Poke earth is so biased
>>26657486
wat?
Pokémon Earth is a interesting place.
>>26657539
>outdated references that Game Freak doesn't use anymore
kay
>>26657486
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>>26657520
There's no way Hoenn is that far away. Hoenn needs to be close to the Sevii Islands (since you travel to there in Emerald for event stuff) and Kalos because you can swim from Hoenn to Kalos as confirmed in XY
>>26657569
Surge is always going to be the Rightiningu America-jin.
>>26657539
It is pretty interesting, how different it is from our own?
Like Alola! It's cool how despite being inspired by Hawaii, there are half as many islands, in completely different positions!
Sure is cool for Game Freak to do that, instead of just making the Pokémon Earth 1:1 like this silly picture: >>26657503
Thanks based Game Freak!
>>26657589
Funny you say that. There's an NPC in B2/W2 who humorously talks about Surge being from Unova. A nod to his old description, and the fact that Unova takes inspiration from the USA. Obviously, Unova and America can't exist at the same time. That's be ridiculous.
>>26657583
Yeah I think they shit the bed pushing Hoenn that far out. It wasn't that far out in the original concept of the map.
>>26657621
>completely different positions
All pokemon regions have their geography roughly based on real-world locations, and all canon information about their relative locations matches up with their real-world counterparts, so it's only natural to assume that their relative locations will be roughly the same as in real life.
>>26657621
I dont think the positions are different, it's just the map is stylised to have the islands curved due to the curvature of the earth or something. People say this map isnt stylised which is pretty silly. It actually looks like pic related., I think
>>26657666
>all canon information matches up with real world counterparts
Not really, Unova is much larger than New York, and it's existence means that the landmass it's on will be completely different from America. Hoenn and Kalos are said to be close enough for a trainer to swim from one to the other. Even if this is an exaggeration, it's still implied to be close.
With the regions having differemt sizes, different shapes and different layouts, there's no reason to think they have the same positions.
>>26657632
I also still havent seen any confirmation that anyone took a train from Sinnoh to Kalos.
>>26657698
>all canon information about their relative locations
nice misquote
Regarding the size of Unova, I don't think the scale used in the games is actually canon, or are we to believe that a town in the Pokemon world really does only consist of three buildings?
Where was it implied that Hoenn is close to Kalos?
>>26657666
>all canon information about their relative locations matches up with their real-world counterparts
This is wrong. There's plenty of In-Game dialogue that completely rules out the idea of the Regions matching up to the real-world Georgraphy.
For example;
>Sycamore saying he took a train from Sinnoh to Kalos
>Wally connecting Unova and Kalos on his globe (granted this could be across an ocean)
>Sinnoh being described as directly above Johto, with Sinjoh shown on the minimap to enforce this
>>26657792
??? Sinnoh was never shown to be directly above Johto.
>>26657814
Sinnoh is repeatedly described as being north of Johto in HG/SS. Sinjoh is described as being between them, and is shown on the In-Game map as being directly north of the Lake of Rage.
>map thread?
>>26657844
What the fuck? I'm intrigued by this map, but I'd like to know the reasoning behind some of the Region placements..
>>26657830
Not directly, but in HGSS it is stated that the Sinjoh Ruins are in the mountain range between Johto and Sinnoh, and the map shows it to be above Johto, thus making Sinnoh in the north of Johto
>>26657830
"directly" was never implied. It just pointed northward, no implication of how far north. I never disputed Sinnoh being north of Johto. In real life, there is land between the areas that Sinnoh and Johto are based off. There's no reason to assume that land is not there.
>>26657844
This map works well. Even takes into account the Kalos/Sinnoh train connection
>>26657792
>Sinnoh north of Johto
Just like real life.
>Sycamore taking a train from Sinnoh to Kalos
I've heard this before, but what's the actual quote?
>>26657789
The scale of every region is off, but it's certainly still much larger than New York. In fact, I'd probably say the regions are actually larger than the scale implies.
I literally quoted you though?
>>26657792
WHEN DID SYCAMORE SAY THIS
Also, what are you talking about with Wally?
>>26657896
If you actually knew how to read you'd know that you quoted me incorrectly.
The swimmer says he swam from the oceans of Kalos, implying it's very far away. He's probably a very good swimmer.
>>26657854
Sinnoh has to be connected to Kalos because you can travel between both regions by train, but it also has to be in the same continent as Johto. Thus, Kalos, Sinnoh, Johto and Kanto are all one landmass, and Hoenn has to be near as well. This explains why Pokémon from the latter regions can be found in Kalos; Unova Pokémon could be explained as being introduced species.
