>reusing the same fucking model
They had two fucking years AND THIS IS WHAT THEY COME UP WITH?!
If they had to re-do models they would take more time.
This allows for more new Pokemon and features.
the models were obviously future-proofed
>>26957151
They reused fucking Stadium models in Battle Revolution. These are actually futureproofed, so of course they're going to use them.
>>26957151
Dunno why your so ass mad about reused models. Why waste time and money on a meaningless remodel, when you can use it in better ways.
>>26957151
Maybe you should look at how you've changed your model in the last 10 years.
Let's at least hope a select few had their models redone
and if not, then surely they will do it for Gen8, right?
>>26957236
This isn't reddit. You don't get upboats for failed attempts at wit.
Hello darkness my old friend...
>>26957151
Get used to it because you'll be seeing these models until gen 11. Hope you like frame rate drops.
>>26957251
Thanks for the reply, kind sir! :)
>>26957251
Then don't upboat him fuckface
>>26957151
>Op honestly thought they were going to make new models for any of the old pokemon
just how dumb are you?
>>26957264
Dunno whats wrong with that model, it's gliding.
>>26957299
Yes, because gliding in place makes so much sense.
>>26957192
Oh 10 new fucking pokemon in exchange for rehashing 721 models
>>26957207
They said that about Stadium
>>26957219
Told tou
>>26957233
>making a recolor of Arcanine is better
>and on THE SAME MODEL
>>26957236
What?
>>26957237
Kek I gave up hope on GF
>>26957251
Boat?
>>26957265
Cancer
>>26957279
Sorry for having expectations of a company that sells 13 million copies of a game per year
>>26957299
While staying in one area?
>>26957151
The models are fine. Some of them have shitty colors and a few have crappy animations but the models themselves? No need to change them.
>>26957334
>Sorry for having expectations of a company that sells 13 million copies of a game per year
Your expectations are too high and ridiculous, chief.
Par for the course for this place.
Why do underage kids think making 721 models just for the Pokemon alone is an easy task? Does Gamefreak have infinite laborforce? Do you just put a picture of a Pokemon into a scanner and have it generate a model like in some shitty 90's sci fi movie?
>>26957436
Hey dumbass, reposing a model =/= making a new one.
>>26957334
>10 new mons
>already way more revealed/announced
k
>>26957436
They see the fact that Nintendo makes money and don't understand that Gamefreak =/= Nintendo. Also they just don't understand the process of making models or know just how good the models we currently have are and that they can be repositioned, retextured etc with considerably less effort as shown by people who make videos with fake megas and the like.
If anything people should be bitching about regarding these models its the lack of unique animations but we're only 1 gen since they were made so there's still the chance for Gamefreak.
>>26957459
I didnt know you worked for Gamefreak. How is it the same model? Prove it.
>>26957151
Most of the beloved sprites from Black and White were carried over from Platinum/HGSS
>>26957459
If you repose a model its the same fucking model reposed.
Unless you're implying Rockruff and Arcanine are using the same model which is retarded.
>>26957334
>not knowing how upboats work
Confirmed newfag
Back to /r/eddit with you
>>26957151
>saving thumbnails
(You) had all the time in the world AND THIS IS WHAT YOU COME UP WITH?!
>>26957334
>13 mil
You realize that isn't a lot right. Fucking Kinect Adventures sold over 24 million. Minecraft has sold over 100 million.
It's also not per year, it's per release. One game release doesn't sell throughout the year.
You think because they made $13 million on XY, that all goes into profit and can fund the next games? That money doesn't even all go to the developer team. And most of it pays off costs such as wages, overhead, shipping, production, marketing, etc.
But yeah no I'm sure they'll prioritize starting from scratch with completely new models just for you.
>People still not realising that they made the models to last
Yeah, but once you have models you can repurpose them for cool stuff.
>>26957504
You don't get it, the textures are shit so they should scrap the entire model and spend 7 year development cycles making new ones each time they want a new game.
What do you mean companies need to make money and can't provide indefinite costly labor so long as they aren't making anything back?
