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This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.
Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories
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>>2813225
i couldn't believe how clean the saturns RGB is.
really puts the snes to shame, looks like i should find me a 1chip/mini...
>>2813248
Saturn is also probably the greatest 2D machine ever made
>>2813248
Shut the fuck up.
>>2813221
>muh civil
;_;
>>2813290
What crawled up your ass and died?
>>2813248
SNES 1chip
Didn't know it was a 1CHIP when I got it, just went to a used game store and asked to buy a SNES. They handed me what turned out to be a 1CHIP.
>>2813342
Another SNES 1CHIP pic
>>2813342
i'll find one someday
here's a shot from my snes
>>2813347
I think that looks good.
I actually have never seen a non-1CHIP SNES outputting RGB in person. Hoping that changes some day.
>>2813347
another, parallel worlds hack
odd how I have a 1CHIP SNES and don't see why I should mod my famicom for RGB. I like composite well enough.
>>2813357
I don't have a SNES flash cart so I can't compare that to my own.
What motherboard revision is your SNES, then?
My 1CHIP, displaying link to the past on my PVM-20L5 (left), and panasonic BT-H1390YN (right). Both have RGB inputs.
Apple IIe composite monitor and 1chip SNES (obviously using composite out)
dat composite artifacting. Feels very retro. I think I like RGB more, but this is always good once in a while.
>>2813364
I can't remember, haven't opened it since I got it. I had to replace the power jack, it was years ago, I just know it's not a 1chip.
It's not exactly high on my priority list, it would be nice though
>>2813369
and with the monochrome switch, it becomes nice and crisp (comparatively).
>>2813273
It's certainly up there, but I think Neo Geo beats it in terms of raw power.
In particular, I'm thinking of the Waku Waku 7 Saturn port that doesn't look quite as nice as its Neo Geo counterpart, even with the expansion cart.
>>2813397
Only if you don't appreciate that this was a high quality TV set in the late 80's and have no culture outside the safe world of PVM's.
I think PVM's are better but the apple monitor has it's charm.
>mfw I have 5 trinitrons. 4 tvs and 1 bvm
>mfw I have no space and 2 of them are still in the car trunk
>mfw I have to move that 29" FD behemoth out of my room
But I'm pretty psyched, I think I found my holy grail of consumer trinitron.
>>2813415
Congrats, but why not use the BVM?
>>2813385
Saturn completely buries the Neo, but the Neo has basically unlimited and infinitely fast memory. You can't really expect perfect ports because of that.
Only starting with the DC memory restricions became less of a problem.
>>2813425
still waiting for those BNCs adapters, and it's a 14".
I'll use, don't worry :)
>>2813434
trinitron is sonys name for aperture grille
14 is a bit on the small size for my tastes, but it showed less than 50km away so I couldn't pass it, and for a fairly reasonable price. The test grid looked terrificly sharp, 700TVLs
>>2813443
My point is you listed TV's separate from trinitron's. Trinitron's are TV's usually.
>>2813446
the BVM is also a trini
>>2813449
>>2813446
proof
>>2813446
way too many apostrophes, bro.
possessives, not plurals.
>>2813475
my mother may be an english teacher but I never got the hang of apostrophes.
>>2813494
You should only use apostrophes when omitting letters; as in contractions, such as, "don't, isn't, I'd," etc., or when indicating possession: eg. "Archibald's Abacus, Paracelcus' Persimmon".
Don't use them for pluralisation.
Also English is always spelled with a capital E.
/grammarnazi
>>2813406
My point was that Pokemon was designed with a specific screen in mind and it looks best at it's native resolution. That just looks like an ugly mess. It's the equivalent of throwing a scanline filter over something.
>>2813529
>Don't use them for pluralisation
Unless you're pluralizing an initialism.
For example, the plural of CD is CD's.
>>2813567
Are you out of your mind? What about that looks crisp to you? It's a hideous moire pattern all over a game that should never ever look like that.
>>2813554
kek
>>2813554
I don't know about American English, but in British English the use of apostrophes in that fashion is frowned upon.
They're only used for pluralising abbreviations/acronyms/symbols when it would otherwise lead to ambiguity, which occurs rarely outside of academic literature.
>>2813595
I don't mean to be that guy, but if you're going to get upset over people not staying on topic, 4chan may not have been the best website to come to.
>mfw getting a good genesis 2 from a pawn shop for $10
wt'f i's al'l thi's shi't
>>2813538
I don't see moire unless it's zoomed out, I don't see scanlines because the Apple monitors were optimized for 240p, not 480i, and thus have a wider electron beam. The phosphors are large, which I believe is what you really have issue with here. It looks kind of 'grainy'. However, compared to color composite on it, the lines are sharp.
