There are no bad Pokemon designs.
>>26783999
just stupid people.
>>26783999
%100 wrong
>>26783999
For the most part, I agree. I think there's a few stragglers here and there where you can make a case for them being bad, but at least 95% of them are fantastic, and they kick ass at allowing for a diverse group of appeal. It's nearly impossible for someone to not be able to find a design that they like.
>>26783999
The bad designs are <spoiler>the ones you don't like</spoiler>
Genies
>>26784449
I disagreenies
>>26784455
You are wrong
>>26784466
Prove it
>>26783999
Yes, adding a face to an item in your pocket is a brilliant design!
>>26783999
There are objectively only 2 bad pokemon designs, Pignite and Emboar.
>>26784477
It's a Japanese thing you idiot. Japanese folklore of sprites taking the appearance of everyday objects to fuck with people.
>>26784474
Literally the same ugly pokemon three times
this thing
>>26784497
That's not proof. That's you statingyour opinion
>>26784494
Just because it's based on a certain idea doesn't make the design any less lazy.
>>26784500
>>26784497
Still more unique than dugtrio , magneton and electrode
>>26784514
It would be fine if it weren't for those stupid leaf things sticking out of its ankles.
>>26784511
Klefki's ring isn't actually a permanent ring. It's two arms. That at least makes it a bit cooler.
>>26784511
Just because you say it's lazy, doesn't mean it is.
>>26784477
>adding a face
It's more than that though.
Also, at least they added a face, they didn't even bother with Honedge.
>>26784554
That's even dumber. It looks like a key ring that someone cut and stretched out. Useless garbage just like its design.
>>26784477
Where exactly are you getting a key ring that looks like that.
>>26784567
Nice argument!
>>26784571
Can you explain what more there is to it? Because I literally can't see anything more than my set of keys with a face. It's as if a designer of game freak was scrambling to meet a deadline and just put a face on the first thing he saw.
>>26784598
>>26784594
(the Klefki keyring doesnt count)
>>26784572
delete your account
>>26784572
>Klefki
>OU
>Useless garbage
OK
>>26784602
Oops, looks like you forgot you weren't on reddit. How about you stay the fuck there?
>>26784438
leave
>>26784497
I agree. I think they're hideous and the only reason people defend them is because one is frequently used competitively.
>>26784598
>Nice argument!
Well, I was literally copying your argument. So right back at ya.
I don't know why /vp/ never learns. These dumb threads always have someone proclaiming some design is shit, then they go on to post super subjective reasons as to why it's bad, and completely fail to ever make even a hint of a compelling argument as to why it's shit. I'm not just gonna accept something's bad because you say so. If you're going to claim something, prove it. Back it up. Otherwise what your saying is worthless.
>>26784612
>thread is about designs
>talks about competitive usage
Whoops, looks like you forgot to take your Ritalin again anon.
>>26784615
(You)
>>26784438
>still doing his spoiler bait
>>26784642
Right. So are you gonna try and back what youre saying up, or just post silly le condescendingxD reaction images?
>>26784477
I think Klefki is fine. At first I was like wtf is that...? But it grew on me once I found the lore and stopped caring if inanimate objects become Pokemon. I mean they're pocket monsters and animals. Plus Chandelure is bad ass and I like the Vanillite line. Fight me.
>>26784658
*not animals
Sorry mobile sucks.
>>26784658
There's nothing wrong with inanimate object Pokemon, if they're done right that is. Klefki is not, and looks lazy as fuck.
Every Pokemon has its own charm except for a majority of 5th gen Pokemon. The whole Dex was hit or miss
>>26784664
Got it. So you can't prove what you're saying, and we should all just ignore your opinion.
>>26784658
I agree, I particularly like Chandelure.
>>26783999
You must have forgotten about these OP
>>26784671
Idk. How else would you design a fairy keyring? I think it's passable. More so than muk or garbodor.
P-plus Klefki is kinda cute...
Inb4 Youkai watch shitpost
>>26784712
I really looked through gen 3 just now and I don't think the swalot line is that great.. Other than that I can't say anything is bad at a design concept level.
>>26784712
I love almost all of these. There's only a select few that I really dislike.
>>26784712
>>26783999
Only if you consider Gen 5 as non canon, otherwise I agree.
>>26783999
While I'm inclined to agree, gen 3 REALLY pushes it.
>>26784712
Why are all the Hoenn colours so washed out
>>26784497
Therian forms are good...
>>26783999
ok satan.
