>"""""new generation"""""
suddenly I don't blame 6.5 fags. Even if they're reusing the models they could have at least changed the animations or made the colors less shit.
Eh i think there would have been less issues if they showed the legends fighting some new gen 7 pokes.
Still a game in development
>>26602607
Holy shit! I see it now. I'm disappointed.
ugh. i hate the perma-glide poses some mons like salamence & skarmory have. makes them unusable to me.
6.5fags were only pushing their meme because they're mad about their stupid lore threads leading to nothing
Unless the pokedex lineup in this game is amazing I doubt I'll bother with it. It doesn't offer much new, and rotomdex isn't a big seller.
They don't have that circle thing around them anymore
>>26602607
If you want better graphics and etc then give Game freak, creatures and Nintendo more money to make better games in the future.
>>26602714
Give it a postgame and difficulty levels at it'll be worth more than anything gen 6 shat out for me
The only problem I see is how the status bar got progressively less attractive imo.
I honestly don't see why people flip out over floating models and why that should be GF's priority when they have to make new areas and somewhat scaled people models. Who knows what big features they have and how many new Pokemon there are preventing them from changing the animations right now
>the only difference between 6 and 7 is the lack of a circle and possibly better performance
>Gen 8 will probably have even fewer differences if it sticks with the washed out colors
Fuck.
>>26602749
>>the only difference between 6 and 7 is the lack of a circle and possibly better performance
What is:
>trainers behind the pokemon
>bystanders in battles
Seriously gen 5 is using the excactly same sprites from gen 4 just animated.
You guys act like they won't add more pokemon
megas and probably this synch thing with more models. They have better things to do instead of wasting their time in changing old models.
>thinking this is gen 7
lel, they used the same Salamence in both marketing campaigns. They changed the overworld, wow, that still doesn't change the fact that we're using the same engine for everything else. Get ready for an even smaller region filled with 80% gen 1 mons and only a handful of new ones, probably even less than XY. But hey, at least we'll get more mega-esque form changes. That's what you people really wanted.
>>26602607
equivalent exchange - more money = better graphics and etc.
![[Bunny_Hat_Raw]Hurricaneger_11_(1022EBC8).mkv_snapshot_09.53_[2015.04.18_22.13.20].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OJ7v5qL.jpg "[Bunny_Hat_Raw]Hurricaneger_11_(1022EBC8).mkv_snapshot_09.53_[2015.04.18_22.13.20].jpg")
>platinum's HP bars
so good
Hey if reusing assets means we get a better game i'm all for it. Worked for majora's mask
>>26602803
Gen 6.5 fag spotted. Explain that gen 5 looks exactly like gen 4
>>26602607
I do not remember Spearow's gen 1 sprite being so fucking smug.
>>26602803
Call me retarded but SM's version of Salamence looks like it uses a darker shade of red.
I'm ok with this desu. my stupid assumption is part of the reason Gen VI was so disappointing was so much dev time went into making these new models. If that time doesn't need to be spent a second time, maybe that means more time for other stuff.
>>26602836
It is, they adjusted the colors and shading on the models.
A new generation has always been defined by new Pokemon, which Magearna was enough to fulfill. It's generation VII, get over it.
>>26602832
Except it didn't, you shitter. The models were composed of differed parts so that they had fluid movement in their animation. Gen 4 were just static sprites.
>>26602803
>OH NO A POKEMON LOOKS THE SAME IN 2 GENERATIONS THIS HAS NEVER, I REPEAT, NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE
>>26602841
It's becoming more and more clear that the whole thing was just a beta Gen
>>26602832
Are you blind?
>>26602803
Hey, just calm your tits for a sec and think of this:
What if every single battle had a specific background depending on precisely where you were in the overworld? In X and Y running into a pokemon in the grass in front of the daycare wouldn't show you in front of the daycare in battle. What if that changes here and the daycare can be seen off to the side, just like the battle on the home town's platform?
