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Gen 4 had the last good legendary designs. Prove me wrong.Protip: you can't
>>26603313
Palkia is literally a fucking dick.
>>26603323
So are most fancy buildings. What of it
>>26603313
Dialga a best
SHIT TASTE, OP!
I love Platinum as much as the next guy, but these Legendaries were not that good. Their designs are all weirdly shaped and just too busy. Only passable choice is Giratina.
Gen six had great Legendary designs.
I liked them, but I also liked the BW box legends. Kyurem is really ugly, though.
>>26603422
>Palikia and dialga are busy
>Gen six had great Legendary designs.
yveltal is probably the busiest legendary there is you tard
>>26603313
>Uxie
2/10
>Mesprit
2/10
>Azelf
2/10
>Dialga
2/10
>Palkia
2/10
>Heatran
4/10
>Regigigas
8/10
>Girantina
7/10
>Cresselia
5/10
>Manaphy
2/10
>Darkrai
7/10
>Shaymin
7/10
>Arceus
7/10
I always thought gen 4 had the worst legendaries which makes sense since it has the worse designs overall. There are some good ones but they put the worst ones on the cover which makes it look worse than it actually is.
Overall it's actually about average.
>>26603580
I didnt realize there this many legendaries in gen 4
>>26603444
>Kyurem is really ugly, though.
Thats the point. Needs both truth and ideals to return it back into it's aesthetically-appealing state.
>>26603313
Gen 4 had the worst legendary designs.
Tower Duo > XYZ Trio > Weather Trio > Sun/Moon Duo > Tao Trio >>>> Creation Shitters
The only passable design is Giratina-O.
Gen 4 had the worst legendary designs. Even Gen 1 can't beat them, and oh they tried.
>>26603323
This is actually makes it even better, somehow
gen 4 had the laziest and crappiest designs for legens
>>26603313
>Prove me wrong.
Just look at the mons to see they are crap.
Dialga, Palkia, Darkrai, Heatran, Manaphy, the Lake trio and Arceus have fucking awful designs. I'm probably missing some since a quarter of the damn dex was legendaries.
>>26603313
Reshiram and Kyurem were good, but they felt too similar to both each other AND gen IV.
Xerneas and Ylvetal are nice, but they don't have that legendary vibe.
Tbh, for me it would be perfect if Pokemon ended after gen IV - some of the last Pokemon in the dex would be the creation trio and the literal god. Then again, we wouldn't get any of the great stuff that came after it...
what is lunala?
Giratina's second for is probably the "scariest" mon
Palkia is a Kaiju
Dialga is pic related (with no tail)
I know this is bait, but OP is right
>>26603880
They don't really look like crap. As the creators of the universe, they couldn't have a mundane look (like Xerneas, for example). In that sense, they got it right, they look unsettling and alien like.
But I can't ignore the fact that they were designed as if they would be static figures in the game forever. Specially Palkia, I can't picture it walking or fighting, it just doesn't work.
The Pokemon community is pretty much the Legend of Zelda community on steroids, and it all has to do with the fact that most people were children when they picked up their favorite (by which they mean "best") genit's why all my favorite Pokemon are from Gen 2.
When Gen 4 came out, the legendaries were hot shit that no one wanted. Now we're 3 gens past and they're the last great designs?
I can't wait until Vanilluxea Pokemon whose design I unironically enjoyis treated as the last great objectmon design.
>>26603459
Yveltal has a consistent, simple color scheme and all of the pieces on it are easily identifiable, as opposed to the random lines and armor that other legendaries have for no discernible reason. Yveltal is far from being one of the busiest designs; it looks natural in a fantasy creature sort of way.
>>26603950
>it would be perfect if Pokemon ended after gen IV
Honestly, as a kid i thought it was the end.
Many legendaries to prolong the game's life
Starters that kind of ressembled the originals, but improved
The story is about the creation and destruction of the world
Many Pokemon getting cross gen evo.
It felt like it was closing the chapters of so many things
Gen 4 was quantity over quality;introduced the most legendaries, but most of them are shit
>>26603459
Yeah, but Xerneas is beautiful.
