Does religion exist in the pokemon world?
Yes.
Arceus
There's a church in Hearthome City, so yes
Yes
>>27099202
yes. and it would be pretty dumb if it didnt, as there are physical representations of gods, that show up from time to time.
Yeah
As long as humans are stupid, even fictional ones, religion will exist
>>27099254
edge
>>27099276
>atheism
>even remotely edgy
I never got it, but that's probably because my country is almost entirely atheist.
>>27099276
> well memed
There is nothing edgy about realizing the tooth fairy in the sky is one of the world's oldest lies
>>27099221
Why is it called "Foreign Building"? And "Foreign Culture Building" in Japanese, if it seems to depict Mt. Coronet?
>>27099299
Czech?
>>27099299
Atheism isn't edgy, but teen-tier antitheism is
>>27099303
Grats, you've seen past one of hundreds of conceptions of God. Incidentally, it's the childish conception of God that even many theists see past.
>>27099379
>being okay with religions that want to make your life worse
How nihilistic. Now that's what I call edgy.
>>27099313
It does seem set up like a Western church in that building.
>>27099299
Atheism isn't edgy, but "ugh *unzips katana* only stupid primitive people have a need for religion" is.
>>27099367
Danish. I recently found out that there aren't even services in churches every sunday. They schedule them for like every other or third week. I hear they're filled during christmas and possibly easter, but otherwise not.
>>27099379
I don't see the "edginess" in realising that religion often makes people believe and fight for stuff that goes against a good, educated, reasonable society. Like fighting sex ed or evolution. If you just have a personal god, and you ripped out 99% of the pages in the bible, I don't give a fuck. Once you start brain washing kids, it's not "edgy" to speak out against you.
>ITT
>>27099404
Sure, you have the smug atheists who are unbearable - and they might be a higher percentage of atheists than the religious people who smugly think they have it figured out. I don't really know. I just find it silly to consider atheism anywhere fucking near "edgy".
>>27099202
Praise Helix
>>27099254
>>27099303
The fallacious anti-intellectuals have shown up. Back to you the comments you go.
Fedora tippers ruining a Pokemon discussion to cry about their "superior" beliefs
That's why nobody likes you faggots
>>27099303
>there is only one religion ever
K
>>27099457
>anti-theism is anti-intellectual
top kek
>>27099405
>teen just learned what human nature is and wants to blame religion
>>27099429
PRAISE ARCEUS
>>27099399
I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking about theism. And the context here is a hypothetical cartoon religion, how does it want to make my life worse?
>>27099479
>human nature
We don't need to have warnings issued by the mods again.
>>27099418
Ive never met a religious person anywhere near as edgy or obnoxious as any given atheist. The most relgious person i ever met just asked if I found Jesus (because im Jewish) out of concern for my immortal soul, but atheist just make fun of people who belive in God (not Jews though, they alway make sure to tell me how "my people" are far from the worst of them). You are all a bunch of smug dillweeds who adhere to your own doctrine of beliefs just like anybother religion. You constantly try to "convert" people by trying to disprove their own faith, you are extremely tetative of ideas that challege ypur own, and the worst part is the only value you promote is smugness, pride, and a false sense of intellect (the amount of atheist who say they believe 8ve in science, but dont know anything about it, really grinds my gears as a Bio-Major). Atheism is the most obnoxious belief system out there.
>>27099465
>>27099391
All conceptions of a god are equally stupid, I never claimed a specific religion
The basis of claiming a god is to have answers for a the unknown, or more accurately, for the religious leaders to gain a knowledge based superiority over whatever community, this goes from shamanism to the super established religions.
As what we consider unknown has shrunk the necessity for a god has shrunk simultaneously, this is not coincidence, it is 100% causal
>>27099509
>Ive never met a religious person anywhere near as edgy or obnoxious as any given atheist
Try a trip to the middle east
Remember that religious doesnt mean christian necessarily
>>27099509
nice anecdotal bias fallacy broseph
>>27099509
I've always found it interesting how in some countries religion is one of the first things you talk about with strangers. Are your lives really that uninteresting that your defining character trait is what god you do or do not worship?
I live in a secular country and I can count the times I've talked to my friends about religion on my left hand. It's not a thing here and everyone moves on with their day just fine.
>>27099512
>All conceptions of a god are equally stupid
Can you tell me specifically what is stupid about the Christian Contemplative conception of God, namely the concept of God written about by Thomas Merton and Meistersinger Eckhart?
No, you can not, and there are many more conceptions of God that you know little about. What about Allah in the Sufist tradition?
Nice POKEMON thread
>>27099552
Meister Eckhart*
Autocorrect verstehst kein Deutsch.