>>26602855
Not to mention some Gen III sprites like Skarmory passed over to Gen IV
>>26602862
No are YOU blind? They look the same.
Gen 5:
>same sprites from gen 4 just animated
>different backgrounds
>different HP bar
![q33nklx[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/KVEi7Pi.png "q33nklx[1].png")
>>26602855
u wot?
>>26602841
>maybe that means more time for other stuff
Oh you're cute.
>>26602836
huh
>>26602607
Former 6.5 fag here
My creed was that if the overworld was the same as XY/ORAS, it was 6.5
But from we have seen so far, it's even more different from Gen 6 than the Gen 5 overworld was from Gen 4
No one cares about battle screen
>>26602873
heck even some gen 2 sprites to gen 3
>>26602706
None of the "lore" threads ever lead to anything. Sorry to hear you're unable to have fun.
![wvqCM3Q[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/BWj2MdN.png "wvqCM3Q[1].png")
>>26602880
>>same sprites from gen 4 just animated
HAHA YEAH TOTALLY THE SAME
>>26602908
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/0/09/Spr_4d_445_m.png
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/19/Spr_5b_445_m.png
>>26602607
Who thought these HP bars were a good idea?
They're the ugliest of all generations so far
I literally do not care about the reuse of assets as long as they fix those shitty idle animations for 90% of the Pokemon.
Which they probably won't, so I expect to be mad over Salamence looking like shit yet again.
>>26602908
>posts backsprites
>>26602855
You can be a butthurt denialfag all you want, but the fact of the matter is that Gen 5's animated sprites were much different than Gen 4's 2-3 frame into "animations". On top of having to do this for every previous pokemon, they also added over 150 new mons into the mix. The Gen 6 to Gen 6.5 transition is a literal copy paste of everything aside from the overworld. Get over it.
>>26602929
Shit taste desu. They look good
>>26602855
>spotted the retard
Are people actually going to complain about this? We have 3D models fully animated, there is nothing they can improve without new hardware. You should be happy they're even putting effort into the HP bar and other graphics.
>>26602898
The shading is also different and the overall model looks polished
Still mad about the flying though
>>26602859
Can't wait for SM to come out, when it will turn out it has even more handholding and linear map design than the last two generations combined, if only for faggots like you to kill themselves once and for all. Rotom-D and QR codes were just the beginning.
>>26602929
I like them. They're going for a relaxed, tropical feel to complement the region.
I'm thinking that since both sides are washed blue (instead of something like blue vs. red), perhaps they change colour to red, yellow, etc. if you are burned or paralyzed.
>>26602953
Really neger?
That fluorescent green is awful, and so is the lack of border
>>26602987
What the fuck are you talking about?
How colorblind do you have to be to think healthbars have ever been blue? Blue versus Red??
>>26602951
Why do i see a color difference between the old Salamance and the new Salamance
>>26602990
Such is life of a forgotten shitmon
>complaining about reused assets in one gen.
Please that's nothing compared to the queen.
>>26603007
I'm talking about the "wash" effect behind the bars themselves
>>26602721
That worth it to me.
>>26603007
He's talking about the paint splats behind the HP bars. Though I agree they don't really look blue, more like cyan.
>>26602721
>>26603038
THIS. My god I thought we'd be stuck with those forever after they made it into gen 6. So glad things are looking more realistic there
>>26603027
That's just classic Crapcom though.
Monster Hunter still runs on the same graphics and uses the same SFXes it did in 2004.
>>26603043
How did i not notice those and hwat the hell are they for?
Guess wait and see
>>26602937
>p-please don't post the thing that ruins my argument
>>26602847
No shit. No one said this wasnt gen7, we all agree now
>>26603076
Idk, but they look ugly as hell and cover the view of the battle screen.
>>26603105
I think they're pretty distracting and break the flow of the game.
>>26603091
Gen5 doesnt have backsprites at all, they use the same sprite flipped and have a 3d camera move around it.