>>2813574
American english frowns upon it too, I was wrong and my mother would be ashamed.
The 16 bit games don't look so good on this, of course.
>>2813687
Could be way worse. I think that shows composite artifacts less than pokemon, though I do notice that you're losing detailed pixels. Overall, I'd still play on it. It is kind of nice not to have harsh scan lines, though it's sad that it comes at that cost.
I think this one looks great though, besides the obvious warping at the top of the screen.
>>2813660
>>2813687
>>2813695
Reminds me of the PowerPC I had and would play Worms and Mac shareware on all day.
>>2813698
Sure, only this isn't even a 68k mac monitor. It's from an Apple IIe.
Gotta love the rainbow logo though.
>>2813702
Your IIe composite monitor shots are always comfy.
>>2813720
Thanks. Did you remember them? Been a while since I posted any.
Have my old favorite.
>>2813660
I don't know how you can possibly think that looks good, but whatever. I'll stick with a gameboy and if I have to emulate then at least use something that doesn't make it look like that.
>>2813739
>SGB is an emulator
You do realize that you can desolder the CPU in a Game Boy, swap it with the CPU in a Super Game Boy, and it'll still work? It'll even boot faster because you don't have to wait for the nintendo logo crawl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22rzmnLz3eA
>>2813739
see >>2813342
I'm the same guy who posted the Apple IIe monitor. I was posting candid photos of how they looked.
>>2813739
>and if I have to emulate
No emulation going on there. It does technically run faster than an original Game Boy, but it's entirely original hardware.
SGB2 on the other hand, is 100% accurate to the original Gameboy.
https://a.pomf.cat/prolsq.jpg
>>2813752
>>2813753
Correct. And the original SGB can even be made 100% accurate by cutting a trace and adding an oscillator.
>>2813785
Why is that not posted here? You can compress jpeg's of CRT's way more than a lot of images. That umbreon battle pic was compressed with a jpeg ratio of 66 to fit and still looks okay.
Does it really matter whether something is an emulator or not?
>>2813731
>Did you remember them?
not that guy but i remember your shots.
mostly because of your hacked mini din out that triggers my 'tism
great shots though, and playing gb games on an apple IIe monitor seems super comfy.i don't like how you paste the light-off crt image into a lighted-room shot of the same pic, then again, 'tism
>>2813797
>Does it really matter whether something is an emulator or not?
Yes. We'd be using scanline filters otherwise.
>>2813801
Sorry about that. If it makes you any happier I'm unsatisfied with it too and found a dead famicom on ebay that I bought for the case. Gonna try again and this time replace the RF module /power supply properly.
I'll post the originals if I can find them.
>>2813826
And this is why I merged two photos.
![Eye-Benders-Shutterstock1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bmNzh88.jpg "Eye-Benders-Shutterstock1[1].jpg")
>>2813826
>>2813830
i think it's just because it's so unnatural for me to see a super bright and crisp CRT (from a dark room) in a lighted room.
you know, like one of those mindfuck optical illusions, my brain knows something isn't quite right.were you that guy that one time that did that with his N64 but forgot to shop in the power LED of the 64 and /crt/ went nuts over the crt that displayed the n64 that was 'powered off'?
>>2813745
So what? I'm comparing it to a gameboy screen. It looks ugly.
>>2813842
I didn't know about that, so no, it wasn't me.
Can you link? That sounds funny.
>>2813854
Yeah, and this doesn't. You do realize that they specially programmed enhancements for the Super Game Boy, and therefore must have intended that it be playable _on the super game boy_?
>>2813854
>>2813826
>Yes. We'd be using scanline filters otherwise.
I don't follow. You can use CRTs with emulators with the right setups.
Taken on a BVM.
>>2814063
Indeed
Here's Mario 3 running through a snes emu onps2displayed on a BVM-20G1E
>>2814208
Looks like poop
>>2814208
Guess what the difference is between these pics? One these is real.
>>2814281
monitor BTW is a PVM-20L5
>>2814281
Looks super dark. You may want to check your brightness if that isn't your camera darkening the image.
>>2814281
This one is exactly one scanline higher.
>>2814301
It's my camera. I'm aware how it's supposed to look. And it looks bright when zoomed in all the way, I have very thick 'scan lines' om my set. Not sure what his BVM has off the top of my head, but mine hits 800TVL. I know the BVM's go from ~600 up to 1000TVL.
>>2814208
>>2814281
>all stars
>>2814323
Only used it for comparison. I'm not dumbass enough to not play the NES version.
>>2814319
Yeah my G is 800 lines too
Got an F with 900 but he's poorly at the mo
>>2814346
"poorly" meaning?
