ITT: Underrated mons that arent OU
with a choice scarf guts he is kinda hard to wall
Why the fuck did it have to get Lightningrod?
>>26633887
Kecleon killing all these psychic and fight types. With facade he's unstoppable.
>>26633887
Bad defensive type combined wih mediocre defensive stats isn't a good combo at all.
>>26633919
It really is easy.
Also
>physical electric atttackers
>>26633964
It's still a mediocre mega anyway.
Consider it lucky at getting a predictable Volt Switch absorber at least and its only way to boost Sp.Atk without wasting a slot for Growth.
>>26634016
Unstoppable dreamer.
I consider Cinccino a high-risk, high-reward alternative to Cloyster. If he had Fighting coverage, he'd probably be UU.
>>26634138
>he
It's not fast enough to outspeed Weavile, and it doesn't hit hard enough to OHKO Mamoswine, and its abilities are complete trash, but it's still the best Bat and the best Dragon there is.
>>26634389
>it doesn't hit hard enough to OHKO Mamoswine
>Implying it will have the chance to touch Mammoswine
>>26633887
Yeah people are too keen to use the offensive set, when it's more useful defensively.
>>26633919
Maybe against HO if you predict right, but otherwise not really.
>>26633964
Its problem isn't really Lightningrod so much as Fairies and fat Grass types.
>>26634016
Kecleon is pretty underrated in general, yeah, but its problem is its Speed. 4MSS also screws it over, but at least you can cater it to your team to an extent. Also Conkeldurr exists.
>>26634058
>mediocre defensive stats
That's far from the truth. It has a niche in walling EdgeQuake, which is to say it can wall Sand Offense.
>>26634138
It is pretty underrated if you pair it with the likes of Magnezone/Dugtrio to trap Steel types.
>>26634389
Noivern is one of my favorites but they really tried to hold it back. I figure it's going to get an Aerilate Mega in the distant future, since that's probably the only thing to make people take it seriously (and it fits flavorwise).
>>26634321
>has
>>26633964
Because Sceptile is fast as fuck so Lightning Rod protects it from Thunder Wave/Nuzzle.
>>26635765
They couldn't have given it a better ability like Contrary or Protean?
>inb4 it would be too overpowered!
Mega Kangaskhan exists. Mega Mawile exists. Mega Salamence exists.
>>26635790
At least they didn't give it Chlorophyll.
![dragalge_by_theangryaron-d76vgb1[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/TEx8OkJ.png "dragalge_by_theangryaron-d76vgb1[1].png")
Assault Vest walls a ton of stuff and it maims anything that isn't Steel / Chansey. Not Pursuit weak either.
>>26635844
Dragalge is very OU viable. A Specs hit from this thing kills most stuff in the game.
Chansey/Blissey and SpDef Jirachi are the only things with recovery that can shrug off any hit from it.
>>26635891
>>26635891
>very OU viable
>44 base speed and Poison typing in a EQ HO mega infested meta
>unironically slower than Hippowdon
Band Rampardos also does kill lot of things but being able to do so doesn't make it suddenly good.
>>26633964
Lightningrod is a great ability. It doesn't matter if it already resists electric. It kind of sucks on a Mega that doesn't already have it, though, since the benefits of free and boosted switches is what you'd want to get in and Mega Evolve in the first place.
>>26635964
>>unironically slower than Hippowdon
It's normal to run some Speed on Dragalge to outrun other tanks, or are you one of those fags that likes to try to talk competitive but your furthest foray into teambuilding is slapping 252/252/4 spreads on all your mons?
>Poison typing in a EQ HO mega infested meta
That's the equivalent of the 'just use ice shard' argument. And Poison is good. Dragalge's typing and bulk lets it come in on Volcanion, Keldeo, Mega Venusaur, Clefable, Volcarona, etc.
>>26635964
Unlike Rampardos Dragalge's defenses aren't non-existent
below average to be sure, but it's also not a fucking pure rock type
>>26635964
It also can switch into a ton of OU pretty easily, unlike Rampardos. Venusaur, Keldeo, Clefable, any electric type, Zard Y, Gengar, Volcarona, Volcanion, Tornadus-T, Serperior... None of them can really hurt it with Assault Vest. Then something has to come into one of its attacks, which not a lot can.