The "backsprite" for Charizard in Gen5 then is just the front sprite flipped over
>>26603118
Wat?
I already have a terrible, terrible feeling about Gen 7. Fucking hell, I didn't think it'd be this soon I'd lose all hope.
>>26603143
Triggered by OP huh?
>>26603118
Holy shit
>>26603118
Aaand the most retarded post of the day award goes to...
>>26603143
I dunno, it looks pretty great to me. Who cares that they didn't allocate more resources in arbitrarily redoing all the models.
>>26603150
No, I'm glad people are pointing it out.
>>26603105
>>26603114
>important battle information showing up for 1 second
>disruptive
why is it suddenly an issue that the opposing Pokemon's face gets covered for 1 second when nothing else is happening?
>>26603197
>important
>>26603143
Models being the same can only mean good things for the game you know, it's one less thing they have to focus on during development
>>26602714
We've literally had 2 trailers so far nigger
>>26603209
>abilities aren't important
okie
>>26603209
It's a turn-based RPG anyway, you don't really need to see the opponent pokemon's face at all times
>>26602803
>gen 1 and 2 look almost identical
>lol this is ok
>gen 4 and 5 look almost identical
>lol this is ok
>gen 6 and 7 look almost identical
>HAHA GEN 6.5 CONFIRMED BTFO GEN 7 KEKS
>>26603271
>gen 4 and 5 look almost identical
Why do people keep saying this? so many blind retards in this thread. And at least gen 2 changed the sprites (AND had different sprites between versions on top of that)
>>26603271
you sir are a retard.
>>26602607
I think the animations are good.
>>26603118
top kek pls be pretending
>>26603008
Because there is one.Please, Gamefreak, give me this one.
>But at least they didn't waste time remaking all the models!!!
Holy shit. I don't care if they use the same models, but let's not ve retarded here. They DON'T need to make the models all over again. That's the good thing about 3D models, they can just give them new animations and they'd look brand new.
But if they still haven't bothered with it, I wouldn't expect them to, even if the game footage is not final.
>>26603271
Are you stupid? Gen 2 added colour, animations and changed every sprite.
Gen 5 added animations for front and back sprites, full back sprites and a dynamic camera.
Gen 7 just removed the circle.
I'm not mad at the Gen 7 battles but the differences are definitely much smaller
No more circles, backgrounds more detailed, more proper lighting, it's possible there are more animations even if fliers use those same default ones but who knows.
Really, the issue is it's the point of diminishing returns.
>>26603419
Color palettes changed slightly confirmed.
>>26602607
>there are people who actually thought Gamefreak would throw away over 700 high quality 3D models
>there are people who actually thought they didn't make these models to last for a long while
WOWEEH
>>26602880
Kill yourself you blind faggot
>>26602607
6.5fagging has always been wrong.
6fagging still har merit and stands on solid ground.
>>26603419
Don't act like they didn't added more to the battles and not just that they removed the circles.
>>26602803
And /vp/ will eat that shit right up
>>26603451
Fuck off Richard u know it's the truth
>>26602951
>tweening
>animation
>>26602968
It's not more polished, as it's the same model as before, what changed was the light source (from top center to top left), not mention there is a difference in quality between both screenshots; one is obviously a jpg while the other seems to be a png of an HD video.
>>26603450
Plus, the huge lag in XY? That's because those models are WAY too hi-def for the 3ds, meaning the want to use them for a long, long time.
>>26602607
>WAAAAH why didn't GF throw away over 700 really high quality-high poly models!
>>26603118
>>26603118
thanks
>>26603008
It looks like they revamped the lighting engine. The model colors themselves are probably the same.
>>26603687
Why would you screencap that?
Do you really think they were being serious?