What's wrong?
>>2814301
Here, I destroyed the levels for you.
>>2814348
Just blinks the standby light.
Any ideas?
>>2814409
Not really. Checked the service manual?
If you check and can't find anything, tell me the exact model number and I'll try to look into it sometime. With the whole thanksgiving hullabaloo coming up I might not remember, but if you say something in the future maybe I'll remember then.
>using official snes cable
>it uses composite for sync
>notice a faint checker
>open the plug
>change the pin to luminance
>everything is now crystal clear
DAAAAANNNNG. All those years I found image quality pretty muddy, no wonder why...
>>2814438
It'll be less muddy if you do it fucking right (tm) and use actual csync composite sync. Not composite video as sync.
>>2814451
blame nintendo for not shielding composite wire.
using luma as sync is pretty much the same as using csync, besides csync isn't available on PAL SNES multi av out.
>>2814438
I have to ask since I don't have the former to make a comparison but is there any distinct advantage of using SCART wired for csync vs SCART wire for composite sync with an inline sync-stripper/cleaner in terms of quality?
Obviously a benefit is not needing a separate sync stripper but I already have one from retrogamingcables.co.uk so that doesn't apply in my case.
I've also heard some consoles output weak csync and other's don't by default so that might also be an advantage?
Opinions
>>2814438
Could I get an example of this checker pattern? I am using a Scart cable with sync on composite and I have never noticed it. My picture looks crisp and clear.
>>2814494
main problem is that proper csync often isn't readily available. MD/Gen have a sync pin, but it comes from the VDP and the voltage level isn't suitable of a TV. Some encoders found on some model 2 consoles don't output csync.
PAL SNES is replaced with 12v, for SCART AV switching purposes.
Some devices like XRGB or some PVMs/BVMs don't like composite video as sync, that's the main use of sync stripper.
On SCART tvs, there's no problem in using composite video as sync, as long as the composite wire is properly shielded (which often not the case unfortunately, even in official cables), I made myself a cable for a NESRGB modded AVFamicom, and I made sure to use one of the shielded wires in the cable for composite video, and I get perfect image.
Also, "boosted (c)sync" is the same as pure csync, it's not an amped signal.
>>2814498
if you go to the svideo pasta, there is an example of checker board. With RGB, it's less noticiable but is there. Are you using an official cable ? Also, with what console?
>>2813858
>Can you link? That sounds funny.
Is there an archive now since moe went down? I didn't make a screen cap.
RGB modded NES on d20f1u
>>2814550
I'm not using an official cable, rather one from Retro Console Accessories. Also using a SNES Mini with RGB modding.
>>2814578
Gorgeous. Gotta love the shades.
>>2814578
Some Xtreme on my BVM
>>2814669
if composite wire is shielded well enough, then you won't have any problem.
>>2814674
Shot with my galaxy s6 edge. My wife has a fancy dslr but I'm a lazy, lazy man.
I cannot recommend BVMs/PVMs enough, mine has ~65000 hours and still is absolutely stellar.
Please excuse the glare on picrelated, shot casually while playing with an old friend.
here's the new setup that replaces the previous 29 behemoth
>>2814726
I can't post 2nd image, I'm spam and not aware of it
>>2814741
>>2814749
pretty sure it thinks it was QRcode....
traditional TF4 shot for conclusion
If anyone knows where to get or has a copy of a .pdf for a BVM-1911 id appreciate it. Need to look into a couple things one being the stock password for the maintenance menu and also if anyone knows a way to get the drawer open without the key if it locked.
I have one coming my way and the man who sold it to me doesnt have a password and im waiting to hear back about a key. He said he'd talk to the previous owner and see what he knows about the password.
>>2814753
oh and to Kya, I don't know if you have the game or a flashcart, but if you can you should record that first level with your setup.
Pics don't do justice on how incredible the whole background motion is in motion.
>>2814774
Lol, I was waiting for you to post after last thread. Way to keep up ;)
Find me some free hosting and I'll upload the manuals for the 1910 and 1916. The 1910/2010P and 1915/2015P are the slightly earlier versions of the 1911/2011P and 1916/2016P. The latter are an update of the former, taking the same add-in cards and stuff, but having Sony's first OSD menus and that stupid password. The 1916 manual has some stuff about it.
I'll also upload a pic of the drawer key of a 1415 that also works for the 2010. Print it out on as perfect a one-to-one scale as you can (there's a ruler at cm scale in the pic) and take it to a locksmith or Mr Minit or whatever. You can use a Silca/Securadoor garage door blank.
