applies to s-video, but is there a setting on the front for external sync? If it's on, that might be the problem.
>>2802236
>That's an expansion card
Alright, maybe I'll ask the seller if they can send me it anyway seeing as it was pictured after all. But it's nice to know it's not critical
>>2802245
Yeah I tried flipping that on and off but it didn't work. It would appear I need to do the whole scart to BNC thing. Kind of a pain in the ass but w/e I'm already in it now
>>2802228
Did you think the extra ports were on it when you bought it? That's a ~$100 piece of kit, likely, so kind of sucks if they stole it before shipping. Lets you add a second RGB input.
>>2802208
>I tried s-video from my saturn but I just get the no sync message
Is it possible you have it on the wrong input, or perhaps you have to go into the menus to choose whether to look for S-Video or Composite for that specific input?
I don't have any experience with the L-series, so I'm not sure how different they operate in comparison to the M-series' menus/input selection.
>>2800846
It may be possible to output HDMI near laglessly, but it is not for an LCD to laglessly process and display.
>>2801030
Here, new tube and 480p. You will have to contact them to ask for pricing though.
http://www.conrac.us/color.htm
>>2802595
Well there's only 1 s-video in and s-video out labeled Line A and switching to and from Line A via the buttons on the front don't do anything useful. I didn't see any menu options for specific inputs other than RGB/Component for the RGB/Component line.
>>2802586
Yeah man it was pictured in the description and it wasn't a stock photo. They went out of their way to say it didn't come with a power cable so I have to imagine if it wasn't supposed to come with the expansion card they would have said that.
Hopefully they can give me at least a partial refund for that and doing a shitty packing job (thin styro and a "box" that was just taped together cardboard panels) that provided no protection to the corners.
>>2801772
>not doing this
>>2801501
read service manual, find default values
>>2802753
That'd still require cables I don't have just laying around
>>2802757
>not having RCA cables and a local hobby store that sells BNC -> RCA adapters
Jesus christ, I live in Indiana and I've got this shit. What third world area are you in?
so got hold of a KV25C5B, it is indeed the perfect size for my room, but it has a lot of hours and it shows. Display is slightly blurry (could only get it a bit better with focus pot) and there's some little vertical wavelets.
One thing for sure tho, geometry is far less troubled than on flat screens. It was pretty much perfect out of the box.
>>2802758
Yes fuck me for not having random adapters just laying around my house and creepy tv repair hobby shops open at 4AM
>>2802758
I've always just bought BNC->RCA adapters on the net. The ones I can buy locally are the exact same thing but have ten times the price if not twenty.
>>2802764
No, just general purpose hobby shops. Like radio shack was. And no, they aren't open at 4 AM. However, waiting 4 hours < waiting two weeks.
>>2802765
This is for the sake of getting things quickly. He was waiting on shipping and I was showing how I avoided ever waiting for shipping.
>>2799351
>The ability to use a VGA switchbox seems nice. Problem with SCART is the switchboxes are both expensive and shit, while you can get an old KVM switch for really cheap (no-one wants the ones with PS/2 anymore, for instance). I say this coming from a resident in SCART-land even.
Yeah, that's a great thing. And if you want to get clever you can route audio through the PS/2 (or AT/XT keyboard) connector (it's a 6-pin mini-DIN for PS/2 or a 5-pin DIN, not mini, for AT/XT).
I got a free AT KVM just cleaning out a back room at work.
>>2802892
Well all I have is s video cables so I don't have much of a choice but wait.
>>2802907
Couldn't you just route audio through two of the unused HDB-15 pins? I mean I guess you're only using 4 pins for RGBS (respective RGB pins plus either of H or V for S). I guess you'd be able to use a separate cable for less buzz though if you used the PS/2 or AT/XT port.
Going to check out some jvc monitors tomorrow.
I was wondering what people usually use as a video source to test them out. I found a tv test pattern iso and burned it to a dvd. But testing on my crt neither of the av cables that i have for my ps2 can output a clean enough signal for testing. I also have a snes with an equally crappy av cable. Can I get away with testing with one of these systems? I mean I will be able to notice pic related, but i'm afraid i might miss more subtle convergence issues.
>>2802751
In there a "Line A" composite video BNC port on the back? If so, that version of Line A is likely active. It sounds like you need to switch to S-Video in a menu.
>>2802747
So, if the chips work correctly, this would result in SSB64 and SSBM having *the same* lag as SSB4, correct? I wonder if that will be sufficient.
>>2802947
No one wants to drill holes in their SNES when RGB works perfectly via the multi-out.
Somebody please tell me that $250 for a PVM-14L5 is way too much money so I stop thinking about picking it up.
>>2803479
Do you need the multiformat capabilities?
>>2803463
No option for that unless there's a different menu via the remote I don't have
>>2803519
I mean it certainly would be nice. A the moment I was planning on playing games 640p and up on my sony gdm-f500 21 inch computer monitor. I has some nice bnc inputs on the back and supports rgb h/v and rgb sync on green + vga obviously for dreamcast and the 5 ps2 games that support it. I has a max resolution of 1800x1440 tho so no 1080 signals. Gotta keep my eye out for one of those Lacie Electron22Blue monitors. Im thinking that the 14 inch pvm would be al lil on the small side for 1080 anyways.
>>2803479
If its in good condition I'd guess thats a "fair" price.
They're like $350+ on ebay. I got mine for way lower than that though. But between my 20L2 and my 14L5, I chooise the 14L5 as my 20L2 is in storage.
>>2803479
Fair price for the best 14" retro gaming TV. Grab it before someone else does.
