http://venturebeat.com/2016/07/11/pokemon-gos-revenues-are-unprecedented-and-show-nintendos-brand-power/
Sun and Moon will probably be the last main Pokemon games not released for mobile devices.
There is this one interview, which I can't find right know, where the impact of the lazy mobile gamer on the difficulty of Pokemon games is described.
We are all doomed.
I don't have an angry enough, sad enough, suicidal enough, or homicidal enough reaction image to respond to this post with.
Let's just say I hope this vile piece of shit dies in fear, pain, misery and regret for what he's done.
>>27176286
Oh my god, I hope they don't make the rest of the pokemon games on mobile devices. I swear to fucking Christ that I would quit pokemon because it would probably attract more normies to the pokemon scene.
I'll just stop playing. If they fuck over the players that have been with them since the originals, and never gave it up, my respect for them will be dead. If they go full mobile, I actually hope they fail, and they will, because these trends move faster than anything.
Requesting the NDS replaced with a Mobile displaying Pokemon GO
>>27176476
>implying the 3ds isn't a mobile device
>>27176286
You don't spread shits, now, okay.
>>27176536
You know what OP meant you Autist
>>27176412
Look at that fucking face. He is like "i told you guys, Smartphone Pokemon is the future!".
>>27176286
>Sun and Moon will probably be the last main Pokemon games not released for mobile devices.
Fuck i hope. I can't stand playing on a toy looking machine anymore. I'm all for Pokemon going Mobile
>>27176286
Its ok all consoles will be replaced by mobile games.
>>27176476
>>27176480
This. If Pokemon goes mobile I'm done. I'll just get an action replay for GBA and DS for event legends and stick with Gen III-Gen V, forsaking the rest.
Of course I'll play Gen I & II on cart for Pokemon Stadium, but my living dex and general Pokemon collection(s) will be on my Gen III, IV, and V games. Fuck Gen VI.
My living dex for Gen III will probably be on Emerald since the move tutor and Battle Frontier are in that game, perhaps I'll have the Kanto dex in a completed FRLG game.
Gen IV's living dex will be in HGSS or Platinum. Probably Platinum because the PC is much more efficient. Don't know what the fuck they fucked up about the PC functions in HGSS and beyond.But IIRC, doesn't Platinum and HGSS have different Move Tutors than each other? If so, might have to split the dex up between the two I guess.
Gen V's living dex will just be in BW2 obviously. MAYBE I'll have the Unova dex in a beaten BW1 game to conserve space in the BW2 cart like the Kanto dex in FRLG.Damn, this is honestly sounding pretty fucking comfy right now. Anyone with me?
>falling for this
you are all stupid and paranoid and should be slapped with a hammer
>>27176476
can we please have this word filtered?
>>27176666
DELETE THIS
>>27176683
Sounds like you've already accepted the worst possible outcome of this Pokemon GO tragedy
>>27176702
Paranoid about what? Pokemon Normie Version is the biggest thing to come out of Pokemon since RBY. Pokemon is going mobile because GF now knows what a cash cow it is.
I mean fuck, GO isn't even a fucking game, they probably whipped that garbage up in less than a year, using Google Earth and/or Google maps to put Pokemon on street corners and stuff. Fuck this you guys, serious.
>>27176748
You paranoid idiots don't get how business works. XY sold nearly 15million copes, ORAS close to 10million. That's hundreds of millions of dollars. You actually think Nintendo would throw that away?
Besides Gamefreak have NOTHING to do with Go.
>>27176587
>SALE OF THE WEEK: Get a Masterball for just 2.99 $
>Premium Trainer will get increased encounter and catch rates for a monthly fee of 9.99 $
>You are tired of hunting for Shiny Pokemon? Just make your existing Pokemon Shiny for 3.99 $
>You want more then one of each Legendary? Buy an extra encounter for 4.99 $
>You used up all your daily "Hearts" for trading and battling other people? Just refill them for 1.99 $
This will be so much fun to play after paying full prize to get the game.
>>27176726
I'll have a way out I guess. I mean, I gave up on DBZ games long ago for example. Budokai 3 was the last good game so that's my go-to DBZ game to play. Infinite World is alright, but they got rid of Burst Mode and cinematic attacks, so having Pikkon and some GT bad guys isn't worth losing those two features for literally the same game.
So, like DBZand Super Smash, Pokemon will finally reach its cap and be over forever, lost to corporate meddling and pandering to a cancerous fanbase. Gen V and previous will be the only playable games left.
>>27176786
I hope you're right, but this >>27176683 sounds like an alright alternative to suffering if you're wrong.
>>27176286
Fuck it, good mobiles are so fucking expensive.
