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Alright people, it's that time again. Post opinions that are/you feel are unpopular, bonus points for reasons, extra bonus points if you make new ground with a convincing argument. To start off:
>The fact that HGSS had the development time for both voltorb flip/pokeathlon but couldn't fix the damn level curve is outrageous. Is it tolerable? Yes. Does this make it okay? Not even slightly.
>Super training is one of, if not the, best feature this generation. While horde training is faster, it's nice to play through the story without having your team gimped in the late/post game because it has a tonne of defense EVs from when graveler provided the most exp.
>Johto in all generations had terrible pokemon distribution, the stats of most pokemon are deliberately gimped, and the evil team is extremely underwhelming
>XY is the worst pair of games. It manages this while having decent new pokemon, and not completely fucking up the introduction of a new type which is rather impressive. The gym leaders, the trainers, the rivals, the E4, the champion, the evil team, the cafes and most of the music is poorly implemented/designed, and largely forgettable.
>The physical/special split of Gen 4 made more pokemon viable that any other change Game Freak has ever made, including tweaking the stats of pokemon. Totodile, absol, Swampert, Blaziken, the Hitmons, Crawdaunt, Flareonif you used it in TR like I did... the list goes on.
>While all the foo lions are well designed, Suicune is the least aesthetically pleasing in my opinion.
>The entire Chikorita line vaguely hurts to look at.
>The majority of 'unusable' pokemon are not actually unusable. Eevee's evolutions, Medicham, Chestnaught, Galvantula, Standard Gardevoir, Froslass and Mega Glalie are all pokemon I've seen accused of not being useful simply because they can't sweep a team by themselves 50 percent of the time.
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>>26948976
>Psychic type does not need, nor deserve a buff. It is nowhere near as weak as people make out. Jynx is a piece of shit because of Jynx's terrible stats and ability, stop using it as an example. We don't want a repeat of Gen 1.
>While Ice type is underpowered, ice pokemon shouldn't be overlooked on team basis. Weavile, Froslass, Mega Glalie, Abomasnow, The Iceberg Cometh and Articuno are all examples of very useable pokemon. Though a resistance/immunity to fairy wouldn't hurt I guess.
>Gen 6 was the easiest generation. Whether it went too far or not, that's debatable, but there is not a single game in the series that is easier than XY.
>Mewtwo isn't that great, and it's new changes each generation don't complement it. Deoxys has been the cooler concept since Gen 3.
>It is inexcusable that castform doesn't have a sandstorm form.
>Trick room is vastly underappreciated for the amount of havoc it can cause.
>Rampardos is actually a rather decent pokemon
>For a character based on Audrey Hepburn, Diantha is fantastically bland. Did I say fantastically? I meant depressingly.
>Everything Shauna does hurts
>Hoopa is the most disappointing generation pixie. Still cool, but meh.
>The fame checker was a really nice touch in FR/LG
>Goldenrod really doesn't do that much for me. It's eh.
>The fact that an alternative way to evolve pokemon other than trading is annoying.
>The only bad flying sprite is Xatu, who should stick his feet back on the ground. Tropius for instance is arguably better.
>I like the majority of the arbitrary singular ice locations in the pokemon games
>Magmar looks better than electabuzz, likewise Scyther looks better than Scizor.
>There is nothing wrong with Mt Coronet.
>The lack of in game mini quests for event pokemon is mildly frustrating for new games.
>FRLG would have been better to release on the nintendo store rather than the Gen 1 versions.
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>>26948994
>Giving toxic only to poison type pokemon would be retarded as fuck.
>The majority of the people who think abilities given to Megas by gamefreak are bad are the kind of idiots who would give sap sipper and huge power to everything.
>A 4 times weakness to grass is far more crippling than a 4 times weakness to fire. Looking at you, Gen 1 fossils.
>Metagross is not a terrible pokemon simply because he lost two resistances. He still rapes most of the metagame, including bravest bird.
>While the genies aren't overpowered, their counters are limited and not as powerful as they could be, making it hard to deal with them, especially when you consider the annoying sets they use.
>The only Gen V mon that could use a mega is darmanitan, simply to use it's zen concept a bit better
>Castform could use a mega, as long as it still resembles a boob cloud.
>Using 'underpowered' pokemon in a battle is highly utile simply because your opponent can't usually predict what set you'll use on it.
>Smeargle's design and concept is wasted on being a generic status spammer.
>If litten is halfway decent, it will be the only cat pokemon that is which is disappointing for 7 generations of pokemon.