>>26603730
I...honestly dont even know. /vp/ has been particularly retarded lately and I can barely tell anymore. Nothing surprises me
>>26603052
>>26602721
HOLY FUCK THIS
Getting rid of those hideous circles that never matched is the second best thing they could've done to fixing gliding animations
That alone is a huge improvement no other gen has EVER done since they introduced it in gen3
And I like the cyan bar splash, I think it's fresh, also something new. The only thing people are complaining about is models. No other game before has had the background be the actual area, only colors that kinda resemble the area. Why would they change that? You literally chose the EXACT SAME FUCKING AREA DESIGN; you could've put a desert and a grassy area. You're just butthurt because you don't like the transition to 3d.
This is like complaining about ice cream and trash and newer gens suck while skipping over pokeball and pile of purple goop that is the epitome of "it just gets bigger"
>>26603008
Different shaders. The current models are decent enough to be reused for a couple of years.
>>26603072
Ebin.
>>26603450
>high quality
>>26604225
They are.
>>26604263
They aren't. Birds just keep gliding and the colors are hideous. Some Pokémon don't even have fainting animations, such as Swinub, for example.
>>26602832
No, it didn't.
>>26604287
>Birds just keep gliding
They don't.
>and the colors are hideous.
Better hideous that straight up wrong like the sprites.
>>26604287
>Birds just keep gliding
Animation related.
>the colors are hideous
Texture related.
>Some Pokémon don't even have fainting animations, such as Swinub, for example.
Almost all do, but it's so minimal it's barely noticeable. The only one who actually doesn't have a fainting animation, as far as I've seen, is Ferroseed.
>>26604357
Here's the (You) before he gives you one.
>>26604287
>colors are hideous
Stop this meme
>>26604401
Fucking washed out shit.
>>26604392
>cherrypicking
>>26604392
Not a model issue, you uneducated fucking nerd.
>>26604422
Paras and Parasect are part of that 5% where people are actually right about the washed out colors, the mushrooms were never that bright even in artwork. Another one is Starmie. A good number of everything else is cherrypicking or defending badly colored sprites.
The current models are already pushing the limits of 3DS, hence XY's framerate issues.
As you can see, the model on the right is smoother, more detailed, and has a higher polycount than the one on the left.
Hey do you guys remember the old Black and White Sprite test videos?
I was talking a walk down memory lane recently and I ran across them. Aipom's sprite here is a really cool but I can't shake the feeling that I've seen it before...
>>26602607
Both Gen 6 and Gen 7 are on the same system.
So were Gen 4 and Gen 5, but Gen 4 looked like shit. It had a lot more to improve on.
On other hand, Gen 6 already pushed the 3DS to it's limits.
>>26604480
huh. I knew my feeling had some merit. Gen 5 must just be Gen 4.5 then huh?
>>26603730
you could brush off literally half of the posts on this board as "not being serious" because of their apparent stupidity, but let's not kid ourselves
with this percent of underage, there's bound to be someone who is an actual cretin rather than just a troll
>>26604537
omg that's so cute.
>>26602620
>this much denial
>>26604537
The nose knows
>>26602714
Truthfully the Rotom dex is Digimon-levels of stupid.
I bet gen 8 Will introduce a pokemon translator to feature talking pokemon
>>26602796
We haven't seen trainers behind the pokemon outside of rival battles. It's probably exclusive only to that.
>>26604720
That's because we haven't seen our trainer battling against a random NPC
>>26602607
Was anyone really expecting the game to dramatically change in appearance? It's on the same shit hardware and we know the models were designed with long-term use in mind. You'd have to be pretty dumb to expect it to look different.
>>26602607
you do realize BW/B2W2 use the most of the same old sprites from gen 4? All the did was make them move, but they were the same.
>>26604645
I remember someone who said healing in Pokemon Centres was post game and was 100% genuine
I'm confused, how is this NOT 6.5?
If there are only like 70 new mon it will totally be Gen 6.5.
>>26604792
i said
> most
they changed the behind sprites because of the camera angle change, but MOST of the front sprites are reused.
>>26604825
so it's still FAR FAR more than SM is doing. gotcha.
>>26604510
Gen5 basically WAS Gen4.5 and people said as much back then. But at least it added a full set of Pokemon, which people are worried Gen7 will not.
