Other than the obvious "pesky pebbles". What is a good check/counter to Megazard Y?
>>26632211
Assault Vest Garchomp with Stone Edge
>>26632211
Chansey, and you can pretty much go on Smogon and get the answers fast.
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/charizard/
>>26632211
Or MegaZard Y with Ancient Power
>>26632211
Choice specs latios Draco meteor
Latias walls it all day. A good majority of dragons check it easily.
>>26632256
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 282-333 (94.9 - 112.1%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
Kinda, but I'd rather go with Garchomp, because that doesn't specs into a Draco Meteor and it's a sure thing. Also with Assault Vest, it's out of reach of Zard Y's DPulse.
252 Atk Garchomp Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Charizard Y: 536-632 (180.4 - 212.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Garchomp: 166-196 (46.4 - 54.9%) -- 64.5% chance to 2HKO
>>26632289
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Latios: 198-234 (66.2 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>Guaranteed 2HKO
>Walled
???
>>26632307
He said latias.
Tyranitar, especially scarfTar is always a great choice to shut down the sun then bop it with a rock slide/stone edge, or if you know he's switching, pursuit it.
Just don't switch in on Focus Blast and it's pretty golden.
I need some unrelated help, sorry for asking in this thread.
I'm breeding 2 pokemons with 5 iv, both have attack, defense, SpA, SpD and speed. Is it possible to get hp out of nowhere? Yes, I'm new to this.
>>26632376
yeah that's no problem.
have one hold a destiny knot (transfers 5 of the pokemon's IV's to the child), and the other parent hold an everstone (passes the holder's nature to the child, so if you want jolly gible for example, have the parent holding the everstone be of a jolly nature)
2 5IV's will take a few times to get those IV's in the right place, but since both parents are already 5 IV to begin with, most of the work is already done. just give it around 10-15 eggs and you'll have one with a full HP IV where you want it.
>>26632402
thank you
>>26632307
>>26632333
It doesn't even matter if it's a 2HKO because Latios outspeeds. In any event no Zard Y really even runs Dragon Pulse anymore, it's garbage coverage. The preferred set is currently Fire Blast, Solarbeam, Focus Blast, Roost. It pretty much spams its Fire move unless 1. A Water Type tries to switch in, in which case it uses Solarbeam, or 2. A Heatran or Tyranitar tries to switch in, in which case it uses Focus Blast.
Spdef Talonflame works pretty well if Zard isn't carrying ancientpower.
>>26632725
the problem with that, though, is the latios is forced to take a turn to recover else they want to lose their switchin. this gives the charizard user a free switch into whatever they want to deal with latios and regain momentum, which is more often than not a pursuit ttar
and of course if they dont even have recovery then its as good as dead once its taken one hit
>>26632737
this is a good answer
>>26632211
Mega-Venusaur obviously. The true king of the Kanto starters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgY7vFKfN1s
>>26632750
True, but counters by definition don't need to take latter turns into consideration to do their job. Sure they can try to Roost off the damage or hard switch to something that counters TTar if they see it on the opposing team, shit they can even drop a Specs Draco predicting Zard to stay in or even Specs Surf/HP Fighting. There are so many prediction factors that come into play that there's no reason to pull the "But it can only switch in once!" card.
It's a counter because it switched in on any attack once and threatened to OHKO back on the next turn.
>>26632811
>open video
>dubstep
>swords dance charizard y
>>26632828
>Implying you could come up with a better counter
>>26632820
thats true, i wasnt trying to "pull a card" more so making discussion
>>26632737
This is probably the best one. ZardY is really hard to counter. I usually just rely on checks and yellow skill wave spam
>>26632211
Flashfire houndoom then mega it for more sun.
Mega Altaria, Chansey and Latias are the only things that can switch into it and heal/hit back.
>>26632874
That's didn't mean to come off as harsh but you'll see very similar arguments, typically in suspect threads. Where they'll try to undermine counters because they think they take too much damage on the first switchin.
>>26632913
None of those are as good of a counter as Mega-Venusaur is to Mega-Charizard both x and y
>>26632211
Checks: Tyranitar, Latios, Heatran
Counters: Mega Altaria, Latias, Mega Latias, Chansey, Blissey
>>26632811
>>26632865
>>26632966
>252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Flamethrower vs. 248 HP / 144 SpD Thick Fat Mega Venusaur in Sun: 198-234 (54.5 - 64.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Nice counter faggot. Not even Fire Blast.
