/vp/ Needs more Hydreigon.
not like that
>>26958389
/thread
>>26958389
I like it
>>26958389
>not knowing Hydreigon's origins
I want a mega Hydreigon with 6 heads
>>26958458
>>26958674
Do hydreigon's hand-heads have a mind of its own?
>>26958703
No they dont. When the center head grows in, it does all the thinking, the other two heads are there to attack and eat.
>>26958726
It's good for his Arthritis and Glaucoma, he's an old dragon. He's Drampa
>>26958834
Those are the best dragons tbqh
>>26958703
According to the Pokédex, no
>The heads on their arms do not have brains. They use all three heads to consume and destroy everything.
But the Pokédex tends to be full of shit.
>>26958891
Except that Dragonite is fucking shit.
I remember for a short while Scarfed Hydreigon was viable thanks to its slight bulk.
>>26958371
Step it up, senpai
>>26958928
>>26958928
Hail Hyrda!
Hydrei-kun~
>>26958389
>>26958396
>not wanting mechaghidorah
>>26958371
Nice thread, since Hydreigon isn't very popular on /vp/ i think.
Favorite Pokemon too.
![sazandra_by_xous54-d30cl3i[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/dFyeJPK.png "sazandra_by_xous54-d30cl3i[1].png")
Hydreigon so based.
>>26958371
>Vierper
Mega Hydreigon will be Dragon/Grass
>>26960827
Dragon/Poison or Dragon/Steel to take care of Fairies.
>>26962953
>fast Dragon/Steel with Levitate
Muh dick.
>>26958371
You guys have no idea how megas work.
It will be Dragon/Dark with Mega Launcher. It will regain Zweilous's legs, since it's no longer Levitating.
Its wings may turn into additional small heads.
>>26958913
At the risk of getting >pls Richard responses, just because some of what the pokedex says is bullshit, it doesn't mean everything is.
Pokemon literally is Headcannon: The series. Theres loads of contradictions within everything- be it pokedex, main gameplay, spin offs, anime, etc..- its best to just take a medium "feel" of everything to get an idea for what something is. For instance, the Pokedex might say that a pokemon is X height, but the overworld, cutscenes, official art, and spin off stuff might contradict it, so its safe to say the pokedex is wrong in that regard, but if the pokedex says Aggron eats Iron, theres nothing really going against it so you can probably assume thats true of the character.
Anyway, tangent aside, Hydreigon is fucking awesome. I fucking NEED a mega for this bastardalso I'd much prefer the mega to remain Dark. We need more really dominant Dark types
>>26962953
Nah, Grass because it looks like flowers.And because Voice of Nature
>>26958936
>Hydreigonfag shitting on other dragons
Hydreigon is just as bad if not worse than Dragonite.
>>26958936
Is there a more surefire indication of terrible taste than not liking Dragonite?
>>26963469
>implying Mega Launcher would eve work without fuckhuge cannons being built into the design somehow
I vote Contrary based on the whole "cut off one head and two more take its place" theme.
>>26963676
Not him, but Mega Launcher is used by Clauncher and it's evo, which dont have literal cannons, but makeshift ones out of claws. I dont think having literal cannons is a requirement, just the ability to launch things at strong speeds, which its heads could serve the purpose of.
Contrary is a really kickass idea, and thematically works, but a terribly broken one. Remember, it took a shitmon like Serperior all the way to OU.. give it to something like Hydreigon that's as is barely edging on OU, with amazing coverage and a huge stat boost, and it'd go fucking insane. That shit might even be worse than M-Salamence. In fact, if it got any boost in speed, it would be worse.
>>26958457
thats cute
>>26963676
Never happening. Contrary goes to absolute shitmons.
But it's a nice idea, imagine how broken that'd be.
>>26963787
I do consider Clauncher and Clawitzer's claws to count as cannons. Clawitzer is even the Howitzer Pokemon, it's intended to be an artillery piece.
And yes, Contrary Mega Hydreigon would be hideously broken. But damn if it wouldn't be fun as fuck in VGC and in-game battle facilities.
>>26963846
>But damn if it wouldn't be fun as fuck
Yeah, you'll get no argument from me there. It'd surely get banned by Smogon format, and probably over centralize VGC, but something about Hydreigon laying waste to everything tickles my dick.