>>27176587
get out
>>27176820
Hey buddy i'm just being realistic.
>>27176868
Actually >>27176798 is a realistic mobile scenario.
No one in his right mind believes a new Handheld Console will come out in Gen 9th. Not when everyone and their babies has a Tablet or Smartphone. After SM i'm expecting another Pokemon Game for the 3DS then its goodbye Handhelds and hello Mobiles
>>27176899
This. What the fuck are >>27176868 (You) on right now, lad?
>>27176904
SERIOUSLY STOP
>WAKE ME UP
WAKE ME UP
>WAKE ME UP
WAKE ME UP
>CAN'T WAKE UP
CAN'T WAKE UP
>CAN'T WAKE UP
CAN'T WAKE UP
I think there's a very slight chance they move Pokémon over to the NX before going fully onto mobile
>>27176904
What is MH
>>27176953
>move Pokémon over to the NX
PLEASE MERCIFUL CHRIST, PLEASE
>>27176982
That was confirm a hypothesis it doesn't exist
>>27176953
>>27176984
Nah don't think so. The NX as rumors say will probably be an hybrid between Home Console and Handheld Console BUT Pokemon was created for Handhelds. Because Handhelds are way cheaper than Hom Consoles and the NX will probably cost 300$. Nobody will buy that shit for only Pokemon. Nintendo would lose money if they move Pokemon to the NX. Mobile its the right place
>>27176953
>>27176984
Moving Pokemon, literally Pocket Monsters, to a video game console, where you can't have them in your pocket anymore would be a damaging move to the sales.
>>27176904
Fuck normalfags, fuck Apple, fuck android, fuck mobile. It's LITERAL GARBAGE, and the sheep eat it up
>>27177070
And that's why they won't stop making the main games on handhelds.
>>27176286
There was a Japanese interview that got translated, but here are two separate ones with basically the same info:
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/pokemon-interview
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pokemon-director-explains-why-series-is-becoming-e/1100-6422945/
I apologise for them having to come from such God-awful websites,
>>27176707
quints of truth anon
>>27177070
Good point. I mean its called Pocket Monsters for something
>>27177070
Except that the NX will more than likely have a handheld component, so it's a moot point.
>>27177141
It will cost a lot more than a Handheld Console. Not everyone will be able to buy it like for example a Smartphone or a 3DS. They would lose money
>>27177114
>>27177141
The handheld components of NX is the excuse for Nintendo to not make any handheld consoles anymore. If people ask, they will say "We have NX!". This way they can sneak their games to smartphones.
>>27177175
Oh, yes, sorry, I forgot you have hard facts. Would you please give me a source one the price?
>>27177260
Not necessarily. Nintendo will be making more smartphone apps/games regardless because they now realise it's profitable (which everyone has been telling them for years now).
However, the handheld market is shrinking, if not completely dying, so tying a handheld and home console together increases the install base and still allows them to release a handheld in the era where smartphones and tablets are a massive industry.
It makes plenty of sense. Japanese gamers rarely buy home consoles (at least relative to how many buy handhelds), so giving them both in one package is a great way to reach more consumers with more software and more options all in one go.
If the NX isn't a total disaster, I think it may just rival the 3DS in terms of install base, if not the DS (though the latter is hardly likely, but possible).
"Rather than any actual feedback from players, it's more accepting the realities of modern life," he said. "Kids these days or even people who grew up playing Pokemon--everyone is a lot more busy. There are a lot more things competing for a person's time than there were back then. For example, there are so many free games you can play on your phone now, there's so many entertainment options, so making it a little easier to play is the reason for that."
>>27177421
I would assassinate that guy if I knew I could get away with it.
>>27177488
go play dark souls if you want some "hardcore" bullshit
>>27177488
Just hire an assassin on the deepweb. Problem solved.Let's crowdfund it.
>>27177345
How many games do you think will be released on a Home Console that will focus on the handheld part? It will be a nice gimmick but there won't be any pure Handheld games anymore.
>>27177521
>dark souls
>hardcore
>all lower case
Please kill yourself. You are of no use to anyone alive.
>>27177488
NO, END HIM, YOUR SACRIFICE SHALL NEVER BE FORGOT AMONG /VP/.
>>27177566
see: >>27176683
>>27176286
You must be literally retarded if you think any pokemon game is difficult
>>27176286
>>27176476
>>27176798
They're making enough money to partner with Sprint apparently. All location have lures and pokestop
>>27176286
>Sun and Moon will probably be the last main Pokemon games not released for mobile devices.
[Citation needed]
>>27177592
>It is not difficult so let's make it easier
>>27176286
You can bet your ass the NX is going back to the drawing board to try and integrate some mobile features.