Threadly Reminder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjJ8irRPdqk
>>2814796
Haha ive been busy all weekend. And havent had time to post. As well as being at work my damn phone IP was banned cause dynamic IP bs and someone else causing shit with that IP so had to wait for the appeal to approve. As far as upload sites i dont know i mean dropbox, megaupload etc. Im not to familar with many.
>>2814796
I have a manual for the 1916/2016 already. It seems anything for 1911/2011 is all impossible to find or behind some pay for the manual garbage. I mean ill buy a physical one there was a decently cheap on on ebay
>>2814818
Kinda bummed with how meh animated shows look on PVM.
They look cool but scanlines are super faint
>>2814845
Scratch that ebay ad, it sold beginning of last month for roughly £7 idk what that is in my native Freedom Units but wouldve been nice to have.
>>2814796
If the password isnt set its either i believe i read 9999 or 1111 depending on the model. Some had 5 digit passes though not sure which models. More important is the key though. Cause i can brute force the password if need be. Itll take awhile but eventually id get it
ASKING THE EXPERTS.
What features do I need to look for when buying a CRT?
>>2814838
>>2814845
>>2814852
Ok, so I can't tell if those are all the same person. Either way, pic related in the key. If you want those manuals, find me a place to upload that doesn't need an account, and i'll do it :)
>>2814957
inputs: s-video, scart rgb or component
resolution: sd = good for sd content
brand: avoid chinese unknown brands
size: over 27 inch will be impossible to move by yourself
>>2814967
Of course theyre all me haha i use a name for a reason. Lol
Thank you for the picture. When i get home ill try and find a free hosting site for that 1910/2010 manual
>>2815012
>1910/2010 manual
Actually it's online - http://neohyphengeo.com/BVM2010.pdf
If the 1915/16 manuals are up, though, i'm the source. I couldn't find them and some sets came up locally, so I paywalled them. I'm happy to give them out though :)
>i use a name for a reason
Didn't even twig, lol.
>>2815042
Yeah the 1916 manual i already have a copy. So im good there but thanks
>>2814848
Anime is not 240p. It's not supposed to have visible scanlines.
Someone mind showing SotN CRT shots? Preferably slotmask. This is for research purposes.
>>2815106
I'd put mine up but they're of the PSP port of SOTN which brings in the weird boxed frame output of the PSP's 480p over component. I can photograph my PS1's output but I won't be able to get it until tomorrow since I recently rearranged my room layout and most of the console video wiring has not been redone yet.
Can't help you with Slotmask but I do have Aperture Grill.
>>2815143
If your PSP is softmodded, you could always toss an Eboot of SOTN on it; Nice and clean 240p.
>>2815106
I'll try to get some on the Megaview in a bit, but have some grille.
>>2815143
>weird boxed frame output of the PSP's 480p over component
The PSP can't scale its games, so it can only output video at 480x272 (its screen resolution).
The result is a 480x272 sized box in the middle of a 640x480 sized TV.
It can do fullscreen PS1 games through its emulator though.
>>2815070
I have a wierd anime VHS tape that displays in 240p or at least pseudo-240p on one of my PVMs, but not the other. On the other it makes the text in the menus look like the even and odd fields got mixed up.
I wonder if it's wear or some wierd sort of copy protection.
>>2815336
Wasn't sure if it could do 240p or not. I've only ever tested PS1 titles in 480i to be honest.
>>2815386
speakers are of decent size and each have their own bass box and vent.
Why is the famicom/nes such a pain in the asshole?
>>2815430
AV Famicom or bust
>>2815336
reminds me of a panzer bandit shot i took last year
>>2815449
Do those NES>FC adapters have compatability issues?
I think I'll probably end up getting a Sharp Twin Famicom
>>2815106
I think it's the only place in the game that is in saturn native resolution. Everything else is badly scaled.
>>2815456
you mean for playing NES games on japan consoles ? AFAIK, there's no problem and you don't need to worry about expansion audio since no NES game support it.
>>2815456
be aware that both Twin Famicom and AV Famicom have audio troubles, different for each but also both fairly easily fixable.
>>2815607
What kind of audio troubles?
>>2815861
Twin has 2 resistors inverted on the final amp, and a non-necessary low pass filter cap.
AV Fami has lower audio level because of a change in components. Causes expansion audio to be too loud
Note that red/white Famicom revisions also have audio variations, fortunately all it takes is a resistor change.
>>2814779
I should probably pick up a flashcart or two. Slow down is always bleh.What are people's opinion of the bootleg Everdrive MD's? $30 is a much nicer price than $80/140 for the legit versions. Alternatively, is the Mega ED actually worth the extra $60 if I go that direction?
https://youtu.be/Zkoenukeeu4
Might be a few minutes before 1080p60 is selectable.