>>26604036
If it had more details on the feathers and veins, I could definitely see it as a late game demon in SMT.
>>26603422
>Gen Six had great legendary designs.
>>26604068
>gen 4
>Most legendaries
Did you forget gen 5 exists?
>>26604128
Gen 4 beats it out by 1
>>26604128
even if gen 5 had more legendaries, at least they had some quality
>>26603422
>Their designs are all weirdly shaped and just too busy.
Pretty fitting IMHO considering they and Arceus are barely Pokemon.
>>26604544
The only well designed Gen 5 Legendary was Genesect.
Everything else was pathetic.
I genuinely feel sorry for anyone that thinks otherwise.
>>26603313
>those designs
>good
Gen 4 ruined legendaries by not only giving them shit-tier designs but also making them gods. There were also way too fucking many, a trend that continued in Gen 5.
One of the things Gen 6 did right is tone it back on the legendaries. They just don't feel special when there are so many.
>>26604637
>genesect is the only good one
>forgetting the tao trio
you're japeing me, aren't you
>>26604637
Victini and Meloetta were alright. The others were shit though.
>>26604712
I would never forget the worst box legendaries.
>>26604712
>white banana with a dick
>blavk blob dinosaur
>icy traffic cone
all of them have awful looking legs too
>>26604798
>worst tiro
>one of the few trios that actually interact with each other
bad taste
>>26603925
You could make a case for most of those, but Arceus is beautiful in all regards. I wanna know why you don't like it, to me it's only second to Deoxys design-wise. Not overdesigned, looks godly, and though equine just alien enough to look distinct from any earth creature. I think many people automatically hate on the most powerful Pokemon there is for some reason.
Defintely too many legendaries that gen, but I'm glad Arceus came before Pokemon designs went further down the pooper, as he still has visible musculature and isn't composed of basic shapes. Though I guess even now legendaries are often above that.
>>26604815
>one of the few trios that actually interact with each other
Yeah and it's still the worst
>>26605795
>worst than the creation trio
>worst than the X&Y trio
Zekrom/Reshiram/Kyurem are the best trio, though.
nah, son, gen 2 had.
>Heatran.
>>26605815
Did he stutter?
>>26604821
Arceus needs to get his fucking "1000 Arms" forme in the gen 4 remakes or I'll flip my shit. The creator of the universe has a lower BST than the creators of land and sea? Fuck right off Gamefreak.
>>26605815
yes.
>>26605815
Yep, exactly
Creation trio is the best btw
>>26605852
>A penis and edgy satan dragon
>good
dialga was the only decent one
>>26605907
Dialga would be fine without the ass fan.
>>26605907
I'm sorry you have such shit taste anon
>>26603313
Palkia is shit
>>26605907
>based Giratina
>bad
>not getting your mind out of the gutter
better than a smoke dragon that holds it wings above its head for no reason
>>26605925
t. Sinnohfetus
>>26605931
>Creation trio barely interact with each other
>Good
>Tao trio Interact with each other in an interesting way
>bad
>>26605984
>Creation trio barely interact with each other
>Good
>Tao trio Interact with each other in an interesting way
>bad
Yep, now you're getting it
Just because the tao trio interact with each other doesn't make them not garbage
>>26605931
>Giratina
>based
Maybe if you're 12.
>>26603313
I only really like Heatran and Cresselia, the rest ranged from passable (Shaymin) to forgettable (Phione, Regigigas).
>>26605984
t. Unovabortion
>>26606004
>Maybe if you're 12.
Anon we're talking about a series aimed at exactly that demographic.
>>26606018
>Regigigas
>forgettable
YOU TAKE THAT BACK YOU BASTARD
>>26605984
>caring about whether the legendaries interact with each other when they're just plot devices in the first place
>>26603313
>Palkia was a dick, yet wore high-heels and has pearls. Also pretty legit monster design, and out of every legendary introduced to date, it has the mot dynamic-looking body, and looks the most able to get in close and fuck your shit up. 10/10
>Dialga looks sturdy as fuck, the effect its' tail-skirt thing does when it uses Roar of Time is pretty based. Body structure and attack style makes it work not unlike an artillery piece. Feet shaped like a crown. Does have some metal stapled to its cheeks like a faggot.