>>27177628
>and charge $1.99 per 10 Pokeballs
>$3.99 for Great balls
>>27177628
No retard, I'm saying future mobile pokemon games will be just as difficult
Also Pokemon go is 100% on the same difficulty as any other pokemon game
>>27177545
How do you know it will focus on the handheld part and won't be the other way around? I'm speaking hypothetically and anecdotally, and you're speaking literally. We don't have almost any facts about the NX, so we can ONLY speak hypothetically at this point.
>>27177677
>It will be 50 times more powerful then WiiU
>It is a handheld
>>27177663
Say that to >>27177421
It's more likely that they'll make the switch to NX, but have a mobile app that you can connect to it. For example, the way Sun and Moon connect to Go.
Go is just a fad that relies on nostalgia to sell. Give it a few weeks, and the hype will die down.
Genwunners don't like gens 2-7 so you can't rely on those mons to make money, but at the same time, since mobile gamers demand instant gratification, finding the same mons over and over again will eventually bore them.
It's not sustainable.
I can't believe people actually think they'll stop making the core games on handheld console.
>>27177834
>implying there will be another handheld Nintendo console
>>27177733
>>27177421
Easier to PLAY doesn't mean game difficulty
Do you not understand context you idiot?
Easier to PLAY is talking about ease of starting the game and availability
Not everyone can go out and get a 3d's or whatever the new iteration is in this scenario, get the game, drag it around with then playing it at any 15 minute break they get in their lives and make it in the game substantially
However with an app that is compatible with a system they already have to carry around with then, and they would have been using in those 15 minute breaks makes ease of access significantly better
They said NOTHING about ease of gameplay you dolts
>>27177421
DIE SLOWLY IN A FUCKING CAR ACCIDENT YOU ENORMOUS PIECE OF FUCKING CANEROUS SHIT.
>>27177978
>>27178045
Here we fucking go.
>>27178045
This is a common misconception. The EXP share isn't a bad feature. Literally just turn it off for your playthrough. It's great for grinding a team up for VGC and shit though, or raising some guys up to breed with, etc.
>>27177745
with a fraction of the userbase Pokemon Go is still the new Candy Crush/Clash of Clans, but much less easier to clone by shit bindi slaveshops
>>27176286
>Company that lives of it's exclusive hardware abandons exclusive hardware
lmao, no. They are going to use this shit to sell even more 3DSs before they release the new portable.
>>27177978
>They said NOTHING about ease of gameplay you dolts
>>27178070
>just turn it off for your playthrough
So making the game harder for yourself to get the same difficulty as the older games is the way to go?
>>27178045
Isn't that a thing in the first games?
>>27178111
The EXP share is a useful too yes, but having it on in-game is "easy mode" so yeah, don't turn it on. But I wouldn't want it to not exist. Maybe get it only after you've beaten the E4 or something.
>>27178139
You get it late game and it shares with just one Pokemon exp. It was much better balanced.
>>27178177
My point was to show that they made the games easier even thought the games weren't even difficult. If you have to make the game harder yourself by not using a tool you get to make the game as difficult as older games, it just proves that the games got easier.
>>27178241
I agree with you?
Why don't they just start making PC versions, most people I know use emulators anyway.
>>27178139
Yeah. But it halved the exp gained from the fighting pokemon, and gave the other half to the member holding it. Compared to the fighting member still getting full exp and ALL party members getting half exp from the fight in later gens.
E.g in gen 2/3 you give exp share to a weak mon. Your lead mon defeats an enemy and it gives 1000exp, now that is split to 500 for the mon that killed it and 500 for the exp share holder
In X/Y you turn on exp share (not even a held item now) and defeat a mon. It gives you 1000 exp. Your lead mon that killed it gains 1000exp, and all other mons, despite doing nothing, gain 500exp EACH.
Makes training pathetically easy.
>>27178306
>why doesn't PS3 just make Wii games!
>>27178358
they would probably make a lot more money that way.6
>>27178345
>Makes training pathetically easy.
Training was always pathetically easy. Even the old way boiled down to getting an over leveled Pokemon to fight all the battles for your lower leveled Pokemon but took way longer. I never even use EXP Share but it's not bad to have in the games to make it less tedious.
>>27177116
it's quads you retarded
>>27176286
We are gonna get Mobile Pocket Monsters and use our contact list to get randomnized mons.
>>27178306
They should totally releasea a Stadium game for PC. That way people who don't buy failed home consoles will give Pokeman a try.
Imagine all of the online modes and hats if they partner up with Gabe Newell.