>>26633887
>>26633919
SinnohFetus
>>26636310
>90 Defense
>okay that's pretty goddamn average
>123 Sp. Def
>average my fucking ass
>>26633919
Not underrated. This is slower and weaker than Electivire, which, in turn, is worse physically than Thundurus, which, in turn, is worse than mixed or pure special Thundurus
tl;dr: luxray a shit and has absolutely no redeeming factors
>>26633887
Literally no reason to use this as your defensive grass type when amoongus and tangrowth exist
>>26636416
Greetings, summerfriend :)!
>>26634389
>>26634389
>>26634389
>Infiltrator
>Trash
Bro, Infiltrator lets you give the old "Fuyck you!" to some of the most obnoxious strategies (subseed, stall, balance, etc.)
If Keldeo isn't packing Icy Wind, Noivern is one of its best counters, by the way. Specs Noiver's pretty awesome on rain teams too, thanks to accurate Hurricanes.
Always the bestamon
>>26636150
I'm that kind of player who doesn't use Dragalge in the first place. It don't battle with 5 Pokemon.
Everyone just about hates or loves this guy. The trick to using him isto not let him get hit by anything by making sure he out-speeds and OHKOs the rest of the enemy's team. He is very underratedand also no item + Acrobatics = big damage
>>26636958
This guy's currently leading the charge on my BB playthrough. Acrobatics, Dragon Claw and Stone Edge do short work of most things. Too bad the moment this guy sees electricity or water it crumbles to dust.
>tfw it survives in the red to throw one last punch
>>26636958
Love this guy. It's a shame his 3D model is fucking ugly though.
>>26637287
>It's a shame his 3D model is fucking ugly though.
You shut your dirty mouth
>>26637244
Earthquake can work wonders against those electric types ;)
>>26637287
His model is amazing. Some of the best animations in the game as well.
>>26633887
>>26633919
Get out of here ELO hell.
>>26633964
Try running a physical set with leaf storm as a nuke option. It does have 110 attack and earthquake, and swords dance.
>>26634016
I find it a better support than anything.
>>26634138
>>26634389
Doesn't do enuff damage.
>>26635844
Does absurd damage only accurate post in the thread.
>>26636958
>switch in twice
>halved attack
Choice band head smash suicide is about the best option.
>>26637349
tfw no recovery.
>>26637344
>Archeops has access to EQ
I was unaware of this, how did this thing get extinct? Time to swap out that 4th slot.
>>26636703
It has a niche in compressing roles of defensive Grass type with reliable recovery and Stealth Rocker.
>>26636862
Oh you're the kind to use cookiecutter Smogon teams who thinks anything below OU is a missing team slot and has a hard time grasping the concepts of switching and team coordination.
>>26636958
I agree, Archeops is pretty underrated. But I'd argue you'd want Mega Sableye on your team to make the most out of it, and going the Acrobatics route is questionable when the opportunity cost is a mixed LO set that can break balance.
>>26637349
It's the stallbreaker people have been looking for, but can also run a nice makeshift defensive wall.
Nasty Plot + Baton Pass into it (with optional Taunt/Sub for boost clearing/phazing) can decimate stall. Mew and Celebi can pull it off.
>>26637366
>Choice band head smash suicide is about the best option.
I've used Archeops competitively like this and it works magnificently and I'm gonna keep using it this way:
>>26636958
>The trick to using him is to not let him get hit by anything by making sure he out-speeds and OHKOs the rest of the enemy's team and also no item + Acrobatics = big damage.
>>26637471
Elaborate on the use of Mega Sableye. And I do agree that my method is a bit questionable, but it works about 60-70% of the time.
Assault vest Eelektross needs more love.
