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Defend this
I can't and I won't, but people here will somehow.
is from typ flying
I don't get it.
>>27105263
>reeee why are my flying pokémon flying!
What's the big deal?
>>27105263
I won't defend it but I'll explain it. They're using the same models and animations from X/Y in Sun/Moon. Game Freak have been notoriously poor/lazy programmers ever since Red/Green. This isn't a new thing.
Whats wrong with the picture?
>>27105263
You're the one supposed to defend it, because you wanted 7th gen so desperately. Fucking thank you???
>>27105263
>Flying type flying
whens the trial i'll testify
>>27105318
>zcucks still up and running
how have you not killed yourself yet
>>27105336
>Z
lmoa
>nobody noticing that flying type pokemon that just float look retarded
>>27105285
She is trying to make us think that circles are still in the field by editing the images (bad skills btw).
Oher than that, I can't see anything wrong.
>>27105263
Literally nothing wrong with that Skarmory tbqhwyf
>>27105368
I think I owe you a (You).
>>27105328
>being retarded
They aren't actually flying, they're permanently gliding in place.
>>27105395
Not their fault their oldgen anatomy is utterly fucked up and impossible to animate properly.
I think OP is referring to the character models. Never before has a Pokémon generation reused models from a previous gen.
I was hoping for new models and animations. It's not news that GameFreak is lazy.
All gliding Pokémon are just fine on the ground in Amie.
There is no excuse.
>>27105293
But that isn't flying.
>>27105412
Maybe they're reusing models so they can spend more effort making a shitload of new pokemon.
>>27105412
You realize it would basically be suicide to model 720+ Pokemon including their Megas, Formes and Gender Differences for every generation, on top of 70-120 new bastards, right?
The reason XY and ORAS ran like shit is because the models have ridiculous polycounts, to a point where they'll still look good several generations later on another handheld. They were planning ahead to prevent the aforementioned modelling.
You're right about the animations, they could have at least used the Amie Animations for Gliders since I highly doubt Sky Battles are returning.
>>27105412
>gen 5 is literally shittily animated gen 4 sprites
>>27105412
XY models are the best they could do with the current hardware limitations, there was literally no reason for them to redo them from scratch. Maybe they added some new animations for some mons who had less for no apparent reason (especially XY megas compared to ORAS') but that's it.
>>27105412
They reused the gen 4 sprites in gen 5, they just animated them.
>>27105428
There's no reason a creature able to fly would stay grounded during combat.
6.5
>>27105484
>they reused them except they didn't reuse them
>>27105528
Fifth gen? More like gen 4.5 amirite.
>>27105466
Fucking this
>>27105409
fucking this
just look at Lugia
however some models are straight fucked up like Blastoise or Haxorus
>>27105544
Retard, they're the same sprites but they awkwardly move parts of their body.
>>27105263
>Defend this
It's better than GO.
That's all I got, it looks like shit.
>>27105412
literally the first pokemon i could think of
The models are already up to stuff, I'd rather them commit time to new content than having them remake 721 pokemon models so they move their arms a little differently
maybe that's just me
>>27105395
>breathing fire, shooting electricity, making giant waves of water out of the dry ground?
>all fine
>a flying-type pokemon hovering instead of frantically flapping it's wings?
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>27105528
>Game Freak Defense Force in full damage control
>>27105395
Are you even aware some REAL LIFE animals can only glide right?
>>27105565
So they're not the same sprites.
>>27105548
Gen 5 is Gen 5.
>>27105582
Those first things don't look like shit, though, this does. There are Pokémon who Levitate and look fine, Xatu and Skarmory do not, even if you try to use the "it's using its psychic powers to fly!" excuse.
>>27105608
GSC? Lol more like gen 1.5, right?
>>27105557
Haxorus is the one model that genuinely upsets me, it didn't look like that in any other media. Bow legged fuck
>>27105623
Gen 2 is Gen 2.
Was it really so difficult to change some animations?
stop this meme
>>27105557
>mfw Lugia used to be one of my favorite legendaries (for some reason I liked the hand-wings concept when I was a kid)
>realize it's not really that hot as later gens come out
>mfw the model is so bad I wouldn't even be able to place it on a top 20
>>27105717
Denial is not healthy man.
>>27105528
>>27105548
>>27105598
>>27105623
fuck off memeists
just get off the board
>>27105612
It's called oldgen syndrome, some Pokémon simply weren't designed with a flying stance in mind and that's the result. Problem is a bird able to fly not ever flying would make even less sense.
>>27105608
>>27105578
Refer to this post, dumb ass.
>>27105263
It's not rocket science.
Jesus Christ.
>>27105891
hehehhhe
>>27105891
Is this a TGC meme? I'm not too familiar with meme hobbies.
>>27105263
I can't but it doesn't bother me either.
So get over it.