>>27177715
>unsubstantiated rumour
>ignoring patents and other unsubstantiated but possible rumours as possibilities
>ignoring the part where I and many others have speculated that it would have a handheld component and not be solely a handheld
Anon, I think you are fucktarded.
>>27178460
>and hats
>>27178045
To be fair, the Exp. All in Gen 1 worked for all Pokemon. It just functioned differently (half the exp. went to the active Pokemon, then the other half was divided by the amount of party members and distributed evenly between each of them, including the active Pokemon).
>>27178177
Except the Gen 6 games are the easiest games yet regardless of if you have the Exp. Share turned on or not. Besides, the "don't turn it on" thing is stupid. You're literally told in ORAS that you have to turn it on, so I didn't... only to find that it's turned on by default. Misleading much?
Plus, in older generations, it took longer to get the Exp. Share, especially in Generation 1. In ORAS and even XY, you're given it so early in the game that you end up having it for the majority of the game. Why not add some difficulty at the start instead of holding your hand for the entire bloody game?
Frankly, I wouldn't have a problem Pokemon games all being on mobile, but only after they figure out how make phones not be overheating pieces of shit.
Turn based games play just fine on phones and Pokemon is casual as fuck despite what neckbeards think.
>>27178045
This item is a perfect example that /vp/ doesn't want the games to be less tedious if it effects the "difficulty".
The Gen 6 EXP share is a fucking god-send and makes grinding not as much of a chore. I wouldn't trade it for the world and if GameFreak brought back the old EXP share I'd be fucking pissed.
But everyone hates it because "it makes the game easy", just like how Sun and Moon now show Pokemon's weaknesses when you've fought them before is "making the game easy."
I'd much rather have items that make the games smoother to run though than have the games be more "difficult".
Difficult meaning tedious in that regard.
>>27178575
Yeah, if they could manage good battery life, I wouldn't really care.
However, I just don't think it'd be sucessful, Pokémon GO is succeeding because it's a free and simple game featuring Gen 1 Pokémon, not just because it's on phones.
>>27178523
>Except the Gen 6 games are the easiest games yet
Yeah I know. So?
>>27178576
If only I could satisfy both competitive training and storyfags somehow, like making the EXP share given to you at the end of the game or near the end.
That'd be way too hard though.
>>27178607
The point being that the games are "easy mode" regardless of whether the Exp. Share is turned on or not, so saying "don't turn it on [so that it isn't easy mode]" is a moot point. Sure, it makes it easier, but only by a bit. They're already so easy that it doesn't matter.
>>27178070
>>27178576
Let us compare the situation with a hypothetical survival game. In this game you need to make fire to survive the cold. In an older version of that game you made the fire with wood sticks. But in this newest Adaption they gave you a bunch of matches and told you to use them to make the fire. Of course you can still use the sticks but where is the fun if you have matches in your backpack? You can as well cheat and make the animals kill and cook themselves too. Why make it more tedious?
>>27178620
Or just having a level curve suited for the EXP share and Gen 5's EXP spread mechanics.
I really don't want that thing to be late-game, it's the sole reason why I hate playing Red and Soul Silver because getting a balanced team in a pain the ass in those games because trying to balance yourself without wasting ten minutes grinding ends up making me underleveled because the level curve in those games are fucking obnoxious.
Like if I had Gen 6's EXP Share I'd actually enjoy replaying Soul Silver.
>>27178652
I wasn't trying to make that point. I was only saying having it on is super easy.
My point was that the EXP share isn't a bad thing. The rest of XY's problems are a whole other beast.
>>27178654
That's a shitty analogy.
A better one would be if the sticks they have you only worked half as good and you needed to waste ten fucking minutes trying to start the fire vs sticks that are not only faster but do a better job.
In the wild you need to be fast otherwise you're going to get anything productive done.
The EXP share would be fine if it was just the new EXP system and the game was balanced around it. That's not really what they're doing though.
>>27178576
None of this would be an issue if Pokemon had difficulty settings like almost every other fucking game. They can and should be criticized for missing basic things almost every other games have and people should stop being such huge apologists and telling the players they need to adapt to the product rather than the other way around.
Pokemon is a console seller for Nintendo. Will they really move it to mobile only?
>inb4 Nintendo starts making smartphones
>>27176480
Truth be told, this is probably what I'll do. Going mobile is the deathflag for me. And I'm talking sense here, in the fan's perspective and not the developer's, of course.
>>27178722
What is the point in a survival game if you get fucking matches to make the fire? They can as well give you a gun to kill your food. More productive right?
>>27178771
>>27178780
That's exactly why I get angry at people who blame the EXP Share for a problem it wasn't the culprit for.