>>26963839
Well, Shadow Tag was pretty much the same way up until Mega Gengar came along.
>>26963960
Except that Mega Gengar loses an immunity with it's primary Ability in exchange for an Ability to effectively utilize free Perish Trapping shenanigans.
Even with a removed immunity to Ground Type attacks, Mega Gengar is still the bane of many players' existence.
>>26958371
Best Hydraigon mega is a Dragon/Poison with a 5 same sizes heads with like 20 really tiny ones
I'd give a sketch but I have the artistic capability of a dead snake
>>26963676
>without fuckhuge cannons
Its three heads are cannons. Sugi even said its original concept was a tank dragon.
How is Hydreigon to the majority of fans?
>>26964315
Great design, decent movepool, shit speed.
>>26964315
It's one of the more popular pokemon. I mean, I think it reached top 50 in the recent japanese poll, if not it was barely out of it.Generally if youre not hung up on the vestigial legs, you probably like it.
>>26964374
>shit speed
Gonna split hairs here, and say that this is only true in the context of it's role and it being just barely out of where it wants to be. 98 is in the upper group of speed, but speed tiers have a dramatic shift in "weight" around that point, so its basically a cock tease.
I just say that because if it ever gets a Mega, even a measely 5 points in speed will do fucking wonders for it.
>>26964446
I just mean it could be better. Its one of the things that holds it back, though it does outspeed some surising mons.
>>26964489
Yeah, absolutely. Id go as far to say that it's the single biggest hurdle Hydreigon has, Fairy's are really only an after thought.
>>26963547
Rest assured, be may say >muh patterns all they want, but at this point we know all starters and all pseudos will get a Mega, sooner or later.
>>26964506
Nah, I hear ya. Im sure people would say it, but "Muh patterns" is kinda moot in this when we actually know the dev's reasoning for which megas they pick, and they prioritize both pokemon that could use megas and popularity, which Hydreigon fits both.
The main thing stopping it, is I could see Hydreigon being kind of a tough pokemon to design a mega for. But then again, I would've thought the same for Metagross and they fucking nailed that shit.
>>26964315
I like it
Contrary hydreigon needs to happen!!!
>>26964446
New ability, Tri Head: all moves have 1/3 power but hit 3 times.
All things considered it would probably hit for the same damage anyway, so would this be broken?
>>26964750
Charge Beam shenanigans could be fun, as could Dark Pulse flinch spam.
But bumping it up to 40% damage should be fine, given that you lose Draco Meteor.
>>26964750
Super effective moves would be over powered, look at mega kangaskhan
>>26964800
Pretty much yeah, i dont want it like thaaat
>>26964750
That could potentially be very good, depending on how it interacted with secondary effects.
If secondary effects activated, you'd lose Draco Meteor as a viable option, which is pretty much synonymous with Hydreigon.
But on the other hand, you gain roughly a 42% chance to flinch (if memory serves correctly) through Dark Pulse, you could reliably fish for Burns with Flamethrower/Fire Blast, and you'd gain a semi-reliable boosting move in Charge beam that could net you free Nasty Plots/Tail Glows. I assume that ability would only apply to damaging moves, so Work Up wouldnt activate 3 times, otherwise thatd be fucking stupid good.
Honestly, that'd be pretty fucking good. Itd be majorly dependant on it's stat distribution as a Mega. I think if you gave it a nice healthy speed bump and not TOO much, but noticeable SpAtk increase. Maybe 150-160 SpAtk.
>>26964848
You could give it EVs at HP because of how Charge Beam would work.
>>26963676
>Mega Hydreigon with Contrary
>Draco Meteor and Superpower
Are you trying to break the game?
>>26965508
Yes.
>>26965508
I'm just trying to make a Mon relevant again after the introduction of fairies, it's literally never seen any more because of how popular fairies have become. RIP Hydreigon :'(
>>26965535
>I'm just trying to make a Mon relevant again after the introduction of fairies, it's literally never seen any more because of how popular fairies have become. RIP Hydreigon :'(
That is literally not why Hydreigon dropped down to UU.
>>26965549
Please enlighten me than Senpai. Why did he drop down to UU?
>>26965508
Good
Break, destroy, devour everything
>>26965535
Its still pretty relevant and VERY fun to use. Are you a scrub or something?