>>27105788
>some Pokémon simply weren't designed with a flying stance in mind and that's the result.
Well if that's the case, they really need to put them on the ground.
>>27105465
Solution:
1.) Get rid of megas. They were a Gen 6 thing.
2.) Only store about 250 Pokémon on the cartridge. Once you advance far enough in-game, you can download the rest onto an SD card. But this is only optional, as not every Pokemon exists in Alola.
@27106118
You don't even deserve a (You).
>>27105880
They're not the same sprites if one is animated dumbass
Also nice reused back sprites you have there
>>27106118
>>27106118
>>27105602
>glide in place
>>27106002
This.
>>27106269
Never gets old.
>>27106291
Most animals don't tend to fly in place either.
>>27105602
Pokémon like Gliscor and Emolga look fine with their gliding, though, nobody is complaining about either of them.
>>27106042
Yeah it's like, they already have grounded stances for them for Amie so just use those models and have them fly for their attacks.
>>27106356
Then stop complaining altogether, nothing's going to change anyway.
>>27106383
>Then stop complaining altogether
How did you get that from my post?
People are complaining about specific Pokémon like Tropius, Xatu, Salamence, and Skarmory. Nobody's complaining about Emolga or Gliscor so it isn't just that a Pokémon is gliding, it's that these specific Pokémon look like shit while gliding.
>nothing's going to change anyway
That much is true, but it's not like there's anything else to talk about on this board, not until the flood of GO threads stops.
Both this pokémon spend most of theyr fictional life on land. Why the fuck they're represented as floating?
There sefereal pokémon in 6th that was flying and well represented (zubat, pidgeot notmega, and even lation ballon). I think GF are just dumb some time. Couldn't they just make two poses for some pokémon, whit they landed and flying for air battles?
>>27106444
>Couldn't they just make two poses for some pokémon, whit they landed and flying for air battles?
They did, in Amie. They were too lazy to make attack animations for the landed stance though.
>>27106444
They're birds, birds fly.
>>27105395
Almost every single fishlike Pokemon floats in air as if it were swimming, permanently staying in place until it attacks or gets hit. Why not also shit on a vast majority of water types who just swim in mid air while you whine about "impossible gliding"?
>Pokemon that fly fly in battle
no problem here
>tfw Salamence looks better in a 32 year old game
>>27106474
>Why not also shit on a vast majority of water types who just swim in mid air while you whine about "impossible gliding"?
Because they don't look as awful.
I don't know why you don't get this, people don't complain about the logistics of floating, they complain that it looks like shit.
>>27106502
>32 year old game
What faggot this is bait right
>>27105263
Why make these treads they're pointless nothing will change >>27106383 what he said
>>27105263
That's the only way to make ground immunity not appear retarded
>>27106544
One thing I love about summer is all the newfriends I get to make.
>>27106470
Look this bird flying.
And since when dragon is a Bird?
>>27106615
So why isn't Gengar floating?
>>27106673
Dragons are birds with scales, ostriches are dinosaurs with feathers.
>>27106704
It's a shadow.
>>27105263
>mad about le glidin flyen types
>says nothing about the floating fish retardation we must endure since Stadium
What's so terrible about having the fish just put on the ground instead of inventing weird as physics specific to them?
the worst part is that standing animations already exist for amie and pokedex
>>27106615
What about all the Flying-types on the ground like Farfetch'd?
And there's nothing you can do to make the Ground immunity not retarded, when moves like Bone Club exist.
>>27106742
Because it doesn't look as shitty. I'd love if Gyarados coiled up, but it doesn't look retarded for them to float. The birds are literally hanging there on wires.
>>27106615
That would be 10 times more awesome if the Pokémon just started Flying during the foes move animation. Or even better if the does this, plus flying to certain moves, land for others and when "waiting" his comand, land on ground to wait.
Several other type pokémon could use this kind of animation.
>>27106742
>literally wanting every fish mon to flail on the ground looking retarded
What's your problem?
>>27105412
You mean outside gen 2, 3 and 5? Yeah, they never.
>>27106118
>Only store about 250 Pokémon on the cartridge. Once you advance far enough in-game, you can download the rest onto an SD card. But this is only optional, as not every Pokemon exists in Alola.
I don't think you have even a basic idea of how 3d modeling works.
>>27106805
All the battle sprites in Gen 2 are new and not from Gen 1, except the trainer sprites for Blue and Red.
Every time.
>>27106855
>anime vs. games
so?
>>27106742
Because they reamain like they would look underwater. That "floating" is exactly the amout of movement a fish need to do to stay in one place underwater. A bird to remain that way, must be in free fall or gliding (high and moving foward). Or being a baloon.