The EXP Share was just bad oversight that only further worsened the orginal problem that Pokemon's difficulty in and of itself is the issue.
Black 2 and White 2 were heading in the right direction but then Gen 6 just went "nah, never mind; fuck difficulty modes and level curves, let's make the games as mindless as fucking possible!"
And I don't even care about the difficulty as much as most other people do, but since XY were already fucking bland as a whole I can't even try to excuse it.
>>27176286
I saw that one too, it's the reason they took the Battle Frontier out of OR/AS. Here you go OP: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/2olmtb/interview_with_masuda_on_oras_and_why_there_is_no/
I'm still salty about this.
>>27178780
>implying "difficulty" would be anything more than higher levels for enemy teams
>implying extra grinding is a challenge
>implying people wouldn't just be bitching about "artificial difficulty" because nothing makes pokemon fans happy
>>27178602
Casuals aren't as closed-minded to new generation Pokemon as autists around here would like them to be. Most are at worst indifferent with a nostalgia boner for the gen 1 designs. Given how almost every damn person has a phone you'd probably gain way more sales than you'd lose. The real question is if those extra sales be worth all the work to get existing things like Pokemon Bank to be compatible with smartphones and whatnot.
That or they could just wipe the slate like they did with gen 3. You people are addicted and will buy and play it anyway.
>>27178654
Except
>it's a fucking child's game you cunt
Can't we be thankful that it even has depth like the iv/ev system, shinies, and other autistic shit that keeps us ADULTS still playing our favorite CHILDREN games?
>>27178858
>Muh Slippery Slope
Fuck off.
The Gun would be overkill but the matches are fine.
I'm not asking to one shot everything but I am asking not to waste ten minutes leveling up Pokemon for two hours because the next trainer is five fucking levels higher than me.
You can still have difficulty and make the game not take a thousand years.
>>27178870
People will always find something to bitch about yes, but using that as an excuse to never change anything is a bullshit argument.
And level curving/encounter design is core to an RPG's difficulty. You being bad at RPGs and boiling it down to "hurr extra grinding" doesn't change that fact.
>>27178913
>it's a children's game so it's fine
You know we were children once too you know.
You know most people who played Red when it came out were possibly the same age as the kids that would play XY now right?
>>27178922
I love this imaginary world you've conjured where people ever had to grind to be able to beat Pokemon games.
If you've ever had to grind to beat any Pokemon game, you're just shit at games.
>>27177599
>Monster Hunters
>>27178045
Let me lay something down for you so that you can understand. With or without the exp share, the amount of difficulty you have with the game DOES NOT CHANGE. Imagine you're training for a gym, right? And you want all of your Pokemon to be level 20 before fighting said gym. Well, you're shit outta luck, because that's a 1 hour grind. With the exp share, you can now cut that down to 20 minutes at MOST. Without the exp share, you're not strategizing like a mastermind. You're not "proving" your worth in any way. You are literally just WASTING YOUR OWN TIME. I agree that Pokemon games should be harder. but that should be done by making npc teams more dynamic, and changing the way AI responds to situations AMONG OTHER THINGS. For the love of everyone on /vp/, stop making it seem like the exp share is the problem, because it's not. It's just an easy way to pin the blame on a minor mechanic, because you're too much of an autist to figure out what the real issue is.
There's your (you)
>>27178922
>needs to grind to beat NPC that is 5 level above him
OK you probably needed EXP share. I never thought there would be adults like you that would have difficulties beating the game. Hope they make it even easier next time so you are 5 lvl above the NPC when you battle them. It will be so much fun to beat the game!
>>27178950
Do you hate running shoes too?
>>27178971
same for you >>27178973
>>27178689
Okay, but you didn't entirely word it like that.
The whole argument against the Exp. Share is still that it's not bad, but just given out too early and makes the whole game unbalanced.
Besides, ORAS is AT LEAST as problematic as XY.
>>27176286
Sounds pretty based as fuark desu my boi. I don't own a 3DS cause dat be expensive as fucc, and. Know that's true for a lot of fans. But we all own smartphones mayne and dat be where an ocean of poke fans at. Only good can come from this desu.
>>27178968
>you're just shit at games
Nigger, I've been playing Pokemon since generation one, but since HGSS's level curve is so incredibly obnoxious and the lack of any high level trainers to beat fighting the elite four and red is a fucking bitch because they are typically at around 5 level higher than me because again, the level curve in that game is pants-on head retarded.
>>27178973
That was an example you fucking twat.
>I never thought there would be adults like you that would have difficulties beating the game.
It's not difficult, it's a fucking chore.
