Which is better /vp/?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10507317
>>26775221
I like both, don't do this to me man. Nice thread, though.
I wish Gen 7 gives them great tools to make them relevant and a bit differentiated in play style.on top of making the duo of bruisers into a trio
Out of the two, Machamp is cuter
GF redistributes and adds to their BST. Machamp becomes more offensive and Conkeldurr becomes more defensive. Yes?
>>26775666
Ok Satan
>>26775221
I would say Konk has the advantage when it just comes down to coverage. that sheer force LO Poison Jab is huge when it comes to fairy killing.
also STAB Mach Punch is something Konk has that Machamp desperately needs.
Both disgusting pokemon.
>>26775945
Machamp gets access to bullet punch?
Machamp desperately needs a mega.
>>26775666
Satan's ideas are good.
Conk looks just like Kukui in OP's pic.
>>26775977
Give it 6 arms and i'm all for it.
>>26775221
Machoke >>> Conkeldurr > Machamp
>>26776007
Damn son that mega looks rad.
Conkeldurr, no competition. More viable, better concept, better design.
>>26775956
GTFO
>>26776007
>mega machamp
>lost gains
No
>>26776007
It needs to lose the belt though.
One of Machamp's entries says something about how the belt contains its power. I wanna see a mega where the belt disappears and Machamp basically goes full psycho Broly.
The six arms and that design are rad as fuck otherwise. Could do without the spiked bracelets though.
>>26775666
Machamp
HP: 90 (+20) -> 110
Atk: 130 (+20) -> 150
Def: 80
Sp Atk: 65 (-20) -> 45
Sp Def: 85
Speed: 55
BST: 505 (+20) -> 525
Conkeldurr
HP: 105
Atk: 140
Def: 95 (+20) -> 115
Sp Atk: 55
Sp Def: 65
Speed: 45
BST: 505 (+20) -> 525
Conkeldurr remains to have superior physical defense and faster in Trick Room. He retains Drain Punch and Mach Punch, both of which are still denied to Machamp, but Machamp now boasts a much higher attack and just a little bit more HP for a little more survivability.
Machamp is for all-out action while Conkeldurr is for longevity and defensive play.
>>26776916
Conkeldurr is better both physically and defensively with those stats anon
Conkeldurr is better on paper, with better physical defenses and Wide Guard and Assault Vest to deal with the special defense issue. Better at sustaining itself with Drain Punch and can give stab priority to your team. It's higher attack makes up for Machamp having a great stab
Machamp can use No Guard, which gives him a great stab and 100% confusion in Dynamic Punch. Stone Edge never misses. He also has Wide Guard AND Quick Guard. Assault Vest isn't as useful because no recovery. Priority Bullet Punch
>>26776970
>physically and defensively
Retard. Conkeldurr with those stats has inferior SPECIAL defense but with superior PHYSICAL bulk
>>26777497
but uses ASSAULT VEST so much better
>>26775221
Conkeldurr. It's more Pokemonified than an human with four hands.
>>26777911
Why? 85 special defense becomes 127.5 while 65 only becomes 97.5
Conkeldurr is more viable but Machamp won two worlds senior championship, so yeah
>>26778801
more hp + access to drain punch. AV is pretty much useless if a mon doesn't have some sort of recovery
>>26779526
We're still talking about the hypothetical stat changes >>26776916 right? Because champ would have better HP there.
And the point is to keep their niche somewhat more differentiated. You keep hitting hard with champ until you're worn down and outlast with conk
Cockledur is better
>>26779629
Cuckledump you mean
wouldn't machamp need two pairs of pecs?
>>26781442
wouldn't Conkeldurr need legs?
TIMB URRRRR
GURR DURRRRR
CONKEL DURRRR
HURR DURRRR
Neither
>>26781442
Yes, yes he would.
>>26781634
kys
>>26776087
>better design
>literally a steroidal clown with skipped leg day
Machamp is lifting all of 4chan up with only 2 arms, but Conkeldurr is lifting up all of Machamp and all of 4chan together with only 1 arm.
Clearly this means Conkeldurr is stronger.
>>26783286
But who's strongerin bed?
>>26776087
>better design.
>>26776007
That's a fuckin digimon