>>27106527
Salamance has always been an odd ball, he's Bagon's dream achieved, he can finally fly and he's a big tough dragon to boot however his strangely designed anatomy don't really convey to me that he can reliably fly. Although other Pokemon that glide such as Swellow look just at home doing so, even Skarmory is decent.
The only other "gliding" Pokemon I have a real problem with is Xatu. No reason for it to be doing that othersky battles.
>>27106849
Battle sprites aren't the only thing that makes a Pokemon game. Gen 2 doesn't share the battle sprites, but the overworld looks identical to gen 1's.
>>27106797
They don't have to flop around like magikarp. Just have them sit on the ground and do attacks from there. Having them float should only be used when underwater.
>>27106502
>Pokemon that's dreamed about flying since its first evolutionary stage
>on the ground when it finally gains the power of flight
Defend this
>>27106873
I hate myself for saying this but battles are quite obviously meant to look like they're shown in the anime.
fish mon are designed to look like they are swimming
all their art is them like they are swimming
it looks natural despite the weirdness of fish floating in mid air
shit like skarmory and xatu were designed to look best on the ground, its their natural stance
so them getting given these awful flying poses just for some gimmick battle might as well be gamefreak coming in and butchering their designs
i think its a problem beyond the dumb gliding mons
shit like mandibuzz and charizard should be on the ground as well, because thats them at their best, what brain dead moron though it was a good idea to not show a pokemon at its best?
>>27106938
>fish
>sitting on the ground
???
>>27106939
>pokedex entries
why doesn't my chandelure suck out the souls of my opponents and permanently kills them?!?
>>27106855
Stop posting this. "It looks better in your imagination" is not a good argument. Stadium and Colosseum have the same type of abstraction and Skarmory, Salamence, and Xatu are all on the ground, and they look better in those games as a result.
This image is going to become the next "problems with Gen 1/ORAS" bait image isn't it?
>>27106715 (You)
No, dragons are flying reptiles.
>>27106954
A Pokémon able to fly is at its best in the air not on the ground.
>>27105263
>autists upset over the fact a flying pokemon is flying
go away
>>27106987
at its best design wise numbnuts
>>27106968
>fish
>floating in the air
???
>>27107004
Yeah I know what you meant but it still doesn't make sense.
>>27106907
>the overworld looks identical to gen 1's.
Not really, Johto uses pretty much entirely different tiles. Kanto reuses the same tiles in places but that's because it's the same location.
>>27106873
It's not "anime", it's "imagination". A non retarded player would understand that the few centimeters big yellow spider doesn't fucking stay immobile when a whale as big as a first car of a locomotive tries to squash it.
>>27106968
>fish
>floating
>>27106977
That applies to those games too, you know? Yeah they looked better yadda yadda yadda. Being ground or air absolutely doesn't matter for this argument, Pokemon fights are supposed to be fights, not a trade between two immobile statues(unless it's Zen Darmanitan).
>>27106970
Why doesn't Shedinja suck out the player's soul in a battle when he sends them out and you see its backsprite and you get a game over immediately?
>>27107040
>Being ground or air absolutely doesn't matter for this argument
Yes it does, because as I said earlier in the thread, nobody is arguing about the logistics of standing in place and taking turns attacking, they're arguing it looks like dogshit, because it looks like dogshit.
>XY first come
>universally accepted they look ass
>now
>people actually defend it
i want the gamefreak cock suckers to go back from where they came
>>27107021
Just pretend it's swimming and it's ok. A fish sitting on the ground doesn't just not make sense but it's not physically possible to represent since their anatomy doesn't allow that.
>>27107104
If nobody is arguing, why did you reply to that picture? It literally has no connection to either flying or grounded models, it just says that it's retarded to think that the Pokemon aren't supposed to move during the battle.
Why did you make it into a problem in your head and post it?
>>27107108
>>universally accepted they look ass
>>27107248
I replied to that picture because the person who posted it seems to think that's what people are arguing about; his "every time" is likely meant as a "you people forget about this picture every time even though it dispels all your qualms"
Why else would he post it?
>>27107301
>it seems to think that's what people are arguing about
But it is? There are two arguments in this thread.
1)Flying models VS grounded models
2)Flyers stay and fly in place
The picture applies only to the second, it has no correlation to flying VS ground because either way it applies to both and has always applied in all the games of the series.
>>27107272
http://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/search/text/xatu%20model/order/asc/page/1/
Obviously this isn't going to ping every thread about the horrible flying animations, but I looked through all the pages, and before 2016 it only picked up ONE post that defended Xatu's flying animation.
They could make them stay if gravity is in play
>>27107538
>actually expecting GF to craft double the amount of animations just for such a tiny detail
>OP challenges people to defend this
>surprised when people actually defend it
I can't defend them, but just like everyone else who hates them here, I will do nothing about them.
>>27107593
B-but there are only 93 flying types
>>27107521
Are you going to link me a list of pages that says how easy XY is, next?