Also https://my.mixtape.moe/tgtpmq.mp4 just because.
>>2814967
pomf.cat is good for up to 50MB, and mixtape.moe will do up to 100MB.
>>2816203
saw this on krikzz' twitter earlier, if it helps with your question.
also, he's doing a black friday sale. I don't know how much things will be discounted, but that'll probably be the best time to buy.
>>2816206
>pic
>>2816203
I have MegaED v1, and while instant loading is a great comfort, I'm not sure it's worth the premium. MegaED does have a (very) slightly better compatibility and performance with homebrew, especialy with gasega68k stuff.
What I'm sure however, is that SD2SNES certainly isn't worth the price over SuperED.
Picked up the BVM-D24E1WU today works great, have to wait until the weekend to set it up, it is currently sitting on the floor in the middle of my room.
>>2816365
Dang, how much?
I heard they have geometry issues. Are the 24/32s flat screen?
>>2816371
$850 wasnt cheap. Yeah its a flatscreen. As far as geometry issues the set seems alright to me. On cheaper consumer flatscreens they may be more noticeable due to lack of adjustability.
The 32" has more issues than the 24" more so because of its size id assume. The 32" tends to have discoloration issues in the corners while the 24" doesnt.
sorry in advance for this not being directly CRT related, but I figure someone here would know best. I found someone selling an RGB-modded SNES and in the description it says, "the reset button ... has been disabled to maximize compatibility with Super Famicom cartridges". I hadn't heard of this before and haven't found anything online yet. Have any of you?
>>2816396
First I'm hearing of it too.
If you want a modded snes I'd go with n0mad_88 on ebay. He does good work
>>2816396
Why specifically are you looking for a modded Snes vs. a standard one if I may ask?
>>2813336
PALfag here. I don't remember seeing scanlines when I played NES and stuff on my CRTs. Did PAL also have scanlines?
>>2816423
nigga what
>>2816427
I don't know, of course it had lines, but definitely not as thick as people usually post here. Was there a big difference between NTSC and PAL scanlines?
>>2816417
Wasn't necessarily looking for one - just happened to come across it and found that line interesting.
Welcome to the D24 club btw
>>2816432
It's not really a regional thing, more a manufacturer's.
>>2816436
hmm I see.
>>2816435
Ahh gotcha!! Thanks cant wait to hook up the consoles to it. Just need to buy RCA to BNC adapters
>>2816445
You'll want 75Ω terminators as well, if you don't have them already. I know I was thrown off by the brightness before I figured that out.
>>2816443
Yup, don't really know what to tell you other than to shop around.
>>2816445
Oh i have a bag of about 50 of them but im daisy chaining monitors together so id only need them on the last monitor
>>2816478
Do retro fans tend to prefer thick scanlines or thin? I know to some no-scanlines is a blasphemy.
>>2814578
holy shit its beautiful.
I really wish I knew if it was the extra 200 lines over my 14L5s, or the fact that its actual RGB and I only get to use NES component (via wii) tat just makes me genuinely surprised and impressed a game can look so good
>>2816391
Ouch, five hundred more than my d20. I hope you love it! The 1000 tvl was always a big buying point for me, but it wasn't within my price range.was it from eBay? I asked the seller for their lowest price, they said 850
>>2816524
I couldn't believe the clarity. It's surreal. I don't think I've ever been so satisfied with a purchase before this d20f1u. Followed by the nesrgb. Great product.
>>2816507
It's really personal preference. Since you grew up with thinner ones I would suggest that's what you would like more, but models like the Sony BVM20F1U (lol clipboard) have thinker lines, which other people prefer. It all boils down to personal preference. Personally, I think OP's picture is a little much. That's just me though.
>>2816587
Thanks for the input anon.
>>2816590
Good luck
>>2816571
Yeah it was a dent in the savings thats for sure but its got 21k hours so im happy.it was buy it now $1000 messaged the guy a bunch and eventually settled on picking it up and $850.
Was slightly tempted to buy this but it was such in shit shape.
Looked cute though.
>>2816571
I wanted the widescreen and a larger screen than the d20 could provide in 16:9 so i went with this. I have a BVM-1911 on the way for my 480p 4:3 needs
>>2816605
Please be in London.jk, but I'd play vidja with you if you were in western ny
>>2816605
why not just use the D24 for 4:3 games as well? Don't like the black bars?
>>2816610
I was wondering that myself, the D24's 4:3 is the same size as the D20, which is the same size as the 1911
>>2816610
The extra inch of diagonal space on a 19" display is nice plus it was only $200 for the 1911
but i dont have a problem with the black bars
>>2816603
Oh, true. I even made that point in a different thread while quoting that exact picture.