9/10
Giratina: Kind of an edgelord, but everyone admits it looks pretty fucking badass. The yellow balances out its palate very nicely.
Giratina Origin-Form makes sense on a structural level. It is supposed to operate in a zero gravity environment, and looks like it does. The mouthplate is cool, and the ribclaws just work.
Comparing the two, Altered Form very much looks like Origin Form that is being compressed by fucking gravity, and makeshifting enough of its body to serve as structural support to not collapse on the spot.
Fucking 11/10 because not only does it work, it works together with the lore.
All three of them, along with Arceus, their boss, have that line pattern on their mouths, so you know they are fucking related subtly, not like fucking generators stapled to their asses or looking like a letter.
Superb fucking taste, anon.
>>26603313
>manaphy
>phione
>lake trio
>heatran
>darkrai
>cresselia
>it's another "I'm 18 and gen 4 was my first game " thread
I'll be honest, the only Sinnoh legendaries I really like design wise are Phione, Shaymin, and Heatran. I like Palkia, but only really like conceptually and shit due to its typing.
The Lake Trio is only good in porn.
>>26606044
Sorry, I just never cared about any of the golems. The retarded unlock requirements for Regigigas and his general uselessnes in battle lead to me never actually capturing one.
>>26606101
Your time at the top is over you old geezer, get off the retirement home wifi
>>26606101
I don't know why, but ever since the Sun and Moon first trailer the board got absolutely overran by Sinnohfetuses
>>26606101
>18
If their first was Gen IV when it came out, they'd more likely be 14~16.
>>26606146
It's their turn for a remake. If you thought hoennbabies were bad just you wait. It wont end until they get their game.
>>26606018
In regards to forgettable Gen 4 legendaries I feel the list is
Phione>Azelf & Uxie>Cresselia>Mesprit>Heatran>Manaphy>Shaymin>Regigigas>Darkrai>Creation Trio> Arceus
Phione, Uxie and Azelf are literally Who gives a fuck tier. Everything else is passable to some extent.
>>26606050
This guy gets it.
>>26606101
>>26606146
>Using buzzwords and name calling instead of saying why you think something is bad.
Can't stand the fuck out of you genwar faggots.
>>26606168
I'm 18 and my first Pokémon game was Pearl
not everyone starts playing in 1st grade
>>26606168
Gen IV was my first game and i'm 20 now
>>26604128
Gen 5 had one less and more regular pokemon to back it up
>>26606101
I'm 25 and Pokemon Pearl was my 8th (main, not spin off) Pokemon game, with Pokemon Platinum being my 9th.
>>26606193
forcing opinions down your opinions on others and calling everyone who thinks a mon from any other gen is shit is what's bad about the genfaggots.
That and they're everywhere.
>>26605851
>The creator of the universe has a lower BST than the creators of land and sea?
Without an alternate forme, though. And he's also free to hold another item and has a superior moveset.
My headcanon is that the Arceus you catch and fight with is just an avatar of the real thing, a fragment. Or, perhaps he powers down because he likes a good fight.
>>26606101
23 and been playing since 1st gen. Obviously not at launch, but still.
I don't really get these kinds of arguments, most people here are old enough to have started at the beginning, too. Sinnoh was the first region that felt like "home" to me, and the mechanics changes finally drove me to git gud at competitive play, because it became fun.
>>26606288
I imagine "Arceus" is just one of the one thousand hands mentioned in its dex entry.
>>26604712
Reshiram is one of the worst looking legendaries to date, and they're easily the worst looking box legends overall. Regular Kyurem looks great, that's it.
I still don't understand the "Palkia looks like a penis" meme.
>>26606288
>I don't really get these kinds of arguments
Because there's nothing particularly redeeming about the Sinnoh games.