>>26957534
Don't assume most people on this board knows about staff costs, ROI, etc
>>26957534
>>26957556
Yes, gamefreak surely is running out of money and needs to cut corners because remaking the same game (which will have huge sales regardless of what you do) every two years is much harder than consistently coming out with something new like other companies.
>>26957151
Probably to add more Pokemon in order to make up for the lack of new ones back in Gen 6.
Still they have the standing models for the flying types why don't they use them.
>>26957534
This is what pisses me off about these discussions. The fucking clams who bitch and moan about this don't know how models work.
To those reading: a model is comprised of multiple parts. There's the mesh (that's the shape of the model), the texture (that's how it's colored and how the shading works on it), and the animations (that's how it moves).
You can change any one of those without destroying or restarting the entire models. Saying "We deserve new models!" is fucking stupid, because it implies you expect them to make all three pieces over again. Which is retarded.
The meshes are excellent, almost unanimously. The problem is some of the textures (and that's even more of a color problem than a pattern problem, and tweaking that is 10 minutes in Photoshop and a quick import) and a handful of animations (which are a bit more work, but all of the rigs are done [that being the "bones" that help you move the model around], so reposing them into new animations is fairly easy as well).
In short, they can fix the problems everyone has with some tweaks to the exisiting models. They don't need all new ones. That would be retarded.
>>26957591
>than consistently coming out with something new like other companies.
Which AAA companies don't put out rehashes or continuations? Nintendo has other IPs, their number of IPs are dwindling but they still have others.
Arcanine's model is fucking majestic. He's sitting there all prideful and strong.
Can somebody link to the video from which the OP's image came?
>>26957534
Quit your bitching,bitch.
>>26957619
don't compare shitting out handheld games to triple a studios making open world computer rpgs and shit
>>26957643
Are we going to compare the vita's long list of shovelware and indie titles or cherry pick from the PSP's grossly large library of non firstparty titles?
>>26957641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHS0DjTw5ho
>>26957151
>reusing the same fucking sprite
They had four fucking years AND THIS IS WHAT THEY COME UP WITH?!
>>26957666
I'll have you know the Wonderswan Color blows the 3DS out of the fucking water.
>>26957207
It the floating ones.
>>26957678
That's all generation 4 though. We always got new sprites every new gen, besides gen 5 which animated them all.
>>26957709
>we always got new sprites every gen EXCEPT this one time
Nice.
>>26957326
BECAUSE CHIN BANANAS MAKE EVEN MORE SENSE RIGHT!!!
ALONG WITH ENCAPSULATING LIVING BEINGS INTO BALLS THAT ALSO MAKES SENSE!!!
OH A GOLDEEN OUT OF WATER ALSO MAKES SENSE!!!
>>26957151
pic very related
>>26957746
???
Silver is Gen II, Emerald is Gen III
>>26957757
Crystal (II) vs LeafGreen (III)
I don't understand what you people are trying to say? Those are visually distinct sprites, one generation apart.
>>26957759
Apples and oranges m8.
Also,
>I'LL USE CAPSLOCK TO SHOW YOU HOW OUTRAGED I AM AT YOUR POST, HOW DARE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT GLIDING MONS!!!ARE THREE EXCLAMATION MARKS ENOUGH TO CONVEY MY DISGUST TOWARDS YOUR POST?!!!?!?!
>>26957805
>Those are visually distinct sprites
Yeah ok, and i'm Ghandi.
>>26957326
Yes it does? Never seen a hawk hover over a field looking for prey?
It even does that "twitching" with the wings. Is this what people has been so assblasted over?
>>26957151
Only a few Pokémon, like Delphox, need new models, but only because its current one sucks.
so how autistic is this thread?
>>26957824
Probably, considering Ghandi had poor eyesight.
>>26957805
They're the same sprites but with different colors, dumbass
>>26957836
Ever seen a hawk gliding in place for minutes at a time? No? Then imagine it.
Does it look silly?The answer's yes.
>>26957759
The two first ones aren't comparable.
The last one I somewhat agree with, I would prefer if Water mons stayed on the ground instead of floating in thin air, but oh well.
Your case is pretty weak when you're whole point is that some other things look dumb so this can look dumb too no problem.