Brb commiting suicide.
>>2816609
Hahanot far but not close either one state south of NY
>>2816615
The d20 is a 19" diagonal
the d24 is a 17 1/8" diagonal in 4:3
>>2816671
Yeah the 32" has a slightly larger or same size 4:3 as the 20" i was planning on buying a d32 first but the color issues in the corners threw me to the 24" instead.haha sure thing nohomo
>>2813792
holy shit your pics are godly
What are my options for hooking up a Nintendo 64 to an old pc monitor?
>>2816935
Line doubler.
Slightly not retro, but very CRT related...
I bought myself a few of those cheapo PS component cables from ebay, because they have a fully populated plug to build better cables with. I built and RGB cable for PS1, and I'd been using a second set as it came to connect my PS3 to my PVM. Today I finally got around to stripping the plug down and rebuilding an RGB cable with fully-shielded cables.
My fucking Christ the difference is huge. Immediately way sharper, and much more vibrant and colourful. I'm a PALfag, so some games get weird in RGB, but setting the system to use the multiAV to output to SCART (YPbPr not RGB) does the trick.
Another big up for screened or shielded cables here.
(On a side note, anyone know how to fix the RGB colour issue?)
>>2817195
>the RGB colour issue?
The what
>>2814498
tried to capture and use the right resize algo.
It's less apparent than with S-Video but it's definitively there.
>>2814498
>>2817240
I heard that the PSone has a better RGB signal, could someone confirm this with pics?
>>2817230
Setting the video output to scart (rgb) looks fine in the menu but gives a purple screen in TTT2. Plugging the green plug into the blue port gives a blue screen, into the red port things stay purple. No combination of int/ext sync and rgb/component buttons works in correct colours.
Setting the video to scart (YPbPr) works perfectly in both system menu and in game. I figured it might have been a pal system and an NTSC download?
>>2817270
There's not a component/rgb setting in the menu is there? My pvm-20l2 has one of those, everything has a pink/purple hue if it's set to component
>Parents threw away old 40inch CRT TV we kept in the spare room which had all the old consoles attached and bought a new HDTV instead
>>2817282
They waited until 2015 to get an HDTV?
>>2817282
i love your parents. god bless them. they are innovators
>>2817282
Unless it was a presentation monitor, it probably sucked ass.
>>2817275
PVM doesn't have a menu, just a button. And like I said, the system menu is normal in rgb, then the game goes purple and no combination of the rgb/component and int/ext sync buttons produces correct colour.
>>2817331
What model?
>>2817335
9045qm, why?
>>2817338
I was wondering what PVM didn't have a menu button
>>2817341
That one and all the other 8"/9" sets :) And the earlier models that don't take component and don't have an OSD too.
>>2814848
>/crt/ culture has started to make retrofags think that scanlines are arbitrarily a good thing
They're only good in video games because most graphics were designed with them in mind.
What causes this slight ghosting? It's only really visible from way up close and in a white on black environment, but is it something that's easily fixable?
Soon
Hey guys, new here and I don't want to offend but....
Why are you posting snapshots of CRTs? What's the big deal about having progressive lines across the screen?
Is this really just some cool-factor of having an old monitor and feeling oldschool?
I'm in my 30's and I guess I don't understand this. Just wanting clarification
>>2817721
Why not?
>>2817721
>Is this really just some cool-factor of having an old monitor and feeling oldschool?
It's less about feeling good about yourself and more about getting your games to look the way you want them to look.
>>2817721
>I'm in my 30s and I don't understand that people have different preferences
I'm so sorry. It goes beyond this, there actually are technical reasons to play old games on a CRT and not an HD LCD, but I won't even get into it. You have my pity.
Can I hook anything with component cables up to a VGA computer monitor using a scaler like this, or do I need something else?
>>2817754
Well that's why I asked, for the education. But you're clearly a fucking autistic who cares more about putting people down than explaining their fascination for outdated TVs.
You're a faggot and your CRT room is why you DONT GET LAID!!!!
>>2817712
The red/blue flecks, or the white smear? The smear is just a symptom of old phosphors.
>>2817743
I don't know man.... You twats seem like a bunch of 20-something's wishing you lived in the 90's like the rest of us.
These CRT threads are getting more pathetic as time goes on hahaha
>>2817798
What smear are you talking about? Sorry, my eyes are used to composite so it's hard to tell for me. I was talking about the red blue specs
>>2817721
Old games have a native resolution of 240p. CRTs can display it natively, without scaling the image (think of expanding a 320x240 jpg to 1080p. It's ugly). In addition, CRTs have no display lag. Old games are pretty difficult, so the display lag helps.