Most of the additional content was a stripped down version of content from hoenn games like the BF, contests, secret bases etc. Even the story was a carbon copy of hoenn's but on a grander scale, on top of that the region was fairly annoying to navigate from the caves with the terrible encounter rate, environmental effects that hindered the player and excessive HM use.
There are few interesting features in the poketch but they're few and far between. It doesn't help that they reintroduced the vs. Seeker instead of having something like calls or trainers eyes again for more convenience.
Its also worth noting that gen 4 is the cause of changes made in later games for example the linearity of unova and kalos and hand holding happened because of the negative feedback to Sinnoh's design and constant backtracking, megas and eviolite came about from the negative reception of the cross gen evos too.
I could go on but you get the picture, on top pof taking several steps content and quality wise it's made a fairly poor impact on the series as a whole.
>>26603854
What in the love of Christ is wrong with the gen 1 legendaries? Is this some epic new Unovabortion meme?
>>26603802
Exactly. Had a friend who would even argue against that, but the whole thing with Kyurem is HE IS A SHELL. He is the remains of Zekaram and Resheram's original body.
>>26605851
It's not like BST means much in lore anyway. Otherwise it would mean a monkey is almost as powerful as the being who governs time.
this one is fucking great
>>26606466
Do you just consider any story that's vaguely apocalyptic and where the box legendaries play a major role to be "carbon copies"?
>>26606476
Well, I like the birds, but they do feel a tad overly simplistic.
>>26606288
Arceus' power had been split between the many plates and he lacks the 1000 arms he was fabled to have so he's obviously not as powerful as his Original Self . Probably the same case with the Original Dragon we're never going to see.
>Primal Arceus Plated Forme
>Insanely Powerful Special Build
>Primal Arceus 1000 Arms Forme
>Insanely Powerful Physical Build
>Multitype evolves further
>He gets STAB on everything
It's a retarded idea but OG Arceus would obviously be that broken.
>>26606519
Xerneas and Yveltal are easily my favorite box legends. Don't know how anyone can hate either.
>>26606533
I hate you with every fibre of my being, and I'm not even a genwunner.
>>26606542
They are good, But Zygarde fucking ruins it.
>>26606519
Gen 3 cover trio are undoubtedly the best legends.
>>26606564
Zygarde is cool to me, but I don't like how they ended up lumping a bunch of the Norse myths into it instead of a full pantheon for Kalos's legends.
>>26606521
Of course not XY and BW/2 had differing plots but you'd have to be an idiot to not see the similarities in the gen 3 and 4 plot hell their climax even occurs at the same point in the gym challenge which is just before the last gym.
Platinum even had the third legendary intervene during the same point.
Then there's smaller things like both taking over a weather related facility, using an item to control the legendaries and said item not working as intended, even Cynthia was just a female Steven.
>>26606657
The climax happens at the same point in HGSS and XY too, it likely will in SM as well
Also fuck "weather related facility", the windworks was a fucking power plant
>>26606657
You're reaching with several of those and you know it.
>>26603580
>forgetting Rotom
>>26606703
>The climax happens at the same point in HGSS and XY too
The difference there is that HGSS was forced in considering it wasn't there in the first place and it wasn't really the climax of a story because the legendary wasn't central to it.In fact there wasn't much of a story to begin with.
For the Johto games I would say that the climax was just the end of the game.
>Also fuck "weather related facility", the windworks was a fucking power plant
>Wind isn't related to the weather
American education at it's finest.
>>26606715
Except I'm not, I could find some more if I were more bothered to do so.
>>26606733
>rotom
>legendary
>>26606797
In the context of the game the Windworks are much more a power plant than anything like the Weather Institute, considering Electric Pokemon are found outside it and the reason Galactic is there if I recall is to steal energy.
>>26606466
>Most of the additional content was a stripped down version of content from hoenn games
Same argument can be applied to RSE.
> fairly annoying to navigate
And Hoenn wasn't?
>There are few interesting features
It introduced more remarkable changes than RSE, from actual online to the Physical split.