>>27099537
I live in an extremely Mormon town in the Southwest and the first people to bring up religion are Mormon hating Atheists.
>>27099615
>live in oppressive society
>surprised when people are angry about it
lol ok
>>27099202
Thread derailed.
>>27099623
>help I'm being oppressed
Ever been to the SW?
>>27099635
>implying im american
>>27099202
Pokemon tower in the original game shows that they had burial practices, prayers, belief in spirits (which you yourself encounter), and a concept of sacred spaces.
>>27099631
I know, Anon. I know.
I just wanted to discuss ghost mediums, Arceus, and Alola's deities.
>>27099479
>human nature
It's not "human nature" to condemn the use of condoms in Africa, letting AIDS ravage the shit out of it. It's not "human nature" to argue that alchemy has a place next to chemistry, and "intelligent" design has a place next to evolution. It's bullshit is what it is.
Besides, you can't deny that religion can motivate people to do things they otherwise would not do. Whenever people defend ritually mutilating boy's penises, religion almost always comes up. Think about that shit. It's a disgrace. Yes, people kill and steal and rape without religion, but sometimes their motives can be traced directly to a religion they were indoctrinated into.
>>27099638
Bro, you're the one acting like you know shit about America
>>27099664
I remember being 16. Fuck off to /pol/ or something.
>>27099669
I'm talking about religion, not America.
So anyway, how about those pokemon
>>27099683
>implying /pol/ doesnt use the human nature excuse all the time
Sounds like its where you belong bucko
>>27099509
>your own doctrine of beliefs just like anybother religion
Which belief? The lack of belief in deities? What doctrine is: "I don't accept the notion of gods"? What rules does that set out? What action does it demand? What must you think to not hold a belief in deities?
Is it a hobby to not collect stamps? It's as old as it is solid. Yes, if you weirdly spend your time avoiding stamps, that could be a hobby, but simply not doing it is not a hobby. Don't conflate anti-theism with atheism.
>>27099700
>actually I'm implying this isn't the board for whining about religion you dense motherfucker
>>27099713
>whining
Unless it's Judaism, they're usually too busy bitching about degenerate homosexuals and fedora tipping atheists.
>>27099727
Don't care about Jews or Gentiles unless they're part of the Pokemon universe
>>27099683
I don't get it. What the fuck is so edgy about anything I've said? It's as edgy as a fucking pingpong ball.
Am I also edgy for not accepting astrology? Alchemy? Tarot cards? I dismiss all three, and much more, just as I dismiss a belief in god(s). I don't get why this is even remotely edgy.
I suppose it's because you think I'm rebelling against religious parents. My parents are atheist. My siblings are atheist. My friends and teachers and bosses are probably atheist. Being atheist is as dull as it gets.
>>27099751
Shut
The
Fuck
Up
You are literally proselytizing for your beliefs on the Pokemon board. You are THAT guy, stop being so fucking insecure.
>>27099661
I don't even know how Hawaiian gods work IRL, but I can't imagine the entire world follows the same religion
does kanto/johto believe in arceus? do they worship mew?
>>27099664
You can instantly tell someones a /b/tard when they call circumcision, mutilation.
>>27099773
Hawaiians believe the volcano is an important goddess, all I can tell you without looking it up on wiki
>>27099781
You can instantly tell someone is an indoctrinated American when they don't call circumcision mutilation.
>>27099770
> proselytizing for your beliefs
What the everloving fuck are you talking about? I'm asking a question, and a lack of belief is not a belief.
You people make zero sense.
>>27099781
>slicing meat off a healthy baby's body
>not mutilation
Okay then, friendo. Tell me what the difference is between holding down a 1 week old baby and hacking off the tip of its foreskin, and bursting into my apartment, holding me down with 4 strong men, and hacking off my 25-year-old foreskin. What's the difference?
>>27099770
He doesn't HAVE any beliefs, you shitstain.
>>27099800
>continues proselytizing
Fedorable
>>27099552
Wee their intentions to explain? To guide people, with the result being that the religious figures gain a position of authority when the masses require guidance?
Yes?
Then my argument still holds water
Holy shit you guys just close your browsers and play some Go
>>27099828
You tell me what their intentions were. You must be an expert, having already dismissed their beliefs.
>>27099813
I'll just assume you're trolling. But it's still weird. It really does seem like a lot of people seriously think it's "edgy" to reject a belief in gods, and I don't think I can think of less edgy things. Maybe liking ice cream is more normal.
