I believe I've confirmed the base hp. Thoughts?
>>26694902
They're always at 0iv and 0ev. You fuged up
>>26694919
>usually demo pokemon wouldn't have stat investment, but zygarde 10% wouldn't have survived the Dragon Claw without it.
>>26694902
This is a wild speculation, and probably unlikely.
But I wouldn't be surprised if it's real
So when did you realize you've outgrown pokemon, /vp/?
A few hours ago for me
>>26694935
We don't know the base stats for Zygarde's forms yet, so you can't claim that you know it wouldn't survive without stat investment. Just use the maximum HP and calculate what base stat would reach that at level 50 without IVs or EVs.
Fuck off tripfag
pretty neat that 10% Zygarde's base HP is 10% of the base hp that 100% Zygarde has.
>>26694919
Calculated their stats properly. Zygarde 10% has 65 base HP, Zygarde 100% has 227 base HP.
>post yfw 227 base HP
>>26694935
Are you retarded? Are you trying to claim something that can't be claimed without knowing its base def? Tripfags are cancer.
without investment, 10% would have to have a base 65 hp stat and 100% would have to be 227. No creativity or flavor there. It would be even more randomly accessed.
>>26694974
>Used 50% Defense stat
Are you guys reading at all?
Surely all the stats won't be the same, but 10% defense will probably not be any higher.
>>26694902
10% has 65 HP
100% has 227 HP
without investments
>>26694902
>he has to tripfag for this
Pathetic as fuck. You aren't even the one who started this shit. Fuck off. And theres no reward either, fucking summerfag
>>26695024
The obvious base HP is literally right in front of you, but you instead choose to got the awkward projecting way by assuming that defence somehow won't change, and assuming that GF will suddenly decide to give pokemon perfect IVs and EVs.
You are a whole new level of retarded.
>>26695012
>>26695024
>>26695032
at least some people can use DC
>>26695032
>>26695018
>I calculated off of 50%'s base defense
read this:>>26695024
>>26695012
read this:>>26694935
>>26695058
It's probably not going to be any higher.
There only two values it could be, logically.
also, read this: >>26694935
>>26695012
Used this to calculate Zygarde 10%'s Defence stat, based on OP's 18.4% HP survival. Zygarde 10% has anywhere between 115 and 140 base defence.
>>26694935
read >>26695112
Conveniently, Zygarde 50%'s base defence fits in that range, and that is calculated without stat investment. Can you not use basic maths? Zygarde 10% clearly can have survived.
>>26694902
We know for sure that Zydoge has 65 base HP, so if we assume it has the same Defense of 50% forme(base 121) this is what we got: 0 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 98-116 (78.4 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO.
10% forme survives with 23 HP, that's 18% which falls in our range, meaning that it could have the same defense of 50% forme
>>26695127
>Conveniently, Zygarde 50%'s base defence fits in that range
>Conveniently
Are you proving my point or not?
50% has 121 defense. Because it wouldn't be logical for the defense stat to be higher than 50%, are you telling me that the devs would lower it a whopping 6 points?
>>26695190
You're missing what I'm trying to say. You've assumed that Zygarde cannot survive without stat investment, and used this wild guess to calculate the stats. I've just proved that wrong, proving your HP values in the OP incorrect. The most likely change is that GF have lowered it (these types of incredibly low stat changes have happened before) or defence remains constant.
I think Zygarde10% has 100-105 base Defense
>>26694902
If you let the HP IV equal 22/23, it gives 10% a HP stat of 54, half of 50%'s 108, and 100% a HP stat of 216, double 108.
Kind of contrived but hey, it sounds cool.
>>26695232
Impossible. I made calculations: it needs at least 115 to survive dragon claw with 23 HP.
I think it's safe to assume it has 65 base HP and 121 base Defense( same as 50% form)
>>26695178
First of all they built the game, so they can edit the ivs and evs with less effort than you can.
65 base hp has been confirmed by source, because, like I just said, they CAN edit the stats.
Just because they haven't before, doesn't mean they can't.
>>26695229
It's a wild guess, because at base 18 :0 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 98-116 (125.6 - 148.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
18 and 65 are values that logicaly fit that hp stat.
I already said that they are most likely not INCREASING its defense stat, so they decided to buff its hp, "conveniently" giving 125 like in the picture.
>>26695335
>It's a wild guess, because at base 18 :0 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 98-116 (125.6 - 148.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>>26695032
10% - 65 HP
50% - 108 HP
100% - 227 HP
We can all agree that it will be between 180 and 227, right? I guess that like >>26695276 said, it will be closer to 216 as it's the double.
Also, now formes gain HP in battle, when megas couldn't. Do you expect any mega stat variation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeZ_8s_kWXg&feature=youtu.be
also, official, maybe it helps somehow
>>26695395
>from 125 to 5 HP goes to 167 of 287 HP
>>26695418
It's the first form change to modify the base HP stat.
>>26695362
Those stats are wrong because that Dragon Claw can't do 120 damage. Which is what it does in the video.