>constant backtracking
Which Hoenn also had, I mean they literally added teleports in ORAS so you didn't have to backtrack.
>>26607053
So that just means DPPT is as bad as RSE.
They both suck
>>26607053
Phys/Spec split is big, but imagine actually thinking Abilities aren't even bigger. Plus Natures and restructuring of the IV and EV systems.
>>26606797
the wind isn't weather. you don't say "it's going to be wind out tomorrow", you say sunny or cloudy or something
>>26607138
>you don't say "it's going to be wind out tomorrow"
Of course you dont'.
You say "windy" or "high winds" you know, like when they do a weather forecasts when it happens.
You didn't think this through did you.
>>26607159
but even then, that's different, the wind is just an effect of the weather (air trying to move around from hot to cold places). the weather itself is the sun, the moon, the rain, etc
>>26607121
I actually forgot about abilities while writing my post.
I think IV and EV are a terrible systems, they should be changed with something else that doesn't require mindless grinding.
>Wind isn't weather
>Rayquaza , part of the weather trio, has an ability that involves wind.
>>26607053
>>26607053
>Same argument can be applied to RSE.
Not really although RSE removed certain features they were mostly superficial and gimmicky ones like the sleeping mechanic and day and night being represented graphically.
That said it added a lot more meaningful side features than DP did.
>And Hoenn wasn't?
Not really?
The land segments were fairly straight forward the only potential issue comes from the surfing and even then there's several landmarks to go on one being the huge white rock that is Sootopolis.
>It introduced more remarkable changes than RSE, from actual online to the Physical split.
Keeping in mind that RSE rehauled the entire game and introduced abilities and natures which changed the game in a different way compared to the split as it was a new factor to think about also it was the first game to introduce a new battle mode that went on to become the new standard in competitive.
Online also wasn't too remarkable in gen 4 either due to how glitchy it was.
I'm not trying to diminish Gen 4 though but you can't say
>Which Hoenn also had, I mean they literally added teleports in ORAS so you didn't have to backtrack
That doesn't mean that the region was particularly difficult to navigate anon, it's just GF acknowledging that there's no real need for backtracking also only one single teleport was mandatory.
>>26607189
I'm not the guy you're arguing with, but come on, man. Wind is also an aspect of weather. Get over your internet pride and accept that you're wrong in this scenario.
>>26607237
>implying Mega-Fug is canon
>>26607331
DE is one of the few examples of canon postgame.
>>26607269
>Sootopolis
Sootopolis is incredibly annoying to navigate tough, having to use surf just to go from the pokecen to the mart.
Hoenn also has a fuckton of routes that are nothing but trainers and unavoidable tall grass. I also think it has one of the most annoying Victory Roads.
>>26607420
>Sootopolis is incredibly annoying to navigate tough, having to use surf just to go from the pokecen to the mart.
How exactly is that annoying? In the unlikely event that you need to get something there it takes like five seconds to cross that portion of water.
>Hoenn also has a fuckton of routes that are nothing but trainers and unavoidable tall grass. I also think it has one of the most annoying Victory Roads.
Now you're just nitpicking parts that every pokemon game has.
>>26607269
>sleeping mechanic
?
>>26607495
Headbutt trees at night and you'll find sleeping pokemon occasionally.
How
>>26606466
>stripped down version of content from hoenn games like the BF, contests, secret bases
Battle Frontier got redeemed as of Platinum. Secret Bases were only downgraded in the sense that stackable things weren't there anymore, the ability to have live multiplayer in the Underground is something I considered a massive upgrade over gen3.
>Its also worth noting that gen 4 is the cause of changes made in later games for example the linearity of unova and kalos and hand holding happened
Don't blame gen4, blame people with bad taste and the beginning of the iPhone kid gamer generation. These were good things about gen4, and every single one of those cross-gen evolutions [not the babies though] were highly necessary, most of those Pokemon weren't even viable in their own generation.
>>26606542
To be fair, Zapdos has really strange anatomy and Moltres has these wierd skinny wings and plain-looking features compared with Pidgeot and Fearow. I don't think someone could argue that Articuno is god-tier though.