>>26957844
They are visually distinct with small refinements, but you're nitpicking that they aren't completely redrawn in some new fucking pose with their hand up their ass and their left leg in the air trying to play some invisible naked twister.
>>26957251
reddit manchild triggered
>>26957816
Kek
>>26957854
the only difference in >>26957827 is that Bulbasaur got his eyes touched up and he stopped being angry, everything else is 1 to 1, outside of a couple pieces of added shading.
The models don't need to be changed, stop being a baby. You should be happy they're at least making new move animations.
I wanna see em go full Yokai Watch. Change some colours round, put a new name on it and call it a new Pokemon. Instant 150+ new Pokemon for Gen VII
>>26957883
So he got.... retextured?
>>26957964
>Gen V monkeys
>Genies
>Lake spirits
>Lati@s + the megas
>ITT: OP has no idea how much resource development costs
Hello gamefreak apologists! How are you guys doing? Making sure nobody even attempts to critique anything in the new games, right?
>>26958130
The models are all fine except for Tangrowth's. This isn't a critique, this is wanting a company to waste a lot of time and money remaking models that were already future-proofed.
>>26958156
The flying models look terrible though. On top of that there are models like feraligators or raticate that look downright ugly.
>>26958130
You lived with shit looking sprites for 14 years without complaining, surely you can live with terrible looking models for a few years.
Also hi OP.
>>26958130
Critiquing things and nitpicking are two different things
>>26958206
those are animations, not models. Only 7 flying types have that gliding animation, the rest look great. Rats in real life do the same thing as Raticate when they're being aggressive.
>>26958206
The flying models do not look bad, the flying ANIMATIONS look bad. That's easy to fix, they're just lazy.
>>26958156
The models themselves are fine, but their animations sure could use some work.
>>26958239
Only gen I had bad sprites.
>>26958156
It hurts.
>>26957854
>but you're nitpicking that they aren't completely redrawn
That's literally what you were doing with the models fucktard
>>26957151
Have we seen whether the flying pokemon are all grounded this time? That's all I care about
>>26958817
We've seen Salamence's model doing the weird float thing, so probably not.
>>26957334
>They said that about Stadium
Nobody said that about Stadium. Pokemon Stadium used standard Nintendo 64 models that looked outdated during the following gen. The gen 6 Pokemon models are so high-poly that the 3DS can barely handle them, which is why there's so damn much slowdown in battle. They were obviously made with the next hardware generation in mind.
Meme bait aside, wheres this picture from?
>>26959051
Right here bud. It's from a showcase of Rockfuff and Komala.
https://youtu.be/6wyy-DhwYXI
holy shit you people will find anything to complain over
why don't they just scrap the new games? obviously the models ruin it
>>26959144
Arcanine's model doesn't looks that bad, needs a better pose but that's easy to fix.
>>26958764
;-;
it's so much worse from behind
>>26957151
Why the fuck would you expect a new fucking model? It's a Arcanine, what else can they fucking do? It's not like sprites where they always could use a different pose.
>>26957151
THE MODELS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM
THE ANIMATIONS AND POSES ARE THE PROBLEM
DUMB IPHONEPOSTER
>>26957852
Yes actually I have seen one. I'm looking at one do it right now actually. Dunno if you realize this, but it takes less energy to glide than it does to be constantly flapping your wings, so species skilled at it can glide for very long bouts without flapping their wings to get the most out of the energy they have.
Albatrosses famously soar for thousands of miles without flapping their wings.
>>26958239
>shit looking sprites
(You)
They were fineuntil gen V
New poses when
>>26959480
8th gen next year
>>26959480
When we get another lull in the development cycle right after the Gen 4 remakes on Nintendos next handheld.
Imagine if they reused the stadium models again.
>>26957334
>Sorry for having expectations of a company that sells 13 million copies of a game per year
You do realise that every company reuses their models when necessary right? Also sales aren't reflective of the work force nor do they override common sense which you don't seem to have.
>>26959426
>Albatrosses famously soar for thousands of miles without flapping their wings.
>thousands of miles
The question is: have you ever seen a bird stay in the same exact spot while gliding?