>>26695276
This pretty realistic, too.
but 65/227 base sounds so random, no dev would have decided on these numbers
>>26695362
If they wanted to give 18 hp, it would have fainted in that situation.
Your logic is so convoluted...
You're jumping all around the argument, without looking at the fact that if they wanted 18 as there base stat, the only logical number, they would have to do this in order to have it survive.
>>26695513
>but 65/227 base sounds so random, no dev would have decided on these numbers
what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
>>26695276
>>26695532
wew lad!
This might work!
Assuming all stats have zero investment like the HP of previous videos. And there is a neutral nature on both pokemon, then Zygarde 10% Defense stat is between 97 and 120.
>>26695513
>if they wanted 18 as there base stat, the only logical number
holy fuck you're serious aren't you
it's a legendary - i think viability comes before muh pretty numbers that nobody will ever see.
So the only way to use Perfect Zygarde is to use 10% Zygarde and nearly get it killed?
>>26695466
125 - 23 = 102. Not sure where you got 120 from.
The damage range is 98-116.
>>26695513
>but 65/227 base sounds so random
EPIC
>>26695546
I was talking about the no investment theory.
I'm saying when the board comes together and decides on a stat spread for an already existing pokemon with 108 in the stat, the first numbers that would come to their heads would not be 65 and 227
Also in >>26695395, zygarde yet again has 125 hp, receives a dragon claw from the mon, but:
(0 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 98-116 (78.4 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO)
It shouldn't have been brought down to 5 hp unless, we went with 115, the lowest it could have been( >>26695289 )
with either 65 or 18 hp and still obey the results of first video.
>>26695652
Yes the damage range in your calculation is 98-116. But in the video, Garchomp's Dragon Claw does 120. So your calculations are wrong. Zygarde 10% must have different stats than what you put.
>>26695733
Look at the video again. They start with 125 HP, and end with 23 HP. That means they did 102 damage.
>>26695178
>10% forme survives with 23 HP
No it doesn't, it survives with 5 HP. Watch the video again.
>>26695758
This image is taken as the ability of Zygarde 10% activates, turning them into Zygarde Complete. I'm not sure about what you think it says, but that clearly says 23 HP to me.
>>26695749
>>26695730
Lowest Def, with 65 HP, is 98 Def. That's assuming minimum damage in the new footage.
The ceiling for Def (with 65 HP) is 118 Def.
Oh shit imagine Zygarde100% with Weakness Policy
>>26695799
See
>>26695801
Your image is from the leaked video taken by a phone. Mine is from the official video.
Does Zygarde have any recovery moves?
>>26695851
The form change already recovers it.
>>26695828
Fair enough, did recalculations based on this. Assuming both videos are correct, Zygarde's new defence can range from 99 to 117, proving that the defence stat changes.
>>26695636
>legendary at 10% of it's potential
also, they did similarly with Phione, who has 80 in every stat as opposed to Manaphy's base 100
>>26695810
You are not reading.
Read that post thoroughly and look at the results of the two videos:
>>26695799
>>26695801
>>26695869
I mean beyond that, obviously.
>>26695884
Rest and Pain Split
>>26695872
No it's between 97 and 120. Which still yea proves that the defense is different from 50% Zygarde.
I think I figured it out guys
0+ Atk Zygarde Tackle vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Skarmory: 1222-1438 (450.9 - 530.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
seems accurate
>>26695898
97 would stop the damage from being able to reach 102. This also means that my previous calculations were wrong, though - Zygarde 10%'s actual potential defences are 114 to 120.
>>26695945
Oh yea I forgot about that screen shot you put.
>>26695874
Re-read. Defence stat can very possibly be 115-118 with HP being 65. I did in fact misread.
>>26695973
Although, if assuming for lvl 100, yeah, 115 Defence looks more likely if HP is 65.
>>26695973
And i'm saying that it could be 18 with a defense stat of 115-118 and max HP investment.
>>26696015
Gamefreak trailers never have EVs or IVs distributed to pokemon. Stop trying.
>>26696025
Are you saying it's impossible?
>>26696033
Yes. They never do it, and they have no reason to suddenly start now. If they were going to do it to make pokemon look more powerful, they'd've done it with Solgaleo and Lunala - which would give them pitiful stats.
>>26696033
It would be unprecedented.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THING'S BST
>>26696152
Assuming HP:BST ratio will be the same (it won't, but expect it to be similar), Zygarde 10% will have a BST of 341 and Zygarde Complete will have a BST of 1261. Obviously, these are a bit whack, but keep this in mind.
Looks to me that Zygarde 10% did like 60% to Metagross with those moves.
>>26695276
Considering that Gamefreak are lazy, I wouldn't put it past them to just bitshift the code around (multiply/divide by 2 in binary).
If you use a program and bitshift 108 to the right 1 place, you get a value of 54, giving your value for 10%.
ie. 108 >> 1 = 54
If you use a program and bitshift 108 to the left 1 place, you get a value of 216, giving your value for 100%
ie. 108 << 1 = 216
It is contrived, but Gamefreak are lazy.
