Are there any OU mons that can outspeed talonflame without caring a scarf?
Dragonite
>caring
>>27063997
>>27064006
Quick Attack Mega Lop
Feint Mega Pinsir
>I want to outspeed a fast mon with priority on his powerful STAB move
Outspeeding isn't the only way to counter a mon
>>27064035
you know mega pinsir gets quick attack right
but talonflame is faster anyways
>Using OU
Shell Smash Omastar
>>27064036
>>27064051
This pokemon is so OP its not even a joke. I cant wait until bruxish comes out and fucks this piece of shit up
>outspeed a priority move
You have to get defense or predict a talonflame, trying to outspeed it only makes you more vulnerable.
>>27064098
>>27063997
Talonflame dies to any 100+ neutral attacks, my beloved Analytic Porygon2 can take any Brave Birds without any problems and proceed to kill the Bravest of the Birds with a Discharge, if it survives then there's a chance it gets paralyzed.
>>27064035
Am I the only one that use Quick Attack instead of Fake Out on Mega Lopunny?
>>27064191
>talonflame bulks up
>talonflame sword dances
>>27063997
You don't need t outspeed if you can hit like a truck and have high defences.
>>27064325
what poke do i need
>>27064376
Is there anything in your desired tier that resists smogonborbs stabs and has the aforementioned stats?
Also like >>27064191 said, porygon2 is pretty good.
>>27064376
two words: bulky water
>>27064434
I also would like something that fuck up Scizor
>>27064540
play heatran
>>27064557
no legendaries or psuedo pls
>>27064590
>>27064590
not a legendary or a pseudo
The bestest counter ever is Rotom Heat.
Resists both stabs like a champ and kills it with ease with Thunderbolt/Discharge.
>>27064218
>it's another episode of "this Pokémon has 20 move slots"
>>27064051
You know Feint is a higher priority than Quick Attack and Gale Wings Brave Bird, right?
>>27064657
>Not Rotom Wash
>>27064725
I said bestest.
Wash can be burned on the switch and then stalled out. It mostly depends on the rest of your team, but both are worth a spot.
>>27064688
no its not faster than talon
>>27064725
Doesn't resist Burn, U-Turn, or the incredibly rare Grass-type Natural Gift.
>>27064783
Well it's a fact that it is.
>>27064685
Talonflame has a boosting move almost as often as it has Brave Bird.
