>Th-the games were harder back then!
>Y-yeas I beat it using only my charizard with 4 fire moves, b-but they were super challenging!!!
>>26757071
The games were only challenging the very first time you played them since they were new and nobody knew what the fuck it was.
>>26757101
They were more challenging in the sense that they were much less forgiving, were more confusing, and there was less hand holding. The amount of help you get has increased with each game.
>>26757071
Honestly those arent even that bad of moves given most gen I pokemon learnsets and the tms available.
>>26757071
Alakazam was a motherfucker though.
>>26757071
Pokémon games have always been easy. The only people complaining about Sun and Moon's new convenient features are probably the same autists who make a big deal about Link being right-handed in the new Zelda.
>>26757114
>The amount of help you get has increased with each game.
I always thought this was only to help newcomers to the franchise
Yes we get it gen 1 teams sucked, can we please have people who make these threads banned now?
>>26757114
I will agree there was less help and more confusing, but "less forgiving"? How honestly do you quantify that?
All the games let you do the same thing to circumvent a lack of skill, and there are no real punishments for mistakes besides just losing a battle.
>>26757139
>can people who make pokemon threads on the pokemon board be banned please?
>>26757071
Pokemon games always were and always will be easy as fuck. I don't understand why autist try to argue this of all things.
>>26757071
inb4 squirtlefag
>>26757071
I don't understand why GF can't just implement a difficulty setting. It would please the hardcore fans while casuals could still choose the normal option if they wanted.
>>26757114
> much less forgiving
>R/B/G lose a battle
>lose some money and go back to the pkmn center
>ORAS lose a battle
>lose some money and go back to the pkmn center
The punishment for failure is the same as it's always been
>>26757071
>>Th-the games were harder back then!
They were, though.
>not normal stab on pidgeot, not even gust, quick attack or double edge
>using fucking whirlwind when it was completely useless in gen 1
>fucking leer, tail whip and fury attack on fucking rhydon, not even fucking stab at all when it could perfectly have eq/rock slide
>horn drill on a slow as fuck pokemon, which would fail if your pokemon were faster, rendering this rhydon literally useless
>again roar, same as whirlwind pidgeot
>fucking leer and ember instead of fire blast
>another no stab mon with useless moves
the only mons that COULD MAYBE give you some trouble are the starter and alakazam, and considering the fact you can heal forever, i really fail to see how "previous gens" were challenging
>>26757202
>using blizzard against a fucking blastoise
>seriously enjoying grinding
fuck off
>>26757197
You lose half your money in RBY, I don't know how ORAS calculates it but it will probably be less unless you're broke.
>>26757202
They really weren't. It only took longer to get levels before, which isn't difficulty, it's just tedium.
>>26757071
I gotta agree. I do turn the exp share off and then battle gym leaders under leveled which makes it more challenging.
I still win but sometimes have close calls.
>>26757283
Yes they were. If you needed to grind you were just shit at the game. News alert: levels are the way of setting the trainer's difficulty. That's the entire point of them existing. You're supposed to overcome higher level opponents and if you're grinding you're just shit at the game and using it as a crutch.
Also
>350% exp share
>free legendaries
>mega stones
>99% of trainers including gym leaders use 3 pokemon tops
>i-it's not easier guys!
>>26757267
>probably be less
You know, you don't sound too convincing if you do't even know yourself.
>>26757071
>listening to trolls
The thing they want is trigger actual and marter poke fans to feed them with posts like this
>>26757359
So the people who make the games are trolls? Because even they can admit they purposely make the games easier. Yet GF apologists somehow can't. I wonder why that is.
>>26757302
>News alert: levels are the way of setting the trainer's difficulty. That's the entire point of them existing. You're supposed to overcome higher level opponents and if you're grinding you're just shit at the game and using it as a crutch.