>>26635652
>No
This guy eats a Flare Blitz from smogonbirds all dayum day. And I appreciate that they took shitty Tangela and made something from it. (Even if that something was a bigger meaner Tangela)
I love this guy, I've always loved him. And no one will believe me, but I do well using him as a lure for eqs and wafter attacks. He sucks on the 3 man cells though, he needs a team.
No better feeling than burning someone's garchomp on the switch.
>>26637525
Mega Sableye is the securest way of stopping Stealth Rock from going up, which ruins Archeops by the second time it comes in. Sure you could run a Spinner or a Defogger (and you should on top of the M-Sab), but then you're reliant on getting the safe removal off before bringing in Archeops.
Something like SpDef leaning Hippo for Rock and Electric types and then something else for Ice types like bulky Scizor would finish out the defensive core. M-Sab should be good enough for stuff like Rotom-W.
You play Archeops like players use Mega Medicham with slow pivots into it to get off big hits. Scizor is a slow U-Turn for that. Hippo's Sand can give Archeops a SpDef boost so if you decide to put Roost on it, you can take say Moonblasts from a Clefable and heal up.
The other 2 mons on your team would be offensive options, to make it a balance team. I'd advise something like Serperior or Keldeo to be able to deal with other Hippowdon, which Archeops can't break. Weavile would also be cool, etc.
>>26635790
>protean sceptile
>>26637684
That seems like a pretty good strategy. I'll have to try it out sometime :) Usually I do have a decent defensive core and other Pokémon to cover and get rid of their weaknesses. I use Archeops more like a mid-late game secondary sweeper. Here is an example of my Archeops at workand sadly, he does die, but he really does do some serious work: NC9W-WWWW-WW47-U4QC
>>26637881
you didn't save it
>>26637549
>style
>follwing Smogon rules and tiers
BAAA BAAA BAAA
I swear they have infected every part of the Pokemon community, i think even the Japanese have been infected.
>>26638005
Just filter OU
>>26637954
the code should work, try it again
>>26637881
I can't watch right now since my OR cart is at home. But I realized I forgot to mention Water types to watch out for with your team. So maybe Gastrodon or Seismitoad might suit you better over Hippowdon, or you could just cover Water with something else.
>>26638128
In the battle I wanted to show you, you see that I U-Turn Archeops into a Vaporeon with Water Absorb ;)
>>26638189
Ooh, Vaporeon is great. Also underrated, and deals with Water and Ice.
>Sweeping entire teams with this fucker in UU
Fun af
>>26637546
I once ran a team of 6 Eelektross.
Good times. This thing has such a massive movepool that 6 movesets isn't even exhausting the totality of its potential. You can't say the same about many other Pokemon. Mega when?
>>26638245
4th gen was a fun competitive gen. Tearing through teams with Yanmega was a blast.
>>26637998
>he
>>26638269
What would you think of this?
Mega Eelektross
Type: Electric/Flying
Ability: Regenerator
HP: 85
ATK: 115 - (+20) > 135
DEF: 80 - (+30) > 110
SPATK: 105 - (+30) > 135
SPDEF: 80 - (+30) > 110
SPD: 50 - (-10) > 40
Or this?
Mega Eelektross
Type: Electric
Ability: Levitate
HP: 85
ATK: 115 - (+20) > 135
DEF: 80 - (+0) > 80
SPATK: 105 - (+20) > 125
SPDEF: 80 - (+0) > 80
SPD: 50 - (+60) > 110
>>26633964
If Lightningrod can bless it with a movepool addition of Volt Switch, then it'll be worth it. Having an annoyer that's THAT fast has proven to be useful in the past, and its not like it's not packing a punch. It just gets stopped by too many things to ever be not a rare niche in OU viability.
>>26633887
This is one of those pokemon that is begging for a Mega. Reminds me of Hydreigon, actually, where it's just missing one or two things to make it really fucking kick ass. Stats are juuuust shy from being really great, and a better ability would go a long way with it's setup.
>>26635844
Yeah, honestly Dragalge is fucking great. It reminds me of old school tanks like Gen 3 Metagross. Come in, wall the ever living fuck out of something, then punch a hole in the switch in. It's got the stats, typing and movepool to do it, too.