>Yes, it is gen 7, go fuck yourselves.
>Ariados and Galvantula are awesome pokemon.
>I would be more hyped for a colosseum style game than a main series game, simply because it's been so long.
>The sound/cosmic type ideas are extremely retarded.
>The idea that Solgaleo and Lunalaa are the 'wrong' types are also retarded. Especially seeing as the solgaleo argument basically involves repeatedly saying the sun is made of fire over and over again.
>The obsession with 'lolis' in the game series is bizarreespecially considering the porn of the older ones is much better.
>>26949011
>The pikaclones are tolerable at the very worst. Arbitrarily awful water type pokemon is the far worse tradition to complain about.
>Gender exclusive evolutions and pokemon in general are fucking annoying. Especially when you manage to get an adamant 31 atk IV ralts in a nuzlocke, and can't use it as a gallade because it's female.
Go
That's a lot of opinions, anon
>I absolutely hate Talonflame's design because it fucked up Flechinder (the best midevo alongside quilava) so bad.
>I'm genuinely pissed off that Jolteon isn't the most viable eeveelution
>Grumpig has a neat design. Still kinda forgetable
>Blaziken is shit
>HGSS is worse than GSC
>>26949154
>I absolutely hate Talonflame's design because it fucked up Fletchinder
AGREED SO HARD. I didn't evolve Fletchinder until after 50, I loved the mid bird so much. Its a top tier design ruined by its shitty older brother.
In terms of game:II > V > IV > III > I > VI
In terms of Pokemon designs:VI > IV > I > II > III > V
>>26948976
I didn't saw anything wrong with Magearna.
Why such hate?
>>26948976
>>26948994
>>26949011
I dont agree with everything you said, but you still made very good and thought out points. Excellent OP. Some of those arent exactly unpopular though.
Well, mine here:
The only flying model I actually love is the one people seem to hate the most, Xatu. Before I learned all of them were like that, I absolutely loved the idea of a flying pokemon that decided to keep itself afloat with it's psychic powers instead.
Goldenrod's HGSS music is far better than the original. So are both GSC's and HGSS' bike music. HGSS in general has excellent music, and the third best in the series.
I dont get the idea that Johto is bland, just because it doesnt beat you over the head with it's diversity. It has an ice cave, an autumn route, a cliffside route, a lake with different levels of water, rainy routes, and a snow capped mountain. There's a farm, a well and a National Park.
I love Gen V;s asthetics and find Unova's overworld to be the second best in the series. (HGSS is first but that's less unpopular.) I love the dull colours of the region and it helps make the region distinct.
Barry is a bad rival. He failed at everything he tried to do. his idol Crasher Wake rejected him and he was never strong enough to enter the Gym Leader bar at the Survival Area. Hugh was a great rival. He was a friend, but not a completely nice guy, and had his own goal, which he succeeded at. He had development too.
Lastly, the idea that the pokemon world mirrors our own 1:1 is a horrible theory, and the "Gen 6 is another timeline" theory is worse.
>>26949351
>Gen 6 is another timeline theory
Theory? It's literally confirmed in ORAS that Gen 6 takes place in a universe separate from 1-5 because 1-5 lacks megas.
IVs should be gotten rid of completely and therefore there should be no need for sims or hacking. You literally only need to breed for natures and moves, which is less than 6 eggs at most. Then doing EVs is as simple as doing a bunch of minigames or horde battles.
EVs should only be as visible as it is now
>>26949384
It "confirmed" that the remake is not in the same timeline as the originals. Something that is the case for every remake. Everything else was people going overboard with the simple statement.
Also, the idea that Gen 6 is separate is a fan thing that directly contradicts the writer for XY placing it in the same timeline as Gens 1 to 5. And I'll probably accept his canon faster than /vp/'s headcannon.
>>26949460
Except you meet Mr. Bonding in ORAS and he goes to Kalos to spread O-Powers.
Except the tree in Sootopolis is from AZ.
>Kalos is the comfiest region ever made but I'm having good expectations about Alola
>the transition to 3D models was necessary to the series and the realism in these is far more convincing than any of the sprites we got in Gen 5
>I never understood Eevee's popularity, in fact its stupid Am-I-kawaii-enough-uguu face is the reason why I don't like it
>>26949482
Yes, so ORAS is in the same timeline as XY. I never said otherwise. I know both of those. And the guy who swims to Kalos.