>>26632972
Latios is actually a counter. Can't by any means be KOd on the switchin and does this in return:
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 282-333 (94.9 - 112.1%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
A check would be something like Scarf Lando-T/Excadrill with Rock coverage. Can't switch in by any means but definitely outspeeds and OHKOs if given a free turn to get in.
Also, I'm not really sure about listing M-Altaria as a zero drawbacks hard stop to Zard Y. It needs to be Mega evolved to get the SpD buff necessary to avoid the 2HKO from Drought boosted Fire Blast, and it also needs to be Mega evolved to avoid getting wrecked on the switch by some madman running Dragon Pulse. Also the Dragon Dance variant of M-Altaria simply isn't bulky enough to consistently take Sun boosted Fire Blasts, it just hits too hard even resisted.
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Altaria in Sun: 150-177 (51.5 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Keeping in mind that Pixilate Returns are also resisted by Zard Y so you have to try to get a DD off whilst taking these hard hitting Fire Blasts to even begin to threaten it. No one runs Dragon coverage on M-Alt and Zard is obviously immune to the ever popular Earthquake coverage.
252 Atk Pixilate Mega Altaria Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 118-140 (39.7 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
(Jolly because you'd be retarded to not want to outspeed the base 135 speed Megas after a DD on a purely offensive Mega Altaria)
>>26633190
>252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 156 SpD Altaria: 87-102 (24.6 - 28.8%) -- 99.8% chance to 4HKO
(cloud nine support Altaria)
>252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 156 SpD Mega Altaria in Sun: 130-153 (36.8 - 43.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Sure you won't deal much damage back but you effectively wall Charizard and he has no way of boosting his damage.
>>26633232
Yeah I guess I took issue with the fact that you listed M-Altaria in general as a counter. Really you need the bulky Roost variant of M-Alt to stall out the Sun turns and then try to boost on it. The DD variant caves to the ungodly power of Drought boosted Fire Blast.
>>26633190
>scard landorus
>check
>see no lefties damage and is pretty obv to conclude its scarf or helmet from opposite team composition (av is scouted by the damage done)
Latios is a check unless you predict Solarm Beam wich makes it a threat to Zard Y then
>mole of no bulk being a counter or check to anything that isn't a standard fairy set
Mole and genie are revenge killers.
>mega altaria needs to be mega to switch etc
No? Why wouldn't you run Cloud Nine when Altaria has access to Heal Bell and Facade, and generally cleric support too anyway?
Chansey, Mega Altaria with basic HP investment like every sane person does, also Latias and Mega Latias andrarest support Sap Sipper Azumarill which is effective almost everytime unless Air Slash or actual decent players who know Fire Blast still does a lot
CM Roost Latios can be a check too.sometimes.
Oh and 135 speed megas are pretty mediocre in terms of being able to damage Altaria anyway.
Regardless, are people actually that scared of by Zard Y?
>>26633366
>Not knowing what checks and counters are
>Not wanting to outspeed M-Lopunny
>Fake Out. Ice Punch. Gone.
>Being this bad
Lrn2play.
>>26633366
After testing my team it seems to be heavly countered by Mega Zard Y and Azumaril.
>>26633474
Not sure if you're baiting or just shitposting or maybe I missed the sarcastic part.
Landorus is a situational check and easy to find put if it's either Scarf / AV / Rocky Helmet, cannot switch into Solar Beam, Air Slash and the most used Fire Blast and Flamethrower, if its one of the two last variants it is slower and risks a 2HKO, if its Scard it can barely take Fire Blast and basically will be only able to switch on it once.
Scarf Excadrill goes down to Focus Blast and Fire STAB like a Sunkern, AV and LO and Sash are all slower anyway. Solar Beam also nerfs it forever and will be able to switch on safely on it only one more time.
Stop.
Bulky DD Fairy STAB Roost Altaria is all you need.
Lopunny risks a OHKO back because Fake Out + Ice Punch will hardly rwmove it with HP and slight devoted Speed and other stats investment. HP Ice Manectric can be tanked and Altaria can Roost on it.
For the matter, Return / Frustration hit harder than Ice Punch retard.
>>26632211
>100 speed
Fucking drop it with any rock move