>>26604862
>>26604792
This is honestly more lazy than just making new back sprites. Just flip the front sprite's silhouette and ""draw"" in the Pokemon from a behind POV instead of all new and interesting sprites that allow for closer detail even if it's cut off slightly.
If doesn't help that the piss poor resolution of the DS made the blown up back sprites look like puppeteered garbage.
>>26604537
nose snek
>people complain about the models being the same
>for the longest time pokemon were just sprites with 3 frames.
At least the overworld models are better. Game freak only takes baby steps.
>>26604896
>But at least it added a full set of Pokemon, which people are worried Gen7 will not.
I'm optimistic we'll get a full set this time. Now they don't have to spend resources on completely remodeling/animation 700+ Pokemon, just the new ones and perhaps a few touch-ups.
>>26603118
> Same sprite
> Same
> Sam
> Sa
> S
>
>
New pokemon
New attacka
New abilities
New everything
>not a new gen
Are you retarded?
>>26603118
>>26605009
> The "backsprite" for Charizard in Gen5 then is just the front sprite flipped over
> is just the front sprite flipped over
> just the front sprite flipped over
> just the front sprite
> just
> ju
> j
>
>
>>26605043
most of this board is, yes.
>>26605043
OR/AS had all of those with the exception of "new mons", in seemingly all 7fags' argument.
New mons still cause the same issue as new forms/megas/moves/abilities which make them basically the same; partial incompatibility with the older games in the generation.
However, as OR/AS did, they're easily banned from battles with X/Y. That's it for what you mentioned.
>>26605152
>Compatibility defines a generation
I want this neo-meme to end. New Pokemon always has been and always will be what defines a new generation.
>>26605152
>Just ban 'em :)
If you ban theat least 10new Pokemon then what's the fucking point of play with people who own XY or ORAS?
>>26605152
They could have done the same between IV and V by just banning the new shit, but they didn't. What makes you think this time is any different?
>>26602898
They need to make the colors more intense so they stand out more like pic related; I understand they're mimicking the official art, but this makes them look pretty dull and washed out.
>>26602607
They should have stopped at gen 4. Wew those battle scenes and sprites are perfect
>>26605397
MY EYES
>>26605397
If you put the 3D on with those colors, your eyes would probably start to hurt after a bit.
>>26605397
>that bottom picture
Wow, is it real nigga hours already? Guess I'd better SMASH THAT FUKKEN LIKE BUTTON!
>>26602607
I really don't give a shit
700+ Pokemon anon, they can't all be winners
I'm just glad that fucking circle is gone
>>26605397
Tone down that fucking contrast
>>26604730
They could make small tweaks in the shaders just to make them look a bit different. Even if it was just an adjust in saturation, it would be better than nothing.
>>26605397
>this is what /vp/ ACTUALLY WANTS
>>26602607
Why did they put the generic cup design behind Sun and Moon's bars
>>26605214
G1 can only battle with G1
G2 can only battle with G2
G3 can only battle with G3
G4 can only battle with G4
G5 can only battle with G5
G6 can only battle with G6
I don't get what's not to understand about that argument.
>>26605247
A larger global audience. There's something about people dropping S/M if they can't do battles with X/Y as well, but it has a good counter argument. Too bad fgts is gone because I had a nice argument with a guy about this a while ago.
You could however put it in the opposite perspective. If it's so similar to XY/ORAS, why not have them compatible? I mean, thinking logically with some evidence, S/M was planned before we even knew about X/Y.
>>26605275
I'd like to point out that they couldn't.
I know that Platinum or HG/SS did things like accuracy changes, even mid-gen, but that's actually not valid for your argument.
Sturdy had changes, Wish had changes, sleep had changes, things rooted deeply like Priorities had changes. That's the stuff that totally breaks compatibility, things that get introduced when a new gen is upon us. We haven't seen anything like that yet.