>Hope they make it even easier next time so you are 5 lvl above the NPC when you battle them.
That's not what I'm arguing you faggot, I don't want to be over leveled, but I don't want to be underleveled either, and I espically don't want to run around battling wild Pokemon for a good ten minutes because the developers are ignorant.
>>27178986
The running shoes to not make the game easier, they make the game less tedious.
>>27179058
Beating the E4 in HGSS without grinding is completely possible and not even that hard. How long you've been playing Pokemon isn't relevant if you're still going to signal that you suck at it.
I'll give you that Red is ridiculously overleveled compared to the rest of the game, but the whole point of the guy is that he's a bonus boss. Criticize that if you must but that was one fucking battle.
>>27176286
>One of the main sellers of Nintendo portable consoles
>Mobile game of the same series comes out and is an astronomical success
>"Okay, I guess we should just stop making any other games for the series!"
Anyone who genuinely thinks this is a possibility is an idiot. If fucking pokemon cards have survived this long, the actual games aren't gonna just die off any time soon.
>>27179058
>I don't want to be over leveled
>I don't want to be underleveled either
>Autist wants to be exactly the same level as the NPC he fights
Why is it so hard for you to understand that the NPC needs to have higher lvl Pokemon then you because the player is supposed to be smarter then the AI. But there are exceptions like you I guess.
>>27178971
>And you want all of your Pokemon to be level 20 before fighting said gym.
Some of us don't stop and grind, senpai. The EXP. Share makes the game easier because it gives you more EXP than you would otherwise earn.
Making the game harder in other ways would be great, don't get me wrong, but if you need to stop and grind for that gym battle you probably need the EXP Share anyways.
>>27179105
Except that is the one and ONLY time I have an issue with the elite four, you wanna know why?
Because there's no fucking Ace Trainers in the Champion Road to there's no proper way me to level up without having to grind in Mt. Silver.
Don't use this shitty "git gud" excuse for GF fucking up the level curve in that game when I can make the exact opposite excuse for XY being to easy because you're just too good at the game.
>>27179116
The A.I shouldn't have to be overleveled to be difficult, it shouldn't have to be fucking braindead.
>>27179058
So you of all people decide the line where tedium doesn't equal wholesome difficulty? I bet you still think original DotA:Allstars is the purest waifu moba? Fuck off
>>27179014
>ORAS is AT LEAST as problematic as XY.
we're in agreement on like, everything lad
>>27179164
Tedium is not difficulty.
Tedium is cheap difficulty if not the cheapest form of it, because the only reason it's hard is because it's time-consuming.
Doing one step that takes five minutes is not harder than doing five steps for two minutes if those steps are actually chalanging and require some thought.
>>27179161
>expecting Sci-Fi AI from a kids game
Just go to Options and make the battle style on Set. You will see the AI is fine, you just cheated.
Goddamn Shiggy looking young in that photo.
>>27179200
Except you're asserting that grinding was the only way to solve the issues you ran into when plenty of other players figured out alternate routes around it- as in, they were actually good at the game. I bet a million bucks you'd stubbornly grind your way through an Etrian Odyssey game too.
>>27179200
So you remember the trick of putting shitmon in lead and swapping for a 75/25 boost to leveling said shitmon? How is that not tedium? You're only buttmad because times are a changing and your sense of accomplishment of leveling a full team slowly on older versions is lessened by the more efficient newer exp share. If you hate it, don't use it. Stop trying to regulate other people's methods of play, cuck.
>>27179200
Why don't we remove level altogether then? Seriously, if you need to grind because you lack skill and think that it is tedious to do so you should stop playing altogether.
>>27177599
Not all locations. I'm at an corporate location and this didn't happen for us.
>>27179119
But therin lies the problem. That was just an example, I agree with you that, with or without the exp share, you don't need to grind. But the issue is that trainer/gym leader teams are way, way too simple. gym leaders will have 2-3 Pokemon, all about the same level (if not less) than your ace. Leveling in almost every rpg is there for 2 major reasons.