>>26696191
>and Zygarde Complete will have a BST of 1261
>yfw GF actually makes Perfect Zygarde's BST 1200 (because 2x600) instead of 700-720 as was frequently predicted
THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT MIGHT ACTUALLY HAPPEN
>>26696486
There are 2 things that could come from this, if the bitshifting is true.
First: if 10% has 54 HP, it is possible that Gamefreak are also subtly showcasing +HP natures.
54 HP at lvl 50 is 114 without investment. If you had a +HP nature, the HP value would become 125.4. Because Pokémon deals in integer math and not float math, it takes the floor of it leaving it at 125.
Second, the difference between 287 and 125 is 162. 162 in binary is 1010 0010. The difference between 54 and 216 in binary is 1010 0010.
54 = 0011 0110
108 = 0110 1100
216 = 1101 1000
1101 1000 - 0011 0110 = 1010 0010
or
216 - 54 = 162
>>26696486
>>26696810
>typing "216" in the bst lookup table is less lazy than making bsts relative among pokemon via bitshifting
y'all are ridiculous
Even if Zygarde Complete might have Blissey tier HP I am still a little skeptical of the method of forme change though, it could have insane stats but if we need it to be at low health before regenerating at full then that basically forces it to use Focus Sash. The issue there is in 6v6 you'll have hazards and Zygarde 10% might not have great BST which can be abused, so if it's really what we see then I'm not sold on Zygarde 100% being this completely broken mess people (like myself) were hoping. Obviously we don't have every little detail but based on what we know I'm skeptical.
>mfw All these faggots in war for HP and other shit
Literally say hi for return of 1gen Formula with modified IV/EV/Atk/Def/AtkSp/DefSp/Speed
>>26696547
I mean... it'd be okay if it's like a panic mode, right? How would that relate to stat boosts? I think it's probably more right to think of the form change as kind of like atemporary boost when you hit low HP.
Honestly I find it hilariously over the top if it actually does end up having BST of 1200.
>>26695371
Mega Alakazam needs to have more stats as mega, they buffed some old Pokemon and Alakazam only got 90 stats extra as mega instead of 100 because they seem to forgot about it getting a stats buff.
It's base HP won't change. I guarantee it.
>>26696191
The main trait of Perfect Zygarde seems to be its high HP, the rest of its stats might just be small increases compared to 50% form.
>>26701340
Also a reminder that Perfect Zygarde has more stats on its Tretta chip than mega Rayquaza, not sure if it could indicate anything out its main game stats though.
MOVE OVER EVIOLITE CHANSEY, THERE'S A NEW WALL ON THE BLOCK
>>26695012
>in order to defeat mega fug we must become mega mega fug
>>26694935
We don't 10%'s defense tho anon
>>26696810
Why would bitshifting even make it any easier for them? I doubt they are programming in assembly.
>>26701689
We have a solid ball park
>>26695569
>>26697091
Pretty much this.
What do y'all thnk 100% Zygardes BSTs will be?
I'm thinking something like
HP 180
Atk 180
Def 125
SpA 180
SpD 125
Spe 110
for a 900 BST total tbqh
>>26695513
How is 227 base HP any more random than 108 already is?
>>26701917
108 is a pretty meaningful number for Shinto/Buddhist Japanese.
>>26701463
>Smeargle used powder snow
>>26696152
>>26696191
>yfw Zygarde 10% has Zen Mode that 10x its stats
>>26701938
It's not relevant to Zygarde, though.
>>26701955
With 227 base HP and 100 spd he actually lives through life orb mewtwos ice beam without investment.
>>26701917
It's not the actual number being random.
If zygarde always had always had 227 there would be no issue, but going from 108 to 227 is extremely random as there's no numerical correlation.
>>26701955
>Near Chansey HP with like 15x the defense and similar special
4x is small time to ridiculous HP and decent bulk.
>>26694902
I also need to update the OP.
Turns out the regeneration mechanic is even better than I thought.
People also predicted Clawitzer having 130 SpA and 100 defenses and Heliolisk having 120 SpA and speed.
They could have inflated the stats with perfect Ivs and Evs to make it appear more powerful and epic in its own video
>>26701956
1.5x is fine thank you
>>26702028
For all the people claiming that Pokemon are always uninvested in these videos, I've never seen anyone actually go back and look at any other videos to show Yveltal and Xerneas or anything like that which we were speculating.
>>26702028
None of those are even that far from reality, though. Clawitzer has 120 SpA, 88/89 defenses, Heliolisk has 109 SpA/speed.
>>26702001
Turns out your a fucking tripfag that should go back to whatever shitty site you came from.
>>26702548
>don't tripcode in a discussion thread based on your individual findings?
It's an anonymous name. Try following this conversation without looking at tripcodes.
It's why /b/ has IDs now.
You must be new to 4chan and conversations in general.