>>2803579
>>2803605
Ugh you two aren't helping me at all. Its that pvm from 2001 or a 2006 JVC TM-H150CG with s-video/composite only for $50. I know its not anywhere near as versatile, but I am pretty sure I am going to be happy with the quality of s-video (and It will save me spending 200+ dollars on a bunch of rgb scart connectors and a bnc adapter.) But there is no way ill be able to track down the rgb input card for the JVC and I dont want to end up feeling like I half assed it. Then again for only 50 bux it's not like i cant grab a pvm down the line. Ill make sure to post the listing on here for fellow MA anons once I pick up what i want.
>>2802751
If it was ebay or at least PayPal you can guarantee part of your money back. Don't scam then, but the item was damaged, and not exactly as pictured. You're entitled to a partial refund.
>>2803437
240p suite for the Wii would be just the thing.
>>2803696
>Don't scam then
Not planning to, I'd just like the expansion card that was supposed to be included. I sent a message asking them to send it to me but they haven't gotten back to me yet.
It's a relatively high volume company on ebay with a good rating so I have to imagine they'll at least try to be fair.
>>2799939
>PVM-1354Q to replace my generic brand 13" CRT
>Is it worth picking up?
A PVM is really just a normal CRT with few (if any) geometry issues and a better interface for color/brightness/contrast control. The ability to put it in underscan can be nice since it'll probably be the only time you'll see the "whole" game outside of an emulator. Also, Aperature Grille looks a lot better IMO than Shadowmask.
But really, if you can get a consumer trinitron you won't be missing out on much, and can save quite a bit of money.
>If yes, is it worth $250?
fuck no. check craigslist for your local major city, I guarantee you you'll find something at a good price. I spent $70 for a 14" last month that has almost no hours (was in a church) and was made in 2004, and I still think I probably overpaid by about $10-20. If you were talking about a 27" or larger then maybe, but otherwise you should try to stay under $60 and never go over $100.
>I've only ever seen low quality CRT screens
If you're using composite/RF on a PVM, you'll be disappointed. All the images ITT are of people using RGB SCART or YPbPr (aka, component). If you plan to mod for those outputs, then you'll get a lot more use out of a PVM, but otherwise there's not much point.
>>2803479
Go for it. My 20L5 rocks (was free, but that seems to be a rare occurrence in nature), and I can highly recommend the L5 series. $250 sounds like a decent enough price, though I'd try to make a lower offer before biting at $250. Something like $180-$200 or similarly low-ball.
>>2803774
Just so you know,
>>2799216 is composite.
So is this.
Composite can look great on CRT's. RGB is better, don't get me wrong, but composite is NOT horrible, especially on the NES.
For 16 bit systems, though, S-video should be the minimum. RGB preferred.
>>2803437
Component video from my sony DVD player sufficed for my 20L5. Your TV looks like the yoke has sunk waaay back on the neck, or the purity rings are very loose. Not a pretty sight. Hope you can fix it - I've got a bit of CRT convergence experience and can help if you'd like.
If you need a better test pattern DVD I can supply one too. Just gotta find it.
>>2803467
>No one wants to drill holes in their SNES when RGB works perfectly via the multi-out.
Well, I obviously did. It works great and I didn't pay for expensive cables that can only be used on one console. Plus you don't need a second expensive cable because the first one only got you to SCART and you need to go to BNC.
Just standard RCA cables.
>>2803798
Better exposure, uploaded wrong one.
What do I do with these? Do I trade them for more peanut butter as pictured on the far right?
Also I need to wipe down these bezels with something less watery.
>>2799770
Please show us pictures when they arrive. This could be glorious.
>>2803948
>>2803926
I was gonna post all my PVMs with the vomiting dog because I really like posting the vomiting dog since the jannie shits his britches when he sees it but I don't feel like picking up a 20M4U and some 14" downstairs that I don't know the model number of while it rots in the corner of a closet.
>>2803778
You are still obnoxious as fuck
>>2803956
Just do it with all the 5":ers then.
>>2803479
I got two L4's for less than that (same thing but no multiformat). Locally though. Sold off one off them to a mate.
Still, I'd probably pay that much if I had the chance to pick an L5 up...
>>2803969
I meant with the vomiting dog, or something else on them.
>>2803975
Oh my mistake, I think I can make that work, I'll get back to it in a few weeks when I'm less busy.
>>2803552
>640p
480p, right? Or do you really use 640p as a custom resolution for anything?
>>2803648
>I dont want to end up feeling like I half assed it
Avoiding that feeling without gambling tends to cost more.
FWIW, I'm a firm believer in compromising where it makes sense to you personally.
>>2803479
lol no. way too much for that size. If you don't have one already, work your way with a S-video tv (sony if possible), while you eventually wait for a decently sized/prized PVM.
>>2803437
This might be a bit unrelated but I found out you could use "Makeruna! Makendo" for the SFC for testing convergence. It has a video test in the option menu.
I used that when fixing my 14N2E (still need to have a second go at that though. it ended up slightly non-linear vertically)
>>2803774
Pro tubes and screens may be designed to have as few inherent geometry problems as possible, but they aren't automatically better because of it. You'll find just as many problematic units in the wild, fixable in the same way as consumer TVs and monitors.
Pro monitors also tend to use better phosphors.
What's a good price for PVMs these days? I have a nice PVM-2030, but a 2530 popped up on ebay in my area. Auction looks good, but the starting bid seems a bit steep at $200. I paid $90 for my 2030 a few years ago. I already have all the cords I need for RGB on the 2030/2530.
A quick craigslist search shows another 2530 for $230.
>>2804102
Depends on your definition of good and if you're including shipping. 150 is the maximum I'd pay before shipping
>>2804108
Both would be local pick-up, so no shipping.