>>26949511
>so ORAS is in the same timeline as XY
Making XY in a different timeline from RSE?
>>26949524
That timeline was posted before ORAS came out.
It's now out, and has connections to XY
It also states that it's in a different universe than RSE
Obviously, that means it replaces RSE there, like all the other remakes do.
That's the most simple explanation and I'm not sure why everyone wants to over complicate it.
>>26949553
It doesn't REPLACE it, it's separate from the original.
A version of XY exists where Megas were never discovered. This is the timeline that we played through between 3-5.
Versions of Red and Blue exist where Megas were discovered. This is the timeline that we played through in Gen 6.
And Gen 1-2 are contained to themselves.
Levitate should be a passive attribute on the level of "makes contact" or "sound" for most pokemon that float and not take up a moveslot. Something like Magneton should obviously not be affected by earthquake while Gengar should keep Levitate as an ability, taking up that ability slot.
>>26949580
I know all the theories already, I just stated I think they're dumb.
There's also the people who put XY before ORAS that make me realise a big chunk of the people who support this timeline dont know what they're talking about.
>>26949599
That sounds like it would make several pokemon broken. Though I'm no competitive expert.
>>26949454
There should be skill-based training. Some kind of "Dynamic mode" where accomplishing certain feats or meeting certain metrics will give you different EVs.
>>26949154
The best mid-evo is Grovyle.
The story in Pokémon is absolutely worthless, and even if it did get good writers, it would make no difference.
The only significant loss ORAS suffered was the Battle Factory. All the other facilities were pretty meh.
gen 5 had among the best designed pokemon in the series
pokemon following you is a pretty bland feature and I wouldn't care if it never came back
not actually that unpopular now that I think about it but pokemon having visual difference depending on gender is really cool, and I hope GF makes it more prevalent in sumo
this series needs to end
not an opinion butpokemon made me a furry
Pokemon should've ended at Gen IV.
I actually liked pokestar studios
Gen IV is as good as I and II, if not better.I started with Gold.
>>26950841
I like gen IV and everything it brought, except for the slow as jewel system
>>26948976
Wait, is it unpopular opinion that X/Y were the worst? Because I'd agree, and nothing else even comes close. I don't know if the worst part was the shitty rivals/friends you had ingame, or constantly getting mega-evolutions shoved down the players throat. Or the fact that it has the most forgettable region despite having way more potential than ever before with 3D graphics... or the fact that the gym leaders are equally forgettable, barring Clemont (because anime) and Korrina (because of her fucking Lucario) but there really was just nothing that made them worth going back to. I tried replaying X and gave up before I even hit the first gym.
Anyway:
> I thought Chespin was fucking hideous but ended up picking him anyway because I actually like Chesnaught more than Greninja/Delphox
> I was fine with XY's relative lack of new pokemon, since 90% of the pokemon I liked from BW were found in a single area anyway
> The idea of going back to Kalos in SUMO is the only time I've ever been put off by the concept of revisiting a region
> ORAS were great. Certainly not the best, and the lack of a battle frontier was heartbreaking, but revisiting Hoenn was nice and soaring was something I've wanted in the franchise since I started playing back in the GSC days.
> We don't need following pokemon back, as cool as it was, it wouldn't make sense in a 3D environment
>rivals should be neither mean-spirited assholes, nor friends who worship you; Hugh and Barry make good rivals for this reason
>Trubbish/Vanilluxe/Klinklang are decent designs
>Megas were an interesting concept that could have been used to make weaker mons viable, and they did not need to replace cross-gen evolutions
>ORAS was fine in its own right, but suffered from following RS too rigidly
>>26949690
There are a ton of guys who can get new light in single competitive play with a change like that or can get huge boosts from floating without the need for a used up ability or typing. Imagine a magneton you can switch in at any time
>Roguish Stones was a mistake
>>26950896
Hugh is indeed great
>>26950873
I dont mind Kalos having 72 new pokemon but I wish the pokedex was smaller
The only thing wrong with g6 is the game pacing. Exp share and lack of opponent's growth leads to a very dull progression experience. A notable example is from ORAS, between Cosmo Falls and the bird gym, the boss level only increased by 6 levels. This included 5 magma/aqua admins, 3 gym leaders, and a rival fight. If you keep the exp share on, you will have your entire team at least 10 levels higher than bosses.
The exp share and exp all from prior generations feel exponentially better to play with as it encouraged smarter play. You needed to battle smart and have a good team comp, because you were never overleveled and you couldnt cheese. You needed to look for battles as opposed to avoiding them, as if you didnt grind, your team would fall behind.