"Xatu is universally agreed to look like ass" isn't "all models look like ass".
>but anon i or the thread never implied that, i and the thread were only talking about the flying models
I know. Even then there are like 7 gliders out of 93 flying mons. People make it much of a bigger deal than it actually is.
>>27107111
>a fish sitting on the ground is impossible
>a fish floating through the air is fine, just pretend they're in water
I don't understand your logic. They could easily make most of the fish Pokemon look good on the ground. Give me one example that would look bad.
>>27107662
Nobody said all models looked like ass, anon just said "they," which I understood as "these specific flyers"
If I'm wrong I'd like that anon to correct me.
>>27107651
The amount of people who run Gravity, Smack Down or Trick Iron Ball is even lower than that.
>>27105293
They're floating, retard.
>>27107685
Remoraid, Sharpedo, Alomomola, Lucdisc, Dragalge
>>27107685
Are we seriously arguing about fish mons behaving like fishes? Pls give me a break. Also, anything with stomach fins or a flat vertical body.
>>27107704
Gravity is fairly common in current vgc meta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW14HO7C1Dg
minute 0:13
the bottom says: "game footage is not final"
>>27107901
>You
forget about gliding, LOOK AT THIS
>>27107111
>A fish sitting on the ground doesn't just not make sense but it's not physically possible to represent since their anatomy doesn't allow that.
Dude...
What's so hard? Just remove the space between it and the ground
>>27107979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ2sin-c3Kk
minute 0:13
the bottom says: "game footage is not final"
Can I confirm that we are not getting the same flying animations?
>>27108048
Right you posted the best animation in the game what about it?
>>27105502
>You're right about the animations, they could have at least used the Amie Animations for Gliders since I highly doubt Sky Battles are returning.
>>27105263
Yeah! I mean God forbid a Pokemon that flys would... you know... fly! That would just be weird right?
>>27108055
no because everybody slaps this kind of text on every game before release to make it look like bad choices/bugs are going to get fixed
like the """betas""" 2 weeks before release
>>27106846
Please explain why this wouldn't work. I believe you that it doesn't, but why?
>2 gets in a row I can't use Xatu because of his retarded idle animation
God dammit fuck
I dont mind most. But Xatu flying the entire time is unacceptable. It looks awful.
>>27106939
>Xatu is supposed to resemble a totem
>is flying
umm....
>>27107111
Okay so just pretend Skarmory is gliding around instead of being stationary. Literally same logic. Especially since the game is turn base, movement is very restrictive. The pokemon don't even get near each other to attack.
Almost all birds are also shit at hovering as much as most fish are shit at sitting.
>>27105263
>>27105263
STFU FAGGOTS ARGUING about IT WON'T CHANGE SHIT IF U HATE JUST DONT BUY IT PERIOD GAMEFREAK DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK
>>27105496
There is also no reason for them to be gliding in mid-air like a helicopter without flapping their wings
>>27108296
Eh, I mentioned it in my Club Nintendo survey for the games, which they probably don't read but it's the best chance I had at directly voicing my opinion. Everything else is just for personal enjoyment, don't you enjoy arguing, even if it's about trivial shit?
>>27108389
>implying gf care about gaijins
>>27108380
But like an helicopter would imply that the Pokemon stay in place, which is obviously only a thing thanks to the limitations of the series.
>>27108597
Then they shouldn't be floating now should they?
>>27106002
this
>>27108719
"Gliding through the battlefield and flapping to get altitude" doesn't look like "floating" to me.
>>27105263
possibly more new pokemon this time around since they're not wasting time remaking old ones
>>27106715
DINOSAURS HAVE FEATHERS YOU PALEONTOLOGY DEFICIENT MEMESTER
>flying pokemon flying in battle
>don't know fly
DEFEND THIS
>>27108915
>use surf
>find a water mon
>catch it
>it doesn't know surf
???
>>27105412
>GameFreak makes nice models and RE-USES THEM
>HOW HORRIBLE AND LAZY
I call this being efficient, it lets them put that manpower on other parts of the game and make them better, or reduce development time. Both are good for both the company and consumer.
Agree on the animation front, though. GameFreak should take the opportunity to change up animations for some Pokemon- alter the idle animations for some, for others just add a few extra quirky things they do while waiting, maybe change up some attacks, or even just add alternate attack animations, etc.
>>27105263
What's to defend? All it is is just a cosmetic. It doesn't affect gameplay at all.
Reusing models/assets from last gen gives the team more time to focus on new Pokemon, places, and features.
If you want me to defend the flying thing, fine. Get over it you entitled cunt. If that's all you have to complain about in these new games then you're a contrarian try hard faggot trying to be cool on an anonymous image board for a Japanese children's cartoon/game.
>>27105263
Either they're are to lazy to make new animations for battle or sky battles are returning.