>>26637610
There's a couple pokemon like this, that under odd circumstances can just fuckin.. wall shit. Avalugg does this too, where it actually takes attacks from things it's weak to due to it's massive defenses and access to Recover.
Usually the issue with these types of pokemon comes down to the fact that you spend too much time recovering than anything else. Tangrowth's not the worst case of this, though, I've got first hand experience with it. Can be a pain in the ass if left unchecked.
>>26638302
>has
>>26634016
>>26634676
>>26637366
It works best as a revenge killer really using priority moves and protean to avoid it's low speed causing issues.
I love using regular Rotom in battle. Quick and effective, fun to watch in battle too.
>>26638507
>sweg
>>26638294
I just feel everyone sucked back then. It used to be so easy to get to top 100/50 on the ladder for me compared to this gen. Now I've only been there twice and it was with M-khan before the ban and sub-toxic aegislash before its ban. I think gen 4 competitive Pokemon really just relied on winning the lead/anti lead situation and then making raw predictions. Underrated Pokemon don't really exist now with team preview because the Pokemon are underused for a reason, they have less options/are more situationally applicable than the Pokemon that outclass them, in gen 4 you could surprise people with certain sets/Pokemon and the scope for that isn't really there. Some pokes like sub petaya empoleon or CM raikou could be useful and surprising sweepers, there's probably heaps of others I'm forgetting about now too. But as much as I hate to admit it team preview made competitive Pokemon a lot deeper and more skill based than it was before. Give all those players a generation of weather wars where they have to really strategise and manage risk/reward to take down their opponent's weather starters and preserve your own, and now that same dynamic exists to an extent with mega evolutions, players seem so much better at playing this game. I have really fond memories of gen 4 comp but the newer gens did a lot of stuff right in terms of competitiveness, but variety has definitely suffered as a result
>>26639025
Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth to what youre saying. 4th gen competitive was still a baby, it didnt blow up until 5th gen, so there werent as many players, and thus the average playerbase skill was lower.
Though, as far as usage goes, I think there are definitely underrated 'mons, just not as extremely so. This gen's encountered a strange problem of sorts, where there are simply TOO many OU viable pokemon for OU to fit. There's been a greater focus on the viability rankings than whats actually in OU itself, which defeats part of the purpose of having a system like that to begin with.
So in the regard of "Hey, Hydreigon's not OU, but it's viable for handing threat X, Y or Z", then yeah things like that are underrated. But as far as some unknown OU viable threat dicking around in PU? Unlikely.
>>26635844
specs and also tspikes are great on balance/bulky offense
>>26637349
resttalk is good
>>26637610
i've seen this get some good usage in SPL and shit, good AV user/wall that differentiates itself from amoonguss through its coverage
rest are shit in OUat least, anything above the 1300s. not to say i dislike any of them but they're not good 99.9% of the time
>>26636717
Infiltrator is actually the lessor of Noivern's two abilities since it has boomburst anyway, at least it can scout for scarves and shit with the other ability.
>>26635790
>stick Pure Power/Protean on everything
>>26639632
forgot about sceptile, oops. it's a pretty decent wallbreaker/revenge killer thanks to its ability to stay unchecked by klefki's/thundurus' t-wave and also check offense (particularly mega manectric)
>>26639738
Boomburst doesn't get STAB, though. And flying has WAY better neutral coverage than Noraml, and I use it on a rain team anyway so accuracy doesn't matter as much. Hurricane and Draco Meteor with Infiltrator will be better most of the time.
I have it on every team.
There's nothing more satisfying than fucking over your opponent with their own mons
>>26639063
Eh, it's happened before.
Quagsire and Amoongus were both like RU or NU. PU though lolno. The only thing I've ever seen put to frutrition with a low tier mon besides Ditto was a Simple Stockpile Numel.
jolteons speed, damage and utility makes it an absolute monster.
>>26636703
it can be better supporter
this thread is gonna be a fun to read
>implying vp is good at competetive
>>26641673
Jolteon needed more coverage against Ground.