'Just turn it off' isnt an excuse because both the old exp share and exp all were fun to play with and added fun gameplay.
>>26950605
The RPG one was pretty neat.
>>26951339
>'Just turn it off' isnt an excuse because both the old exp share and exp all were fun to play with and added fun gameplay.
Maybe this is just me, but I rarely used the old exp share/all. The games were already easy without them, so I hardly ever found a reason to.
What encourages smart play is choosing to turn it off in XY. I turned it off the moment I got it on my second playthrough of X, and it got to the point where the regular trainers started posing a threat. To be fair, I caught most of my team members early on, but in any other gen I could do that and the game would still be just as easy. Hell, I end up getting two or three team members really close together practically every time I plan a team, and X was the first game to actually punish me for doing so.
>>26953031
I experienced the opposite. XY and ORAS were pretty easy for me and no other game felt easier, and I never used the EXP Share more than once or twice and had no trouble with most of the trainers.
I'm currently playing through HGSS and FRLG and lost to Misty, Bugsy and Whitney. I didn't lose to any Gen 6 leaders and only Clemont and Winona gave me a bit of trouble. Neither Champion did either. And that's without the EXP Share.
>>26954506
bugsy i'm not too sure of, but if you think about it: starmie used to be OU for ages until power creep settled in, and fucking rollout
>>26954563
Bugsy got me with his crit machine Scyther and when I went to Ilex Forest to train I forgot silver who proceeded to also beat me. I was at Alazea for a while.
But that's nothing compared to fucking Whitney, I was literally at a point where I was under the impression that it was not possible for me to win, literally everything I did was countered near immediately. Especially when Clefairy Mimic'd Sand Attack. Ended up winning because Tickle on Aioom, but not before she used Super Potion TWICE.
These sort of stories are not ones I can think of when I think about Gen 6 battles
>>26954628
*Apiom
I also regret training up Togepi, since Togekiss is apparently post game. I always thought it was one of the Pokemon added to the Johtodex.
>i used emboar
>Gen 3 easily has the best and most astectically pleasing starter.
>Likewise, gen 3 probably had the best new pokemon
>most of the gen 4 pokemon are bad, apart from most of the poison types
>Gen 1 designs were incredibly boring, and gen 4 was the only gen where most the pokemon were over designed
And finally
>I hate, HATE the gen 4 starters
>>26954638
if you win the bug contest you can get a shiny stone
>>26954678
That's post-National Dex. So is the Pokeathelon prizes or I'd just use that.
>>26954666
I think Gen 3's Pokemon are generally lame, butbagrees on the beat designed starters
>>26954628
You were shit at the game then. Now you're marginally less shit.
Silver is easy as shit.
>>26948994
Talk about good ice pokemon.
Leave out mamo swine
10/10 made me reply
>I think Quilladin and Chenaught are great pokemon.
>Following pokemon were never really that interesting and the feature is completly outclassed by Amie, which feels more interactive and actually affects the way the pokemon fight.
>The leap to 3D was a great choice and the models aren't as bad as /vp/ makes them out to be.
>I actually don't care about the "handholding" the new games have going on, it'll help an even younger demographic get into Pokemon, which is great. Yes, the first gens didn't have these features, but then again they were riddled with programming bugs.
>Just because you wasted hours of your time breeding for perfect IVs like a retard doesn't mean that anyone who wants to get into competitive is forced to do it as well.
>By that matter, I think injecting pokemon to fight competitively is alright if they have legal stats and sets.
>I actually think asshole rivals are more annoying than buddy-buddy rivals. At least the friendly ones realize you're way out of their league and help you out in the story.
>I think the Trubbish and Vanillite lines are cute and well-designed.
>Finally, I think Emboar is the best out of the 3 Fire/Fighting starters. Infernape is alright. I never understood how people can bash designs like Greninja and Samurott when fucking Blaziken exists.
>>26949154
>Grumpig
YES! SOMEONE REMEMBERED MY FAVORITE
>>26954743
>then
>I said I played it after XY
>>26950896
I also liked Cheren, he wanted to prove he was better than you.
>>26954848
>all that shit taste
I'm sorry senpai, I really am, I never say this, but Kill Yourself
>>26954848
I feel strongly against half the stuff you said, but also for half of them
>>26949853
Is that supposed to say haunter or sliggoo?
