>clefable
>OU
>wigglytuff
>PU
What went wrong?
Autistic statfags
>>26792206
I think the real answer is in the ability capsule. It gave us magic guard+Soft boiled.
Also bulk
Clefable has always been better, even back in RBY it had a good move pool
>>26792217
>objectivity = autism
>>26792206
Things that Clefable has that Wigglytuff doesn't:
>Two top-tier Abilities that are among the best ones in the game
>Higher BST along with a better stat distribution
>Calm Mind
>Reliable, instant recovery
So yeah, I hope that answers your question OP.
>>26792206
Higher Special and Speed, better defensive spread, access to better abilities and moves. Wiggly still has some good point like Normal/Fairy and Competitive, but Clefable is overall more useful.
>>26792224
You could still have Softboiled Clefable in Gen 4-5.
If a Gen 3 Pokémon had their second ability flag when they didn't have a second ability, if they were transported into Gen4-5, they would get the second ability upon evolving.
This was fixed in Gen VI, but as you said it had the Ability Capsule so it was a moot point.
Clefable's OU came exclusively from its type change, +10 BST in Sp.A and Moonblast being bretty gud.
>>26792298
Huh I didn't know that worked like that in Gen 4-5
>>26792320
Yeah, I just used it to get a Mimic No Guard Machamp in Gen IV.
(Using Mimic to teach it Sheer Cold via the Rage glitch, fuck Battle Tower/Battle Subway)
>>26792352
Kek that's pretty cool anon
>>26792352
What happens if you transfer it to gen 6?
>>26792206
M-Wigglytuff
Gets Adaptability for stab Normal and Fairy moves, plus +30-40 attack, def, and special.
Fixed?
>>26792376
Can't. Bank blocks illegal move combos from Mimic glitched. It won't block aforementioned Clefairy/Clefable though.
Bank also let my Wish Chansey and Extremespeed Zigzagoon through (both taught those moves via the Mimic/Rage glitch). So that was neat.
>>26792432
I'm a bit of a Smogon player, And it just bothers me when people use wish Chansey when 20 people have only gotten it legitimately, and then didn't evolve it into Blissey. I don't care using it to make shitmons viable
>>26792469
I only did it to see if I could.
People on Smogon consider it illegal, though, so I won't be using either. But yeah.
>>26792485
OU's the worst tier anyways
I've noticed the more I play, the more I start to like weaker and weaker Pokemon, i.e. Ubers as a child, then strongest non legends (OU), UU/RU ish?, now it's just shitmons NU/PU
Competitive pokemon killed pokemon
>>26792527
I know enough about Pokémon but I can never sit and design a proper team. Usually I just Randbat, RNG and breed awesome mons.
And honestly though, much like how 4chan is good outside of /b/, so is Smogon good outside of /OU/. Other metagames have more enjoyable fans and Smogon's WiFi community is non-hyperbolically the best Pokémon trading community I know. They miterally give away 5IV/6IV Pokémon daily.
>>26792271
/thread
For what it's worth, Jigglypuff has a weird niche in Triple Battles, where Perish Song is a lot more abusable than it is in other formats.
>perish song battle royale
Gen 7 can't come soon enough
>>26792584
I legitimately believe that if Smogon did not exist, Pokemon would have not received a sixth generation. It keeps an entire demographic involved in the game, churning out free advertising for the other ones.
>>26792912
Smogon isn't so big that it keeps up the entire series, Japan doesn't do Smogon and you still have millions of kids around the world who play as well
>>26792206
Basically everything.
>>26792912
Smogon has a few thousand people that play, but the series always breaks 10 million for new generations
>>26792206
One is in smash bros the other isn't
>>26792206
Clefable has better moves, better abilities and it's pure fairy
>>26792912
not to downplay smogon's role in how we see pokemon today but its not pulling that kind of weight
>>26792206
>being a smogon drone
>>26792912
Delusional
>>26792527
that fucking feel
>>26792527
I really dislike tiers below RU. Most hazrd control is in higher tiers so hazards end up doing a ton of chip damage over the course of the match.