>>26607471
> In the unlikely event that you need to get something there it takes like five seconds to cross that portion of water
Having to wait for a shitty cutscene is annoying as hell, regardless of how useful the city is, this is can be easily fixed by adding some fucking bridges.
>Now you're just nitpicking parts that every pokemon game has.
Rute 119 and everything after are pure cancer as far as I am concerned.
I mean, I can handle some tall grass, since I can buy repels, but the amount of trainers I have to dodge and avoid is amazing. And after that you have to go surfing. The last stretch of Hoenn is a royal pain in the ass.
I can think of other routes like these (especially from Kanto which I also dislike) but not on the same amount as Hoenn.
>>26603313
Victini :^)
>>26603580
>Hating on the pixies, the clock dragon and manaphy.
Agree with the rest.
>>26607602
>Battle Frontier got redeemed as of Platinum.
By having less content than the previous version while removing the aspects that actually changed the battle and how it progressed?
Sorry anon, but you won't be able to change the fact that it was worse and all of the disappointment when it was revealed to not be the same.
> Secret Bases were only downgraded in the sense that stackable things weren't there anymore
And the fact that they were all just square rooms, had to abide by the rock theme rather than having several different ones, you can't save bases either and you can battle NPCs using your friend's team.
It was a large downgrade and the live multiplayer doesn't make up for the fact that several of these fan favourite features were removed for something more generic. Also the underground had input lag bad making it a terrible place for capture the flag anyway.
>blame people with bad taste and the beginning of the iPhone kid gamer generation.
You are aware that's always been the target audience of pokemon right? If Sinnoh went beyond what they could handle then the game and developers are at fault as they overestimated the target audience.
That and while other games gave you hints as to where you have to go Sinnoh was lacking in that department and you could very easily skip over what was there.
>most of those Pokemon weren't even viable in their own generation.
It's not viability that was the problemalthough most of the cross gen evos weren't exactly viable either making your post nullit's the fact that they were unappealing to the masses and garnered a lot of complaints from the fans especially the ones who's favourites were ruined. Which is why GF came up with the idea of temporary evolution so people don't have to give up their favourites for something that they hate.
>>26606537
>That disgusting fan art
Literally it portrays the desecration of Arceus' golden mandala, the symbol of its status as being omnipotent and omniscient. For such an art quality, you'd expect the artist to research the figure they were drawing, so as not to have their art be seen as a crude caricature.
>>26607657
Not him but
>but the amount of trainers I have to dodge and avoid is amazing
I don't understand this, I like battling trainers, that's why I play the main pokemon games.
>And after that you have to go surfing. The last stretch of Hoenn is a royal pain in the ass.
You have to understand, that not everyone hated the feeling of losing yourself and exploring a giant sea. Specially with all the diving.
The real pain in the ass was the pokemon distribution: tentacools and wingulls everywhere.
>>26608687
>I don't understand this, I like battling trainers, that's why I play the main pokemon games.
I think the mimic circle got him.
>>26606466
the backtracking in gen 3 was way worse than gen 4. if anything sinnoh was more linear than hoenn
>>26603580
you forgot Phione.
>>26610065
>the backtracking in gen 3 was way worse than gen 4
How to spot someone who hasn't played a Hoenn or Sinnoh game.
>>26610204
maybe you didn't notice it with the handholding in ORAS, but if you had played the original RSE it's pretty obvious
>>26603313
>Edgy giraffe and dickzilla
>Better than Reshiram and Zekrom
k
>>26603313
Gen 5 had some good ones but it's a decline. Gen 4 still had a shitty trio, Heatran, and
>Water/Dragon
>>26603422
I've always given most "busy" legendary designs the benefit of the doubt, as it kind of seems like they're meant to be that way. They're supposed to be godly, majestic, powerful, imposing, and/or otherworldly in appearance. It's hard to get that from some plain Jane Pokemon desu. The busyness differentiates them from the every day "normie" Pokes. I guess they're like RPG summons or something. I dunno.