>>26948976
>In XY, the gym leaders, the trainers, the rivals, the E4, the champion, the evil team, the cafes and most of the music is poorly implemented/designed, and largely forgettable.
I definitely agree with this. All the supposedly important trainers barely get any exposure outside of your battles with them.
You'd think after giving each Champion a role in the story ever since RBY, they would've made Diantha show up more than twice and do something before the E4, but nope. All we knew is that she was a movie star, like that'll make us give a fuck about her.
Also, Platinum had us interacting with the Gym Leaders in the overworld. Black and White took it a step further by having us interact with the Gym Leaders at plot points when we arrive at their city. I don't know why that stopped with XY other than Korrina and Wulfric.
>>26954848
I feel like Barry is probably the best rival for this reason. He doesn't pretend he's better than you right after you whop his ass, but he doesn't suck your cock like other friendly rivals do.
>>26954848
I honestly don't care about Amie in the slightest. I forgot it existed despite owning the game, went to it for a few minutes and never went back.
>>26949351
>Hugh was a great rival...
This. I'd argue he's one of the best rivals. The only thing I don't like about him is that half his team is a clone of Cheren's. He's like a friendlier version of Silver
Which brings me to:
>Silver was a shitty rival with actions inconsistent with his personality, particularly in G/S/C.
He says he only wants strong Pokemon, but he raises a Zubat and a Gastly at low levels. Anyone who rejects weak Pokemon wouldn't have the kind of patience to raise them. For being anti-Team Rocket, he doesn't do anything significant to help you beat them and stupidly battles you when TR took over Mahogany Town and the Radio Tower. And even after he's realized he's an asshole, there's really not much evidence of redemption for him.
>>26949011
>>The only Gen V mon that could use a mega is darmanitan, simply to use it's zen concept a bit better
I just want it to gain recovery while staying in zen forme.
>>26957625
Think of it in the perspective of the game designers. Trying to have 700+ individual animated 3D models that will follow the player seamlessly along a 3D landscape seems very unnecessary to put in the game's memory. In a game where you collect and customize your characters, and that needs to be affordable to kids, memory is an important thing to save up on.
So unless you want to limit this feature to a few small to medium-sized Pokemon, having them follow you around isn't viable like it was in Gen IV.
>>26948976
I think Amie should be more and more enchanced-
instead super training we have now there should be fun 5 minigames that not only boost hapiness and bondning but also EV.
>Only a full bond with Pokemon allows it to Megaevolve
>Amie perks should be in Online play as they enchance the fun, but they need to cut their powers a little.
>People say EV are horrible, while I think the natures need a complete remake to make each pokemon behave different in battle.
>>26957794
You don't care about your bros?
I'm still buttmad that we didn't get a full Mystery Dungeon anime
>>26957947
He has a Acrobat that only evolves by friendship. It was a very clever way to show is growth without outright saying it. They made the gameplay tell the story. That, and he battles with you against Clair and Lance in the Dragon's Den. He's pretty good in my opinion.
>>26958160
Oh sure, I'd talk to them when they follow me well enough, or give them haircuts, but Amie just doesn't look interesting at all. Sorry bros
Here's a terrible one that I'd love to see:
More than two types.
Hell, don't even stop at three.
Give them as many as applies.
And then I'd wish they'd go back and retcon all kinds of typings.
Feraligatr > Water, Dragon, Dark
Hydreigon > Dark, Dragon, Flying
Arbok > Poison, Dragon
Lake Sprites > Fairy
Celebi > Grass, Fairy
Just hand them out all willy nilly.
>>26950896
>"ORAS was fine in its own right, but suffered from following RS too rigidly"
They could've afforded to redesign the cities and routes more. The cities didn't translate to 3D very well when compared to Kalos, and just made most of them look really small and bland.
>>26949154
>>I'm genuinely pissed off that Jolteon isn't the most viable eeveelution
What's wrong with it because the very limited move pool?
>I hate Bidoof's design. I don't think it s cute at all, it just looks stupid like shit. Bibarel is even worse.
Following pokémon was retarded. Period.
>>26958379
Fucking kill yourself.
>>26958409
I actually found the cities were done well. The ones that didn't work (Odale, Venandurf, whatever the hot springs one is called) only sucked because they always sucked.
Although ORAS made me realize that Hoenn managed to be more square than Johto both times despite coming out after Johto both times.
Sugimori style + 3D models= A SHIT.
>>26948976
Agreed with you up till you said you didnt like suicune and chikorita line