>>26959499
I really do hate how Pokemon is now an anual franchise à la Call of Duty
>>26959554
>Now.
>>26958949
>>26957334
Stadium's models WERE future proofed.
They continued to use them for years and years, even on fancy new hardware.
The only thing that changed were the textures, because the N64 just couldn't handle them.
Future proof doesn't mean it lasts forever, just that it resists change. It's been almost 20 years since Stadium came out, so obviously they wouldn't last THAT long.
>>26959527
They may have been stretching it with those, Golem and Kangaskhan look particularly nasty in PBR
>>26959554
That started with HG/SS and ended with OR/AS.
S/M is gonna start it again because muh generations xd
>>26957436
Yes
>>26958832
To be fair it would look worse if Salamence was flapping it's wings.
But I doubt they've changed anything.
>>26957678
It's okay because gen 4 had Battle Frontier and Gym Leader rematches
>>26957151
It's an example of working smarter, not harder.
>>26959544
Have you ever seen a fish swim in the fucking air?
Kill yourself.
>>26959605
Nother an excuse especially with the BF downgrades.
Hell the extra plat content would take like a month or so to make.
I imagine they probably think that certain Pokemon can express themselves more freely if they were flying rather than standing
>>26957151
I mean I don't mind if they reuse the same models, but the LEAST they could do is fine-tune some of the less than exemplary ones and give a LOT of 'mons better animations.
I just don't understand why they wont improve them.Well, besides being lazy shitters, anyways.
The japs are masters of effieciency, theyre doing the right thing
>>26957151
Why the fuck would they waste their time and money making 700+ new models every gen when they already have perfectly good ones?
Even Pokken uses the Gen 6 models for the Support Pokemon, they just slapped HD textures on them.
>>26959824
I think almost all of the attack animations are great, although individual ones like Play Nice's aren't very good. Idle animations need a little work but most of them are really good.
>>26960149
*attacking animations
*individual attacks
>>26959625
They fish thing doesn't make sense, but it's the best they can do. Unless you're saying all fish mons should flop around on the ground like Magikarp, or a pool should appear out of think air whenever you send one out, then floating is the best solution.
Flying types don't need to constantly be in the air. If it has feet, then there's nothing wrong with leaving it on the ground.
>>26957251
We use (you)'s as upboats
>>26960045
Seriously.
>>26957151
Dude the models are like 100% on-model, what is there to change (other than the shitty color)?
>>26957192
Just like ORAS, eh? :^)
>>26957151
>>26960464
You don't even have a 3DS Braden, stop wasting your mom's money.
>>26960690
It really is Braden, he's even sperging (he thinks it's baiting) with the same autistic walls of text and autism like >>26957334 and>>26960464
>>26957436
OP is a known 13 years old, he keeps coming back because Moot hates us and allowed phones, see the underage way he writes: >>26957459
>>26960045
That's exactly what gen 8 will do.
>>26957151
Every AAA franchise reuses models.
It's not being lazy, it's being smart and not wasting money.
Being a billion dollar company doesn't mean you can just throw money away.
>>26959544
You're aware that the Pokemon are supposed to move around in your imagination right? Thinking that they were always immobile in place is fucking retarded.
>>26957495
Why would I waste my time with you?
>>26957476
And had actual effort given to ALL the animations
>>26957436
Enjoy your gliding Salamence
>>26961163
stop this meme
>>26961070
>gliding
"Gliding" implies advancing/moving forward. I think the word you're looking for is "suspended" or "dangling."
>>26957524
Yet they haven't been
>>26957556
>justifying slave labor
>>26957616
Why wasn't it done then retard?