>>26965535
Literally not true. I love Hydreigon but fairies aren't not the reason for his downfall.
He was going downhill at the end of the BW era already. Ultimately power creep in both speed tiers and well, power, is what got him. Fairies like Sylveon everyone likes to fanart him with aren't actually a threat at all. They're mostly frail as fuck, he does 80% to max HP Sylveon with an univested Life Orb Iron Tail. There only good fairies in OU are M-Gardevoir (seeing less usage with each day), Azumarill and Clefable. Hydreigon can't get past those three, but many Pokemon can't either. Fairies aren't to fault, the reason Hydreigon dropped lies nearly solely in power creep.
Hydreigon rules UU though, so that's nice.
>>26965578
Power creep, mostly. Bigger, badder wallbreakers with beefier attacks and comparable if not better speed pushed it out of a job. Black Kyurem was doing a good job of stealing its thunder in BW2, Megas are what finished off its OU run.
Really Megas did more to hurt Hydreigon's viability than fairies ever did.
>>26965578
Its speed tier. Its largest weakness since his introduction.
Pink blobs.
Checked by half of OU. (this it the biggest one. Hydreigon is hard to switch into, but even in gen 5, it suffers from the fact that is checked by goddamn everything)
Finally, misses too many crucial 2hkos. Not enough raw power and not enough speed to compensate.
>>26965535
>Literally never seen again
But thats not true.
It's top tier UU, easily viable in OU, and was top tier in VGC before the introduction of genies and their current upper legendary experiments.
>>26965549 is right. Fairies didnt exactly HELP, but Hydreigon's got suprisingly middling stats. It's cocktease speed stat forces investment, which weakens the potential of it's SpAtk, and it's got no boosting moves. Giving it a more solid back bone in it's stats, even by a few points, and it'll be OU, no problem
Quad weak to fairy moves... Yeah OK... Fairies didn't kill hydreigon... almost every team runs at least one fairy to deal with dragons because of how common they are.
Modest choice specs hydreigon 252 Sp. Atk Draco meteor ohko mega kangaskhan like 90%+ of the time.
>>26965685
/vp/ sees "quad weak" and thinks it means something. It doesnt. Being 4x weak to something is very rarely more impactful than being 2x weak to something.
Fairies didn't help the situation, but Hydreigon would've been UU with or without introduction of Fairies. It's simply missing out in Speed and/or SpAtk. Give it more speed, and it'll be OU. Take away Fairies and it'll still be UU.
>>26965708
See Garchomp or Landorus-T
>>26965685
Nigga, 80% of the pokemon in OU have a quad weakness of some kind. A quad weakness rarely matters because typings with quad weaknesses usually have very favorable type interaction.
Fairy attacks are rare on non-fairy pokemon and they're ridiculously broadcasted when they're used. Not to mention, it's impossible for anyone to even pull out a surprise Hidden Power Fairy on Hydreigon because it doesn't exist.
You can tell exactly who the shitters are with no battling experience whatsoever. x2 and x4 weakness rarely make the difference. Most pokemon will get 2hko regardless of how super effective the damage is. It does not matter. Hydreigon doesn't invest into bulk. It's gonna get murdered by neutral moves more often than super effective ones.
>>26965730
4x weak is actually pretty common in OU.
Scizor, Heatran, Bisharp, Breloom, Charizard Y, Talonflame, M-Diancie, Dragonite, Ferrothorn, Gliscor, Magnezone, Pinsir, Quagsire, Weavile, Tyranitar...
Reason being for those doubting, is most of the time 2x lands an OHKO anyway. 4x is just overkill. However, a consequence of being 4x weak to something, is you're dual typed, which gives you naturally better coverage, more than likely a load of resistances, and focuses the weaknesses into one. So you lose very little by being quad weak.
The only time quad weak really mattered was on something like weakness to Stealth Rock, which is passive, and wouldn't have been an OHKO no matter what. Of course, this gen, Gamefreak made a good move with Defog, so thats even less of a problem.
>Thinking quad weakness doesn't ohko your mons, compared too 2x
Seriously, fairies rekt hydreigon. If fairies were never introduced, he'd still be OU. Almost every team runs a sylveon or some wall fairy.
>>26965976
>baiting this fucking hard
Sylveon is UU.