1- adding a sense of progression
2- making it so that you can balance a game with a "curve"
The issue with this is that gamedevs feel that all they need to do to make a game difficult is to raise levels, therefore raising stats, but raising stats is an automatic process. The speed at which you do it doesn't make the game harder or easier. If my Pokemon is overleveled, that shouldn't matter. If a casual player goes into a gym fight with a higher level pokemon than the gym leader's, they feel a sense of honor. THEY were the ones that trained their Pokemon, and they're proud they did it. On face value, that's a good thing. Making the players feel good is all you have to do, right? Maybe for a casual player or a kid, fine. But if a veteran player goes to fight the same gym leader and win, they'll just roll their eyes because they know that with or without the exp share, stat distribution and (mostly) automated algorithms had the most to do with it. So it doesn't matter if I use the exp share or not. If I grinded my Pokemon to the point where they're a higher level than a gym leader without the exp share, guess what? I'm still not going to be satisfied, because I know I won because my Pokemon were just stronger. I don't want to win just because my Pokemon were stronger, I want to win because I fought through the AI's strategy in the heat of battle. I want to look back on a moment of a gym battle and think, "Boy if I hadn't have done THAT, I probably would've lost!" But instead I look back at a battle and think, "Ah jeez, even though I trained my Pokemon up, that battle was pretty boring."
>>27176286
They need to rework a new leveling system I think. I love the way it's been all these years but I think if they somehow made it to where any Pokemon could be trained to be as good as a legendary then it would be much more challenging and make bonds stronger as well as give diversity to the tourneys. Like the weakest Pokemon like sunkern could potentially be extremely powerful but would take the most training, effort, time, etc to get there. Like I said I like the way it is now but I would love to be able to really explore the whole "bonds make Pokemon stronger" aspect that the games and show has preached all of these years. Also seeing someone win a tournament with previously shitty Pokemon would be amazing and make my life.
>>27179218
>The A.I is fine
It's really not.
>Just go to SET it will be fine
Litteraly "Just turn the EXP Share off then you won't be overleveled."
>>27179237
The battles were not hard, the gyms were not hard, the grinding was not hard.
Don't blame me for game freaks ignorance. Like I said before; I can use the same fucking excuse for and XY's LACK of difficulty.
>The game's totally hard bro, you just know to much about the series now, if you were a newbie you'd think they were tough as balls.
>>27179257
>You're only buttmad because times are a changing and your sense of accomplishment of leveling a full team slowly on older versions is lessened by the more efficient newer exp share.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>27179281
Again, this "argument" can be applied to XY.
Don't blame the player for something the dev's fucked up on.
>>27179297
(cont) All I'm saying is, there should be two difficulties. one that's more like the current games (XY, ORAS) and one that has more thought out trainer team compositions and movesets, with better AI. (something akin to sinking/star sapphire) I don't want to have to rely on mods to make a game harder, and even nuzlockes on XY are pretty damn easy. Exp and levels aren't the issue.
How does Pokemon Go actually make money? I don't understand it at all. The app has no ads and there's absolutely nothing in the shop worth spending money on.
>>27179323
You really play with SWITCH instead of SET and defend EXP share?
Do you even have fun playing?
>Don't blame the player for something the dev's fucked up on.
Level ARE the single player game experience since the beginning. You can as well say that the Dev's fucked up Pokemon.
>>27179363
>nothing in the shop worth spending money on
People spend money on it anyway, lad.
>>27179363
retards that only play mobile games dump money into them endlessly despite the fact that they only play some of these games for an hour or two
>>27179363
People buy that shit in droves to get 3 hours stronger than the guy who didn't.
>>27178804
No cause like all corporations Nintendo loves making money and the handheld core series makes hundreds of million of dollars in sales.
>>27176286
But isn't GO just a pokemon reskin of an already existing app?
How is that breaking the standard?
>>27179398
>Pokemon
>On most smartphones
>Free
connect the dots
>>27179392
3 hours stronger how? You can't buy pokemon, can't buy candy, can't buy anything that makes your shit stronger in any way.
>>27179372
>play the game the way I PLAY IT and it's not an issue
Fuck you, of the game gives me an option I'll use it if I damn well feel like it.
If the game gives me the option to play that way but then isn't built to work that way either don't give the option or make build the game to work around that.
Either fix the EXP Share or remove it, either fix the SET/SWITCH option or remove it, don't give me a broken option and then blame ME for using that option that it gave me.
>>27179413
Lures so they can camp pokestops and get items and pokemon at the same time and lucky eggs to get double exp the whole way.
>>27179408
It's still not breaking any standards gameplay wise, like the OP article implies.
>>27179413
Lucky eggs, incenses and lure modules beg to differ.
>>27179423
Can you use SWITCH battle style in Multiplayer? If you play with SWITCH in Story mode, you would suck at Multiplayer anyway. So forget about all that and play your easy as fuck Pokemon.
>>27179363
First off, the game didn't cost much to make. All the Pokemon have been drawn and converted to 3D prior to this game and art assets and music are minimal.
Add to this that there are a lot of kids and older people who will gladly spend a few quid to get the full set of Eeveelutions or stomp their local gym. Multiply a couple of quid by many thousands of people and you get profit.