>>26957678
That's one generation retard
>>26957757
That's recolored and made bigger you fucking retard
>>26957824
They are you fuckig retard
>>26957836
>All Pokemon are hawks
>>26957839
Animated retard
>>26957883
It is standing up centered now you fucking failure
>>26957892
Kek
>>26958081
>justifying incompetence
Reminder Gamefreak didnt bother with the battle frontier because you fags apparently have no to spend on it and even laughed at the question
>>26958156
>Delphox
>Salamence
>Golem
>Mew
>Arcanine
>entei
Its mostly the gen 1 and 2 Pokemon that look shit
>>26958239
Sprites looked alot better than models
>Gen 3 Feraligatr backsprite
>>26959158
>liking the new music
Pleb
>>26959393
Look at Delphox retard
>>26959480
Gen 16
>>26959613
>being this much of an apologist
>>26959943
Enjoy gettingcucked for literally the same game with another 79 mon expansion pack
>>26960045
Why the fuck did Gamefreak waste time making models for every Pokemon when Pokedex 3D made BETTER ones
>>26960464
>KLK
>>26960881
Cuck, enjoy eating shit
>>26961190
Goodpoint
This thread is a waste. What you want and what Gamefreak wants are two entirely different things.
It doesn't matter what they do, you'll buy it anyway.
LIKE A GOOD LITTLE CONSUMER
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
This is what peopel get for demanding 3D models.
I'd honestly be surprised if they change them for the games after S/M. Animating models for several hundred mons takes forever when you've got other shit to do too.
This is why Gen VI was so shit.
>>26961219
Why are you replying to everyone like that?
>>26957334
>They said that about Stadium
Lo and behold, the Stadium Models were used up until Battle Revolution.
>>26961249
for (you)
>>26961219
>Why the fuck did Gamefreak waste time making models for every Pokemon when Pokedex 3D made BETTER ones
Pokedex 3D and Gen 6 use the exact same models, you stupid fuck.
>>26961219
You have CWC's tier of autism
>>26961225
>actually thinking people in /vp/ buy the game and not download it illegally
>especially butthurt kids for "muh gliding animation"
Proof that Pokedex 3D and Gen 6 models are the same, except the latter are more detailed and have a higher polycount.
>>26959426
YOU CAN'T GLIDE IN PLACE YOU FUCKING MORON
>>26961219
>image.jpg
mobilefags should be rounded up and euthanized. These levels of autism are too extreme.
>>
>>26961824
Hey anonI'm using a phone right now. Spooky, huh?
>>26961495
>he thinks pokemon battles are a 1:1 hyper realistic simulator
Are you actually autistic?
Either get used to it or dont buy the new games. Easy as that.
>>26964762
>justifying gamefreak shittyness
APOLOGIST
>>26960351
The thing is, they HAVE standing models because all flying pokemon are grounded in Amie.
I'm fine with the same models. Saves time. I'm just bothered they didn't reposition any of them or anything. They could have also touched a few of them up or given new models to a few who had really shit ones before, like Eelektross.
>>26957501
>$13 million
>from 13 million copies sold
uhh
>>26962146
It's like they're not even trying!!!!
The working hours are better spent on other things. You have to pay the staff anyway, why bother getting them to redo a huge amount of work for little gain when you could pay them to be creating new features/Pokemon/whatever during that time.
>>26957192
maybe if youre talking about budgetary concerns but the people who design pokemon, the people who program the games, and the people who make the models are three separate teams who do their jobs in parallel. they could have done it without extending the time it would take to make that game.
>>26957151
There's literally nothing wrong with that Arcanine.
Go take your unnecessary autistic nerd rage back to the depths of Tumblr.
>>26968636
it belongs to vp tho we hate everything remember the sperglord who dropped his spaghetti because the clouds in oras are the same as in xy?
>>26959554
>no games in 2011 or 2015
>annual franchise
MFW People still believe SuMo is Gen 7
Same engine = Same gen.
Inb4 but new pokemon!.
- Instead of releasing 180 in one game, they decided to space the releases and release 70 something first since they were already running late in the development of XY.
>>26968691
dumb charizardposter
What if it's a teaser for Mega Arcanine?
>>26968691
>Same engine = Same gen.
Wasn't GS built off RBGY?
>>26960351
Gee it's almost like GF wants it to be easy for kids to understand why ground type moves don't work on them or something. >>26966229
>model = animation
You fucking idiot.
>>26968759
Same gen, too, desu
>>26968691
i said this about 20 times but its always true you guys are completely retarded
>>26957836
All the perma flying 3D models except for a select few look like dogshit. End of
>>26957151
What is even the problem with Arcanine in the first place?