>>26605397
Simple ROM hacking could do this without making it look as bad as you did it. I could also remove the paint splotches. It's easy because it's the 6th gen engine, which I'm experienced with.
>>26605214
If Volcanion was only coded into ORAS and not XY, would that make ORAS gen 7 with Volcanion as the only new pokémon, and then SM as gen 8?
>>26605597
G2 introduced Pokemon that couldn't be used in G1
G3 introduced Pokemon that couldn't be used in G2
G4 introduced Pokemon that couldn't be used in G3
G5 introduced Pokemon that couldn't be used in G4
G6 introduced Pokemon that couldn't be used in G5
I don't get what's not to understand about that argument.
>>26605597
>There's something about people dropping S/M if they can't do battles with X/Y as well
Because incompatibility has stopped people from picking up newer games in the past, right?
>>26605640
Yep. Because a new generation is defined by new Pokemon. Counter question: if SM introduced 800+ entirely new Pokemon with a plethora of new moves, abilities, and forms, but was still compatible with XYORAS, would that still be considered Gen VI?
>Take XY models
>Slap some textures on them
>Done
>>26605583
unf
>>26605397
This is why /VP will never make a game
>>26605676
Considering Gen II had some compatibility with Gen I, Not necessarily
>>26605574
A E S T H E T I C S
>>26605397
Do you want to go blind?
>>26605695
Pokken trying to make Pokemon look a little realistic was a terrible idea.
It was pretty obvious that these would be the models going forward, considering that the XY models are such high quality (not saying they're good, that's subjective, but some of the bigger ones have ludicrous amounts of polygons) that it literally causes the 3DS to slow to a crawl. If you thought they would change, I am sorry.
It would be nice to see some new animations with it, we'll see.
>>26605747
I meant battle compatibility, a hypothetical situation where you could still battle using all of the same Pokemon and moves that are present in both games just as long as you ban all of the newer stuff.
>>26605597
>Sturdy had changes, Wish had changes, sleep had changes, things rooted deeply like Priorities had changes. That's the stuff that totally breaks compatibility, things that get introduced when a new gen is upon us. We haven't seen anything like that yet.
And yet, BW COULD have been compatible with DPPtHGSS if they included a sort of "gen IV" mode where it treated all of that stuff like it was before when battling with those games. If a ban list is so simple, then an emulation of the older battle system when under those circumstances should not out of the question. If you want to get REALLY technical, the only real incompatibility comes between II and II which used entirely different programming, everything since then has just been a build up and retweaking of the previous iteration, and a backwards compatibility has never been truly out of the question as long as you ban newer stuff and remember to include a retroactive compatibility mode (this is of course ignoring limitations such as compatibility between a GBA and a DS).
>>26605574
I saw someone wearing a shirt with these cup colors on them at a con recently.
>>26605574
Splatoon reference, ability pop-ups have them too.
werent trainers suppose to stand with you during battle? are they just hiding in the screen shot?
>>26605643
Yeah I see where you're coming from.
However, introduced Pokémon or new things are a consequence of a new generation, not the other way around. New things in general are also consequences of a new gen.
OR/AS introduced pretty much all the things to guarantee it as a new generation, but it isn't because it didn't change anything mechanical that would have prevented it from battling with X/Y and therefore it can battle with X/Y.
Take this into perspective with S/M and its released info, we can see that there's nothing hindering it from battling with XY/ORAS as of yet and in turn, could be ruled as a gen 6 game.
>>26605658
That's the counter argument I was referring to. We really don't know people's average reasonings, but I am pretty sure it's in Game Freak's financial interest to not cancel plans and suddenly start gen 7. OR/AS was a direct upgrade to X/Y. S/M could easily be the same, within the same generation just like OR/AS.
>>26605868
That will never be possible with any generation, unless tons and TONNES of work and coding goes into making gen 11 battle compatible with gen 10. It would require a fucklot of work because of actual battle mechanic changes. Also, a good amount of work would have to go into patching X/Y to OR/AS standards. A simple banlist like the one in OR/AS is nothing in comparison.