>>26784534
Shes wearing a flower.
>>26783999
That's correct, Anon
'Bad design' is simply a phrase idiots use to describe Pokemon they themselves don't like, based on their incompetence to understand how to appreciate said Pokemon.
It's sad, really.
>>26784658
I want to be your friend
>>26783999
Sorry, but Garbodor exists.
>>26784497
They're more different than any other "palette swap" Pokemon at least.
>>26783999
Yes, there are.
>>26788982
>based on their incompetence to understand how to appreciate said Pokemon.
>tfw Samurott is literally an underwater warrior but people bash it because it isn't a land-based warrior with ocean skin
>>26789349
>shitting on yokai designs
A reminder to get a load of this and realize these are just as bad.
>>26784671
That's an opinion. You're stating it as though it is a fact.
>>26783999
Vanilluxe
Diggersby
Lucario
Checkmate
Objectivly, no. The way something drawn and how something looks often comes down to ones personal taste. Even if someone else's taste makes you wretch, assuming that you own taste is something that should be universal is pretty egotistical.
Designs are subjectively bad person to person and it can take time for them to grow on people.
Outside of a few legendaries and Stantler, I find I enjoy or at least tolerate mostly every pokemon.
>>26789761
> Aurorus
> Probopass
> Sigyliph
> Bad designs
Only with these three Pokémon your pic is meaningless
>>26784673
>Every Pokemon has its own charm except for a majority of 5th gen Pokemon. The whole Dex was hit or miss
Gen 4 was a worser offender for this. Even the monster quantity was worse.
>>26784869 (You)
>>26789865
Hey, no rational answers on MY /vp/! Out. Now.
>>26784497
I really like them. It's like they're brothers. Incredibly manly brothers.
It would be better if they could talk in-game though, just because of how anthropomorphic they are.
>>26789761
>Kyurem
Elaborate. I can kinda get almost all the rest, but this's my first time seeing somebody bash him.
>>26790024
>>26790195
Among lazy designs, there are some in that pic that only are because "are ugly". It is why that pic is ridiculous.
>>26790195
>but this's my first time seeing somebody bash him.
Not him, but that's surprising, Kyurem tends to get a lot of hate.
In general, people dislike the asymmetric, dilapidated design it's got going, and it's dull washed out colors- while thematic- aren't a saving point for a lot of people.
Personally, I love it for all of those reasons. I only have a minor gripe with the design, and it's the way it's tail connects at the base (it violates a principle in design work where you want an imaginary line to be flowing through the backbone and/or limbs). I do think it's shiny color scheme works a bit better though, having a lighter and darker grey act as strong contrast, which doesn't necessarily take away from it's themeing still.
>>26783999
Objectively incorrect
>>26789875
I'd argue that Gen IV had a unique and yet very pokemon aesthetic, whereas Gen V looks like a Level-5 expy of Gen I. Hell, even the gimmicks I thought were unique to the gen (like trading karablast with shelmet specifically to evolve them) turned out to have just been improperly implemented in Gen 1 (Gravler was supposed to be this for Machoke, hence Gravler losing a set of arms and gaining a dinosaur head, and vice-versa for Machoke). I don't think there's many designs from Gen V where you can't point to a very simmilar (and often more attractive/creative) counterpart from the older games.
>>26783999
Genies.
The trash bag and ice cream are fine. But the Genies can burn in hell.
>>26789761
I fixed your shitty pic. Try next time.
>>26790255
I feel like both your and other people's problems sort of tie into the concept of the pokemon, which is Mu (or something like the formless emptiness of Chaos, for those unfamiliar with Buddhism), and it's eventual functional Improvements upon the forms of Reshiram (Truth) or Zekrom (Ideals) on its absorption of them, or its "attaining enlightenment". I think knowing why pokemon look the way you do helps you like them, and I think this is true for a lot of pokemon (blaziken comes to mind).
>>26790304fixed
>>26789761
I'm normally a proponent for the majority of pokemon being designed amazingly well, but there are actually a couple here that I agree with.
>Elemental monkeys
I think the elemental monkeys are all extremely weak designs. Very contrived, ham-handed, clearly only serve an existance for a game mechanic with little thought put into them beyond that. They're weirdly bulbous and all have a really awkward center of gravity.
