>>26794752
You could go special if you really want to use your karenmon without dd

>>26794752
Refresh+Roost is pretty gureto desu.

>>26794773
What would be my other moves?

>>26794752
Use Smogon to look up sets, and despite what anyone tells you, don't actually use Cotton Guard.

Special Attacker and Support are good fits if you don't want to use M-Alt as an MVP sweeper

>>26794793
Optimally DD and Return, but you can go for Return + EQ as well. Dragon Dance lures in T Waves, Toxic and WoW.

Actually Heal Bell >>> Refresh, always. Don't know what I was thinking.

Had some success using DD, EQ, Return, Roost. Atack and Speed investments. Adamant or Jolly nature.

You could use Substitute instead of EQ I guess. I've seen people use that.


One of the smogon sets suggests roost, hyper voice, heal bell, EQ or flamethrower. I wasnt crazy about it though.

meme team variant

Mega Altaria
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature
- Return
- Cotton Guard
- Roost
- Heal Bell/Refresh

"I want to attempt to win" variant

Mega Altaria
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Double-Edge
- EQ
- Roost
- Dragon Claw/Outrage

>>26795147
The "I want to attempt to win" variant is pretty fitting because those EVs are absolutely terrible

>>26794772
Give it Giga Impact for shit and giggles

>>26794752
Altaria @ Altarianite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance/Fire blast
- Return
- Earthquake
- Roost/Dragon dance

>>26795158

Not for a double edge set. If you're running return then yeah you're gonna want jolly+speed EVs but eh

Anti VGC meta move set
Cloud Nine
Hp Water
Ohko Groudons who don't expect it.

>>26794773
Why not just go with heal bell instead of refresh?

>>26796132
See >>26794850

>>26796122
252+ SpA Choice Specs Altaria Hidden Power Water vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon: 168-200 (81.1 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I like the idea but sadly no.