>>26605900
>if they included a sort of "gen IV" mode
See the text above; would require months of work.
>>26605640
Volcanion was in X/Y. A better argument is that gen 1 had ~190 mons because that it had around that many entries in the game data.
That as well as Hoenn being 387 mons because of the ??????? mon having a seperate entry.
>the only real incompatibility comes between 2 and 3
I see what you mean, but that's hardware incompatibility. Not really related, in the slightest.
>>26605945
That's probably only for rival battles
>>26605964
>Volcanion was in X/Y. A better argument is that gen 1 had ~190 mons because that it had around that many entries in the game data.
I choose that example, because event legendaries being restricted to late installments within a generation is something I can easily see happen. Which would make it a new gen by that standard.
>>26605964
Do you know what generation means? It implies new beings, not new or different mechanics. Nobody fucking cares about the sleep turn changes from 4 to 5, they care about the new Pokémon.
>>26604896
Well you may as well be back in gen 5 hype days saying that because gen 4 only had about 85 new Pokemon that WEREN'T cross-gen evolutions.
>>26605964
Nobody has ever defined a generation as battle mechanics. The mechanics have always been a consequence of the new games which have the new Pokemon.
>>26602951
>that Gen 5's animated sprites were much different than Gen 4's 2-3 frame into "animations".
Dude, they just chopped apart the front sprite.
>>26604392
You do realize that removes the flapping animation right?
>>26605397
While I think the sprites could use some deeper colors, that's just too much
>>26605397
Looked at it for 5 seconds and my eyes want to kill themselves.
>>26605397
Good lord, it's bad!that they're slightly washed out but going too far in the other direction is much worse.
>>26606020
New is new. If you hold to that new equals new gen, OR/AS is gen 7 because it's got new shit.
New forms, abilities and moves all go under the same umbrella with "entire new mons with seperate dex entries" in this generation.
It doesn't matter who defines what to be exactly what, the compatibility argument can't be turned over the way the games work. I'm sorry, anons.
>>26606079
True, but I don't see how that challenges my deduction.
A new generation always bears something new, that's going to be a fact all until Game Freak actually runs out of ideas and concepts. Even then, changes to previously existing things will most likely be made.
I'm sorry to bring this up again, but OR/AS really goes against everything that set up the notion that "if we get new things, it's a new generation". No one really talked about generation definitions before OR/AS was a thing.
Please try to see where I'm coming from, because I do understand your views, anons.
>>26602796
Not a single sprite from gen 5 is compley copied from gen 4.. Or any sprite from any gen to any other gen for that matter.
>>26606314
Quite a few from gen 4 > 5 are identical, Gliscor for example
At least they removed the circles.
>>26606314
>Not a single sprite from gen 5 is compley copied from gen 4
Most of Gen 5's sprites for old are taken straight from Gen 4, but with animation added.
Only a few old Pokemon like Lucario got completely new sprites.
Oh well. SMare a new gen regardless of opinions. 6.5 fags are just that, fags.
![She64Sd[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/IukuELK.png "She64Sd[1].png")
>>26606355
Show me the gen 4 Gliscor sprite that looks like this.
>>26606470
>in the middle of an animation
wew
>>26606314
Except for the gen 1 to 4 sprites. The majority were lifted from one of the gen 4 games, chopped apart and animated.