>>26960045
>a brighter outline around the rings
ew, why are the 3DS textures so fucking awful
Now I know why they didn't put Blastoise in Pokken
>>26961493
>the latter would mean gen 6
>shitty washed out model with shitty outline textures is better
They still have yet to show us why they needed the extra year. So far, we could've gotten everything they've shown us in one year. What was all of that used for?
>>26970194
friendly reminder that the "shitty washed out models" are based on the official art
>>26970222
Making the actual game? Planning out the story, making an entire region, creating new Pokemon, etc.
>>26970257
They've done all in one year from the last game released.
>>26968691
Most of you niggers would not even be able to tell what engine what game is built with. It's very easy to mimic behavior of one engine with another, especially when it's an in house engine.
>>26968800
>Same gen
>Gen1 and Gen2
>Same gen
What the fuck?
>>26957151
This looks great to me, quit bitching.
>>26970264
No they havent. They started XY when BW came out.
>>26957151
They did make one key change though. Whenever a Pokémon is encountered, it plays an animation instead of just being in the idle animation
>>26957852
And yet no one bats an eye when literally every fish in the game starts swimming in midair every time they're sent into battle
>>26970264
They didn't do all that for ORAS. The plot was already done. They already had the entire region map, they just put that straight into the XY engine with XY's textures. They only had 20 new models to make.
>>26970417
I noticed that but I couldn't remember if they did that already or not.
There was a little more than a year between B/W 2 and X/Y, your argument is invalid.
>>26970417
So it's like a 3d version of Emerald/4th Gen
Neat
>series is going to shit
>>26970254
that doesn't necessarily mean they're good
>>26970661
>gen 1 has tall grass
>>26970661
>>26971760
A building in gen 1 is as big as 2 Reds on top of each other
>>26971796
Also, going by >>26971760 , Red is as big as a fucking tree.
>>26971400
Sugimori's art is what's canon, deal with it.
>>26971857
Shall we color compare the dream world art, anime, and merchandise? I'm not going to do it.
>>26971890
>>26971890
>>26961824
You do realize that if you saved that image right now to your computer it would say .jpg
.jpg proves nothing
>>26961495
....most birds, humming birds not included, can't flap wings and float in place either. Have you ever seen a real bird fly?
>>26971977
But anime Machoke > artwork Machoke
>>26971979
it's not the file extension that's the problem, summerfag
>>26961219
NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS, AUTISMO. Go blog elsewhere.
>>26961824
Mobile browsing accounts for 30-50% of all web browsing. Get with the times Grampa.
>>26972000
It literally doesn't matter which one is better, the anime version isn't canon
>>26957192
>this allows for more
No, it doesn't. Pokemon is a high-budget fucking game. Effort doesn't mean we'll get less content.
The fuck is wrong with you people?
Why the fuck would they change the models? What a complete waste of money that would have been.
>>26973299
>Small company with only 81 employees
>high-budget
>>26973588
Yes, high budget. Pokemon is a billion dollar industry.
>>26973588
>Small company with only 81 employees
http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/company/about.html
:^)
>>26973595
And that money is split between Game Freak, Nintendo, Creatures Inc., and The Pokemon Company.
Pokemon is a million dollar franchise, but the company that develops the games is far from rich.
>>26973640
>but the money is split
You're a fucking retard drawing non-sequitur
>>26973629
Buddhist heracy
>>26973299
Honest question, how old are you?
>>26957381
Have you not seen Blastoise?
>>26973809
It can be a dishonest question and it would still not matter. It wouldn't make me wrong
>>26974151
So I take it you've never had to work on anything with a deadline that wasn't a highschool essay?
Why on Earth would you put your design team to recreate assets that are perfectly fine(seriously, look at the fucking meshes) just to appease autists who don't know the difference between a texture and a wiremesh? I do not understand your reasoning. Why would you waste so much time redoing 700 Pokemon?
What is the budget for Pokemon since you clearly know?
>>26973640
>GameFreak
>not rich
I sincerely hope you're joking.