>>2817754
Not him, but I have yet to see a single genuine reason to play on a CRT vs an HD tv. The things usually mentioned are input lag and blur, but neither of those is a real issue on a decent screen these days.
The other is that games look "better" on a CRT with low resolution and scanlines, but that's completely subjective. Some of us have a strong preference against scanlines and don't agree at all that they make classic games look better.
I played these games on CRTs for years and now that I've moved onto modern screens I think they're better in most ways and overall far superior.
>>2817794
By the way, talking like a bratty 13 year old who can barely go an entire sentence without swearing just makes you look stupid and your argument badly thought out and not worth considering. Swear if you want, this is 4chan afterall but you sound like an idiot.
>>2817813
>(think of expanding a 320x240 jpg to 1080p. It's ugly)
Opinion. I would FAR rather see it upscaled on a nice HD screen than on an actual CRT.
Display lag on decent gaming screens these days is low enough it's barely perceptible to humans, if at all. I play many classic and fast paced games on mine and have never ever had trouble from input lag.
>>2817794
>Well that's why I asked, for the education
Check the pastebin. Or google it. The information is not hard to come by.
>>2817815
Upscaling is objectively inaccurate. You cannot upscale 240p to 1080p without artifacts
1080 / 240 = 4.5
As for display lag, gaming monitors have very little lag when it comes to their native resolution. If the monitor needs to scale the image, things get a lot worse. The "I don't notice a difference, so you shouldn't care about it" argument is extremely subjective.
>>2817829
You don't have to full screen it if you want maximum accuracy. Most HD screens aren't the same aspect ratio.
It doesn't change the fact that whether someone thinks a game looks better on a CRT or upscaled on an HD screen is completely subjective.
> The "I don't notice a difference, so you shouldn't care about it" argument is extremely subjective.
As is everything. If I can 1cc Gradius and mash people into the ground in King of Fighters with no noticeable lag or anything different than when I used to play on CRT then in my books that's plenty good enough.
If there is some lag that I can't perceive, I don't care because it's outweighed by the game looking magnitudes better on an HD screen than it ever did in CRT.
Not saying you have to agree or switch what kind of screen you like to game on, but the "technical reasons" you are laying out are really a non-issue these days.
>>2817814
>come in with nice level-headed question
>curse when replies are just faggot replies
Welcome to 4chan, faggot
>>2817847
>You don't have to full screen it if you want maximum accuracy.
That's possible. Is there an external scaler that will take 240p RGB and display a cropped 960p image in the middle of the 1080p screen? Maybe xrgb.
>the game looking magnitudes better on an HD screen
You keep saying that it looks better on an HD screen. What are you using for comparison? If you're comparing a cheap old CRT with RF video to emulators, that would explain it.
>the "technical reasons" you are laying out are really a non-issue these days.
Only because you are dismissing them as subjective.
>get pvm last week
>it's a little beat up (not sure if they sent me the wrong one or it was damaged in shipping)
>start noticing color looks a little weird in the bottom right corner
>turn it on today
>see this
Is it time to try and get a refund on a 70lb item?
>>2817892
Degauss the fuck out of it. Probably magnetic interference. Make sure you don't have anything magnetic near it.
>>2817881
These days I emulate from PC directly to my screen, I don't need to bother with upscalers.
My comparison is every single CRT I've ever seen. The picture quality is simply nowhere near as good as a high definition screen. To me there's no question. Can you show me a CRT that can display an image in this high definition and clarity? >>2799556
I dismiss them as subjective because they are subjective. CRT fans say things like LCD screens have input lag and motion blur, yet when I play on my screen which was designed for gaming and experience neither of those things even a little then it's clearly subjective.
Again, I'm not saying you have to use a modern screen if you don't want to. But saying they're not good for classic gaming period is simply ridiculous.
>>2817892
That definitively looks like it's from a magnet. Could have been shipped near one, they can fuck up CRTs pretty easy. Degauss and hope.
>>2817905
Yep
>>2817908
Degaussing it fixed it for about a second then had no effect after that.
>>2817916
Do you have a guide for that? I haven't opened a CRT before
>>2817926
Yeah I'm sending a message right now. Between this and the missing SDI 4:2:2 input adaptor I feel like I'm about due for one.
I sell on ebay too so I try not to be a dick and work with sellers but this is getting a bit ridiculous, plus it's a large company.
>>2817907
>image in this high definition and clarity?
In that image you can actually see the scaling issues I was talking about. The row of pixels on the top of her hair is 4 LCD pixels tall, and the row below that is 5 LCD pixels tall. That pattern repeats through the whole image.