>>26966000
Probably in the current vgc meta but she's ranked #7 in doubles in Pokemon global link. If not sylveon then it's xerneas. Unless you play singles like a fucking faggot
>>26966028
Well if you play VGC, then Hydreigon's even more viable, so I dont know what the issue is.
>>26966141
You obviously don't play vgc so please shut the fuck up
>>26966028
The terms OU and UU are meaningless outside of Smogon singles, and you're the one who brought up OU.
>>26966198
You obviously haven't paid attention to VGC beyond the current season. The only reason its not used at the moment is because theyre doing that dumb shit with legendaries, which over centralizes the ever living shit out of it.
Every other year since it's introduction, Hydreigon saw usage at high level team comp.
>>26966236
Lmao you obviously didn't watch last's season vgc where no one ran hydreigon. The most common mons were genies, mega kangaskhan, mega salamence, heatran, amoonguss, sylveon, talonflame, mega charizard y and gardevoir. You have no idea what the fuck your talking about. Fairies literally killed this mon
>>26966444
Hydreigon was in 3 of the top 5 teams in 2014, where Fairies were used. In fact, fairies were more common in 2014 than in 2015.
Hydreigon fell in usage in 2015 with the introduction of genies back into the metagame. Hydreigon was used in that season, but didnt make it in a team with top 5. In the top 5 there was also only 1 Fairy type.
If Fairies killed it, it wouldn't have been popular in the same season where Fairies were popular, idiot.
In theory, Faries should wreck Hydreigon's shit. In practice, they're all so slow that it can just U-turn out or try to 2HKO a switch-in with Iron Tail.
The real reason Hydreigon's not used is that it's dead weight against offense.
>>26966483
Except fairies weren't introduced until Gen VI and Hydreigon is a Gen V Mon, if you read the smogon guide on hydreigon it literally says it was uncounterable until the introduction of fairies, so please shut the fuck up, you're embarrassing the both of us with your stupidity.
>>26966597
Nigger, 2014 WAS Gen 6. In 2014, 4 of the top 5 teams had Fairies, with there being 6 total Fairy pokemon. 3 of the top 5 had Hydreigon. That is literally empirical evidence showing that Fairies had little affect on it's usage, and other means did.
Also it was uncounterable, but counters aren't a huge deal. It does and always has had a shit ton of checks.
>>26966628
You fucking cuck, hydreigon was a powerhouse in Gen 5 before the introduction of fairies, I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand, fairies literally rekt this mon
>>26966649
Alright, youre either stupid or just baiting at this point. Either way, I've proven my point.
>>26966663
OK cuck if you say so
More hydreigon please
Yes sir
>>26966628
>Smogon
>Garchomp existed before gen 6
How in the fuck what hydreigon unconterable? This is vapid BULLSHIT. You're full of crap anon.
>>26967756
During gen 5, it could 2HKO practically any switch in.
>>26958371
>Tfw barely any Mega Hydreigon designs make it look like a literal tank
>>26967787
I guess, but it was still slow as shit. It was a decent revenge killer but it never got annoying to deal with.
>>26967805
That was the thing. It effectively had no counters in gen 5 because there were no safe switch ins, but half the things in OU could check it.
Which is why it was dropping out of popularity in OU very fast even during gen 5 before fairies ever showed up.
Hydreigon's speed holds the poor thing back so hard.
>>26958371
My fave dragon, one of my fave darks, both cool and cute, I got diabetes from playing with it in Pokemonamie.
I just love it. I don't do plushies, but this is one that I should really get a plushie of.
Really hope it gets a mega in SuMo.
>>26958371
>the tail gets a face
>still has those doofy little legs
It's shit. Lacks creativity. GameFreak will probably use it.
The people who think fairy Pokémon ruined Hydreigon must not know that in VGC Hydreigon is still sitting at 5% usage in doubles and singles. No lower than 30th most used.
>>26963597
Dragonite looks like orange Barney, you nostalgiafag.
>>26967922
/vp/ is bad at competitive
this is not news
>>26967756
You literally dont know what a counter is, you stupid faggot.
>>26967925
He look like Casimir for me
Mega Hydreigon will get a Parental Bond kind of ability but it would hit 3 times and the 2nd and 3rd hit would deal 25% dmg
>>26968696
WHAT IS THAT
>>26958371
is this a new xmen