>>26606293
I'm trying to but unfortunately I cannot see eye-to-eye with you. I think a big problem with this is that the definition of a generation is ultimately a fan-made term, at least in the sense we've been using it, and it's the fans who draw the line where a generation is based on what Game Freak gives us. For some it will be based on the region, others it will be mechanics, and others still it will be the new Pokemon themselves, and there will be a multitude of other reasons people will make up. The reality right now is that the majority of people are referring to SM as being Gen VII, even Serebii, who originally had it listed as "Generation VII?", has removed that ? and stands firmly at the designation that SM = VII. Majority does in fact dictate what a generation is in this case, and right now it says it's VII, while a few hold-outs are claiming it's not based on their own self-prescribed criteria (of course, those calling it VII are using their own criteria to call it such). I think this conundrum illustrates the futility of the whole argument, as you need to change the entire way that people define a generation, and right now those who claim 6.5 are in the minority and have an uphill battle to fight. But who knows, maybe the speculation of battle compatibility (of which there is no evidence for) will end up being true, and those who base their argument on it will have some ground to work with. Meanwhile, those who define based on new Pokemon are already validated and have no more need to argue rather than just say "it fits my definition, so I call it VII". The best they can do beyond that is convert people to abiding by their definition.
![Spr_4p_472[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/SOVOtXX.png "Spr_4p_472[1].png")
>>26606470
>>26606355
No it isn't. And it's worth pointing out that the only similarity is between the front sprites and only in platinum at that.
>>26606529
>>26606550
Not the same as >>26606470
>>26606555
You don't have to meme for him to be wrong. They changed the palette and changed some of the spriting on the claw and tail.
>>26602855
For good measure.
>>26604510
>>26603025
at least linoone is not THAT forgettable
>>26602990
This one isn't even trying.
>>26606550
>>26606673
>>26606710
The point being, that as far as I know, this is true for every single sprite in every single generation. They at least do something, even in these most gregarious cases. For them to do absolutely jack to the models between two generations is a new level of lazy, for one of the most lazily developed franchises.
>>26605397
>>26602898
here's what I would do. Nothing drastic, just a small adjustment to contrast, brightness and the color curve
>>26606502
>and right now those who claim 6.5 are in the minority and have an uphill battle to fight.
They've already lost it, because they were memes all along.
I'm a 6fag, not the other. There's a difference, yes.
Else, yeah I completely understand. You're pretty level headed, honestly. I've seen a lot of arguments as I'm one of the earliest people arguing gen 6 S/M.
>maybe the speculation of battle compatibility (of which there is no evidence for) will end up being true
True, there is no evidence for that it will not touch the standard set with X/Y, but there's nothing that goes against it either. That's why I'm still arguing about this.
I know absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence, but it's enough reason to be skeptical as it is a fact that S/M were planned from the start.
Call it a stretch all you want, but pentagon indexes and Perfect Zygarde's design literally predicting S/M says and heavily implies that they were.
I think I'll quit for today, nice talking with you guys. Stay skeptic.
>>26606784
>.gif.gif.gif.gif
Now this is getting ridiculous.gif
>>26606821
Looks better, but as I said, I could easily fix things with a ROM hack. No need to worry by making fan renditions.
>>26606995
Don't you fucking mock how I name files.
>>26605397
(You)
>>26606784
There's nothing they CAN do to the models, the current ones are already so high-poly that the 3DS can barely handle them.
The system is already been pushed to its limit.
>>26606821
That looks so much more vibrant! Just look at Solgaleo's main for fucks sake! The colors would match the energy and vibe of the Alola region if they hadn't kept the washed out desaturated aesthetic!! Why GF why?!?!
>>26607245
Make them lower poly, correct errors, change poses and animations, change textures, etc.
>>26606821
This is an actual improvement. Good job.
People don't seriously believe this is Gen 6.5, do they?
>>26608682
I do :3
I wouldn't mind if Salamence flapped its fucking wings.
The only ones I have a problem with are the winged Pokemon who just hover instead of flapping their wings.
>>26608682
Some people do because they're memeing.
>>26608711
Believe in gen 6 S/M rather, delusional meme.
>>26603118
Are you high?
>>26602607
What would the point in that be? I would rather they keep the old models and animations and focus on creating a better story and better overall experience than waste time on new animations.
>>26603118
![masahiro-sakurai-01-04-16-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UqgeCqf.jpg "masahiro-sakurai-01-04-16-1[1].jpg")
>>26602607
Have you ever made a game?
sun and moon are gen 6 tbqhwy