That's the 1080 / 240 = 4.5
>>2817920
>Do you have a guide for that?
No but you could search one and I check if it's correct and give you some tips.
>I haven't opened a CRT before
First google "CRT safety".
>>2817928
>Could be worse damage though especially given this
I consider powering something up that's either damaged or was not used for a long time more worse than that. I always open any old stuff I get to be sure.
>>2817934
>missing SDI 4:2:2 input adaptor
>it's a large company.
Hmm, looks like they messed something up. I see a good chance for a refund
>>2817941
Yeah I know CRTs can be dangerous at least. I'll probably get my brother to help me as he's taken a few CRTs apart before and knows more about electronics than I do.
>Hmm, looks like they messed something up. I see a good chance for a refund
Yeah, I've been having a back and forth with them about the missing 4:2:2 card. They're pretty slow to respond but they also have 30k+ feedback at 99.8% on ebay so.
It's highly unlikely they'll be dicks about it considering that $220 is pocket change for them and I'm not even asking for a full refund. But I do have a pretty good case seeing as they sent me a totally different monitor (though the same model) as the one pictured and described.
>>2817940
That's because I was playing it maxed to my screen size. If I chose to and cared I could scale it down a notch so there's no distortion, but I don't. My point remains though that in my opinion this looks far better than any CRT can come close to.
If you like the look of games on CRT then enjoy, but don't speak for me because we don't all have the same tastes.
Is this a thing?
>>2817958
Ever thought of trolling less? When your posts are getting deleted a lot you should take it as a sign.
>>2817954
It's got the model number on there. Look up the specs
>>2817968
Wasn't a shitpost
>>2817969
Mostly just interested if it's "the best" CRT for old computer games. It's easy with PVMs for old consoles, but I don't know a thing about 60hz monitors.
Is this one that people would be really happy to pick up? Or is there something better that they'd wait for?
>>2817907
Hook up an actual system to your hdtv, don't emulate.
Come back after you do thatso you can apologize.
>>2817993
It's not. Pretty low end or just very old.
>>2817993
>Is this one that people would be really happy to pick up?
Well, I would be interested because it's curved and the box gives me the impression that it hasn't been used a lot.
>>2817998
I'm fully aware that to hook SD systems to HD screens requires upscalers. Moving to emulation so I could switch to an HD screen without that was one of the reasons I did it in the first place. I just like the games, I have no interest in keeping old hardware around at this point.
Does the Genesis "high definition graphics" model 1 need to be modded before it supports RGB out via SCART? I'm trying to figure out if this cable is DOA or not
At best I got it to display only red but it was either a black screen or garbled otherwise.
>>2818048
All models of Genesis support RGB straight out of the box(I think one of the Model 3's may need modding, but I think I'm wrong on that).
Are you sure the cable is seated in the socket correctly? I've noticed the connection on mine can be a bit flaky.
Black/Garbled screen sort of makes me think it's trying to use the unbuffered csync, which isn't wired up correctly.
>>2818062
It was seated a bit loose but trying on a backup genesis I couldn't really jam it in further or anything.
I tried gently adjusting it a few times and the red only was the best I could get.
Can I fix it easily on my own or should I send it back.
It's just a generic $9 one so it's not a huge loss or anything
>>2817907
How much did you pay for your 75hz gaming screen anon?
>>2818073
I don't remember exactly, it was a few hundred dollars. Price of things like this isn't really an issue at this point in my life so I didn't honestly pay a ton of attention. Just researched till I found one I wanted and put it on my card.
>>2818102
That's nice. People give away CRTs for free.
So my PVM-14L4 is lacking feet and I'd like to give it some. Any ideas?
Ideas on how to raise it about 5-10 cm off the table in general also accepted (this would be nice to do even if it had feet, as the feet alone doesn't give it all that much.)
>>2818072
If you have some way to check continuity (multi meter or something) check and make sure everything is hooked up correctly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QDv4jMYWmc
*cough* check your mail kya *cough*
hey /crt/ I know this isnt really the place to say this kinda thing but this is like the only thread on this board I've felt I had fun going to since god knows how long.
I'm gonna try and get out of this toxic relationship tonight or soon and its not gonna be pretty. Just wish me luck when your tv/monitor degausses.
by toxic relationship i mean another person not this board kthnx
I've been wondering about this, so I'll just put it here: is it possible to mod equipment that can't send RGB further down the chain, a la PVMs, to do that? With terminating at the very end of the chain and all that.
It'd be cool to incorporate more stuff into my RGBs chain.
>>2818220
Probably a BNC RGB(S)HV signal splitter/repeater. Best candidate I can think of for a device that would do that is an Extron interface.