>>27099828
Were* not wee
>>27099846
Don't need to be an expert in bullshit to be able to identify it
>>27099828
Nope. Merton shunned power and authority to become a monk, living in silence for some time and only reluctantly writing about his religious journey at the behest of his superiors. He has written at length about the dilemma this faces, as it opens him up praise and other traps of the ego.
>>27099854
It's edgy to push your sky fairy narrative on the fucking Pokemon board you fucking autist
>>27099865
And yet here you are, unable to identify it
>>27099868
A person confronts hypocrisy in the only thing he knows, so he shuns in and cherry picks to determine the establishment is what is wrong, not his religion, despite the fact that the religion came from the establishment, not the other way
>>27099887
I'm on a pokemon board, I know pokemon are bull shit
Religion was brought to a pokemon board, I know it's bull shit too
For the same reasons
GARY HAS COME BITCHES
>>27099911
>trips and dubs
SAVE US
>>27099812
But you're wrong
EVERYONE QUIT BITCHING AND START GARYING THE FUCK OUT OF THIS THREAD
GARY IS ALWAYS HERE TO SAVE THE WORLD FROM BOTH FEDORAS AND FUNDIES
YOU WANTED THIS THREAD TO GET DERAILED? NOW IT IS DERAILED
NOTHING'S GONNA STOP US NOW
>>27099911
>>27099919
CHECK EM
>>27099993
Fuck, missed the GET afterall...
STILL GARY
>>27100005
God bless you Gary
>>27100005
I wonder who got it
>>27099999
>>27100036
>>27100043
Gary's only doing his job, sir;^)
Thank you, Gary.
Anyway, I always thought that what "religion" that people in the Pokemon had was a form of shamanism/animism, similar to Shinto belief.
People make offerings and even pray to extremely powerful Pokemon, whether to help them or just stay the fuck away (in the case of Pokemon like Tornadus and Thundurus).
It isn't a codified belief system, and like Shintoism in Japan the majority of people in Pokemon don't *really* worship in a theological sense, but people give it lip service and the superstitious/religious still deeply respect those powerful Pokemon.
>>27100114
>superstitious
It does seem like they're very superstitious, but then again when you live around a bunch of creatures that can transport you to hell, can you really determine if it ever is just simple superstition?
>>27100114
Yeah, the idea of religion in Japan is different from the western one. Most people there say they're not relgious, but they don't mean that they're atheists exactly; almost anyone who says that means that they believe in Shinto in one way or another.
I think there must be something like that in the Pokémon world too, especially centered around Legendary Pokémon.
It's sad that we can't have this kind of discussions without fedoras showing up. It's usually them who crash this kind of threads.
>>27100183
OP here. I'll take the blame on the thread derail since I didn't really specify.
The only blatant instances of religion we've seen in games is the foreign building (and to a lesser extent all the shrines throughout gen 4/5) so when Alola showed up with Tapu Koko as a guardian deity, I thought it was worthy of discussion to compare them. Despite being a lot about creation and myths, Sinnoh managed to steer pretty clear from religion controversies in the main game, but with Alola starting off with a ceremony it certainly seems like these guardians will be more in-tune with the theme or story, much more than the lake guardians at least.
>>27100183
I think it's clear that in the past Pokemon were treated with far more reverence, at least the powerful ones, and in the modern day there are regions that are far more superstitious/religious than others.
Kanto has Pokemon Tower, but even then that's ultimately just a graveyard. Meanwhile, Johto has several towers dedicated to certain Pokemon, as well as the Ruins of Alph.
>>27100239
References to religion used to be pretty subtle until now. Now that we've got rituals and everything, it's pretty obvious that the Alolan religion is going to be an important part of the plot.
>>27100251
I think you can "blame" that on the fact that in the first generation all the "lore" was still unwritten, but religion has always been here and there in Pokémon.
The only region where I sense a lack of religious symbolism is Kalos. They could still be believers in whatever religion is practiced in the Pokémon world, but it's clear that it's not as important to them as in Johto or Sinnoh. I wonder if they made it like that on purpose, considering that France is where the laïcité movement started.
>>27099202
Considering that like half of pokemon gyms in GO are churches, I'd say yes.
>this thread
>people unable to prove their sky fairy without fedora pictures and "hurr edge"
The worst, this cancer should be removed from this board and the earth.
>>27100442
Fun fact: Muslims promoted science and where the ones who implemented what we would know today as colleges.
>>27100442
Just like I said in >>27100183, the thread derailers are always you.
>>27099911
Yes finally make these reddit atheist leave.
Annoying neckbeards I swear.
>>27100442
>thinks it's about proving something and not just respecting the beliefs of others while acting like a pedantic cunt
Typical teen atheist. I remember those days.