You do realize diantha's mega gardevoir is level 68, right?
that is the second highest leveled champ after alder, and considering the fact that he is postgame, she has the highest leveled mon of any champion overall
>Also
>>350% exp share
turn it off
>>free legendaries
dont use them
>>mega stones
again, dont use them
>>99% of trainers including gym leaders use 3 pokemon tops
has been a thing since b/w
>>i-it's not easier guys!
yeah, its not easier, stfu fag
>>26757305
I looked it up for you, you can't lose more than 12,000 so it's definitely more punishing in RBY.
>>26757071
>--
>>26757403
>99% of trainers including gym leaders use 3 pokemon tops
>has been a thing since b/w
And people complained back then
>>26757302
I never did level grinding though. I'm saying that it took longer to get levels in previous games. Don't read between lines that aren't there. And, no, the games were always at the same level of difficulty. There's always going to be absurdly broken options you can find in every game.
I recently marathoned my way through every main series game, and the older ones are no more difficult than the newer ones. You still get broken shit, the only difference being the EXP curve.
for what purpose
>>26757071
>>26757481
what happened to psychic being yellow themed?
>>26757071
The fucking highest leveled trainer in X and Y (black writ of challenge Diantha) uses fucking level up moves. You have a level 80 mega Gardevoir with fucking captivate and stored power with no boosting moves
>>26757071
Actually he had more moves than Serena's final battle
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Serena_(game)
1 of 2 trainers in game with 6 pokemon
>>26757753
And Dream Eater without Hypnosis.
>>26757071
Exeggutor having 3 moves gets me every time
>>26757403
>You do realize diantha's mega gardevoir is level 68, right?
>le turn it off and don't use them
THIS DOESN'T MAKE THE GAME NOT EASIER RETARD
You do realize the player is WAY higher than this by the time they get to her, right? Levels are relative.
>>26757403
The reason BW had 4 Pokemon is because we weren't supposed to know what the final Pokemon was going to be or evolve into
>>26757403
>if you go out of your way to handicap yourself to avoid things that make the game easier the game won't be easier
wow, how did you come to that brilliant conclusion anon? By this logic I guess no game is EVER easier or harder than any other game because you can just shoot yourself in the foot repeatedly until they're all equal! Brilliant!
>this dora the explorer game is just as hard as dante must die dmc guys, just close your eyes while you're playing
>>26757772
I agree posts like >>26757488 are dumb. The real reason Exeggutor is a joke is that it only has normal attack moves. Hell, having Roar and Whirlwind is worse than having 3 moves because it can make the AI waste their turn.
the older games were only harder due to the lack of an exp share like the newer games have
if RBY, GSC, etc had the same kind of share as XY/ORAS, then it wouldn't be hard at all
>>26757834
I just thought it was a funny picture man, I don't really care about the movesets.
>>26757202
If anything that makes it even worse.
If you can beat the champion's pokemon with your pokemon being so underleveled then it means the champion is complete shit.
The only really "difficult" champion so far has been Cynthia.
>>26757868
Sorry for making you a scapegoat
>>26757899
That's okay.
>>26757071
The original games weren't hard at all. I don't know why people pretend they were.
>>26757847
If by harder you mean "harder to grind out to high levels" I agree. The story, otherwise, was piss easy. I cleared the entire E4 with an average level under 40.
>>26757879
Does Ghetsis count?
>>26757987
I guess. But he isn't the champion, he's the final boss. N was the champion, techically, he just ran through the Elite 4 without any badges.
>>26757071
Pokémon has always been a easy game.
The original games were in fact more difficult, but that wasn't enough to make them difficult by themselves; only in comparison to the newer games.
>>26757576
Since when?
>>26758014
I feel like a big shift is in postgame content, BW2 had Cheren/Bianca/Hugh/Cynthia/Alder/Iris/Elite 4/Colress/N all having rematches, in postgame with items and 6 Pokemon. That doesn't even touch PWT
>>26758043
Only X and Y/ORAS
Gen 2/3/4/5 are all harder