Then there's the companies willing to use the game as advertisement for their stores etc. There's money rolling in for a game that cost almost nothing to make.
>>27179323
>The battles were not hard, the gyms were not hard, the grinding was not hard.
I'm not getting your logic here. So when the game's not overleveled, it's too easy, but when they are overleveled, it's broken because you personally could only come up with grinding as your solution? You're coming up with a bullshit no-win scenario here.
Nobody saying that they shouldn't also make the AI better but the enemy being leveled low enough that you can just click your best attack and win will negate any AI they can come up withg.
They now need to integrate ideas from Go into the main game now. Stuff like the option to go to locations to locate rarer mons and the speed of Go. After playing Go it's painfully clear how slow main titles are in terms of gameplay.
>>27179470
I think that Anon is literally retarded. He even uses SWITCH as battle style. He must be proud of his power.
Nintendo will give up handhelds, it's THEIR market.
>>27179461
Until you give a better excuse than "git gud". Then you can just fuck off.
>>27179470
>So when the game's not overleveled, it's too easy
No, but it's not hard either, it's fine.
>but when they are overleveled, it's broken because you personally could only come up with grinding as your solution?
I can take down trainers that are one, two, maybe even three or four levels over me. Six, seven, and higher is just ridiculous.
>but the enemy being leveled low enough that you can just click your best attack and win will negate any AI they can come up withg.
That's not what I want at all though, I just don't want to be FORCED to grind, which mind you I've only had trouble in one game for.
>>27179505
>HE DOESN'T PLAY LIKE THIS SO HE MUST BE RETARDED
I bet you'd shit on me if I used super-effective moves too you fucking faggot.
Sorry that I'm a human being that wants to play the way I want to, and not what's seen as "correct."
>>27179559
If you get "forced" to grind with SWITCH as battle style you deserve EXP share. Seriously man, how did you get forced? Why couldn't you just switch to type advantage?
Why the fuck are people still complaining about exp share 6 fucking years later? Jesus christ, who gives a fuck? PvP is where the real game is, the single player games were always easy and kind of secondary to the point, which is collecting and connecting with other people.
>>27179638
Shit, this is honestly accurate.
>>27179559
The way Pokemon is currently designed (which probably won't change anytime soon), it's a really fast-paced game, by which I mean members will generally go down after one, two hits. This is different from a lot of other RPGs where a boss might take dozens of hits which allows more varied strategies to come out through the course of a longer fight.
It doesn't matter what AI they come up with, unless it's very, very sophisticated (or its cheating by taking your team into consideration even though you can't see the enemy's team) most of time players are just going to click super effective move and win instantly. This is especially true if you're playing on shift and you can just switch to whatever is coming out.
For example, there's a Dedenne trainer in Clemont's Gym that has a Charge Beam/Rest/Snore strategy...it's actually a really potent strategy if you don't have anything good to hit it back with, except most people will never know that because most people are just going to one or two shot it and move on with the game.
>>27179638
Smartphones will take PvP Pokemon to the next level of awesomeness.
>>27176707
>Wanting to play on an obsolete underpowered handheld when you have smartphones.
>>27179677
we already have pokemon showdown on mobile browsers. Official pokemon on smartphones wouldn't be next level, it would be nintendo catching up with their own product.
>>27179623
I've said before that the reason I had to grind in HGSS was because there were no strong Ace Trainers in the Champion Road for me to get decent EXP, do I was five-seven levels under than I would have been is there WERE trainers there.
And the only Pokemon there were less than six levels under me, so there was no way to get my team to a decent level quickly.
If you didn't have this issue, good, but that's probably because you might have battled every trainer, which I don't typically do that because in every other Pokemon game I don't have to do this, but in HGSS it was different.
I might have also had a different team than yours, but that has nothing to do with how good I am.
>>27179667
I know this, which is why grinding can be even more of a slog, because the grunt itself is not difficult, it is the fact that it takes forever if you're not in the right place or the right time.
I'm not asking for the game to be piss-easy, but I would like to go at my own place and not have huge issues like I did with HGSS.
My original was that the EXP share makes the game run more smoothly for me. But I would like it if the games would be built around people who wanted the use it. That's why it's so bad in XY, because the game wasn't scaled properly for it.
>>27176286
Where is the logic in this? The main series will only disappear if sales decline dramatically. GO is printing money, but that doesnt mean its intelligent for Nintendo to stop making the MAIN series of games.
The main games sell ridiculously well and yet we still reliably get Mystery Dungeon.
Why would they just drop the pokemon RPG series because GO is doing well?
>>27177488
Well, some people are hated enough that it's no longer important if you can get away with it or not.
>>27177599
Strava cooperation when?