>>27100442
>watching family guy
>>27099664
On the flip side religion has been a font of culture, knowledge and art for the vast majority of human history. Most scientific achievement has come from religious scientists and philosophers, most of the the most beautiful buildings and works of art created were inspired by religion.
I know you're obviously a teen in the edgy 'Religion is cancer!' phase, but in the grand scheme of things religion has done more good than bad. Religion is more than just Christian fundies and Islamic terrorists.
>>27100372
What did they mean by this
>>27100183
This. Basically Shinto, intentionally vague though. Just like real Japan, religion just isn't a factor in the day-to-day lives of most of the population
>>27100442
>ah, family guy, mature enlightened cartoons for mature enlightened people like myself
>>27100509
Yea me too. I've stop being and atheist at that age because I was just being a cunt. Fuck that non-religion shit just believe what you want and move on with your life its not that hard.
just shut up
>>27100534
I wouldn't say it has done more good than bad, but I wouldn't say the opposite is true either. It's impossible to quantify these things, and it's also impossible to draw firm lines between religion, culture, the state, etc. in every society. And it can be argued to death whether this crusade or that charity is because of or in spite of religion, motivations are often complex.
>>27100544
I think that can apply to everyone outside America. Were I live no one gives a shit about each other beliefs, if your nice everyone else will be nice with you.
>>27100595
>outside of America
And Africa
And the Middle East
And South America
And rural Asia
Etc
>>27099512
Pshhh... Nothin personel kidd...
Post yfw you find out you are god and nothing is real.
>>27099512
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXtVzj9y-bo
Was this you?
>>27099792
Something-something throwing virgins and traitors into the volcano?
That would be interesting to see in a pokemon game
>>27100628
>>27100628
>>27100666
>Jesus
>with Satan's trips
I don't know what to believe anymore
>>27100731
We are both.
>>27100608
Really only inside of major European cities is religion not that important. Even then it's still pretty important.
>>27099509
I never believed in God found out that someone that doesn't believe in God is called an atheist
Last past years I rather not call myself that not because I started believing but exactly cause of the type of person you describe in your comment
>>27099472
>Dismiss religion out of hand without engaging in any sort of meaningful discussion
>This is intellectual
Gnostic Theists are just as bad, mind you.
>>27100891
I think being agnostic is better if you really need to be label with something. At less you dont get a bad image with them and your seen as less of a asshole.
>>27099254
you know that agnostic is a thing and it's actually pretty intelligent you know? It's the acceptance of the unkown, where atheism is just egotistical and arrogant "no this is all there is because humans are the center of the universe".
Yes religion caused some shit in the past, but I think it does a load of good for people to have it too. Even Christianity to a point, your kids are going to be the fat lazy sjw hugbox safespace cunts we're gonna have to deal with in 10 years.
>>27101024
This is pretty accurate holy shit.
>>27101100
your picture scares me
>>27101151
when you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back at you
Arceus is just the avatar.
>>27100666
Check'ed
>>27100731
... Have you never seen that movie?
>>27101074
I thought that meant you still believed in something
>>27100666
Checked!
>>27099224
Has the baptist church found out about Arceus? I wonder how they would react to the implication humans can catch God and use him as a tool
>>27099254
tipppity top tipping there m8
>>27099254
*tips fedora*
>>27100442
>God
>an entity beyond Human perception and imagination, a perfect summation of all there is and all there will every be
>a "sky fairy"
>>27101740
What a convenient being.
>>27099202
Considering that every fucking church is either a Pokestop or a Gym, yes, I'd say it does.
>>27101698
What a perfect specimen.
If aliens wanted see the best representative for our race we definitely should show this guy.
>>27100442
>>27100484
Fun Fact: The Catholic Monastic System was the sole responsible entity in Europe to keep keep copies of classical works of scientific thought and philosophy, even making great contributions themselves
Fun Fact: The Dark Ages came about because of war, famine, and mass migration, and not religious oppression. The layman was more concerned with staying alive instead of scientific thought.
>>27099552
>Expecting atheists to know anything about theology outside of their rejection of their father's religion as a means of rebellion or an attempt to assert their independence despite living at home.
>>27101865
Fun Fact: The Catholic Church did a really great job on killing scientists and destroying data, to the point this anon is this ignorant and imbecile.
>>27099509
>but atheist just make fun of people who belive in God (not Jews though, they alway make sure to tell me how "my people" are far from the worst of them). You are all a bunch of smug dillweeds who adhere to your own doctrine of beliefs just like anybother religion
Way to overgeneralize, fagzilla.
>>27099664
>People can steal and rape without religion but sometimes their motives can be traced directly to a religion they were indoctrinated into.