Unova has very few Pokémon from the other regions and it is described as being "far from the others". It makes sense that it would be located in a separate landmass. Orre would be in the same continent, because it's very loosely based in Arizona/California and Unova is very loosely based in the NYC area. There are Pokémon of other regions in Orre because it's nearer to the other regions. Almia it's really just there to shape the region better.
Alola would be right between the two larger landmasses, and any other regions can go anywere.
I'm thinking about moving the eastern landmass a little more to the north, because Unova seems rather cold, yet I'm placing it in the same latitude as Hoenn.
The closest I've come to finding a quote for the kalos/sinnoh train thing is actually a combination of two quotes. There's a lab assistant that says Sycamore learned a lot from Professor Rowan in Sinnoh when he was young, and you can find a hidden not from Professor Sycamore in Couriway train station implying he arrived in Kalos by train, but nothing suggesting he came directly from Sinnoh to Kalos just by using train.
>>26657896
If you go to Wally's bedroom, you can see he has made a connection of Unova and Kalos on his globe when you select it.
That, coupled with the Unova Palace in Kalos, leads me to believe that there were possibly early plans for a B/W story continuation in the Z Post-Game (Original Dragon, maybe?)
Of course, we didn't get Z so we will never know.
>>26657958
That's cuz it's a lie and a meme that Sycamore traveled from Sinnoh.
>>26657943
Well, Europe and Asia are the same landmass.
>>26657921
shoot, I better learn to read before I tango with you then.
And even if it's far, I'm farily certain it's not France to Japan far.
>>26657943
I dont agree with all your placements, (Idont think there's any real proof on the Sinnoh Kalos connection) but at the very least make Unova around the same latitude as Kanto/Johto or a bit higher. It has snow, but not permanent snow.
>>26657977
Huh. WIll check that out now.
>>26657977
Sun and Moon is Z :^)
>>26657977
Fun fact about that palace, is the use of Serperior on the gates.
Serperior being thematically french, but from Unova.
And it's on the Unovan Palace, in the "french region".
It's my favorite detail in all of X/Y
>>26658103
>fiore but not almia and oblivia
>>26658103
I like this better. I'd also make that thing between Hoen and Kalos smaller to take into account the swimmable stuff. I'm sure the lower part of the map is still Kalos but not al of it.
>>26658172
Almia is there dipshit.
>>26658219
>>26657486
The Unova region is not canon tho.
our Earth is canon
>>26657569
>they don't use them anymore
Pacific Ocean was named in Gen 6
Gen 7 has a world globe
>>26657583
>you can swim from Hoenn to Kalos as confirmed in XY
[citation needed]
>>26658260
Pretty sure they just reuse Dex entries now.
>>26657690
Coastal Kalos would be Oceanic climate. Otherwise, that's kinda accurate.
>>26658249
see: >>26657621
>>26657792
>>Wally connecting Unova and Kalos on his globe (granted this could be across an ocean)
Can you be more precise?
>>26658283
None of the regions is 1:1. Alola isn't the first one to do it slightly different.
>>26657486
Why do none of these maps show Sinnoh being directly north of Johto? Wasn't that confirmed with the Sinjoh ruins?
>>26658304
I know. But it proves that our Earth isn't the same as the Pokemon world. Theres many, many geographical differences
>>26658103
Almia should be directly south of Sinnoh, as that's the landmass it's based on.
>>26658322
>many many
There's barely any difference
>>26658311
Yep.
These two maps take more In-Game stuff into account:
>>26658103
>>26657844
>>26657520
>>26658311
We don't know the direct location of Sinjoh ruins, the map just has an arrow pointing north. All we know is that Sinnoh is north of Johto (just like real life)
>>26658340
literally inventing stuff
>>26658322
They deleted one island, and rotated 90° one island. That's it.
>>26658232
the worst map of all
>>26658219
I dont hate this. I dont think the game world matches ours but there's nothing stopping the landmass from looking like a larger Poke-Japan. Hoenn should be flipped though Southern Isle not being the most south part of Hoenn is retarded and a prime example of Real World-fags ignorng game canon.
>>26658270
>>26657896
>>26658350
The only made up part is the Kalos Sinnoh connection
>>26658393
>The only made up part is the Kalos Sinnoh connection
everything is made up, except the in-game maps
you don't know how big the continents are, if any
Serebii's map is the only one that has been in the games so it's good enough for me, even though Serebii himself says it's inaccurate since he had to move Sinnoh to stop the map being huge.
>>26658406
They used his inverted map. So if you want to go by that, you have to use his map but inverted.
>>26657792
>Sycamore saying he took a train from Sinnoh to Kalos
I don't recall Sycamore EVER saying that, but it's constantly referenced. We do know he's traveled by train, and that he lived and studied in Sinnoh when he was young, but it doesn't go much further than that.