>Cobalion and Keldeo
They are pretty weak too, not as bad, but they give off very strange, random visual impressions. Cobalion in particular has these weird things hanging off of it that seem to contradict the rest of it's design, and it's rounded hooves make it look like it's wearing boots. Keldeo's alternate form is a lot better, but it's main form is very frail, weak and sickly looking which doesn't exactly make much sense given it's power and lore. Also more subjectively, it's whole hoove firing water thing is one of those idea that the design team had that falls under "yeah, it works, but is it really a good idea?".
A couple other designs here are fine but have a couple flaws that simple fixes would greatly improve them.
>Chesnaught
Not terrible, but a couple changes here and there would help the design out a LOT. I actually did a few minor changes to it, by shortening it's legs, taking away some of the stripes, and adding ears, and I think it looks pretty darn good if I do say so myself.
>Rhyperior
A matter of proportions. Shifting that around, I bet you could find one that looks great. Main issue is that Rhydon was already a pretty solid design, and they tried to go a different way with it, seemingly without having a solid idea of what they wanted
>Druddigon
Literally, I think if they just made the Blue to Red transition from it's body to head a gradient, it'd look fucking perfect. Real life lizards have that striking red head on blue body, and it looks great.
>>26790405
>I feel like both your and other people's problems
I actually fucking love Kyurem, with my only issue being that small part. I love the wretched, broken down look it as, almost as if even in it's husk of a body drain of 2 of it's forces, it's still powerful. It seems to imply that the original dragon would've been like M-Rayquaza levels of strong.
But I agree with what you said 100%.
>>26790434
Fuck you, Hydreigons fucking awesome.
>>26784712
The only bad one in there is Marshtomp.coincidentally, one of my Pokemon is Swampert
>>26790340
Wait, so why do so many people hate Garbodore? It's not my favorite, but I think it has a solid design. I think it's one of the better representatives of poison as a type (that aren't poisonous animals)
>>26783999
How much does Gamefreak pay you? Or do you suck their cock for free?
>>26790546
It looks like it has literal shit leaking from it. Trubbish is okay but Garbodor is disgusting.
>>26790546
Same people who can't understand that a design that's designed to intentionally look gross or repulsive isn't necessarily a bad design.
>>26790485
I don't like it because, whle the head-flowers from its prior forms head-buds are cool, the rounded body and vestigial back limbs are too weird to go seamlessly with such a genric "cool" dragon head, and I feel like there should be a little more balance between the many and secondary heads, as well as that the "vesigial head" mechanic could have been done better than just by giving them simpler designs and making them smaller.
>>26784712
I knew Chimeco was a legendary pokemon.
>>26790571
>literal shit leaking from it
Wut? It looks like cartoon-ish chewed up food at worst, and doesn't leave a trail of slime or anything.
>>26784712
>>26790615
Speaking of which, did anybody ever find out why Gamefreak felt they needed to add it at the last minute?
>>26790587
Wow, an actual post trying to make reasonable points and not just "hurr it looks stoopit".
Well mainly, I disagree, but I can understand what youre saying. A lot of these issues seem to come from GF trying to keep the design simple and impressionable enough, despite it's concept being a very complex one. Hydreigon seems to be one of those "either you love it, or hate it" types. It was like #54 or so on Japans poll (even after factoring in the bias towards event legends), and frequently appears on /vp/'s favorite pokemon type charts. I think it's strength's outweigh it's weaknesses though.
There are a couple small things I would change, though. I like the vestigial leg idea, but I would make it less dramatic. I'd still add digitrade joints, but leave it's feet flared off like it is now, that way they look functional. I'd remove the stripes on it's tail and belly, and just leave it as a plan blue. I don't think the tank tread thing really does much for it. Lastly, on each of it's wings, I'd add a small violet dot in a similar shape to it's iris, to further imply that the wings are "heads". That way, the violet would be use primarily as a highlight around each of it's head, drawing the eye to them.
My question is why argue about something so pointless? No one makes you play Pokemon yet here some of you are complaining about how you dont like how some of them look when you wouldnt even play with those Pokemon. No one is forcing you and you have a variety to choose from. Quit bitching or go play some shit else.
>>26790702
>The wings are "heads"
Holy fuck, this is a thing?
This actually makes the design make a lot more sense, but yeah, it wasn't nearly obvious enough. I think something like plue pods coming out of the ends of the wings akin to the heads would make the design much better, as the obviousness of these omni-directional "heads" would also justify the roundness of the torso, because it could get a sort of "sun and rays" appeal to it, with heads almost radiating out of the center. To each his own, though.
>>26784474
Double dubs confirm tho