Wow it's almost like humans are motivated by self interest and sometimes people use that to rationalize screwing someone else over be they religious or otherwise.
However, it sounds like you're trying to say that there is a misappropriate amount of people who both commit crimes and in some shape or form belief in God.
It's almost like the majority of humans believe in God to varying degrees ranging from the pious of various religions to agnostics who don't deny that God could be real and they simple don't have the grounds to say.
To summarize you've allowed your narcissistic fetish with being an "enlightened" atheist to warp your viewing of simple statistical facts into making religious people as a whole seem immoral.
>>27101081
Yes I understand, I'm an agnostic atheist
The whole idea of us understanding if there is a creator or even thinking that a god in any sense that we would understand exists is the stupidity
So even going about with a pretense of "There is a god" is useless drivel
If there is a diety, it won't be something that we understand so even contemplating if there is one, or acting like there is one does not pass newton's flaming laser sword
So you should go about your life as an atheist and realize anyone even muttering something about religion or gods, is either fooled by others or fooling others
>>27099773
>Your face when gen VII post game is taking your newly formed kingdom and waging war against the heretics who deny Topu Keko.
>>27099800
First tell me anon, how do girls like your 4 inch hard turtle neck?
>>27099865
Well in that case.
>The Earth is flat guys
>NASA is just trying to guide and manipulate the masses so they can funnel money into the Illuminate.
>I don't need to be an expert in physics to dismiss bullshit.
Anon anyone can make a fallacious argument it's ok to admit you made a mistake, you're only 16.
>>27102187
> illuminate
NASA is funneling money into an advertising agency?
>>27101081
>"no this is all there is because humans are the center of the universe".
That's such a backwards way of looking at it. That's how theists see things. They want to be the special creations of godly beings. Atheists just acknowledge that God is supernatural and that nothing supernatural is real.
Tapu Koko and the rest of the Alolan deities are not deities in the sense that most of you guys might be thinking. They're more like local deities or guardians, whose definitions fit under a different umbrella than the all-powerful universe-rending gods most of you are thinking about.
>>27102253
Of course they are.
An advertising agency run by Lizard squad men.
>>27102278
Atheist are idiots that think they know everything. And know nothing unless dawkins say something.
>>27099254
>>27099781
good goy
>this thread
>>27103259
You mean Darwin?
You realize Darwin isn't a god to us, he just devised the framework for the explanation for mass speciation
>>27099202
Religion exists in every world where intelelgent species inhabit. Not even saying that in the sense of "Atheists are dumb and religion is smart" but in the sense that religion is a building block of culture and society, like science or art.
>>27099405
>Denmark
>mostly atheists
Are you fucking stupid?
>>27103338
Darwin just tells you what you want to hear so you buy his shit.
>>27103259
Atheists are pragmatic individuals who understand that if ghosts and vampires aren't real, gods probably aren't either. There is no supernatural element to the world. There is no god either.
>>27104722
Literally millions of ghost sighting around the world. No one knows what happened after death ect. Yea no atheist are just fat (or anorexic) unlikable scum bags that think they are smart and wont shut up about a religion they dont like.
>>27104967
>Literally millions of ghost sighting around the world
Yet zero proof or evidence.
Just like God. It's a figment of our brains. We're just big naked apes with delusions of grandeur.
>this thread
>>27101865
Yes the Catholic Church was powerful and preserved much of the old world; No this does not make it infallible to arguments not based on criticism of their actions, but on criticisms of their fundamental beliefs.
>>27105023
Pretty much reddit invaded this board after pokemon GO.
>>27104143
He's been dead for over a hundred years and while he published his works never sold his works....
>>27099202
Yeah, any legendary monster in Pokemon always had a religion or cult devoted to it by ancient humans.
>>27099751
Talking about it online for no fucking reason is edgy.
>>27099254
>>27099404
>>27099299
>>27099379
>>27099404
but that IS Atheism.
>>27099501
How impractical.
9 out of 10 times, theism is bundled with a bunch of awful junk. Alone, I guess it doesn't matter too much, although if someone believes in something without evidence, it's likely they'll believe in more things without evidence, so even then, theism is harmful.
>>27107237
>>27107349
>>27107474
I want Gotards to leave
There is literally a church in hearthome, but you never played DPPt did you you FUCKING NORMALFAG
>>27099202
I'd say its 50/50. Yes, there are worshipped deities in the Pokemon world, but practically they are no more powerful than a very well-trained 'mon.
In short, think gods, but minus the infallibility.
>>27100484
>colleges are something good
they just exist to steal your money
>>27103259
But couldn't the same thing be said about theists?