Also pic related, it's not impossible to get a train from the Sea of Japan right through to Moscow, which is so far to the west of Russia that it's quite close to mainland Europe. There are trains going between Moscow and France, too. The Battle Zone island in Sinnoh is actually a Russian island, and not far away from points on the Trans Siberian Railway. We don't know the specifics of Sycamore's journey but unless you've got some quotes from the game to prove otherwise, there's no reason to suggest he didn't just go from Sinnoh to PokeRussia, get the train across PokeRussia and then get a train or two from there to reach Kalos.
tl;dr Sycamore traveled the length of the PokeRussia and then got a train from PokeMoscow to Kalos. Prove me wrong.
>>26658406
Serebii's map appearing in game was just an easter egg.
>>26658103
>mfw you're able to travel to the Sevii Islands in the SM postgame
>>26658393
Even in game Southern Island isn't the southern-most island in Hoenn
Swimmer swimming between Hoenn and Kalos is obviously a humorous exaggeration. If they were close enough to swim between, they would almost be on top of each other.
>>26658485
do want
>>26657539
what did the Indian Elephants do to you, John Gamefreak?
>>26658526
Good point. But still more south than 95% of the region.
>>26658606
I'd see how someone would think that, but the fact that it was brought up in both games makes me disagree.
>>26657511
OP don't like u
>>26658385
that reference picture is troll-tier
>>26658485
>mfw youre grasping at literally nothing
>>26658385
That place below Alola, what is it? Ive never seen that place before
>>26657520
This map is total shit but
>the Haruba desert linking to Orre
I like this
Note: The countries are the same as ours. Only difference is that of states, our Hawaii is their Alola, our New York is their Unova, our Paris is their Kalos.
>>26659074
sure, mr nuts
All these maps but no one is 100% sure exactly how it looks
Here's the world according to the anime
>>26659182
and again
>>26659182
>>26659189
those are both sort of consistent, huh. At least the anime has something to go off of.
>>26659182
>>26659189
BW is not canon
>>26659283
[citation needed]
>>26659189
This is Kalos from the newest season of the anime. It's literally a small adaptation of Europe. You can even see the UK and sweden. This is the most recent depiction of the pokemon world.
>>26660662
>>26659189
>>26659182
>anime world
>having anything to do with the game world
>>26657977
... c-converging stories? I never knew I needed this so badly.
>Original Dragon used to eat humans
>Zygarde 100% knew the humans must be protected to retain balance in the world with humans and Pokemon
>Zygarde splits Original Dragon into three parts
>>26657486
This map makes a lot more sense than most non-earth Pokemon maps I've seen.
>>26659150
thanks for proving his point.
>>26662743
He's saying that every place in the real world translates to the pokemon world.
Even though Unova is several times larger than New York City, exists in a larger new york state. Regions of comparable size cant translate to the real world without every place around them changing.
And if every pace is changing then it cant be 1:1
>>26660773
>Unova and Kalos: the Argies and Aussies of the Pokémon World
>makes sense
>People trying to force Kalos being near the Japanese regions
Kanto: Route 1
Johto: Route 29
Hoenn: Route 101
Sinnoh: Route 201
Unova: Route 1
Kalos: Route 1
Alola: Route 1
The Pokemon world obviously isn't Earth, but the distance of regions relative to each other is still the same. Hence routes reset every time a new "super region"(Japan, America, Europe, and Pacific) is introduced.
>>26664182National Dex
Also by that logic, Alola's routes will be picking off from Unova's routes, which I will be very surprised if that happens.
>>26664182
Canonically, It's Earth.
>>26664182
Here's a image from HGSS.
>>26658274
Too bad for you that everything in the Pokédex entries is canon
>>26664659
>>26664739
HGSS and the Pokédex prove that It's Earth.
>>26664739
whoa
>>26664765APE Inc.=Creatures Inc.
>>26658485
I want that so bad. The sevii islands were hella fun.
>>26658933
Pearl Harbour will get bombed in the opening of the game by Kanto.
>>26658103
What about the whole cave of being thing in unova, wouldn't that place it near sinnoh?
>>26658260
>>26657539
Nope.
In Gen 1 and maybe Gen 2 they didn't have a protocol for real-world animals in the Pokemon world. That's they stopped referencing them. It got retconned. That's why there aren't real animals in the show anymore. Pokemon are the only animals.
>>26658853
Alola is pretty much the same geographic location and land as Hawaii. Stop playing dumb.
>>26665051
It has half as many islands, and in different positions, fuck off with this 1:1 bullshit
